Tech Bros Killed Critical Thinking

[@PoojaDutt]

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[@AaronMal-lq5om]

7:24 on the contrary Pooja, many of us did see it coming, but we were ostracized all over the software subreddits and forums for stating the obvious result of an influx into a single field. Anyone who even mentioned the word "saturation" during the golden era of tech (2017-2022) was silenced and downvoted to infinity and beyond. This goes to show you that despite CS majors thinking highly of their intelligence, thinking themselves to be the smartest among stem majors, and superior to non-stem majors. Despite coming from prestigious colleges, and having high 3.8, 3.9 GPAs... they still can't reason beyond their own biases and group think. This whole downfall of SWE is a lesson for those that aren't as intelligent as they think they are. Just because you have good grades, and you study CS and you go to a prestigious college, does not mean you are smart. Sorry to burst another tech bubble

[@edwardmitchell6581]

"You don't need a CS degree! Just ask me, a humble math, physics, econ triple major from Harvard. All I had to do was sit in a few Harvard CS classes over my last semester and my 165 IQ ate that stuff up."

[@ali-om4uv]

Most physicist I met in the industry were top notch. Many large it consultant hier them preferentially

[@edwardmitchell6581]

@@ali-om4uv They do it out of passion for the math and knowledge.

[@defcodeOne]

People with Maths or Science degrees can easily migrate to the IT field. But where a degree comes in is if you are looking to hire people from outside the country. My old company were looking to hire a senior programmer. They found someone from South Africa or something who had 10 years experience in the industry who was highly skilled and the best candidate who we hired, but because his primary and graduate degrees were in science, the highly clueless and unenlightened government rejected this visa application. Apart from computer science graduates, people from the maths and science fields are exactly what's needed.

[@Waocats]

One thing is -- like you mentioned -- the OGs were doing it because they had a genuine passion for tech; meanwhile, during the bubble, people were pushed into tech whether they were a good fit or not. With a lot of people riding the wave on the (broken) promise that they will have excellent job security and ridiculously high salary, you have a bunch of people in the job market that just want a job -- no passion for tech at all; it's simply a means to an end. I was actually just talking to a friend about this earlier today. I think this is one of the reasons for the death of critical thinking in tech as well: when you have people flocking to tech whose primary motivation is just money/clout, rather than a genuine drive to learn and build cool things, it stifles the spirit that was the foundation for the contemporary tech industry and what it once embodied and thrived upon. It feels like many of the people who are getting into tech nowadays are just focused only on the immediate tasks required for their job (or to get a job), with very little desire to deepen their knowledge and understand just how it all works, or applying that knowledge to build cool things, solve [actual] problems, and push the boundaries of what’s possible. Speaking of which, it certainly doesn't help that with increasing interview requirements to weed out the growing number of candidates, people have now set their sights on solely grinding LeetCode problems to get into FAANG (now MANGA) and beating the interviews with rote memorization (to be clear, that's not to say dedicating time to learning DSA is the big bad -- it's the motivation and culture behind it that is). And I feel the result we are going to see very soon is an increasingly stagnant and uninspired tech landscape, where the passion to learn and create that once paved the way and made tech so fascinating has been completely diluted by those flocking in droves to attain the glamorous career that was promised to them by those 'tech bros.' I think it will be /especially/ apparent not too long from now, once all of the older folks have moved along. Working in tech myself, I already see firsthand the sharp decline in interest for my generation compared to those who had already decided to pursue it prior to the bubble. It's saddening to see none of my peers have the same childlike fascination that got me into tech, and it certainly is alienating not being able to relate to them in the same way I can to my older coworkers. None of them have hobby projects or are enthusiastic to try/learn cool new tech (unless they could leverage it to get paid more, of course), and it's clear they really want nothing to do with it outside of the 9-5. It is hard to blame them for choosing tech for those reasons, but at the same time, it sucks man :') Thanks for sharing Pooja.

[@xybersurfer]

well said. but to be fair, unpassionate people exist among the OGs too, although probably less. there should indeed be more people pushing the boundaries. i think that stagnating tech is also part of the industry, not just recently. a lot of times we should know better than the available crappy tools out there

[@jacobyoung2045]

TL;DR

[@Tenebris8444]

sounds like most cultures, where the initial basis going onwards end up being diluted.

[@BShivanshu]

Cannot disagree with a single word. Heartbreaking to see the industry I wanted to work in so I can actually solve problems and build cool stuff myself or with a team has faded away. No more do you hear what people are working on, or a compute problem they're trying to solve, or something new they learned or what they wanna do with some piece of technology. Conversations are more towards how someone deceived management into getting less work or doing only a fraction of the work but still getting complete praise and admiration from peers in the industry. Somewhere along the lines this infected the system as the ones that truly cared weren't reaping the benefits gained by the tech bros. Hard to see the industry taking a pivot any time soon with the new race to complete replacement and the influx of "engineers" in the industry..

[@adityavinchhi9339]

AI has certainly reduced some workload for senior developers, but i think it's not yet advanced enough to fully replace junior developers. AI companies are creating hype about replacing human roles to attract investor funding. According to me, many of the layoffs are due to over-hiring during the COVID period, not just AI advancements.

[@PoojaDutt]

Thanks for sharing your input! Good point

[@_thisconnected_]

Google's own AI offerings hasn't made my digital marketing job any easier and they are a monopoly in some fields of my domain. It's all a grift for the moment. It was big data a while back, it'll be something new later

[@greglane501]

I get what you're saying, but we've seen how fast it's progressed in such a short amount of time. I'm not really a dev, but I can tell that in 10-15 years, they will more than likely be capable of building fully functional web-apps with a few prompts. You would probably need a senior to iron out the kinks and for Q/A purposes.

[@arrow2380]

You're contradicting yourself. You just said RIGHT NOW AI is not capable enough to replace junior developers. But then saying this is overhyped. No it's not imo. You're thinking about past and present but I'm thinking about the future. 5 years from now I think we'll get a free or a paid (cheap tho) ai tools that can write advanced code with 99.99% accuracy and also can check for errors multiple times by itself. Nvidia is working on it super hard

[@ThegreatestVN]

Yet.

[@ky8designs]

You summed it up perfectly, Pooja! I spent four years earning a computer science degree, but struggled to find a job while I saw others landing positions after just three to six months in bootcamps. But, as you mentioned, companies are starting to favor traditional backgrounds again, and I was able to get a job because of my degree.

[@theroninpianist4443]

The worst interview experiences I have had are when interviewed by a tech bro, they go straight to the Leetcode BS and don't ask anything about the actual job position.

[@DatanerdT]

Facts

[@gandalfthegrey2777]

that's a very old hiring trend, it's not a tech bro thing, most boomers will do the same

[@kellymoses8566]

I read a study on AI coding that found it can't keep the code generated consistent across a large code base and this is a critical aspect of developing large programs.

[@atharvabhat964]

Surprised you didn't mention the long period of low interest rates, which was exacerbated during covid to stimulate the economy -- this phenomenon that fueled crazy hiring during the pandemic as well -- not just marketing from influencers

[@SimGunther]

It's okay. Almost everyone is ignorant of such irresponsible borrowing conditions. It'll make the inevitable rug pull more emotionally and economically damaging.

[@gurupartapkhalsa6565]

As someone who started in the 90s, creating my own projects without pay at home as my art and passion, it felt strange seeing hundreds of thousands of new people joining the industry. After the pandemic, the bubble basically popped. The people who don't care about the art and only want money are having a hard time, but sorry to tell you I actually got a gigantic raise and much higher responsibility. No matter what happens with AI, it will always benefit me, and the current state of AI as a professional autocomplete is excellent if you don't depend on it for knowledge but instead treat it skeptically. If you knew me or we had any future human interaction you might think this is bragging, but I really just want you (the reader) to know this information.

[@jamessullenriot]

I used critical thinking to tell me this video was incredibly generic and vapid. It actually sounds like a general chat gpt script with random filler b roll. This video has been done thousands of times in the past few years. I imagine your next video will be something like "Top skills to get ahead in 2025" 😂

[@austinmusiku778]

Right on the money. I'm actually disappointed I didn't apply mine until it got to midway. My prediction for her next video is "Are tech jobs coming back"😂

[@EvanMildenberger]

I remember my senior dev friend saying that if you don't code for fun/free (at least occasionally), you probably won't do well in the field. I'm surprised how many people are professional developers who still no little about CS/hardware/math/logic. It's not even that that knowledge is required to solve problems adequately, but an interest in such things is usually correlated to the type of personality that spends their time solving technical problems logically. I kind of hope that the market stops being saturated with poser frame-workers because it's frustrating to me to be on a team that aren't authentic nerds when that used to be the one community I would fit in.

[@likhithachopparapu]

The way you produce content showing back and forth news headlines is awesome

[@v-7815]

It's not just Ai but also outsourcing to developers from other countries. Why pay a local 100k when I can just hire some dude on the other side of the world to do it for 40k

[@womaninwood9177]

Exactly.

[@IndellableHatesHandles]

I'm so very disillusioned with the tech industry right now. It takes so much investment to get into that even though I've programmed since I was 12, I'm still thousands of dollars away from being able to reliably get a job

[@thecollector6746]

Basically these influencers lied to you all. The bottom line here is that Software Engineering is just that, a discipline of ENGINEERING. Your daily Medium Post and or your dodgy 6 month boot camp isn't and never will be the equivalent of someone who holds a bachelors/masters in CS and Software Engineering. Also....this is WORK. You will not be playing ping pong. You will not be waking up at noon. You will be many times working 50-60 hour weeks on projects you don't particularly care about.

[@michaeloconnell145]

Imo market incentives in the stay at home era led to over-hiring and expansion. Then people started using tech products less once restrictions were lifted. This optimism lead to riskier projects getting huge budget increases. Then the higher interest rates and recessionary fears lead to role-eliminations. There is a new focus on efficiency and downsizing for stable products with the growth budget only reserved for more surefire bets. I assume a lot of shuffling this year especially with internal transfers, and a bias for hiring safe candidates. In the beginning of COVID (before the hiring sprees) the market was blocked for me as a new grad as my post-grad offer was rescinded. What worked for me was working for my University until I gained enough experience and hiring piked up to work at smaller companies for a bit before getting the role which most aligned with my career goals in big tech.

[@Cheng-ChuanPeng]

I think we could replace the word 'university' with 'bootcamp' instead. It’s unfortunate that, even though people may know the theory, companies often won't hire juniors without practical experience.

[@PRichard70]

I didn't know that MKBHD had been at it for so long.

[@ms.newton2534]

Bootcamp is great for programming but engineering requires hands on credible experience, strong literacy skills and well rounded education- there’s no way around it.

[@MahmoodHasand3]

Capitalism has a lot to do with this , it highlights the downside of it !

[@AaronBlox-h2t]

You are 100% correct.

[@NayraIsCute]

WHY DOES THE JOB MARKET BECOME COOKED WHEN ITS MY TIME TO BECOME AN ADULT:(

[@ms.newton2534]

@Nayralscute That’s how it was for me but trust me, there will be more opportunities. You will find your niche and it will pay you handsomely. You’ll do fine.

[@WestTechLol]

Does it? The problem is that FAANG over hired for years to prevent high IQ people from competing against them. It's the tech honey trap. Then FAANG stopped innovating entirely and seem to have shifted to relying on regulations (like GDPR) to prevent startups from eating their lunch. They're now dumping their staff because they never had enough work for them anyway.

[@plxylist5035]

offshoring is a much larger problem than AI imo

[@Mandelasmind]

Yeah, that's the problem with having a service-based economy. I personally think we should invest in manufacturing domestically again.

[@answerman9933]

@@Mandelasmind You need to clarify "service-based". Most services require an actual human to be on-site to do the job. The problem is not services. Programming/software development more often than not does not require the physical presence of the programmer on-site. Now, people repairing computers or maintaining server racks, they need to be on-site in most cases. So it is not a service-based problem so much as it is a software-based problem.

[@Mandelasmind]

@@answerman9933 repairing and maintaining is a service bud. Also it’s a problem in itself due to planned obsolescence. A manufacturing based economy is one where we turn raw materials into products than can be sold domestically or internationally. Most manufacturing done here currently isn’t even true manufacturing, it’s assembly.

[@defcodeOne]

In a gold rush, the people who make the most money often tend to be the ones who sell the shovels and tools needed to chase the dream.

[@chwinqel]

Is that a sailboat race in that painting over your couch ?

[@T1Oracle]

These companies over hire to drive up stock, create this image of being the best place for engineers to work, not only to lure the best talent, but also to boost the stock. Then they lay people off whenever the revenue is down also to drive up the stock. Now AI is the buzzword and AI drives up stock prices. So now they don't need to overhire anymore, they can just keep the essential workers and brag about their AI to drive up stock prices. Unfortunately, actually using AI in places where people are needed has an unsustainable cost. While the quality of their products have a low impact on their stock values eventually there is an impact.

[@sinxayush]

Wow, loved this insight!

[@KustomTweaks]

On point! Its sad that being highly qualified working grad and getting paid as a blue collar job!

[@thephoenix215-po2it]

Just wait until the rates go down and 6 months this job market will get better.

[@carloslfu]

I love the video! I think you are giving too much credit to AI for the layoffs. The tipping point was not AI, IMO, it was the bubble burst due to market conditions (interest rates, bad economy, etc.)

[@TheDigitalOne]

Yup, the problem is too many qualified coders, the solution is the educational social media that exercises the coding skills that one has learned thought the years, well if used correctly. A further problem is not enough graduates in the field of computer chip inventors, computer inventors, right? Such as electrical engineers and such and such which go hand in hand with computer coding. Interesting discussion to a moden day digital problem thay requires further discussion of the subject matter!😺🥰✨💎

[@thisguymartin]

Funny enough. I would classify you as a tech bro and part of the issue as well.

[@marosmierka1904]

i will get slightly phylosophical if you like the idea of coding, try it if you like it keep doing it if your motivation is process itself and you are consistent you eventually might land a job disregard the education - in general if process itself is your drive youll get further compared to someone who sees it as tool to get rich or something at least thats the attitude i have while learning / coding games since like february (C# + Unity) and if i wont ... well at least i have hobby that fulfills me and gives me similar vibes to playing tycoon games i would othervise at least its hobby that might bring some buck unlike....... most of hobbies

[@weeub]

every day i wish i was born like 4 or 5 years earlier 😭 ofc i get into comp sci and software engineering when the market is legit cooked

[@mind_of_a_darkhorse]

Computers really started to take off with Apple and then Windows in 95. Now just about everyone has one. What I find funny is the fact that some systems still use Fortran and Cobol! Maybe a niche like that would be more advantageous.

[@thesteeldargon]

Don't think you really went over why there is a lack of critical thinking in tech. This is more of an assumption why the tech downturn happened and has little to do with critical thinking, other then people's lack of introspection of their own job market

[@jameschambers9969]

90% of programming is errors and pain 10% of programming is feeling like a god

[@laujimmy9282]

Well said.

[@jakeleone8944]

About every 4 years you have to replatform yourself in computer science. This is why, a 4-year degree doesn't automatically qualify you for a tech job. Further, companies don't train anymore. Back in the 90's, they would train fresh grads and really anyone who had an aptitude for programming. Now, they expect you to be ready made, really self-taught even after college. Also, many jobs can be outsourced, and this kills a lot of starting job opportunities. This might change with Tariffs, and Tariffs are a by-product of an expensive U.S. lifestyle and a Fed that protects the value of the dollar. Our currency can never equalize compared to that of other countries, because of the actions of the Federal Reserve, which is literally a huge market manipulation.

[@rubyciide5542]

Bro in india i get 20k inr a month i do belong to some startup that the us or whatever outsource i have to work 12 hours on average a day x 6 days a week . remember this is just the average

[@jakeleone8944]

@@rubyciide5542 I have also worked long hours. For example a 72 straight hour shift to get some market critical software out. Had many months were 7 days a week 10 hours a day were required. All tech is that way. The problem isn't with the engineers in India or the U.S. Engineers, we just work hard. Did I meantion working to do demos? Long hours there as well, Americans work just as hard as people in India. The problem is that the U.S. dollar never equalizes between the U.S. and India or China. The U.S. protects its currency, many commodities are traded in dollars because of that. The U.S. also allows foreign land ownership, which is iffy in India, and not allowed in China. That's why the U.S. must tariff all imports, including software development and services. Right now, a person in the U.S. making minimum wage pays more in taxes than you will make in an entire year. The U.S. needs home grown engineers, if we outsource everything to India, China is going to down our sattelites and cut the undersea cables, then walk all over Taiwan. Just the facts, and the future consequences. India Tariffs many of our goods, in the hope of developing domestic sources. We have to do the same, but more aggressively for a while, just to get the economies to equalize. That's what is going to happen.

[@jakeleone8944]

@@rubyciide5542 Another thing to keep in mind, companies produce goods overseas but they sell them in the United States for just a fraction under their U.S. counterparts. This means that by working for 1/10 (in your case 1/100) of what an American makes you just giving all that profit to the corporations. That's another reason why Tariffs can work. We see it all over the place in the United States, the only affect is to drive the remaining American producers out of business, still the price remains only a fraction under what the domestic supplier was charging. By putting in Tariffs, for everything, including software services, we equalize the value of the American workers (in terms of profit earned). The result is only a modest increase in prices, but a massive reduction in U.S. welfare, more savings, and without any real increase in commodity prices, commodities most of which the U.S. has in abundance. If instead, other countries would allow direct foreign land and business ownership, protect their currencies from inflation. The result would be far better you Bro. As that 20k inr, would quickly equal the salary of European engineers (around 40-60$k per year). You would be far better off. But instead, your government chooses to manipulate the market for political reasons, not economic ones. And the result is massive lowering of your countries currency and higher commodity costs to you, personally. But hey I don't care, stay poor. The U.S. should Tariff, but only as is necessary to protect against catastrophic failure, which will occur when China starts smashing sattelites and cutting undersea cables. Which is the reason why we must Tariff now, to prevent the price shock we saw during the Pandemic.

[@answerman9933]

I like that she does not bother to record with a new screen protector on her smartphone.

[@PoojaDutt]

lol was hoping no one would notice 😂

[@deltapi8859]

"Die hard programming geeks learning this from early age" yeah and now I can't compete with all the fancy degree people who need 5 years to get into the job, but earn 5x what I make. Not a problem, I don't hate. Since I'm a die hard geek this will not change my attitude towards my passion. Also the stereotype of "4hrs a week" is just not true. There might be this one week in a year you will have that (maybe more, don't nail me on this), but eventually there comes the overtime. I don't know anyone working in IT who actually does 40hrs/week. While sometimes they don't work a whole week. If you average it out then yeah, you might have slightly less than the normal worker, but also if you are in prestigious companies to have to say yes to everything. And you don't have a less stressful life.

[@TheVoiceofTheProphetElizer]

I was under the impression that the major companies over-hired during/around COVID and for positions not necessarily directly involved in coding for software. Those companies then realized they had a glut of people in positions of dubious value making a lot of money and then "corrected" for that. While I don't want to discount the impact of large language models on the more routine or low level stuff, I do wonder if it was the primary driver of layoffs. Also 1:29 - Come on guy! Computers were very much a thing in the 1990s and 2000s, you saw more and more of them everywhere each year during those two decades - it wasn't like they were UNIVAC steam machines with levers to do simple addition that only the 5 richest kings of Europe could afford.

[@Synkotic90]

The balance patch of 2020 was not realistic and broke the meta game. It was an unsustainable patch, it made the SWE build absolutely broken and it significantly reduced the level of skill required in order to execute it, reducing the quality of players using that build. A lot of players have been surprised by the newly released balance patches released by the market to fix the issue regarding skill disparity. Players who expected to abuse the meta they were presented with in 2020 have experienced a stark reality check where those builds are no longer viable to anywhere near the same extent, alternatives have to be found. Add insult to injury, a lot of meta abusers do not have the fundamental skills in order to thrive in the current patch, so players who came before or focused on fundamentals even when the meta was broken are thriving whilst meta abusers are not. They expected it to be easier than it actually is lol. I graduated in 2018 and there were still jobs (there are more now outside of FAANG but less at FAANG) but it was nothing like when 2020 hit. The field completely changed.

[@BShivanshu]

I suppose execs and people caught this behaviour with developers causing the hyper-motivation towards the AI era aimed towards replacement

[@JulsGeekPI]

If we the Tech bros dies, the sound rational and crítical thinkings dies with us

[@pettymanny6487]

What am I doing as a programmer now? Grinding 9 to 5

[@Marty_YouTuber]

I would rather work for a defense company like Northrop Grumman or Lockheed Martin. I wouldn't want to work for Google. But in real life, I want a certification so I can make more money.

[@zeppelin0110]

This is such a biased video. "Techgals" are the ones that made the most infamous and widely circulated "a day in the life" videos. Not guys.

[@athens31415]

WTF are you talking about? Sounds like you're not even in Tech.

[@jeong-ilkajokaya3849]

Woman will never take accountability, they will find a way to blame something or someone else for their actions.

[@Starchild2077]

​@@athens31415 let him cook fam

[@austinmusiku778]

@@zeppelin0110 what's funny is that she was also making DITL videos and "how to learn tech fast and get a job" videos. And the fact that she highlighted other creators in bad light for doing the same is so disingenuous and outright shady.

[@PoojaDutt]

I literally talked about how I did it too 😜 watch the whole video

[@LeetStack]

"Buy my courses to get this awesome career" Well if it's so awesome why aren't you doing it. As a BootCamp grad who later went on to get a degree, there really isn't as much competition as these videos would lead you to believe. Reason one more than 1/2 of my bootcamp cohort quit before we were halfway through the JavaScript section and my instructor said in his 10 years of teaching that's on the better end, reason two when I went to get my software development degree each semester I would hear peers complaining about how hard classes were to later only quit, in advance and regular java there were only 7 people left at the end of the semester, reason three if you look at the stats of online repos not even accounting for duplicate and inactive accounts it still amounts to less than 1/2 a percent of human globally, and four there are way too many disciplines, if you are a web dev (which most colleges and bootcamps teach) you may have more competion, but for litterally anything else like game, mobile, IoTs, transmissions, stoplights,elevators, cars, robotics you are golden.

[@shak750]

Im here for the tech but lowkey got a crush on Pooja 🤣

[@Albertux]

You missing the interest rates and AI impact

[@integratedinfinity848]

In conclusion, Work more harder with consistency

[@dream-valk]

I love what you're doing, your content and so on. I wanna become a software engineer as you and I am working for that. I am still young(14) but I'll keep learning again and again. I hope that God show me the way to guide myself. Smack the like button if you wanna give me some support.

[@szilagyimiklos4757]

There aren't as many job postings not because of AI, but because of higher interest rates. The tech sector is very much interest rate sensitive. This notion that AI is taking even entry level jobs is ridicolous

[@prashanthb6521]

This is the result of helicopter money, not techbros.

[@yeshchandiramani4893]

Prooj, this is a really compelling video! The quality is amazing, and the story you have told is very compelling. I think your argument stands, but kind of overlooks the elephant in the room (or the world). With the rise of interest rates, it was unrealistic for companies to continuously hire developers. There was now a cost to spending that much money, and so the standards for getting a developer job rose significantly.

[@arturwieczorek8222]

The layoffs had nothing to do with AI, it's just a dumb explanation for the public. It had everything to do with companies overhiring unnecessary people to show growth to the investors. Now the bubble popped and everyone's surprised.

[@pipeliner8969]

What a surprise, this was not sustainable xD

[@Blazerelf]

probably those the day in the life video were part of the reason they wanted people back at the office; just made it look like lazy people

[@davyshah1074]

Damn, felt like watching a CNN news report

[@KuopassaTv]

Tech bro === techgal

[@paulmaxwell-walters8861]

This is clearly a US or even Silicon Valley/Seattle/Richmond phenomenon, focused around a handful of MegaFAANG-Unicorn type companies. I work in Sydney, Australia and know many people in the UK - I don't know of anyone who had a lavish $200k+ USD salary in their early or even mid-career, or a job they could start at midday, or a swanky office with free massages. To the rest of the world tech is just another middle-class career.

[@Abandoned2377]

Hate how men are the scapegoat. Tech influencers would've been a better term.

[@PoojaDutt]

@@Abandoned2377 bros encompass all (tech girls isn’t mainstream, but they are included in the term) sorry that it sounds misleading!

[@Ankit-vq9bh]

butterfly effect

[@okaytree7711]

Interesting video...though you kinda look like the girl from Never Have I Ever. I thikn that is more important right now. Please explain thank you.

[@LaitoChen]

LMAO - what is this title. I watched 9min of generic Tech history and you never addressed the critical thinking part? How did they "kill critical thinking?" Sounds like market saturation hit yall with a sledge hammer. This was a 3min video at best....🙄

[@sanjayraju8828]

I kept waiting for the bright side that never came. 😥

[@carloszuluaga2260]

Of all the possible causes for the reduction of tech jobs, AI is the least relevant. Next time you can do a little more research

[@meetjaz]

you are young, but this is cyclical in tech industry.

[@dekev7503]

When the barrier to entry is too low, what do you expect 🤷🏼‍♂️. High demand for talent in certain high paying fields in Medicine and REAL Engineering like Electrical, Chemical, etc ( anything but software “Engineering”) have always been are still in high demand very high demand.

[@blackhole4813]

You have no idea how complex software can be it can be much more complicated than following some recipes in chem eng and electrical, where you just follow existing blueprints or troubleshoot problems, we literally simulate the systems

[@dekev7503]

@ If you can be a software engineer self taught or with bootcamps and certifications, without advanced level math and science knowledge, then you practically learned a trade. I’m an Electrical engineer ( ASIC/FPGA Design) and I’ve worked as a software engineer (DSP/Machine Learning Algorithmen implementation on FPGAs for Avionic Systems). I’ve also dabbled with Firmware here and there. The software/coding parts of my tasks are always the easiest parts of the tasks . Yes, there are a few actual software engineering concepts that might be worthy of being regarded as engineering skills, like algorithm design, complex machine learning, Operating Systems design, etc( which I took as electives in college) but those concepts are hardly applied by most programmers, web designers, etc. why do you think most of you are easily replaced by LLMs, which quite frankly are just autocorrect on steroids, incapable of reasoning 🤷🏼‍♂️.

[@khanshahbaz05]

Hiiiiiii

[@darkcoder5799]

Do u have OF? ❤

[@rohanb3402]

wtf wierdo

[@BROADSTEPS-on8vq]

Bro is down bad