The return of OSCILLOSCOPE MUSIC with the N-Spheres EP

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Techmoan

Techmoan

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@Techmoan
@Techmoan 13 сағат бұрын
As pretty much everyone has pointed out, it seems I’m using the wrong kind of scope. If you want to view the ‘ n-spheres EP’ I’d strongly recommend either playing the linked KZbin videos or buying, downloading and running the executable. Only people with the right sort of oscilloscope already to hand should bother attempting to play the audio on a real scope, even then it would probably have looked better played on a bigger PC monitor.
@Sonnell
@Sonnell 13 сағат бұрын
Hey Techmoan, just a small thing: When you play "high res" audio, especially on a laptop, look in to audio settings and set the output sampling frequency and bitrate to the proper higher ones, like 96KHz, or 192kHz, and 24 or 32 bit depth. Otherwise no high res DAC will be in high res mode and will act like a standard one. Perhaps you did, and did not show it to us, I do not know. Otherwise, thanks for the great content! :)
@danielnoye223
@danielnoye223 12 сағат бұрын
Don't listen to the pork swords
@Sonnell
@Sonnell 12 сағат бұрын
@@danielnoye223 Could you please translate this to plain English? Thank you.
@KK4CNM
@KK4CNM 12 сағат бұрын
As @whitslack commented, you will have some capacitive coupling, which would almost certainly cause issues. I am willing to make a custom cable for you if you'd like to try. (free)
@jgasoft
@jgasoft 11 сағат бұрын
The issue with your little portable devices is that they probably have a capacitor in series at the output, therefore filtering out the DC offset required to draw static images at a certain position. That's why you end up with lines with stuff "automatically centered" on the screen. Also, make sure your oscilloscope coupling mode is in DC, not AC, as it will produce the same effect. Cool stuff!
@1dolar1note1
@1dolar1note1 2 күн бұрын
Every single DAC designed for outputting audio is designed to get rid of any DC voltage on the output. The audio needed to display the visuals properly rely on being able to send out DC signals without getting filtered. Many years ago they mentioned it on their blog, saying they had to modify an audio interface to remove some capacitors IIRC. It's less of an issue of the output not being "high end" enough, it's just not designed to output DC voltages as those are generally bad to have on any kind of speaker. EDIT: What you'd want for this application (or also ones that use modular synths with CV inputs, another more common use case) are "DC-coupled audio interfaces".
@whitslack
@whitslack 2 күн бұрын
The unshielded cable is also going to have some capacitive coupling between signal and ground that will tend to filter out DC components. The long wires will also have some inductance that will filter out high-frequency components. I'd love to see the setup that is required to get this music to display on a real scope as intended. I'd bet it's unconventional and nothing the typical consumer of the album is going to have on hand.
@MichaelThwaite
@MichaelThwaite 2 күн бұрын
I don't see a DC option on the scope either. I think it'd likely need that to support what looks like 2Hz or less.
@AgentDexter47
@AgentDexter47 14 сағат бұрын
I would second this - either he sound cards/outputs of the devices have a high pass filters, or possibly the scope itself has it. you can try by connecting a fixed voltage like that of an AA battery to scope and if the line is in the middle, then its scope filtering DC component.
@ijabbott63
@ijabbott63 13 сағат бұрын
@@MichaelThwaite True, it's not a general purpose oscilloscope, it's a "stereo audio monitor" as it says next to the model number.
@Craig_Spurlock
@Craig_Spurlock 13 сағат бұрын
My setup that resulted in perfect results with the first Oscilloscope Music is a Sony BDP-S580 Blu-ray player playing from its stereo line-outs into my Tektronix 2213A. I used the downloaded .wav files. I have not wired up this new EP yet.
@wktodd
@wktodd 12 сағат бұрын
Your scope is AC coupled to ensure the display is centred , (it is filtering the very low frequencies). There may be options on the scope to show DC levels or alternatively use a normal oscilloscope in vector (X/Y) mode.
@AsahelFrost
@AsahelFrost 11 сағат бұрын
This! The problem is not the high-frequency cut-off, it is the low frequency end rolling off that is the issue.
@EarthSurfer
@EarthSurfer 11 сағат бұрын
This echoes my observation of Mat’s results. The shifting of the whole image indicates this is a low frequency issue. The creators may be using a DC Offset to center the image indicates the display window. Any AC coupling would allow the image to drift from center if there is offset. (Sorry, there is some electronic engineer speak here…)
@Derpy1969
@Derpy1969 10 сағат бұрын
AC coupling and filtering was what went through my mind. I think you are on the right track. There’s also bandwidth limitations.
@bramvanriel1363
@bramvanriel1363 9 сағат бұрын
Actually, most DAC’s are AC coupled as well, to prevent damaging speakers. You’d need a DC coupled interface (like for instance, MOTU)
@felixmoore6781
@felixmoore6781 9 сағат бұрын
@@bramvanriel1363 Actually, the amplifier's output is normally AC-coupled as well. But the filter might have a lower cut-off frequency than the scope.
@MazeFrame
@MazeFrame 13 сағат бұрын
According to the manual for the 760-scope, there are capacitors in the signal path which block any DC-offset. This results in any DC which would cause lines shifting on the screen to just be stationary.
@SierraLimaOscar
@SierraLimaOscar 12 сағат бұрын
Correct. Because that is not an oscilloscope it's an audio analyzer/meter. Very cool device, but not the same.
@GoatTheGoat
@GoatTheGoat 12 сағат бұрын
Yes. His scope is hard wired for AC coupling. The music is designed for a scope with DC coupling.
@Timsturbs
@Timsturbs 5 сағат бұрын
theres no DC in the source audio, only really low AC. if on osc input its just first order high pass filter its easily countered by matching shelving filter. amp + 2 resistors + 2 caps + 2 variable resistors for both channels.
@Kalvinjj
@Kalvinjj Сағат бұрын
Ain't the audio also AC coupled anyway too? Would just end up the same.
@BersekViking
@BersekViking 12 сағат бұрын
From an old-timer on oscilloscopes: The problem is not the high frequencies here, but the low ones. The images are centering in the scope because the frequency response does now go low enough. Real oscilloscopes can go down to DC (0 Hz). Audio oscilloscopes don't do, or need, that.
@yeoldestuff
@yeoldestuff 2 күн бұрын
The EP is probably designed for proper lab grade oscilloscopes, I'm pretty sure those stereo visualisers all have auto-centering which would mess up the visuals.
@1dolar1note1
@1dolar1note1 2 күн бұрын
I would find it very odd if an oscilloscope made for monitoring stereo audio would do things such as manipulating the incoming signal. That's not its job, it just needs to display what goes into it. Tektronix is a brand known for making test and measuring equipment, I'm betting money on the oscilliscope being perfectly fine.
@dafoex
@dafoex 13 сағат бұрын
This was my first thought. If it's an audio oscilloscope, is it only monitoring signals that the human ear can hear? What @1dolar1note1 says casts doubt on that, though...
@john_hunter_
@john_hunter_ 13 сағат бұрын
I was thinking thee same thing. It does look like some kind of auto centring system but I know nothing about oscilloscopes. Maybe it is just because it can't access or display the higher frequencies.
@Pxrchi
@Pxrchi 13 сағат бұрын
@1dolar1note1 Yeah, I think there must be some sort of highpass filter (or something causing the DC to be filtered/ not as accurate) within the signal chain, the scope itself should be able to produce those visuals. Could also be the signal is getting distorted. I remember seeing those kinds of artifacts (where the lines arent quite matching up during regions of overlap) when either filter or dynamic shaper of sorts was removing/altering the DC.
@MazeFrame
@MazeFrame 13 сағат бұрын
@@Pxrchi Took a look into the manual for the 760A, page 145 has the analog-front-end schematic, and as suspected, there is a 10uF capacitor there to block DC-offset.
@willyarma_uk
@willyarma_uk 14 сағат бұрын
Looks like AC coupling is the culprit. The scope will have a setting for it but more than likely all your audio devices will have series capacitors to block DC.
@ptravers
@ptravers 13 сағат бұрын
The Tektronix scope has 10 microfarad caps on each (balanced XLR) signal line. It doesn't have DC coupling.
@ChrisPonate
@ChrisPonate 13 сағат бұрын
Thank you for keeping us up-to-date on out-of-date technology. Sounds weird, but I mean it. I am a 27yo dude from Germany, and the amount of knowledge and Insight I've gained into technology in general is amazing, but thats only possible because people like you share their deepest interests. I really hope you NEVER feel bad about, ashamed of, or insecure about your passion, videos or personality, as you appear to be one of the nicest people KZbin has seen to date. Please, keep your wits and quality, but also keep that goof and silly that we love.
@bobblum5973
@bobblum5973 11 сағат бұрын
That's a very accurate description of Mat /Techmoan. I personally enjoy the way it seems like he's having a conversation with you, the viewer. Other content creators do that as well, but this feels more like he's inviting us on a journey together. 🙂
@ChrisPonate
@ChrisPonate 7 сағат бұрын
@@bobblum5973 Its the tech-lovers comfort channel.
@huntabadday2663
@huntabadday2663 6 сағат бұрын
I see many people saying that the problem is the scope itself being AC-coupled, which is correct, but what most are missing, is that most audio interfaces are also AC-coupled as to not fry any coils by running dc current through them. To fix the problem, you will need to get an interface AND an oscilloscope which is DC-coupled so the DC is not filtered out of the signal.
@BasementWorkshop
@BasementWorkshop 13 сағат бұрын
The visual effects need a DC-coupled signal chain. This is most obvious with the sweeping lines which are meant to slowly move across the screen: AC coupling removes any low frequencies, including the slow movement of the lines, with the result that they just sit in the centre of the screen. The most likely culprit is the oscilloscope which appears to be specialised for audio and therefore almost certainly uses AC-coupled inputs. That would explain why changing the DAC has no effect. A general-purpose oscilloscope would have switchable DC/AC coupling.
2 күн бұрын
This is such an amazing project, I smiled though the whole demo section. No surprise, I also love demoscene stuff, and that executable is basically that.
@gertk2303
@gertk2303 13 сағат бұрын
AC coupling is the magic word here, both in the audio outputs/DAC's and maybe also on the scope inputs. For the display to be correct you need DC coupling on both the audio output and the scope inputs.
@radry100
@radry100 14 сағат бұрын
Techmoan on a Thursday?? This is like second christmas.
@jbaldwin1970
@jbaldwin1970 2 сағат бұрын
Is it Thursday? I can never keep up at this time of year
@video99couk
@video99couk 13 сағат бұрын
Some oscilloscopes have fixed AC coupling, and this may be the case here. Put a small battery on the input of the 'scope. If you can't get that to shift on the screen then it's AC coupled. Look for a switch to select DC coupling on it, but if there isn't one, then you'll need a better oscilloscope.
@wolfgangmaichen1571
@wolfgangmaichen1571 12 сағат бұрын
The problem is much more likely on the sound output - virtually all (or all) sound card outputs are AC coupled so the suppress the DC component of the signal. So it is not the scope input.
@oturgator
@oturgator 9 сағат бұрын
DC is filtered out, video99couk is correct. But also wolfgangmaichen1571 is also correct, it is not possible nowadays to find a DC coupled output, some rare breed RME sound cards or some rare other equipment can do that.
@chrisfratz
@chrisfratz 2 күн бұрын
I'm amazed they were able to get the entire EP on a floppy disk in that small of an executable. I wonder if it's just generating the audio in real time instead of relying on pre-recorded files.
@hotpotamus
@hotpotamus 2 күн бұрын
Yes, it is simply instructions to produce the sound. There have long been competitions to create complex visuals/sounds in small amounts of storage. My personal favorite is kzbin.info/www/bejne/gIuZi62Amryaprs
@miawgogo
@miawgogo 2 күн бұрын
ye, it is, they mentioned in the premier video how its being done
@ranseus
@ranseus 10 сағат бұрын
@@hotpotamus that was a golden opportunity for a Rickroll. Thank you for not going that route.
@roygalaasen
@roygalaasen 8 сағат бұрын
When I saw the floppy, it was pretty obviously what they had done - created a piece of software that outputs these songs on the fly. I wouldn’t be surprised if they on their end have created a full fledged specialised piece of software to create these kinds of music, while on the floppy, only the player is included to replay what they have created in the DAW style software they have on their end.
@knibknibknib
@knibknibknib 6 сағат бұрын
​@@roygalaasenThe scene you're looking for is the "Demoscene". Back in the day they were about maxing out hardware, demoing their programming skills. Now that hardware is so powerful many choose to go small and show off that way. An example is ".kkrieger" released in 2004. It is a first person shooter with sound and music and is only 96k. Pure music and visualization formats come even smaller than that. Lots of programming in assembly, still. This scene is probably the reason we have graphics so powerful these days, lots of crazy hardware and software tricks developed by these enthusiasts.
@FAMUCHOLLY
@FAMUCHOLLY 9 сағат бұрын
I'm really glad that you appear to be feeling better, Techmoan. Nothing is worse than being sick during the holiday season...
@NandR
@NandR 2 күн бұрын
I’ve been dreaming of using this in a sci-fi scene. Have the audio on a minidisc and played onto an O-scope showing the 3D plans for a sci-fi base that needs to be attacked.
@rel124c41a
@rel124c41a 12 сағат бұрын
Love getting a glimpse of the locker of forgot tech.
@SiaVids
@SiaVids 2 күн бұрын
I too have spent much time with various oscilloscopes both cheap and high end, different audio sources too and have not had much luck reproducing the images properly. I'm pleased to see that it's not just me.
@MrMersh-ts7jl
@MrMersh-ts7jl 4 сағат бұрын
This reminds me of the c64 demo scene. If you haven't already, check it out. It's amazing. Just got to the end of the video and of course you mentioned it. I'll leave it up just in case anybody doesn't reach the end and they want to see something absolutely incredible
@81oor
@81oor 2 күн бұрын
I wonder if (either deliberately or just as a consequence of design) these audio scopes and up normalising/centre-ing their displays? The brokenness of the graphics look like as though are somewhat normalising in towards the centre of the display in a way which breaks layout (which is probably what you'd want for analysis pre-broadcast or similar. It definitely looks like analogue domain rather than digital or D-to-A. Anyway, another great video, many thanks.
@hrothgar014
@hrothgar014 2 күн бұрын
You’re correct. Audio scopes like these are designed to do just that. They are meant for audio quality control and keep the X and Y in the center of the screen.
@Kalvinjj
@Kalvinjj Сағат бұрын
@@hrothgar014 Interesting to note then, that if they're AC-coupling the signal... one thing you cannot test with it is DC offset. Which I honestly would find an important test since you're measuring stuff already.
@lassi4855
@lassi4855 13 сағат бұрын
That executable is very demoscene esque. 😄
@martingibbons2488
@martingibbons2488 5 сағат бұрын
Surely demo scene guys made this to achieve the chip music and tiny files. It screams demoscene!
@rickm.2956
@rickm.2956 2 күн бұрын
Merry Christmas Mat and Missus!
@konohh
@konohh 13 сағат бұрын
A merry christmas to everybody. The audio output on the regular audio devices are DC decoupled. Only the AC part (the wiggly bit) is left through. Which is absolutely fine in terms of audio quality for a human ear. For properly displaying oscilloscope music on an oscilloscope, the DC part is mandatory to have, otherwise the result as shown will appear. My best shot of having a high resolution media audio player that is NOT decoupling the DC part was a raspberry pi, equipped with a Hifi Berry DAC and VOLUMIO2 installed. With this setup the very best results were achievable. Some of those results are still available on my channel.
@martingibbons2488
@martingibbons2488 5 сағат бұрын
Lovely to hear a nod to the c64 and amiga demoscene. Love that stuff!
@SwitchingPower
@SwitchingPower 13 сағат бұрын
If you google the Tektronix 760A service manual you find on page 145 of the schematic that each input has a pair of 10uF DC blocking capacitors in series with the audio that are the cause of the problem, if you short those out then you should be able to to view the DC part of the wave form if the DAC you are using is also not blocking the DC part of the signal.
@8bitwiz_
@8bitwiz_ 12 сағат бұрын
A DPDT switch would allow switching the DC blocking in and out. Be sure to keep the wires short, of course.
@TechBench
@TechBench 11 сағат бұрын
Agreed with the issue being the DC blocking caps. However, it is very likely that all the audio gear (including the high-end DACs) also have DC blocking caps in them. You'd have to remove DC blocking caps on _both ends_ in order to get the correct visual representation.
@lutzweb
@lutzweb Сағат бұрын
not an electronic engineer but played a lot with scopes, low frequency filtering was my first idea as soon i watch the video, great to see clever people are confirming this, and even finding the solution on the scope user manual page pointing to the condenser to be shorted out.. You are all amazing !!!❤❤❤❤❤❤
@keith_5584
@keith_5584 5 сағат бұрын
Blocks and its awesome remixes is still holding up as an awesome track. I am looking forward to giving the new EP a fair chance at the title.
@marktubeie07
@marktubeie07 12 сағат бұрын
_'This museum is not obsolete'_ KZbin channel would love this...!!!
@sjaool
@sjaool 11 сағат бұрын
You mean @LOOKMUMNOCOMPUTER ?
@marktubeie07
@marktubeie07 11 сағат бұрын
@sjaool He has two channels, the one you mentioned & 'museum', so yeah maybe I picked the wrong one. Cheers.
@sjaool
@sjaool 11 сағат бұрын
@marktubeie07 I know. He's like a crazy synth professor. 🤣
@cgoad
@cgoad 13 сағат бұрын
Hi Mat. A very Merry Christmas to you and yours! Thank you for all your work and videos. Here's to a great 2025!
@Albow58
@Albow58 3 сағат бұрын
Very interesting. I was intrigued with the oscilloscope in school back in the '70's and here I am watching it again all these years later. Thankyou for that and Happy New Year!
@MarkSynthesis
@MarkSynthesis 6 сағат бұрын
My immediate guess was "Is it the output on your laptop?" but that doesn't seem to be the culprit here as the comments show. Still, another fun little video, thanks and a Happy New year to you!
@edmaster3147
@edmaster3147 3 сағат бұрын
hooking up cheap external DAC's likely won't solve anything
@SeismicFrog
@SeismicFrog 13 сағат бұрын
Mid-Work Week Matt?! Yes, PLEASE. Merry Christmas and Happy New Year Techmoan. Thanks for another year of brilliance!❤
@lilithwingett9688
@lilithwingett9688 13 сағат бұрын
Use your oscilloscope in manual mode, the scope is trying to find the peak voltage and frequency and hold at those, what you need to do is set the voltage range and frequency range manually.
@DoctorQuarex
@DoctorQuarex 7 сағат бұрын
As far as I am concerned this is an excellent Demoscene video, so thanks for this! I was just asking the KZbin panel at Vintage Computer Festival Midwest last year why more of my favorite tech enthusiast KZbinrs do not make videos about these topics, haha
@DoctorQuarex
@DoctorQuarex 7 сағат бұрын
Oh you even mentioned it at the end! Hooray!
@joethompson11
@joethompson11 9 сағат бұрын
Love seeing more from these guys, can’t believe it’s been 8 years!
@Gadgetonomy
@Gadgetonomy Күн бұрын
There are some clever people out there! How on earth do you begin to create such spectacular images using noises, whilst still producing a techno style track. Extremely impressive.
@AndersEngblom
@AndersEngblom 14 сағат бұрын
So, they have basically made an extreme quality C64 demo where the audio itself is the code? Very impressive!
@HandyAndyTechTips
@HandyAndyTechTips 14 сағат бұрын
Wow, a Boxing Day Xmas present from Techmoan!
@jerobeamfenderson1
@jerobeamfenderson1 9 сағат бұрын
Great Video, thank you :D I'm pretty sure your oscilloscope is capable of displaying it correctly. The most likely issue is AC-coupling, i.e. low frequencies are cut off, leading to a "swimming" image. Switch your oscilloscope to DC-coupling and use DC-coupled audio outputs. (And check out the calibration info in the instruction manual!) Anyway thanks a lot for showing my work to your audience!
@diebesgrab
@diebesgrab 5 сағат бұрын
“the kinda people who used to watch demos on Commodore 64s and Amigas” Or the kind of people who port Bad Apple to frigging Vectrex. Yes, this is a real thing.
@Nick11625
@Nick11625 2 сағат бұрын
I remember the first oscilloscope music video from 2015! That was awesome. The very next day I brought my Macbook (which has a very good sound card) to school to try with an ancient HP analog scope. Everyone was blown away by that. It was a good time. Thanks
@syrophenikan
@syrophenikan 2 күн бұрын
Oh, I so miss the DemoScene days.
@tenchuu007
@tenchuu007 Күн бұрын
Superb video! What an amazing use of older tech! Thanks for sharing, Matt, and merry Christmas!
@mephitusincognito7918
@mephitusincognito7918 8 сағат бұрын
The demoscene is still very much around (you should see what they can make a chunky PC do).. and this isn't the only group doing scope music.. just the ones trying to sell it...
@sparkyprojects
@sparkyprojects 13 сағат бұрын
It almost looks like you may have your scope inputs set to AC when it's trying to display DC Like if you connect a battery to the input of the scope with it set on AC, the trace will centre Yes i know audio is supposed to be AC, but worth checking
@madmodders
@madmodders 12 сағат бұрын
It doesn´t seem to exist a switch for that. Looking at the schematic, you can input the audio into the XLR jacks on different pins. Probably for differential audio signal. One has a 10 uF capacitor in series (pin 3), while the other (pin 2) doesn´t. Perhaps you can use pin 2 in each jack to have the signal DC coupled.
@LilMissMurder3409
@LilMissMurder3409 13 сағат бұрын
Oscilloscope demos are among the most inspiring examples of utter, unsung genius.
@scottshedden5094
@scottshedden5094 2 сағат бұрын
Correct display requires DC coupling on the input but *also from the output*. Most low end, but also some high end sound cards/DACs are AC coupled. A MOTU M4 for example has DC coupled outputs and displays correctly on a suitable oscilloscope.
@bytesabre
@bytesabre 12 сағат бұрын
Demosceners are still creating things with limited resources, only now, on modern PCs at least, those limits are artificial and treated like a boxer’s weight classes almost, though are still creating incredible works on old school systems as well. Also you better believe that the scene are all over stuff like this, and if you like Jerobeam Fenderson I’d also recommend looking at the work of Bus Error Collective for a more visuals focused look at what you can get an oscilloscope to display
@DubSe7en
@DubSe7en 12 сағат бұрын
Reminds me of an amiga or megadrive demo. Always enjoy a techmoan music recommendation, the camera of sound album was awesome.
@Anon-su8wt
@Anon-su8wt 13 сағат бұрын
hi Matt, here’s some unsolicited advice. I asked my electronics engineer (retired) father-in-law. His comment: He isn’t using an oscilloscope; he’s using a fairly ancient Tek 760A, which is an audio xy monitor or vectorscope. It has AC coupled inputs, which is why the signal is centred on the screen, and it also seems to have auto- ranging gain control, so that wouldn’t help either.
@oleo007
@oleo007 8 сағат бұрын
I discovered this channel through the first video about oscilloscope drawings many years ago. Since then I have been following your channel, thanks to it I became addicted to vintage audio. 2:19 absolutely amazing,i need a audio osciloscope NOW !!
@lammjame
@lammjame 10 сағат бұрын
Hi Techmoan - Just wanted to let you know I enjoy all your videos and appreciate you making them.
@TheLtData
@TheLtData 13 сағат бұрын
A very i intelligent and mesmerising technique to turn sound in visuals. Love seeing this! Merry Christmas and Happy New year Matt!
@kay110
@kay110 14 сағат бұрын
DC coupling is your scope problem. It is incapable of displaying any DC or super low frequencies.
@merashallan
@merashallan 12 сағат бұрын
You need an oscilloscope with DC coupled inputs in XY mode. Yours is obviously AC coupled as things tend to return to the center.
@vincei4252
@vincei4252 13 сағат бұрын
Best Outro on KZbin.
@ptonpc
@ptonpc 13 сағат бұрын
Getting it all on a 3.5" floppy is impressive work all by itself.
@ImInterestedInApathyII
@ImInterestedInApathyII 13 сағат бұрын
Remember to change the kilohertz on the audio output on your Macintosh with the 'Audio MIDI Setup' app in the Utilities folder
@harleymatthews5091
@harleymatthews5091 Сағат бұрын
Glad youre doing a sequel video. Your first video was how i discovered this fascinating artform.
@NiddNetworks
@NiddNetworks 14 сағат бұрын
Happy Christmas Mat!!!
@charding4000
@charding4000 2 күн бұрын
This stuff fascinates me, thank you for the video and happy christmas Mat! 🎄
@paulstubbs7678
@paulstubbs7678 12 сағат бұрын
Ah, your problems are obvious - to me, it's not the top end your missing, but the bottom end, you need a DC link between the DAC and the scope. A proper scope, as opposed to a music visualiser, has a switch on the channel inputs to select DC or AC coupling. However even with that bit sorted, I think you'll find most DAC's intended for audio are going to have an AC coupled output, and any really low stuff, especially DC levels - all important to the sweeping lines - needs a full DC connection. DAC's especially the headphone driving type you had, don't allow DC as that would risk destroying the headphone drives, so anything below say 10Hz is eliminated as no domestic transducer would ever be able to handle it.
@TzOk
@TzOk 13 сағат бұрын
To see this demo, you'd need to set the oscilloscope to DC XY mode, which none of your *audio monitors* have.
@ThinkDifferentlier
@ThinkDifferentlier 12 сағат бұрын
It’s time for the Bang&Olufsen cassette deck.
@jbaldwin1970
@jbaldwin1970 2 сағат бұрын
I love the messiness and ghosting of the oscilloscope! It’s the vinyl to the executable’s CD…
@hrothgar014
@hrothgar014 2 күн бұрын
Shades of the ‘electronic tonalities’ from ‘Forbidden Planet.’
@hrothgar014
@hrothgar014 2 күн бұрын
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bebe_and_Louis_Barron?wprov=sfti1#Forbidden_Planet
@Syncopator
@Syncopator 3 сағат бұрын
You pretty much need an actual "general purpose" oscilloscope, and that's not what you have. As hundreds of people have pointed out, the scopes you have are AC coupled which is designed to center the displays such that when low frequency audio is the only content of the signals, it'll get moved to the center of the screen and that's causing the bouncing around. A general purpose scope will have an AC/DC switch that will allow you to see proper DC coupled signals. I used to fix scopes for Tektronix, and the one you have is pretty special purpose. If you decide you want to get a more general purpose scope at some point, an important tip-- make sure it supports X/Y display, really budget single-trace scopes might not. Most scopes that support two inputs (dual-trace) will support using them in X/Y mode. It's also possible that the audio output you're producing is AC coupled on the output side in the player you're using, which could also cause this sort of issue. I'm not sure what to do about that, it may be pretty common for audio amplifiers to AC couple their outputs. But, if they have sufficient low frequency response, they still may be able to handle the scope music without bouncing around. More testing there would be required I suppose...
@dominicbout
@dominicbout 13 сағат бұрын
DC offset correction on the audio signal will show up as centering on the scope. It's a matter of finding the component in the chain that's responsible for this.
@daveme3582
@daveme3582 11 сағат бұрын
This new NIN album sounds and looks amazing ;)
@KeritechElectronics
@KeritechElectronics 10 сағат бұрын
Always loving scope music and Jerobeam in particular.
@tanhockjun
@tanhockjun 12 сағат бұрын
Merry Christmas uncle Mat
@maplecinna3979
@maplecinna3979 6 сағат бұрын
the "shake" that the real scope gives the visuals is really trippy with the ones that function mostly properly. I bet especially in person.
@andymouse
@andymouse 8 сағат бұрын
Never seen one of these before and what better channel to find it on ! "The 760A stereo audio monitor, the audio engineer can analyze a pattern display of the stereo audio signal This display, along with a high resolution bar graph, provides accurate monitoring and measurement capabilities Used in both operation and setup, the instrument provides immediate feed-back of the audio signal for creative or technical correction With the appropriate test signals, the unit can also be used for accurate phase and amplitude measurements On the CRT and adjacent bar graph, you can observe amplitude information, stereo separation, and phase correlation between the left and right channels The 760A is ideally suited for use in editing suites, master control, transmission, and any other locations where monitoring the stereo audio signal is a must. Ultimate hippy trip machine lets all get out some Steve Hillage or better still an original copy of PXR5 !! happy new year !!!
@Pxrchi
@Pxrchi 13 сағат бұрын
Not sure if you mentioned it but I believe most of the visuals were produced using a more "oldschool" method if you will, using parametric functions instead of osci-studio or programs alike. Which is absolutely insane to me, I've fumbled around a little before (using reaktor and puredata, both of which are desktop programs), and it was such a pain to try and find the equations that work for producing the visuals I wanted. Especially things like the wave-like distortion eminating throughout things like the hilbert curve, and mapping the hilbert curve to a sphere. Not certain if parametrics were used throughout the whole album/project, but regardless still incredible.
@deepblueskyshine
@deepblueskyshine 13 сағат бұрын
This Tektronix is very specialized bit of equipment and thought it works the same as regular oscilloscope in XY mode it only takes AC input.
@BowsettesFury
@BowsettesFury 9 сағат бұрын
Would make an amazing video game too.
@darkstatehk
@darkstatehk 13 сағат бұрын
4:17 Classic Techmoan. [ _who cares what my screen looks like, worry about your own_ ]
@martin_soerensen
@martin_soerensen 13 сағат бұрын
Yes, audio scopes like this one uses a highpass filter so the display is always centered. It is not a problem with high frequencies but a problem with missing DC.
@mikeselectricstuff
@mikeselectricstuff 13 сағат бұрын
As others have mentioned, the issue us that audio stages are always AC coupled, so will always drift towards zero. the way to get the true images would be to connect a proper oscilloscope to the output pin of the DAC chip before any other circuitry. A way the creators could maybe solve this is for the signal to be composed of mirrored copies of the image in X and Y, so it always avarages to zero
@Richardincancale
@Richardincancale 13 сағат бұрын
Agree - that’s why the image seems to move around a central position on the screen.
@nematube
@nematube 13 сағат бұрын
Where's the disk with the Death Star plans?
@jasontaylor5893
@jasontaylor5893 8 сағат бұрын
Got It!!! (LITERALLY) See my lengthy reply for more info. Offering to try to get us all to collaborate. Despite floppy diks, this project will be fully operational 🤣🤣 EUREKA!!! I can't believe nobody else figured this out but me... it's the DC Coupling! 😂 I love what nerds we all are..."You see what's happening is (pushes glasses back up bridge of nose, continues doctoral dissertation), the flux capacitor..." Let's all collaborate on the mini, micro-budget, Laser Show version!!! "Who's comin' with me?!" Btw,. I invented Laser Shows ...Kidding, but my Mentor was the Legend himself, Steve Heminover!!! Yes, Laser Show pioneer, inventor of the brilliant LGRASS vector laser controller, and so cool... STAR WARS, he still has the Original, Actual System that displayed the vector graphics of the DEATH STAR attack briefing!!! It's a huge computer, but not much bigger than a womp rat 🤣. Come on, Techmoan. We'll make your own Mech-tone. Anyone who's interested, please chime in if you can help, and we can all make something fun (if we can convince our favorite tech nerds). I can personally contribute my experience and unique insights, which I used to create innovative laser projector designs. I need some help with the machining/3D printing, as I only have a small desktop diode laser engraver/cutter right now. Last point, I am aware of the unique scanning frequency limitation of physical x-y mirrors vs. an electron beam. Herein lies the great opportunity of a tiny and simple design, faster scanning bc of lower inertia from tiny size. Basically, we should be working to move from a galvo to a MEMS mirror like in DLP projectors. Thanks in advance for letting me nerd out too. If you're interested, please help raise the idea up and share how you'd like to help make it happen! -Jay
@iamperplexed4695
@iamperplexed4695 14 сағат бұрын
I don't think I have enough acid for this technology.
@Globoglobitos
@Globoglobitos 14 сағат бұрын
Thanks for this fantastic vid! Great way to start the day
@yohojones
@yohojones 13 сағат бұрын
Very cool. Happy Boxing day from Canada.
@FerHivore
@FerHivore 12 сағат бұрын
I’d highly recommend checking out Chris Allen’s oscilloscope music; it’s some of the most impressive I’ve seen/heard next to the duo who made this!
@simo.koivukoski
@simo.koivukoski 12 сағат бұрын
Commodore 64 and Amiga mentioned! ❤
@oddballno3-builds780
@oddballno3-builds780 10 сағат бұрын
I think what's really neat about the program that generates the pictures, the picture only changes the timbrality of the note so you can vary the note with the same picture.
@K-o-R
@K-o-R 14 сағат бұрын
Some of them look like the most nightmarish boss fights for an old arcade game. Awesome. 10:10 is just like the Andross fight from Star Fox!
@danpenner79
@danpenner79 10 сағат бұрын
merry Christmas
@richardh100
@richardh100 13 сағат бұрын
thank you for our fascinating video and thanks for the download link happy new year when it comes😊🎉
@harddriven1344
@harddriven1344 13 сағат бұрын
When beings from another planet arrive this device could be very useful.
@ecopennylife
@ecopennylife 3 сағат бұрын
Mind boggling to see & hear this experience 😊
@steubens7
@steubens7 8 сағат бұрын
on a scope for engineering you can select AC or DC coupling, the images are moving around because the audio ones are AC coupled. it's good to block DC in audio stuff. AC coupling applies sort of a moving average that keeps the voltage around zero
@Slane583
@Slane583 2 сағат бұрын
This oscilloscope music reminds me of that guy who took 3.5" hard drives and made them produce music with the write arm. That was also something that was pretty neat.
@jamesconnor7267
@jamesconnor7267 10 сағат бұрын
Love jerobeam, long time fan 😁 if i had money i would buy the ep but im planning to get the digital one somepoint next year🙏 thanks for covering this even tho u had wrong type of machine
@befoerderungsfall
@befoerderungsfall 12 сағат бұрын
Mat is back! And with a new gadget nobody needs but everyone has to have. I can now feed my old Hameg Oszilloskop with messages from outer space. 😅
@belexandru
@belexandru Сағат бұрын
I am pleased to see that Matt is feeling better!
@rarbiart
@rarbiart 8 сағат бұрын
there is AC coupling either on the Oscilloscopes and or the audio interfaces. So you need audio interfaces which go down to 0Hz, in order to provide DC offset, otherwise the horizontal/vertical lines will never be moving slow, but be autocentered. For the scope: Test it with some kind of DC source (battery with a 2 voltage divider resistors/potentiometer) to see if it's DC coupled.
@themightyimp08
@themightyimp08 13 сағат бұрын
Looks like the oscilloscope is auto centering which would be handy for everyday use, but not this use. The fact that the music won't really work on most oscilloscopes asks the question 'is it still really oscilloscope music' as it appears to really only work on a computer now. Still epic though, and it's interesting how many extra costs you incurred trying to display something that was sent to you with good intentions!!😊
@fixins
@fixins 3 сағат бұрын
I used a bunch those of Tek scopes for a long time. Makes me remember my days in linear tape editing.
@scowell
@scowell 7 сағат бұрын
Yes... DC outputs are not being displayed properly... your 'scope has no AC/DC switch, there is no Trace Position knob, no Centering button... lab and electronics scopes have these. Eight years ago we got Fendersen's first effort and played with it on several different devices... even able to get it to work on a microprocssor kit with OLED shield attached. Big fan of Jerobeam's, this new collab is awesome, thanks for posting.
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