the Hoarder situation is crazy

[@pred4507]

Sending a cease and desist letter to a open source project that is 1000x larger than yours. Yea... Im sure the person behind Hoardr is really lovely.

[@aijokker]

Now imagine you create an app, you put time and money into it and then someone creates and open source almost identical app with almost identical name, how would you feel 😂

[@rexsceleratorum1632]

@@aijokker The names are not remotely similar or easy to mistake beyond the pronunciation. It's also a rather descriptive name for link hoarding and hordr didn't have a huge user base that the bigger open source project tried to steal by imitation, so I don't think this will stand up in court

[@FineWine-v4.0]

​@aijokker pretty good since I'll be able to use their assets Also, Proprietary apps are always low-effort than OpenSource ones You really thought you were onto something there huh😂

[@z_0968]

@@aijokker This coming from the guy stealing other people's content to generate AI slop shorts is rich. Plus that's not what's happening, you could've read the Reddit post yourself, but I can see doing things by yourself is hard for you, thus I help. The company doing the take down is called "Daydia Inc.", can't be a great software company when they forgot to change the Hordr website template footer from "Untitled. All rights reserved." to their own company name... Plus in their company website about us section they miss spelled their own company name. Plus their isn't a LinkedIn page for their company which wouldn't be a red flag, if their "CEO" wasn't on LinkedIn has the CEO of a different company, or their CTO has a full stack developer for Walmart Tech.

[@klipk7296]

@@rexsceleratorum1632 I agree that it probably won't stand up in court, but are we really going to sit here and act like "The names are not remotely similar or easy to mistake beyond the pronunciation"?

[@YouTubeMusicPortal]

I think Hodor from Game of Thrones has a slam dunk case against Hordr.

[@jay-cm]

the title situation is crazy

[@mohamedmagdy-dz1pm]

The X situation is Y.

[@vaisakh_km]

X= linux desktop y= improving

[@louisstanwu]

"Maybe we should get Louis Rossman involved in reporting on the situation." 100% agreed.

[@Andrei-ng2yz]

Maybe we should get Louis Rossman involved in reporting on the situation.

[@anon_y_mousse]

If they really sent a DMCA notice then that's fraudulent as that applies to copyrights, not trademarks. Second of all, you can't trademark the word hoarder or any other dictionary word, so attempting to claim a trademark violation when the app name he chose is Hoarder is likewise fraudulent. It's the equivalent of claiming a trademark on the dictionary word itself. I hope he sticks to his guns and keeps the name Hoarder and maybe teach those douchebags, who clearly just want to soak up profits they haven't earned, a lesson.

[@festro1000]

I think it should be illegal to copyright actual words, imagine being ably to own a copyright to common words like map bookmark etc.

[@magicalcapi9148]

"Apple" and "windows" are wild Should not be legal

[@chillinthailand]

The problem is scammers register names like "National Pasanonic" then create a similar logo to the real company (National Panasonic), knowing full well lots of people will think the fake one is the real one (mostly non native English readers).

[@DaVince21]

Trademark, not copyright. And it is pretty much not allowed already.

[@toranshaw4029]

Fine Brothers kicked off a major storm when they tried to trademark the word... React. They backed down soon enough.

[@ThePlayerOfGames]

News Corp forced Microsoft to give up the word "sky" they were using for SkyDrive (predecessor to OneDrive) because they owned UK media company Sky…

[@yuu-kun3461]

I think the hordr guy just gave hoarder more publicity by pulling this crap. I certaintly din't know about hoarder before!

[@vaisakh_km]

I think it's the reverse, he want attention to his project, and what's better way to get it than sueing a big project

[@yuu-kun3461]

@vaisakh_km sure I guess. But who would use his software then?

[@vaisakh_km]

@@yuu-kun3461 ;) people who don't care about the open source?

[@marklemoine1634]

Same, I wouldn't have heard of Hoarder otherwise. But now I'll check it out!

[@Supperconductor]

Funny thing about trademarks, if you don't actively defend your trademark, it can be invalidated on those grounds in the future. This is what often triggers seemingly silly actions like this.

[@antoniomromo]

I believe Lawful Masses has covered how that part of trademark law is often misunderstood. Much like the priar art aspect.

[@Obie.]

@@antoniomromo I would suspect there are ways to negotiate allowing an open-source project to do something like this in a way that doesn’t put your patent at risk

[@Dr_Larken4]

We live in a world where you can literally take the same business plan, the same you UI, functionality, basically copying a website or an app especially if you copyright it first and get away with it There was two brothers I think in Germany that copied eBay, made their own version of HelloFresh and they made billions! Obviously, I summed it up pretty quickly, but you get my point

[@PhilipRibeiro-j4g]

This remembers me of the same thing Bethesda did to Mojang because of a game in development called Scrolls. Bethesda filled a lawsuit against Mojang and their reasoning was that the name of the game was almost identical to their trademarked name Elder Scrolls and Mojang was infringing their trademark so they needed to change the name of their game, but in this case Bethesda almost lost the case and they made an agreement with Mojang for then to keep using the name Scrolls but with no right to release any other sequel using the same name.

[@NicholasOrr]

Need this for all browsing history, I don’t want to bookmark anything. If I visited it, I want to be able to reference it later 😂

[@kirangeorge8]

I hope you are prepared for letter from PizzaHut now 🤣

[@shadyworld1]

Or Sponsorship 😂🎉

[@stayupthetree]

Ok your title freaked me out thinking I've been using Hoarder and it is super bad

[@TechHut]

my bad 😅

[@snerketryne]

Lol imma just start trademarking words. Like i own "hello" from now on, you're not allowed to use it anymore

[@captainlightbeam]

While thinking about this, keep in mind that a *copyright* infringement is entirely different from *trademark* infringement. As an aside, I wonder if the trademark on "Hordr" is susceptible to invalidation?

[@Sawta]

Imagine naming your application "Ho radar" and getting mad at someone using the name "hoarder".

[@PicSta]

I prefer LinkWarden, but thanks for the demonstration. Interesting with the stolen name story.

[@amateurwizard]

Time to name it Hoarderr, like the other Servarr-like apps

[@Strenoner]

The Hordr has deleted all reviews it seems or they are not visible from my country. Both ways still funny and i would love to keep it at 1 star rating until they decide to frick off

[@TechHut]

Do you all think this is fair? What should they change their name to if it comes to that?? Btw, here is the buymeacoffee link for the dev if you wanna support him: buymeacoffee.com/mbassem

[@thombaz]

USA have so much company, literally every word is taken. STOP.

[@Kajukota]

Nope, not fair. To spite them, Hoardarr seems appropriate.

[@Ronaldo-se3ff]

Hoarder vs Hordr seems pretty clean cut to me. Clearly a copyright troll.

[@kosmos3718]

here I was getting ready to watch a 9 minute cleaning segment & house transformation video

[@gannas42]

Why do the Hordr screenshots show "To braindumb" in the top bar? Is that the app's original name? 🤔

[@TheLinuxCowboy]

Tell them the domain name is for sale for 1million. If they want that domain name make it worth the change.

[@brandonhamaguchi]

can i import the stuff from Pocket to Hoarder?

[@jarnMod]

Once more IP law stifled innovation

[@ThanosTsakirisGaijin]

the funniest thing IMO is that they are BOTH just a more recent take and have almost identical feature sets with Shiori (apart from AI summaries) 😅which has been around for years

[@gsftom]

Love the story of your channel name! 🙂

[@ricardog2165]

Check out the history of a computer terminal manufacturer called Soroc...

[@Aygross]

Do you have a way to get it working on casaos ?

[@chorennator]

This is not the point of the video but I need to say it: From the videos from you I've Seen, your Keyboard sounds Insanely Nice.

[@Un_Pour_Tous]

Morals have no place in capitalism.

[@bobmichael8735]

to use horder,do you need a server?

[@twitchyarby]

That's an illegal use of DMCA... You don't use DMCA for a trademark dispute - it's only for copyright and there's definitely no copyright issue here.

[@jonathanblair4246]

Just ignore it. This tiny company is not gonna sue you over it, way too expensive.

[@SeLMeZz]

What's you keyboard? it's sound good 👍

[@TechHut]

I'll make a video on it :)

[@NetHacker100]

@@TechHut bro you can still write the model name and help a ninja out. dont have to blueball him until a 10 minute video comes out.

[@TechHut]

@@NetHacker100 I’m not home I will get it when I can lol

[@gg-gn3re]

@@TechHut how do you not know your keyboard? I'm not home either. My keyboard is an UHK v1. My wife's keyboard is a ducky shine.

[@SeLMeZz]

@@TechHut i hope you reach to your home safely

[@riderofthewhitehorse]

Yum Brands will be sending you a Cease & Desist soon. Best to change your name to TechCaesars.

[@panda.x64]

Hello, does your website support or have RSS? Can't find anything.

[@panda.x64]

Never mind. Answered my own question by adding /feed to the URL

[@EliSpizzichino]

I prefer Anytype!

[@c0p0n]

Eyes up, guardian

[@ireneocobarjr2960]

I didnt realize there is already an app like this and Im just currently developing the same functionality on an app.

[@rfitzgerald2004]

If the "original" only has app downloads in the double digits after several years, I can't imagine it would have been easy to find or know about at the time Hoarder was started. Seems like he wants to use the popularity of the open source version to boost the proprietary version especially by trying to take over the domain

[@sayrith]

cloning this in case something happens.

[@kosmos3718]

my playstore doesn't show any dating or anything for that app

[@MrwhoHQ]

it really looks like google notes

[@tristengrant]

Do you mean Google Keep?

[@UnNumptyTube]

comment gets deleted probably for having publicly available information in it. Hope it was KZbin suckness and not a TechHut moderation. Either way Boohiss on Hordr Boohooness.

[@kokop1107]

Unpopular opinion but I think Hordr is right. Don't get me wrong, I usually hate this kind of behaviour as much as the next guy, but you can't argue with their argumentation, they literally have a legitimate point. I don't get why the opensource app just doesn't change their name. On the other hand, from a pr standpoint this is a huge miscalculation from Hordr, way to get yourself really hated lol.

[@HoodBoyNO1]

just call it boarbr

[@flyofthefirefly]

Wait, I am confused. So the hordr is a bookmark sorting app, that appeared around 2023. Then the hoarder with the same idea appeared around 2024. Who... who is in the wrong here? If there are no financial strings attached - change the name and you are good to go.

[@magicalcapi9148]

Here's the thing; the accuser trademarked the name, so there IS financial strings attached. The defender didn't. Morally, I would agree that both names are generic and not the same, but who knows how legally it is. If I'm not mistaken, a case can be made if the person is not using the name at the moment, but that's just in theory, in practice I wouldn't be so hopeful

[@phpeteur]

tx on some states it a business to surf on infringement , as you remind us so messed up you would have a hard time to believe (Judge + Lawer ) . Except fork and install how could we help in keeping this up ?

[@calvyoel1515]

Looks like hor-dr to me pronounced hor like tor Dr lol the w and e are silent

[@handcraft-it]

Never heard of DMCA before. Are you sure it's not YMCA? If I was the Hoarder guy, I would simply rename is to HODOR.

[@tristengrant]

You've never heard of DMCA?

[@handcraft-it]

@@tristengrant i was kidding a bit.

[@ChrisHaupt]

Just change the name and move on. Although as a business owner I know how hard it is to find a good name.

[@june5646]

More like HoardARR...we know

[@Antebios]

Hoarder performance sucks. I uploaded about 15k bookmarks and it was slow as molasses. Linkwarden has better performance.

[@june5646]

Now he's a LoosARR

[@DannyDM00]

Oh no we're back to pro-tainer again

[@AindriuMacGiollaEoin]

What a stupid startup, it's obviously smaller

[@michaelkreitzer1369]

I mean OK sucks he needs to change the name, but this is a pretty cut and dry case. Definitely not “crazy”. He picked a name very similar to a direct competitor who was there first and even registered the trademark. What else is there to say? The author will just have to take it as a life lesson. Life’s gonna throw much harder punches down the line. If you let this overwhelm you you’re in for a bad time. Change the name, be done with it. This isn’t a David vs Goliath situation. The request is perfectly reasonable.

[@rexsceleratorum1632]

That's like saying no company can have a competing product named a Watch because Apple has the Apple Watch. "Hoarder" is a pretty descriptive name for an app for hoarding links or whatever, and it isn't similar to "Hordr" at all. It makes sense to object if another company names itself Applie and puts out smartphones and computers with a half bitten plum because that's clearly imitation meant to confuse customers. I don't think Hordr has any chance in court.

[@michaelkreitzer1369]

@ this ain’t the hill boss

[@KGIV]

There is a lot of ignorance about trademarks here and in the comments. The easy solution, however painful, is to change the name and come into compliance. What is stupid is pretending that the guy who released an open-source project without doing any due diligence is being stolen from or abused. Clearly, he wasn't very worried about the name, given he hadn't looked into it at all. Trademark stuff is often confusing, but this isn't a case of a company being petty with its actions. The app is a direct competitor. If you don't like how trademarks function, work to change them. Take it up!

[@user-ic6xf]

Brave > Firefox

[@FineWine-v4.0]

LibreWolf >>> FireFox >> Brave

[@KajuTheRudeMonke]

Librewolf >> Firefox >> Vivaldi >> Septic tank >> Brave

[@TheGamesZilla492]

Stupid ...can't they just share ,one dev does the android and other docker ,Linux app

[@rms____-gl7lt]

near identical macOS ricing nice!

[@Speed-Daemon-123]

Change the name to something catchy, like KleenX.

[@tristengrant]

Thats an awful name.

[@rfvtech3261]

BOTH of these apps are terrible.

[@gazehound]

crazy take

[@Cybolic]

Could you elaborate?