iOS vs Android Privacy Showdown: Beyond the Surface

[@techlore]

Which OS works best for your workflow and priorities? Why? Let me know below, I wanna hear!

[@bobbyjohnson116]

One uI Samsung Dex

[@nico1337]

CalyxOS on a Pixel 8 Pro here. Some of my apps don't work without microG and the feature set of Graphene just doesn't cut it for me

[@HarnoorSingh-pt2vf]

Make video on kagi search engine

[@59fiftycap]

iOS. Used to use Android on the Pixel, but prefer how it syncs with my MacBook and Apple TV. I have heard of Android users installing GrapheneOS to “degoogle” and I respect that. At the end of the day, use what works best with your workflow and priorities. I see people on degoogling/privacy subreddits and here on KZbin that say “you’re not doing it right if you aren’t using Arch Linux, Arkenfox and a pixel running GrapheneOS!” This strict attitude and dismissal of those who are stepping into the world of privacy/degoogling is hurtful and anti-productive towards the actual goal of privacy.

[@pohodovejrybar5918]

oneui for features, graphene for privacy

[@IPnator]

What I can't give up on Android: • Browser engines (Firefox + uBlock origin) • File managers that really deserve their name. You can't even show hidden files or name an SMB share under iOS. • Syncthing • Keyboard (soo bad on iOS) • 3rd party app stores • possibility to install self developed apps easily • KDE Connect (limited on iOS) • Auto clickers • GPS spoofing through developer options • Functional but less beauty Widgets • Gesture control (back gesture) • Fingerprint readers (although it's not a software feature it is only available on android phones) • Launcher and OS freedom + customizable • I control my device and not the other way round.

[@weind-kp1gu]

Totally agree with every point

[@lussor1]

keep in mid gecko is insecure in android

[@tuxpenguin007]

​@@lussor1why?

[@phoneywheeze]

Mac Randomisation

[@robertwright8844]

@@phoneywheeze iOS also does MAC address randomization (since 2020)

[@brydak]

GrapheneOS

[@qtamomusic7620]

I prefer Android, but it's good to remember that not every model allows you to flash new operating systems (some have locked bootliaders). Not every model is going to be supported for long (but some like Fairphone already have a longer support time than iphone). Android is more of a mixed bag, the best setups are better than iOs, but many are worse.

[@Blueeeeeee]

What's keeping me on Android: - Fairphone - F-Droid - LineageOS - Actual web browsers where you can install extensions such as UBlock - By comparison Apple devices being unrepairable and Apple being shit to developers and trying to tax you on every level, not touching that anytime soon

[@呀咧呀咧]

Wdym, safari can run adguard and stay (userscript extensions), etc.

[@_Jt8_]

GrapheneOS user here 👋

[@notafbihoneypot8487]

The only true way 🗿🗿🗿🗿

[@thesigma8508]

How you using KZbin? Via a browser?

[@sumitclone2032]

​@@thesigma8508microg

[@coderx8634]

Same here

[@SecurityDivision]

​@@thesigma8508Using Revanced patched KZbin - this is the way :)

[@Parakeet-pk6dl]

We’ll see about Google long time supporting older devices… they’re the king of announcing projects and then just as quickly cancel them.

[@MoZ1899]

I've used custom roms on android for 11+ years now with many different phones, of course and it's the one that i love the most from it. I've hardened my privacy too by not using much social media, removed every trackers, using fully offline stuff for those that don't actually need online connections & keep using vpn and private browser when i need to input my private, sensitive informations. I don't use my phone to monitor my wellbeing either. I've also been building my own ecosystem for years for my android, windows & linux stuff

[@SurvivorNVL]

I use iOS only for how simple it is and the inter-connectivity with other apple devices. That seamless integration is nice. Even though I love Distro-Hopping with linux - once Apple Silicon performance is comparable to a 7600M or higher - I'll likely switch over to a Macbook full-time in the future, just for that seamless compatibility. Used to hate the apple ecosystem a decade ago and now I just like that works.

[@runQgC]

i wanted to be happy with graphene so bad, but ended up switching back to ios few months later anyway. the ios/macos integration is such a big productivity and convenience boost that the amount of extra privacy those alternatives offer simply isn't worth for me

[@MUIsaiyanGoku]

Nahh bruhh, ios is not simple at all, you will realize this only after you switch to android

[@SurvivorNVL]

@@MUIsaiyanGoku I had Android from 2011 - 2022. HTC, Samsung, Pixel, Motorola, Sony. Just didn’t work as well even when on graphene or oxygen.

[@呀咧呀咧]

​@@MUIsaiyanGokunah you'll realize once you own an iOS device (no need to switch to another since it's legal to have both, isn't it)

[@mmmmkkk]

What's important IMO is that Android did a massive step forward with security and privacy in the recent years and keeps pushing that back to older phones. The system is almost annoying at limiting permissions and battery time to any apps, including ability to let apps access e.g. only user-selected files instead of whole gallery, etc.. The level of configuration you get, same as for notifications, is mind blowing. Not to mention you have choice to use e.g. finger print reader unlike ios, where it's only face-reader cause apple says so.

[@brayd1778]

Apple's Advanced Data Protection is the only thing keeping me on iOS. I want my photos to be private without giving up the convenience of having face recognition, search etc. I know Ente Photos is a thing but it doesn't have streaming for videos yet so if you want to watch a big video it has to fully sync to the device first which can take a long time and file size is limited too. I know there is Immich which can be self hosted and stored on an encrypted drive on a server but then you have to maintain it etc. and it is not yet stable even though it works well.

[@Xankill3r]

iOS local encrypted backups looks really neat! Wish we had it on Android. Not switching to iOS just for that though.

[@呀咧呀咧]

There's no need to switch between one and the other, you are allowed to own both.

[@Xankill3r]

@@呀咧呀咧 yes, but interop is practically nonexistent right now and we don't really have something like the F-Droid store on iOS.

[@benfurstenwerth]

Termux is mandatory for me.. so no iOS. Many others too

[@matthewhendricks396]

I like using both but with my family and my wife’s all on iOS it makes a lot of things easier. And for my “threat model” I feel like it does a good job for most people.

[@Valeria-g9y]

I have spent many years playing around between GrapheneOS and iOS, but have settled with iOS. It fits my low threat model wonderfully. Basic Privacy tools like Signal, Proton Suite, Strongbox, and a Foss Browser take care of my main concerns. Plus, Advanced Data Protection has been a good experience. Great Video!

[@tecdive8045]

One difference I have noticed is that generally speaking, android apps tend to require more access resources, such as contacts and location, than iOS apps. Not taking graphene into account, less access to phone resources this makes Apple more secure

[@tampajay1]

I used Android from 2008 to 2022 and switched to iOS in 2022 with the iPhone 14 Plus. The reason I switched is because: I wanted a phone that would get OS updates for at least 5 years; I wanted a phone that was a flagship so it would still feel fast years down the road, and my mom and gf have iPhones so it makes it easier for us to take advantage of iCloud and Findmy and FaceTime, iMessage, and whatnot. I really do miss the customizability of Android but I do love my iPhone. I might go back to Android with the Pixel Ultra in 2027 tho. We shall see

[@PavTheSlav]

I love being able to tinker with the OS and make Android just how I want it. Honestly at this point the main thing keeping me on Android is the fact that I can customize the UI, record phone calls on LineageOS/GrapheneOS and that I can transfer my Signal messages to a new device which is still not possible on iOS

[@prepor584]

I live in a country where Google has not started selling Pixels. There are _rumors_ about a possible 2025 launch, but I do not know whether Google will consider my warranty void if I install graphene on my phone (I know that this is not an issue in most of the world, but there has not been any practical/legal precedent set in my country as of yet). I also don't know if my banking/financial apps will work, and if I can get *any* developers to care about my plight if they do not (I also work in tech, and the approach to integrity checks is abysmal here). Which leaves me with apple devices as the most reliable devices with decentish security/privacy that I can actually acquire.

[@notafbihoneypot8487]

Custom roms Can void warranty, but all you need to do is reinstall Android if it isn't destroyed, As a GOS user and pixel 6 owner. The repairability factory is light years ahead of apple. I just repaired my battery myself and it was a breeze. I could of replaced a few more parts cheap too.

[@notafbihoneypot8487]

There is also an app/site I believe that tells you the compatibility on custom roms too

[@prepor584]

I have no idea what would happen if my phone for bricked to the point of preventing return to stock OS, and as I said, there is no legal/practical precedent where I live. Also, the plexus database does not have info on any of the apps I need because of availability issues.

[@notafbihoneypot8487]

@@prepor584 bricking is extremely rare. I understand your issues. Even when I thought I blocked my device, Google's site led me to a recovery mode and I reversed it back to stock android and I fixed the issue with GOS. Hopefully plexus gets an update on available for the apps you need. I don't run into that issue due to I use PWAs for my banking.

[@tehehe5929]

We had the same problem in Poland. People bought Pixels anyway and that made Google notice and now there is official support in my country.

[@coderx8634]

GrapheneOS is number 1 🎉

[@007modmom]

I always had that 'stop' in my spirit when approached on taking an iphone. Never had peace. Love most androids - some are crap- but there are good ones.

[@呀咧呀咧]

I don't understand why people see fingerprint sensor as a selling point / deal maker. I hate it so much on my Pixel and fortunately it has an option to use face recognition.

[@electricalbatross5797]

What I want is a full desktop OS I can run from my phone using an HDMI-USBC cable/hub. These things can run local AI models now but I can't use a real OS. (And no, Samsung Dex does NOT count.) I mean full x86 apps via a compatibility layer similar to Rosetta. Neither side has this.

[@anon29831]

+1 GrapheneOS.

[@arthurmarek8418]

I have both, like both, use for different jobs

[@NotAI69420]

iOS does have work profiles. It's in the "focus" area. I use it almost daily.

[@techlore]

Android profiles are quite a bit more robust. Android profiles allows you to install two versions of the same app, have two different VPN slots, etc. It's almost like a second phone alongside your main one (similar to multiple user accounts on desktop operating systems.) But yes iOS profiles are really nice for notification separation and homescreen customization. It just doesn't have many implications for safety :)

[@Bornastr838]

good video as always and i am also switching to a android soon 👍

[@Chikowski101]

Android is just better ❤

[@jeeefthegreat7555]

How about don't spend that much time on a tiny screen.

[@techlore]

Compatible with both operating systems :)

[@呀咧呀咧]

True

[@PepsiCat321]

Ad company is the gate keeper of your data on android. It all goes through them in one way or another. So why trust them to keep your data private when are motivated to get it for ads.

[@selw0nk]

This kinda wants me to switch to iOS because of their encryption.

[@-Skywalker01-]

I think not all androids support multiple users, e.g. samsung.

[@bionborys1648]

Privacy on either one is a ridiculous concept and not a serious discussion. The talk about cell phone privacy concerns de--googled phones and very expensive options only a few can justify.

[@MoZ1899]

For people who know then yes, but for consumers who are unaware, privacy could be everything they own but they don't know about. Many ppl have fallen for fake ads, scams & phishing because they don't know anything. Cyber hygiene is the most important thing in this day & age and it's a duty for the experts & experienced, if you will to open ppl's eyes abt how important it is because it does happen in real life. I've never got any phishing attempt while some of my friends who don't do anything abt their digital privacy fell into those traps. You might thing digital privacy isn't important because you're already an expert on keeping your digital space clean but for those who don't know, they need to be aware of it all because again, it could be their everything and they just don't know it

[@DavidPereiraLima123]

For the algorithm.

[@knightone57]

Different OS's only work on certain Android phones.

[@YuraJayRJay]

Android: Syncthing.

[@PiklePistolka]

Private relay in safari i cant give up. Websites sometimes dont work with vpn

[@dylancolton7560]

I use both 😅

[@user-ic6xf]

What we need is a brand new competitor to Google and Apple eco systems. Proton Mobile.... Maybe they can merge with Graphene...

[@froxkun]

🤔 Maybe Tesla phone😅

[@PedroCaminoMUFC]

If you were to switch from iOS to Android, which device would you recommend?

[@CedroCron]

Haypatia for Android is an excellent malware scanner. It really does a great job.

[@hiddenknowledge3275]

Big Ups nice video lots of bots in the comments today for some reason.

[@Stef.Cata051]

I'm sorry but the iPhone drawbacks are not worth it....

[@ss-xy2im]

Many apps are not available on crapple because they do mot allow apps with gpl license

[@user-cb3vs3oh5h]

You can pry open an android easily. iOS is the most difficult. Not impossible though.

[@chow9893]

I use android after debloating it with ADB

[@froxkun]

Android is the best From MIUI to Nusantara,CorvusOS then LineageOS Magisk Module for GAMING Lsposed additional module Root needed apps 👌 FKM adjusting CPU and GPU clock speed Modding apps👌

[@PoseidonOilRig]

VPN actually works on Android!

[@randomyoutubeusername4985]

ProtonVPN works great on iOS! No issues here.

[@adstix]

Americans are literally hooked on IOS because of other devices in the Apple ecosystem! All its users are pretty much in LOCKDOWN mode! 9:07 There are four options actually - Harmony & Graphene OS

[@Techjunkie51]

I have an iPhone 15 pro max and an S24 ultra and love both. I agree with most of what you said, but i think apps on iOS run and look better than android.

[@-CrystalLake-]

Apple Maps iMessage FaceTime are the only things that are keeping me on a iPhone

[@chrisphace420]

What's better about these apps then their android counterparts exactly. Because I'm pretty happy with my messaging app (textra, though I'm sure by this point stock messages is comparable) , my video chat app (google meet) and my navigation app (Google maps) .

[@randomyoutubeusername4985]

@@chrisphace420Apple Maps claims not to store or save your location on their servers to my understanding

[@mmmmkkk]

had a chance to use apple maps in a car recently... I thought android auto is annoying, but this ios thingy would be a crap even in 2007... o_O I just couln't bare how bad the UI is

[@linuxstreamer8910]

because I'm on linux i can only use android because for ios i need itunes & that is not on linux FYI i know you can in wine

[@RobertLoyale]

That iPhone ecosystem is a cybersecurity savings grace. No malware. No bugs or worms. SIEM accounts…mfa…encryption…just good on security hardening.

[@theworldoffun8997]

So like Graphene OS but proprietary and easily swayed by governments to do whatever they want?

[@John7No]

I think you will have a lot more hard time making this video in 6 months since EU version of iOS will have 3rd party app stores, different engines etc. I mean hard time because you will have to start separating iOS EU version with the rest of the world. :D Only one objection, Android updates for Pixel and I think Samsung as well said for 7 years? but that leaves a very huge portion of the cheap phones that are other vendors. That will always be an iffy situation. Last I would like to hear more about the part at 1:46 on why iOS does not allow those features, not sure if it is an apple limitation or an actual development limitation, but I think it would be interesting as an added info

[@TrentonMatthews]

Hmmm... This brings up a very good question: I wonder if there will be KZbin channels going forward, dedicated to Apple in the EU.

[@LittleRadicalThinker]

In short, Android for sophisticated people who know exactly what they are doing and want to do those sophisticated things. iPhone is for everyone, especially those dumb people who don’t know what phone security cyber security is, which unfortunately includes me…

[@shaf3006]

Android phones force some apps can’t be uninstalled only disable

[@chaosfenix]

I have picked Android for the amount of control you get with it I do wish there were other options though as even android can be somewhat limiting. For example a lot of apps lose functionality the second you rood the device like having root control all the sudden makes it less secure. What it really means is that you as the user have the control and can grant control to other applications as desired where as on an unrooted device google is the one with the control and apps like banking trust google a lot more than they trust the user. Unfortunately they can be right but personally I would still prefer to have that control myself. I will say that if you are not willing to take the time to harden android you are probably better off with ios as google tries to spy on you as much as possible by default.

[@呀咧呀咧]

Once you spend time on more meaningful things like self hosting and contributing to the open source community, you won't spend time on those tiny device customization bullshit

[@chaosfenix]

@@呀咧呀咧 Um this is a pretty stupid take. Just because I self host and contribute to the open source community doesn't mean that I don't have a phone. I would use a linux phone but they are incredibly limiting in their current iterations. Who knows. Maybe valve will come out with a linux phone too and save those as well.

[@PyVerse-47]

btw you didnt mention that android is open source unlike ios and most of the ios options your mentioned are just what Apple claims to do, you cant really check if its bullet proof or not

[@tangoalpha6013]

Interesting review. In my opinion Android updates from Samsung were not working well. I bought a new tablet and could not get new android OS updates because Samsung didn't released for that specific chipset/model. Very disappointed. While Apple even on older iphone 6 was providing updates.

[@NarendraMnr]

So, This video or content is not meant for average user but for people who are into tech. If that is not the case, then you're in a bubble.

[@NarendraMnr]

More Apps Better Apps I had to switch back to IOS just because i couldn't see the ugly app interfaces and app optimization on android.

[@X772H]

Yeah, as much as I want to like android… they have cool phones like the nothing phone - but a lot of the apps are just ugly and not optimized, and therefore laggy und buggy. It’s awful.

[@pistolp8037]

Get rid of over-priced and under-powered CrApple devices. Android and Linux FTW!!!

[@0xAnnan]

Btw, how about HarmonyOS by Huawei? I haven't used it but I'm curious about it, is it worth it?

[@PoseidonOilRig]

Face ID is better on iPhone!

[@levipb1403]

You're kinda cute

[@TS-or1mu]

Androids need to be replaced every two years. Apple higher quality phone plus e2e encryption 🎉

[@oscs4556]

Money

[@terryschima4964]

Apple’s chips in the newer iPhones pass data thru the phone before going thru the software called E2E encryption. Not secure. Google’s tensor chips do the same. Privacy is gone unless you move off the grid. Keep digging.

[@TrentonMatthews]

Thanks to the DMA, could KZbin channels now be segmented between European Union Tech Channels vs um, everywhere else? Hmmm...

[@SalimSalvatore]

wHerE iS tHE vErDicT bRaH

[@techlore]

At the end, clearly time stamped :)

[@Kevji9]

@@techlore I mean, a question is not an answer :p

[@addy7445]

Bro finally cracked the algorithm

[@robgreene3956]

When apple stuff is end-to-end encryption, one end is the phone, what is the other end. What I am asking, is if Apple has zero knowledge.

[@cysecgnz]

One of the only things keeping me on iOS is ecosystem, and the fact that Windows (8, 10, 11), and all Linux flavors suck ass.

[@industrialmonk]

Choice & customisation are only android apple is for people who don't think & don't care or are only interested in the bragging/ fashion.

[@mysteriousm1]

Tell me you haven't watched the video without telling me you haven't watched the video

[@PyVerse-47]

@@mysteriousm1 i watched the video and i agree with him but i know it sounds weird for you because of your american tunnel vision and bias towards apple

[@Tom_Drexel]

ADP by itself makes iOS objectively superior than any Android device. Apple also collects dramatically less data than google, although it isn’t zero. FaceID is both easier to use and more secure than Touch ID by far. Excluding flashing grapheneOS, there’s no reason to use Android for people who care about privacy & security. Apple is superior in that regard. Everything else is debatable and/or personal preference.