Technical Art History: Using camera lucidas in painting class.

[@dejvrymes8335]

Simple but not much used tool to make acurate proportions. Thank you for showing to everybody.

[@melissawilkinson80]

I've been watching this over and over and I would just LOVE to see a mockup or photograph of the actual instrument you utilized. I'd love to know how to build the lucida exactly to replicate in my classroom! Please post or link?

[@andersgudmundson]

Here is my 3d model: drive.google.com/open?id=1bT49UQznmj1a8hxCZGaawiAw9CXzYE3v

[@MarkFiskeArt]

Hi there! I’m also an art teacher and would love to try this in class! How does this object work? I 3d printed the object. Would love to hear more about the new mount. Thanks, Mark

[@Franklin-eL]

Interesting. I just bought a neolucida and can't seem to set it up right for a left hand. When I try to trace, my hand seems to move in the opposite direction?

[@timjenison7842]

Anders, Great video! I'm glad you enjoyed Tim's Vermeer. I have a few suggestions after watching your experiments. Try moving the mirror closer to the easel and closer to the subject (Keeping the distances equal to each other to prevent parallax). Then you wouldn't have to stretch your arms so far, and you can see and paint details much easier. Also, it is very important to establish and maintain similar light levels on the canvas and the subject. I sometimes place a white card next to my subject (facing the light source) and another card flat against the canvas. Looking through the comparator mirror, adjust the light on the canvas and subject so the white cards match each other. The combination of natural and artificial light can be a problem because one fluctuates and the other is constant. Try to avoid using both at the same time. Tim Jenison

[@andersgudmundson]

Hi Tim! Great movie - your Vermeer! The reason for the long distance between mirror and subject was my preference only - I like the "shorter/tele"? perspective when working myself. Light was an issue of course and the short duration (two days) - but all in all a appreciated event. I have some ideas for a follow up on this subject (but in relation to the technique of Caravaggio especially the engraved contour lines in the painting surfaces - if you are interested in my theory PM me on Facebook or preferred way) Regards Anders

[@HondoTrailside]

Another issue, is making sure the easel and subjects are square to each other. Or one will get distortion, I believe (?). My easel is vertical, so that will be OK for me. I am just using the desktop experiments for now, you set-up is pretty interesting for a larger scale situation.

[@HondoTrailside]

Tim, if you get back here... Now that there are many artisans working with your equipment as part of your ongoing research, have you found a commercial source to the 710 mm objective lens? Has anyone else got a source? Extra points for Chinese origin, since they have the best delivery options to Canada.

[@brownjh91]

Tim -- do you have a recommendation on a source for calculating focal lengths/lens diameter to transcribe your subject onto the correct canvas size (as you did in fitting an entire room onto a defined canvas size, as opposed to a 1:1 scale copy)? I would buy a variety of lenses and experiment, but the large lenses get very expensive -- I'd prefer to be intentional.

[@timjenison7842]

​@@brownjh91 Hi Jacob, all the basics are here: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Focal_length and here en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pinhole_camera_model I have a source for low-cost 700mm lenses if you email me.

[@jupitereye4322]

How would you come about a large format? If its something 2m tall... I wonder...

[@jerrysetlerr770]

Your canvas has to match the angle of the subject in order for it to not come out distorted, in other words your easel should be straight up and down on a 90 degree from the floor . And the mirror should be the same distance from the canvas to the subject in other words a 45 degree triangle sort of speak.

[@rodneysmart9774]

The distance can be changed to change the scale. But square is correct

[@Fatamorgana1957]

Ett inlägg på svenska kommer här!🙂 Skulle vara kul att testa detta, finns det möjlighet till det?

[@Triflower_Andy]

guys, it just seems like using mirror to draw, can anyone tell me why artists training in this way.... please. 😄

[@shaolingangster]

Does anyone know the name of the mirror mount with the adjustable screws?

[@andersgudmundson]

drive.google.com/open?id=1bT49UQznmj1a8hxCZGaawiAw9CXzYE3v

[@shaolingangster]

You're a champ, Anders! Been using a mirror setup I built out of Legos (most accurate 90 and 45 degree components I could find) but now working on a more permanent/exact setup. Thank you, sir!

[@DoctorIontach]

Great to have some music from The Draughtsman's Contract, a film about the dangers of witnessing, but not seeing. :)

[@craiggorman906]

Hey...that`s great....At 4 years of age I too could join the dots, trace pictures and color in spaces.

[@liza-p3w9w]

realy did you take the short bus to school?

[@liza-p3w9w]

someone is going to lose an eye with that mirror so close

[@armandopereira2183]

Hello, Good morning. I really enjoyed this painting demonstration with the technique of mirrors. I would like to ask two questions, can you please send me answers? 1 - Was this model of technical instrument adopted, its be built in the School of Art, or its was purchased? 2 - You can send to me the reference so I can find one for me, or can you please send the template so I can build one. Thank you very much. I wish you all the best and Congratulations to all. Armando

[@andersgudmundson]

Sorry about the delay, I've made an improved version of the old mirror mount suitable for a standard microphone tripod. 2 stl files here: drive.google.com/open?id=1bT49UQznmj1a8hxCZGaawiAw9CXzYE3v

[@nguoichitrich6927]

must be long hand ,i don't think its working.

[@stu7604]

I am not a painter. I would hate to try and sign my name at arms length... let alone try to paint a picture.... I love this concept... but in many, many documentaries... I have never seen artists paint at arms length.

[@blallikutube]

Oil brushes are longer than watercolor brushes for precisely this reason: to extend one's reach (I am a painter).

[@ravenshadowz2343]

@@blallikutube, that's not true not all oil brushes are long handled, on a painting that size I use a short handled brush, and for large paintings then move to long handled paint brushes.

[@GiuseppeRomaqwytttt]

Povera Arte mia , io che disegno e disegnerò sempre a mano libera. Ora la pittura è divenuta uno passatempo per tutti!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[@gimnasiumclub9175]

Giuseppe Roma , l arte non è tua, anche io dipingo e disegno da bimbo... ma sono d accordo con quello che affermi, voglio ricordarti però, che anche Leonarda da VINCI lavorava con questo mezzo... e a quanto dicono non solo lui!

[@romulusbuta9318]

@@gimnasiumclub9175 "Leonardo lavorava con questo mezzo"...get the fuck away from here !

[@gimnasiumclub9175]

@@romulusbuta9318 you must inform yourself before speaking

[@gimnasiumclub9175]

@@romulusbuta9318 Leonardo usava degli specchi ottici, gli stessi che abbiamo oggi in commercio , più elaborati. QUINDI COLIONS, prima di mandare a fare in culo gli altri.. vedi di rimanerci tu , in c.. so ma ro , che altro non sei!

[@romulusbuta9318]

@@gimnasiumclub9175 beato me che non conosco bene la lingua tua....lingua di merda !😁

[@othoapproto9603]

the Auto-tune of art, people learn to draw without cheating.

[@pentogram23]

The camera man made me dizzy with his weavings about...

[@paulmax3185]

Am I the only one who found the pretty young women the most interesting part of this video? What a class!

[@hansstrik4704]

Johannes Vermeer lived more than 350 years ago and was very poor, he had also to take care of more than 10 children,due to all the suffering he died very young, let’s hope that the use of a camera obscura will not blame him, he has given us beautifull paintings which are admired all over !

[@vmangani]

No explanation. A camera moving about. People painting. A waste of my time.

[@HondoTrailside]

The good bit is the set-up for a full scale easel; Demo of how to teach this in a class with minimal equipment; Commentary from Tim Jenison; STL files now available for the device.

[@superchargedVR1]

This is ridiculous just use a transparency on an over head projector.

[@HondoTrailside]

In these instances, they are painting from life. You would have to photograph, then print out, then color correct for the projection, etc... It would not be cheaper, faster or more accurate to do it with the method you suggest. This was a 2 day vacation from their regular work

[@lawrencestanley8989]

Great video, but I swear 3D printers are going to ruin craftsmanship in woodworking, metalworking, and the like. Dependence upon automation always destroys talent and ability.

[@JannisAdmek]

Lawrence Stanley thats not true, how do you explain painting than more than 200 years into cameras?

[@kcajmortsnnew1488]

habit

[@HondoTrailside]

Woodworking tools are all about destroying talent and creativity, and empowering it. An interesting question is what is this tool a "mold" for. Even something as simple as a 1" wide chisel is a mold for that cut, flat across it's width. It isn't a gouge, or a v-grouver. Hand planes function at multiple levels, but some of them are very programed: A given width; curvature in two direction; and the sole length determines the lengthwise curve it can make for a given blade projection. There is a lot of craftsmanship in designing in 3 dimensions. I build boats and while computers really speed up the calculations, and limit many shapes, it is still a highly skilled process to think in 3d and keep all the factors in check. Automation is like when you set up a machine station to do one thing over and over, for speed, quality, and economy. 3D printing is special because it can automate non repetitive tasks. That puts it in a different class. You can dream up something that never previously existed, then make it. Not exactly the assembly line. Though over time, the files will cover everything we normally need, and we will be automating life. It can lead to a higher standard of living though. What if clothes actually fit, and were detailed like the finest hand made suits, and I really mean the finest. Those skills would be replaced. And we would never get new deep clothing, that was really deeply rooted, we would have old forms, and whatever transient crap follows...

[@juliocruz8353]

Y esas roñas son artistas jodidas técnicas .i.

[@amirpashashabestari8464]

WEAR SOMETHING !

[@kcajmortsnnew1488]

i wannabe a ardust......but i have no talent , and i don't want to do the work

[@GOLDSMITHEXILE]

then you never will. Believe me, if you want to be an artist it takes work work work lots of discipline, andrelentless practise. I learned the hard way, I went to art college 40 years ago thinking "talent"was enough to "make it" and didn't apply myself and got messed up with drugs etc, just wasted a great opportunity. "Working" really is learning to overcome our natural inclination for laziness.

[@Montecitodesign]

Yawn. This should be informative and interesting, but telling a story on YT is itself an art.