Automatic Record Changers: We used to like them

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Hmm. What were these things? Why were some record sets made to work with them? When did we decide we hated them? Was that the right call? Will I ask another question?
These are the things you’ll learn in this video, where we explore the humble record changer. Seriously. They didn’t suck!
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[@SyntaxInflux]

That record drop at the end, amazing! Even if you wanted to time that it would be extremely difficult and I like you genuine reaction after the credits about it.

[@TheMonDon1721]

agreed!

[@taylorwoolston8856]

Trial and Error

[@Kalvinjj]

Quite a reward after all the mess with the Sunbeam toasters

[@EnygmaRecords]

I was wondering how many takes he had to do to get that timing right!

[@FiXato]

And I read your comment at just about the same time as it happened in the video. 🤣

[@nnnomenclature]

Can I just say I'm hard of hearing and the subtitles on your videos are always excellent (accurate, well timed) and I love the extra little jokes and things you put in during audio based sections. It gives your videos so much character and really gives the sense that you think about the experience of all your viewers. So thanks!

[@iamjamieq]

Did you see that ludicrous display last night? Brilliant little easter egg!

[@joeydurant6267]

I can't help but read subtitles or really anything... I soght read music so glancing at regular words is easy... But I had noticed that his subtitles are superbly placed and I'm very particular about that. Timing matters so much. If the text is in too big chunks it can ruin punchlines or surprises... If they are too late you're distracted from the action trying to read what happened a split second ago.... He has gotten the goldilocks zone for subtitles down to a science.

[@automatedelectronics6062]

The reason for the sequentially numbered records was not only for playing on a drop style record changer but also for the convenience of playing an entire album set on the radio. Back in the late 1960's, FM stereo radio became more common. Into the 1970's it was common for a radio station to play an entire album through. With single disc albums, to make a seamless transition from side one to side 2, you had to have 2 copies of the album. Most radio stations had 2 to 3 turntables and could have the next albums cued up in sequence. Well into the 1970's and even 1980's, most syndicated radio shows were on LP's, like the "Dr. Demento Show" and "American Top 40". The LP's were numbered so that side 1 would be on one LP and side 2 would be on the next LP, etc. These LP's were banded, so at the end of a section, the program would stop so you had time to insert your own commercial, station I.D., etc. While the inserted item played, you would cue up the next section in sequence. With the latest multi-disc albums, this convenience feature has been long forgotten. To pull off continuous seamless sequential play, now we record the albums digitally and play everything in sequence. You can also insert announcements at any point.

[@themilkmon]

Wow, that "drop" sync in the patreon part was on point.

[@pingumcping]

I thought it happened after the point had returned to it's resting place?

[@onyx8231]

it's been a real life _changer._ Video waiting to dr- _(*plop)_ -op.

[@EdgyShooter]

"The first record charger to really find a groove" I see what you did there ;D

[@Madness832]

And just before the that (~2:27): "...getting records to play upside-down." The inventor was from Australia. :D

[@re-agent9364]

I don't please explain

[@Compgeek86]

I specifically paused the video to come down and salute that pun

[@Compgeek86]

@@re-agent9364 records work by having 1 long groove in a tight spiral that covers the entire surface, they are played by a needle sitting in that groove and amplifying the ridges and valleys to make music

[@raydunakin]

That "chastise audiophiles" check box literally made me laugh out loud!

[@sammy20024]

Plus the "Get On With It" right underneath! He struck comedy gold!

[@johanwilhelmsson1199]

"This website that I found" is subtle comedy gold.

[@BuzzLOLOL]

Still have my 1970 Garrard changer with synchronous motor, like a 120 volt electric clock uses, so that it always played the record at exactly the correct RPMs... It was also loosely built (compared to a German 'Dual' brand) so could cope better with records of slightly different thickness... (Never heard of a 'Glenburn')

[@JoshLederer]

BuzzLOLOL b vvvjjbjh

[@Awesome_Aasim]

[citation needed]

[@DoctorX17]

The man is a genius

[@ImDemonAlchemist]

​@@BuzzLOLOLWhy did you reply to this comment with that? Did you mean to?

[@polymetric2614]

"did they just suck at numbers in the 60s?" *label says 1974* took me multiple replays to get that

[@johnhpalmer6098]

Likely the LP seen was a reissue from 1974, even if it was initially issued in the 60's.

[@johnhpalmer6098]

@dandanthetaximan OK, I was wrong. Because he was talking about multiple LP sets of the 60's and not being familiar with this particular LP, I assumed it might've been a reissue, when in fact, it's a US pressing, not sure if original or not as London is used here in the US, Decca in most of Europe, thanks to Discogs, though it may still be a reissue, but a later issue, perhaps from the late 70's or early 80's, assuming it was issued that long.

[@lefunk22]

If you look carefully: "1974" actually pops up in small letters on screen near his face when he says that. So he clearly noticed the error after recording the video then added the pop-up graphics to appear at that moment, rather than doing a vocal re-dub or re-shooting video just for that one tiny moment.

[@KairuHakubi]

Man they sucked so much at numbers in the 60s they printed the wrong year!

[@michaeltaylors2456]

I feel like I’ve joined an elitist secret society .. I know the true nature of the term album

[@MrSonofsonof]

I'll let you into another secret that nobody else knows: the whale isn't really a fish.

[@StephenFasciani]

We're a club. We're a group. We can take a vote on issues. We can be a secret to society And no one else can join Unless they wear funny hats.

[@well_as_an_expert_id_say]

@@StephenFasciani I wear an ass as a hat, can I get in? (:

[@aaronryder4008]

I was thinking the same!

[@BradiKal61]

I feel old because Ive lived long enough that the term was in wide use when i was young

[@timgheys]

The drop was awesome. Should have seen it coming. Great timing.

[@Broccolli1500]

The hints of salt and sarcasm are what make your videos amazing. Also ridiculously well made, keep it up!

[@cowsongs]

Loved the video. I am old enough to have owned vinyl record collections in the 60s and 70s, and I had turntables. There were some very *nice* changers in the 70s by higher-end brands like Dual that would more gently move the tone arm around. Some were cleverly designed to run the turntable at one modest speed during the changing cycle and only run at the selected speed while playing the record. And I recall seeing some models (maybe... Gerrard?) that would actually stop the turntable while lowering the next record from the stack, so there was absolutely no slipping/scratching of the disk as it dropped onto the one below it. While there probably is very little to no damage from dropping a record onto the spinning one below it, the real problem was in the way people handle stacks of records they are placing on the spindle. Even with care, as you stack up records in your hands, they rub over each other sideways and everyways before you get them on the spindle. And as you pointed out, if there is dirt in between the discs when the next disc drops onto the spinning one below it, it is going to make scratches that you will hear. And there is ALWAYS dirt on records. I don't hate record changers. I thought there were mechanical marvels. And even though I never used them because I could see and hear the wear they caused on my records, I don't begrudge anybody who has more fun with their music because they can put on a stack and enjoy their records.

[@Videoneer]

"The Fu-" *cut* LMAO! Totally took me off guard, thank you.

[@Fetidaf]

Me too lmao legitimately laughed out loud

[@mykeprior3436]

Secret to humour is surprise

[@745morning]

@@mykeprior3436 so random does equal funny

[@uiopuiop3472]

i am not homeless thanks to god

[@Derpy-qg9hn]

@@745morning Carefully-applied random, yes.

[@ralphhoskins2115]

Love this video,, I’m 43 and have used record changers to play my records my whole life....I was amazed by them as a kid,,, and still love them today... great job man

[@K-o-R]

12:10 And just like that, I'm suddenly on The 8-Bit Guy's channel.

[@stevenjlovelace]

I'd love to see Anders Enger Jensen make some digitally smooth jazz.

[@MikeSharpeWriter]

Or Tech moan's channel!

[@RCAvhstape]

Who here does not subscribe to 8-bit and Techmoan? The internet is a big place, but sometimes it feels so small.

[@dominateeye]

Now we just need The Science Elf to make a Tech Connections reference and we'll have come full circle.

[@BigOlSmellyFlashlight]

@@dominateeye science elf..... oh my god

[@vlycop7404]

the "another video waiting to drop" and the vinyl drop was so sync it's uncanny Oo 17:31

[@felixc543]

I'm sure he had to do many takes to get the timing just right

[@t5o7m]

@@felixc543 | no, --that was the serendipity of it, --and he mentions that in the outro :)

[@brokenwave6125]

@@t5o7m He made it pretty clear in the outro that it was planned and he was excited he finally nailed it.

[@Jaymac720]

“Cheaper ineloquent hunks of ‘ok i guess’” is one of my favorite lines on this channel

[@colintomlinson4577]

And if you were playing one record (single or LP), you could leave the arm over to the side (in the position it would be when loading records onto the spindle) and use then use auto for repeat (it would go through the motions of dropping the next record, but then play the same one again). Now to show my age, even more than the above paragraph: instead of "audiophiles", I heard "audio files" and wondered if there was some sort incompatibility issue caused by the changer!

[@Tahngarthor]

In fact he uses "audio file" as a joke in another video referring to a sound effect record album: "It's the only audio file guaranteed never to start an argument."

[@mechanicalmusic]

True with most of the later machines where you manually selected the size, but those with auto-size indexing, that didn't always work. It could end up playing the record at 7" or 10" even if it was a 12" record (or like my Garrard 3000, at 12" if a smaller record was on) as they depended on the record falling past a size sensor/lever to determine size.

[@tracer60]

I seem to remember (having been born 1960) seeing at least one that had another microswitch on the record stabilizer to detect it's lateral position, making that unlikely on at least that one machine. It had to have been manufactured very shortly before 1960 because i think it was nearly new when i was born.

[@pearce554]

I went looking for a 30-second clip to explain record changers to someone and I stumbled on this. Not what I was looking for at all: but I was immediately gripped. I love this to bits.

[@pearce554]

Hi, me again. I came back and am watching this a second time. I still love it to bits.

[@jonathandevries2828]

love the eye roll when talking about audiophiles lol

[@Lauren_C]

Next photographers need to be targetted for shunning smartphone cameras. 😝 I'm a photographer, please don't hurt me...

[@JacobFrey]

Well, the true fact is that once you start playing records that are stacked on top of other records that are resting on the platter, the Vertical Tracking Angle of the stylus has changed. If you're particular about how the turntable is setup and really care about the measurements that dictate how to get the best sound, then you wouldn't care much for changers. That said, the changer is more convenient, so some humans will take that tradeoff, as pointed out in the video. Nothing wrong with either argument.

[@vladg5216]

@@JacobFrey It also depends on the stylus that is used. Back when these record changers were popular, people exclusively used sperical or conical styluses, which are not affected by vertical tracking angles. Now that everyone is using fine-line styluses, VTA matters, so these record changes would affect the VTA too much from one record to the next.

[@subtledemisefox]

audiophools

[@firesurfer]

@@JacobFrey Nobody cared or even understood the concept.

[@K-o-R]

That thing dropping the records down the chute... AAAAAAHHHHHHH.

[@the_original_Bilb_Ono]

I have some of those 78rpm records from the 1920s. And they are heavy as hell for their size. I dropped one and it broke. It reminds me of when Tom and Jerry would hit each other with them.

[@kkonstantinosss2]

@Writer B.L. Alley Then you'll need a record player for your record player, and your record player for your record player will need another record player and the record player on your record player will need another disc and then another for your record player's record player.

[@Code7Unltd]

I don't know, I find the fragility of records to be quite "groovy" myself.

[@AriaPosting]

@@the_original_Bilb_Ono 78s are more brittle than normal records because they are made of shellac instead of vinyl. If you drop a normal lp they rarely break

[@the_original_Bilb_Ono]

@@AriaPosting yes, and I believe the shellac material was intentional for amps wasn't a thing yet, instead there was Victrolas with the cone thing (forgot it's name atm) so you want the record to be as loud as possible so the needle itself would vibrate more intensely. If you play one on a modern system with a pre-amp it's extremely loud and metallic sounding. That classic victrola sound from old timey movies. Unfortunately all the ones I have range from horrible to very very horrible condition as they was inherited down my family. They sat in my grandmas old house for some 40 years or more before I found them in a pile of junk. They have interesting titles which fit with those times. The songs sound almost ghostly when I played them. It's kinda strange gearing music which was recorded around 100 years ago.

[@Jaymac720]

"I don't know, Winnifred, this seems pretty complicated" Some of your lines make me laugh way more than they should

[@punzzle8213]

“…to really find a groove”. I love it.

[@SidShakal]

13:22 "Yeah, I can't hear it either." Same. Though, what I'm hearing is also digitized, compressed, and played through a cellphone speaker, an audiophile's nightmare. 😛

[@theblackwidower]

You must have a genuine Edison phonograph from 1852 to truly appreciate music.

[@SidShakal]

@@theblackwidower You must be the musician to truly appreciate a piece of music, for what are instruments but yet one more distortion of the artist's vision?

[@redoverdrivetheunstoppable4637]

had decent headphones on and no difference spotted, honestly the head of late turntable works with vertical and side movement mixed to a 45° angle (left and right), the diamond tip is possibly conical, so basically varying the inclination would turn in just a slight mixing between channels... that i can't give a fudge less... except maybe a bit of wear more on the disc due to the inclined tip inside a waved track (but they wear out anyways)

[@charlescampuz5812]

SidShakal Now that’s what I call: Bullshit! Most people don’t notice the difference when you compare the raw file to it’s compressed version, so why bother?

[@richardmorgan1588]

Thank you for keeping it real. I confess to having a little north of normal costing music playback system in our home however I started with very humble beginnings. By the time I first saw record changers, I had already owned several record players. The first stereo record player I owned was a record changer with detachable speakers. I LOVED that record player. It didn’t harm my records so much. I listened to them over and over and over! Records are remarkably durable! I have the toys I have now and I love them; however I have loved it every step of the way! Every music system I’ve had from my first transistor radio to now has been a treasure to me!

[@thomasking1490]

'Audiophiles hate them' Hold my beer...

[@randomsomeguy156]

Make sure to add a known name Edit: scrap that, a foreign name

[@jamesrindley6215]

Directional cables please.

[@maksuree]

@@jamesrindley6215 don't forget to split each cable into a pair of "balanced cables"!

[@reginalb124]

@@maksuree Charge 5 figures for said cables.

[@StopChangingUsernamesYouTube]

Add wooden knobs to improve the warmth and depth of the auditory oscillations, and I'll pay AT LEAST $20,000 for such a marvel of audio-magitech engineering!

[@StephenHind]

"The first record changer to really find a grove" - appreciated and slipped in without fanfare!

[@NicholasSouris]

Agreed, glad I wasn't the only one to catch that. I half expected that meme with the grey and white dog with the cheesy grin.

[@mikegilbert2329]

I remember when making cassettes of a stack of my favorite 45s the sound of the mechanical changer would travel down the tonearm and end up on the recording. The only way to remedy this was to babysit the session and pause the cassette recorder between records when the changer was in motion.

[@sneskid78]

Dual mostly solved this with the addition of a simple mute switch that automatically engages and shorts the cartridge outputs when the auto function starts cycling. The cartridge remains shorted until the auto cycle is complete. I say mostly, because you can still hear a very brief click/thump type sound as the vibration from the mechanism is transferred through the platter right before the switch is engaged, and then again right after the switch is disengaged. But the sounds of the arm moving as well as the loud “pop” sounds that occur when the stylus is lifted off the disc and then set back down on the next disc, are muted.

[@dcampagna1772]

Right, and you would want to do that anyway because you’d be wasting tape, especially if you’re trying to cram both sides of an LP on one side of a 90 minute tape.

[@8MoonsOfJupiter]

"Chastise audiophiles" - check! LOL :-) I really like how you can take a seemingly simple concept (a mechanical record changer) and explore it in such an interesting and fun way as to make it a fascinating journey of discovery. Great work - one of your best (and funniest!) videos yet.

[@markusbocker2027]

Perfect timing with the "drop"... Entertaining and informative as always!

[@KNfLrPn]

Glad he said it was real because it was definitely too perfect to believe.

[@ksaspectre]

Timestamp please

[@markusbocker2027]

Here we are: 17:32

[@ksaspectre]

@@markusbocker2027 Thanks! Have an amazing day

[@pearce554]

I just watched this again and I still love it to bits. I was using automatic record changers before you were born: but this is a brilliant piece of documentary filmmaking that took me right back to when that was all we had. All power to your elbow.

[@KurosakiYukigo]

That cut off "the fu-?" made me laugh so hard, since you're the type not to swear. It really captured the sheer confusion of the situation.

[@RetroDoneRight]

I actually rewound it to double check.

[@BigOlSmellyFlashlight]

@@RetroDoneRight same

[@ptyzix]

Timecode?

[@buddyclem7328]

@@ptyzix 0:12

[@chrismcghee4867]

12 seconds in I’m laughing and absolutely hooked.

[@Bootleg_Jones]

*AUDIOPHILES HATE HIM!!!* Play multiple records in a row, automatically, with one weird trick!

[@Wolf-Spirit_Alpha-Sigma]

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[@fireaza]

You son of a bitch! I wanted to make that spam banner reference!

[@jakeblake231]

Once the single-most important item in their system begins to age, ( their ears), they will change. I did.

[@bobrobert1123]

What about toenail fungus

[@VixieTSQ]

Them*

[@gworfish]

It's a weird experience to see a short documentary on something I grew up with. I don't feel like I'm old enough for the era of my childhood to be of historical interest. Really liked the look at the cams and such inside. My dad never let me take his turntable apart.

[@Dogsnark]

I know what you mean about not feeling old enough for things I once took for granted to be considered historical now. The record changer…I’d almost completely forgotten about these, but seeing them again they don’t seem so ancient. But show one to a teenager now and they wouldn’t have a clue. Time flies.

[@LevyNeptune]

I really loved that checklist bit lmao

[@fiverZ]

Dammit, I can't find it again in the video. Do you have a time stamp for it?

[@artistwithouttalent]

@@fiverZ 11:41 □Introduce Subject □Review History □Demonstrate Use □Explain Auto Sequencing □Chastise Audiophiles □Get On With It

[@paulcoddington664]

Stacks of records often slipped (huge wow would be understatement) and possibly had tracking angle issues (audibly irrelevant for low end systems). Problems were made worse when some discs in the stack had warps. Some turntables had a short lever that the record edge brushed against as it dropped to detect the size (by measuring degree of deflection, a lot for 12", less for 10", none at all for 7"), so you could stack any combination on such units. Garrard had a range of turntables like this (they had interchangeable short/long spindles for manual/automatic and a lever for flipping a double sided stylus over for 45/33/16 vs. 78 (the latter needs a wider stylus). Some records had thick raised ridged rings around the label to prevent slippage, but this meant the bulk of the disc was effectively floating in the air unsupported (probably also audibly irrelevant on a low-end system, might even make things better if the underlying record had a mild warp as it might sit flatter). Wider cartridges would rub against the ridged rings when they reached the end groove, making a horrifically loud and unpleasant buzzing sound. I suspect one reason why higher end turntables would not have such features (apart from issues with stacking, warps, slippage, etc) would be KISS (easier to make a reliable turntable with accurate speed and low rumble if mechanism is kept very simple).

[@petergathercole4565]

I was going to say the same about the raised rings around the label. but I have seen the rings not only raised, but also as a series of raised dots that would engage with the next record rather like cog teeth to keep the whole stack locked together. Also, one other feature of these dots (at least on EMI records in the UK) is that they were spaced so that when observed under a filament lamp run at the prevailing 50Hz when spinning at the normal speed, the dots would apparently appear still due to the strobe effect of the light, allowing you to judge the speed accuracy of the turntable. One thing that was not mentioned was that all of the autochangers that I have seen used rim-drive turntables, where a rubber wheel would transmit the movement from the motor (using different sized section of the spindle for the different speeds) to a lip on the bottom of the turntable. Rim drive turntables tend to rumble a lot more (because of the physical contact between the motor drive mechanism and turntable), and if the rubber wheel gets deformed (for example if it were left engaged because of a power failure), it causes an unpleasant speed 'blip' each time it goes round. The other undesirable feature compared with the most audiophile accepted turntables is that each bit of mechanical linkage on the turntable and arm can introduce drag (as you pointed out) but also slackness in the tonearm and turntable bearings, which can lead to loss of clarity in the stereo image (something that Anders Jensen's synth music would not really show). You only appreciate this if you've actually listened to some half decent audio setup with naturally recorded music (binaural recording, for example). If you've not heard this, it's difficult to appreciate what you're missing, and you don't miss what you've never had! The bearing movement was not really an issue when ceramic cartridges were in use, which used to track at a downforce measured in 10s of grammes (often set with a spring rather than a counterbalance). But when moving magnet cartridges came in, they generally tracked at under 10 grammes, so the heavy tonearms were not suitable. In fact, I'm surprised that your Glenburn was fitted with what looks like a Shure moving magnet cartridge. I have seen belt and direct-drive turntables with auto stop and auto return mechanisms (but not autochangers), but the comments about drag and play are still relevant, which is why audiophiles want the simplest drive and bearing mechanisms possible. And yes, I know about what is acceptable to the masses is good enough, but that does not prevent those people who have the opportunity for hearing audio at it's best from striving to do so.

[@goodun6081]

@@petergathercole4565 , excellent comments. I am an audio repair technician who frequently fights with the boss for taking in potential repairs that we really shouldn't be dicking with at this point. I just repaired yet another Dual fully automatic turntable (a 1241 record changer) , which arrived with damaged audio cables and hum issues, and those turned out to be the least of his problems. Someone else had changed the belt to a completely wrong size, and played around with the adjustments. The lubrication was gelled up and the lubricated sleeves and bearings of the changer mechanism were almost completely seized, which in my experience might actually be the result of a chemical reaction between the metals and the lubricant. The Speed select and associated belt lifter mechanism which transfers the belt to the correct part of the stepped pulley were sticky and wouldn't reliably work right to the very end of their ranges, and they are also linked to the cam- screw adjustments for the pickup and set down points, which are Interactive. The platter is one piece, with just a couple small cut-outs, making it difficult to observe the operation of the motor pulley and belt and associated mechanisms. The service manual contains numerous errors and the explanation of how the various adjustments work is very poorly written. Exact Original parts are of course no longer available, and the aftermarket belts we have (from somewhere on the internet) that are supposed to be exact replacements for nine or ten various Dual models didn't work correctly, and we had to search through hundreds of our own belt stock to find something that would work correctly. It's just not worth working on these things. I did get it working reliably, and it sounded pretty good, but these types of units are always a headache. I'll take almost any basic belt drive semi automatic turntable, a Technics or Pioneer or whatever, over one of these things. Or better yet, a fully manual turntable. A Rega, a Linn, or even a Pro-ject or U-turn..... I also shudder when people bring in any kind of turntable with Servo Motors to operate the tonearm. Many of these units use optocouplers or special LEDs or various photosensitive devices to read the arm position and/ or to sense the size of the record on the platter, and many of these devices are no longer available.

[@PjotrV1971]

My parents used to have a front-loaded record player. It couldn't handle multiple records, but it was able to play both sides of the record without the user having to flip it over physically, due to it having an upside down stylus on the bottom side.

[@lucysaltgirl]

The first album I had to deal with having weird sides was Tommy - and I didn't notice well into Side 4. As a concept album, I was completely confused by the story's inconsistency.

[@ZGryphon]

Heh, when I saw _WarGames_ the first time, the theater showed the reels out of order. I still don't really understand that movie's narrative sequence.

[@FernieCanto]

"As a concept album, I was completely confused by the story's inconsistency." After you finally listened to the records in the correct order, you were *even more* confused, I'm sure.

[@scatteredfrog]

Heh. Try the first album by Stephen Stills' Manassas band. It had sides 1 and 3 on one record and 2 and 4 on the other!

[@tilleye3774]

>Australian inventor has trouble getting his design to work. "Likely due to difficulties in getting records to play upside down."

[@Attacknun]

It's okay, even in order it can be a little hard to follow.

[@moonchild4806]

Man you cranked up the sass meter and I love it.

[@HolyAvgr]

Dude, you took the words right out of my brain. The sass is off the charts. *Awkward pause as I reach for another set of records*

[@bugalaman]

Your videos are too damned smart, and that's why I love them.

[@Dasher_The_Viral]

As awesome as this video about automatic vinyl playing is, can we please take a moment to appreciate the fact that the album that he chose to demonstrate with; "Retro Grooves Vol. 3", is absolutely FANTASTIC!?

[@JadeNeoma]

I suspect its just one of the few things you can get as a vinyl record that doesn't get copyright struck by youtube

[@Solitaire001]

What struck me most about the track "Discovision" is that the track features the voice of Leonard Nimoy from a film promoting the, then, new Discovision player.

[@KingBobXVI]

"...another video waiting to drop-" *_kthunk_* _Nice_ timing there, it's almost like it was scripted :P

[@tracer60]

And i wonder how many takes it took to get that just right .... lmao!!!!

[@d3210210]

Had to re-watch that part, just to be sure that actually happened.

[@kmfnj]

17:30 -- this guy really has it together!

[@macstevins]

I just noticed too, the song starts when the stylus hits the record

[@EElgar1857]

There's also a raised "bead" around the outside of most LPs, to keep the grooves from actually rubbing.

[@davealthoff4914]

...plus the label in the center. Once I saw a demo where someone cut a sector out of a record, stacked it on another record and demonstrated how a sheet of paper can fit between the stacked discs.

[@dbeierl]

@@davealthoff4914 until it gets a little warped, anyway.

[@johnfrancisdoe1563]

Dave Althoff Not an easily repeated demo, as the teacher has to buy new records for each attempt.

[@goodun6081]

Simple physics principles such as inertia ---- an object in motion tends to remain in motion unless acted on by an outside force ---- will explain how, when the next-in-line record drops onto the record that was previously placed on the platter, although the falling record might indeed land on the raised bead around the outer edge of the lp first, the center of the falling record is going to want to keep traveling downward, and the flexible nature of the LP, especially with records that were manufactured with thin vinyl in the early and mid 70s due to the oil crisis and the vinyl shortage, means that the center of those records will invariably Flex downward and contact the spinning record that is already on the platter. Any dust in between them will tend to get ground into the grooves, and you know that having all those records sitting on a tall spindle above the record that is actually playing are going to be subject to static buildup from the interface of the stylus and the record being played. Yes, the air pressure created by the falling disc might cushion the blow a little bit, but the static charge of the records will likely prevent the air from blowing any of the dust away, and indeed it might force the dust and dirt deep into the record grooves. And then, consider the fact that so many record changer turntables were built with massive tone arms that either didn't incorporate anti skate, or had fixed anti skate that wasn't adjustable and could not be set to match the tracking force of the cartridge and stylus being used. Sometimes the tonearm had no tracking Force adjustment at all. Many of these turntables couldn't be used with any type of cartridge other than the one supplied by the manufacturer, often a cheap ceramic cartridge with minimal fidelity, tracking at many grams or even a large fraction of an ounce of pressure, and combined with enormous side-to-side friction in the arm pivot mechanisms and bearings, the tonearm and cartridge are capable of producing maximum record wear. When you can't change to a better sounding that would be gentler on the records, can't adjust the geometry of the stylus position using a quality turntable setup gauge ( in order to achieve lowest possible distortion and minimal record wear), can't adjust the anti skate and perhaps can't even adjust the tracking force, this is not a device that you want to be playing your treasured records on! Not to mention that so many record changers were designed with Rim Drive (idler drive) that simply by virtue of its design has fairly high wow and flutter and transfers enormous amounts of motor vibration, AKA rumble, into the platter and into the cartridge where it could be reproduced (with difficulty, and causing intermodulation distortion) by your amplifier and speakers. While I appreciate the engineering challenges posed by these devices and the work that went into making them function, the sound quality from the majority of record changers is mediocre or even in the best-case scenario, not much better than average. And as an electronic technician who has been repairing vintage audio equipment for decades, I can tell you that the serviceability of these machines, 40 to 70 years after they were made, is extremely poor, time-consuming, and expensive.

[@goodun6081]

I don't believe 45 RPM records had a raised bead around the edges. Also see my other longer post below.

[@QoraxAudio]

11:40 "Chastise audiophiles" 😂🤣

[@godofbiscuitssf]

I never did understand the audiophile attitude about vinyl because I've never seen anyone do laser measurements of the center-positioning of the disc they would listen to as an upper limit of the absolute lowest wow they could possibly hope for. ;)

[@QoraxAudio]

@@godofbiscuitssf Meh some audiophile do center positioning. They have a device for it, it's called the Nakamichi TX-1000

[@icarbonised4655]

What the actual everliving fu-

[@jl721ATcairn]

Part of the purpose of the raised label/edges was to minimize the potential for damage on a changer. I have a Technics SL-D5 myself (look it up).

[@efandmk3382]

The purpose of the raised edge was to move the stylus inward to the lead groove and not fall off the edge. the fact that it helped keep the groves of two discs from touching was just a happy coincidence.

[@danieldaniels7571]

John Lasher nice! That’s a quality changer that I would use. The BSR in this video is a shit show that I would not subject my records nor ears to. The issues are none of the things he mentions aside from damaging the label near the hole. It’s the crap quality stylus and cartridge, the arm on top that can scratch the records, and the ridiculously high tracking force of that awful tonearm. Problems your Technics doesn’t have.

[@jimb032]

Just got. Sl-d5 in 2019! Inherited some records from the folks, want to play them. 😀

[@cameronwhitaker3509]

Thank you for the great segment on the VE10-50! I purchased one from a junk dealer about a month ago and am currently restoring it mechanically. It's missing many parts, but I have had great luck in finding them thanks to the awesome phonograph community. Awesome video as always!

[@elizabethsullivan1894]

"By this time, we had already decided that cylinders were the Betamax of sound formats..." I don't know why, but that line cracked me up for some reason.

[@robsemail]

perhaps because a Betamax cartridge was hidden in the on-screen image right after he said it.

[@im1fadedRob]

"Most humans will happily make sacrifices to quality for convenience." Preach.

[@russellhltn1396]

Exhibit A: The audio cassette. Not originally designed to be a replacement for HiFi open reel tapes, but it ended up there. Convenient? Check! Quality? You're joking, right? I mean, better than 8-track maybe...

[@aSpeedbump]

Hence, MP3's

[@Clay3613]

@@aSpeedbump MP3 is great, I can fit an artists whole discography into 32GB! Now try that with something like FLACC or Orbis, impossible.

[@russellhltn1396]

@@aSpeedbump A good MP3 will outshine a number of formats, and can come very close to the best ones. www.npr.org/sections/therecord/2015/06/02/411473508/how-well-can-you-hear-audio-quality

[@mybigfatpolishlife]

That's why VHS won

[@JamAttack]

Lmao I thought he meant Audio files like .wav and .ogg until I saw it written out and I was so confused.

[@Christopher-N]

Audiophial ≈ phonographic cylinders. I just made that word play up. Phial is British spelling of vial, which is basically a cylinder (permanently sealed on one side). I can't be sure how common the 'ph' spelling is over the 'v' spelling; *Periodic Videos* might be a good channel to ask that.

[@EpicB]

Maybe he's giving audiophiles too much FLAC.

[@zethcader6478]

@@EpicB Nice.

[@LukeRemirez]

"Did you see that ludicrous display last night?" That one got me. Girly giggles.

[@GabrielGonzalez2]

What was Wenger thinking sending Walcott on that early?

[@nthgth]

The thing about Arsenal is, they always try to walk it in.

[@proffesionalweredog7426]

time stamp?

[@Innomen]

"Automatic beyond belief!" /this channel's "LET ME SHOW YOU ITS FEATURES!" X) /100% ok with this

[@REDxzak]

@the slingshot channel

[@fieryweasel]

"Did you see that ludicrous display last night?" That was a great addition.

[@slaughterround643]

8:11 "They're like photo albums..." A good portion of your audience: "what's a photo album?"

[@clarenceboddicker6679]

A Photo album is a music album recorded by the band Photo

[@henryrichard7619]

It’s the group thing on my photo app

[@andrewdubose9968]

Gooby pls

[@jacobmccloskey171]

Look at this photograph

[@ic_trab]

@@jacobmccloskey171 *shudders*

[@olimations]

I actually still use a record changer, a HMV stereogram from 1966, lovely piece of craftsmanship.

[@thedoc.6819]

I used to have a one as well, it went in 2000 as I didn't have any automatically coupled record sets, the belts broke and I became a bit more of an audiophile.

[@lofibri]

Same here! A Dual 1219 that has been my main player for 20 years. I love it

[@manFromPeterborough]

is the '66 HMV a Caprice model?

[@olimations]

@@manFromPeterborough No it isn't, it is a stereomaster model "2020" although it is very similar to the model "2018" which is mostly what you will see online

[@SomeShavedSheep]

The captions are spectacular. Just. Thank you

[@MrDaftJustice]

This is the highest quality content youtuber ever. You, Techmoan and LGR make the holy trinity. Followed by The 8-bit guy

[@MisterTalkingMachine]

The Holy Squad

[@ButterfieldEric]

TC is basically my brain with tons of time to research and take apart what I am curious about.

[@gslim7337]

A neat "trick" I use to do to my brother's record player was to select a 12" disc, then put on 7" single. Amazing sound use to come out of the rubber mat.

[@potatosordfighter666]

What if you made a rubber slipmat that actually had a song or message on a groove in it?

[@RosePhoto1]

I remember spinning the player by hand as a kid and watching it go through its motions. Great content as always!

[@phatmanxxxl]

I did that too.

[@sixstringedthing]

0:33 I like the way he subtly roasted himself by briefly popping up the "1974 Decca Records" trademark off the label while he was suggesting people sucked at numbers in the sixties. And then followed up with "well, a few people did". Top notch understated humour.

[@olipito]

Man, you just made me discover that my old dual 1209 has this feature too, and it works!! Love you!

[@elsandosgrande]

You're lucky!

[@cmiller4505]

@Kali Southpaw Like I mentioned in my comment, many don't know that there were quite a few high quality changers out there in addition to your average run of the mill changers. Dual was one of them. Many of them are highly sought after today. You got a good deck there. Enjoy it 👍

[@johnspink6957]

This was how we created a playlist in the 60s & 70s :-)

[@pjimmbojimmbo1990]

I never used my Changer as a Changer, I removed the stack spindle, put in a Snub, and then locked the Leveling Arm out of the way and used it as an Automatic Single Play.

[@ToonamiT0M]

I'm an 80's kid, and I love learning about the tech I grew up with. Keep up the great content.

[@GlennMartinAKAMrBadAxe]

12:07 Anders Enger Jensen branching out from appearing on 8-Bit Guy's channel

[@Colaholiker]

He has also appeared on Techmoan's channel too. This guy is everywhere. Now I'm afraid to open my fridge.

[@breakpack]

Open your fridge, prepare to get groovy!

[@organfairy]

I wonder why. My theory is that it has something to do with copyrights....like if he is willing to let (selected) KZbinrs use his music without getting their videos muted for copyright infringements.

[@FernieCanto]

RetroGrooves (That Don't Sound Particularly Retro At All), Vol. 237.

[@pineappleroad]

@@organfairy there is actually a small selection of tracks, which he has created SPECIFICALLY for KZbinrs to use in their videos (the tracks I am on about are intended to be used as background music), as long as appropriate credit is given, of which these tracks can be purchased as a download on Bandcamp

[@keymbord]

5:45 FINALLY. I found a notched spindle a long time ago in a bucket of free pins and I could never figure out what it was. Thank you!

[@Free_Samples]

I absolutely love your channel and content, please never stop making videos.

[@Lanthanideification]

Yeah, he's getting the tone and humour just right.

[@RodLofton]

I 100% agree. I f&%$ing love this guy. His humor is top notch.... and he's also informative!

[@GentleMannOfHats]

I almost read that as "please stop making videos"

[@fmaz1952]

08:04 "awkward pause as I reach for another set of records"... Lol, you can be my friend anytime.

[@JohnPepp]

The thing I didn't like about Record Changers is after time they sometimes wouldn't work properly especially after you had used the record player for some time. They sometimes would drop more than one record or drop a record on the stylus accidentally when it was playing another record.

[@majorramsey3k]

I've only had that happen with 180G records. Too heavy. I don't recommend stacking those.

[@TexTom1981]

BSRs were notorious for that.

[@jimmeadows8046]

Another problem with wonky record changers --- when the tonearm didn't quite land at the beginning of the record, but dropped down just outside or inside the record's edge. Probably an adjustment that could be made by someone who knew how the insides of these record changers worked, but that wasn't me as a kid.

[@1Dropboys]

You're so much more comfortable in front of the camera, really Improves the quality of your content. Good stuff man :D

[@stacyjackson9225]

I miss my stacked for playing my 45s. Yes, I still play my 45s when working out. It makes me young again.

[@shelby3822]

Ok so new Techmoan is just more VUs so I can hold off and watch this first 🤔

[@zacharyc6549]

Wym those VUs are sexy

[@TheDapperDog402]

I watched Techmoan’s VU video first. (Mainly because I noticed it first)

i'm flabbergasted you mention some other channel .. that guy you mention can't hold a candle to this channel and his presentation of historical information and context. Tech Connections isn't just showing off gear and puppets.

[@Muzer0]

@ Yeah, how DARE people be interested in more than one KZbin channel. Jesus Christ.

[@kandigloss6438]

@@Muzer0 look at the person's screen name, it's obviously a troll account, as the old saying goes "don't feel the trolls".

[@eliot6775]

"The first automatic record changer to really find a groove..." Hah. Good one ;)

[@justice_w6]

That checking off of the "Chastise Audiophiles" caused me to read it out loud while having quite a nice chuckle. Thank you for that, sir.

[@rubellanremasters3888]

In case it hasn't been mentioned in the other comments, the danger of damage to the record is further minimized by the fact that the outer lip of the record and the label area of a record are wider and thus actually help prevent the grooves from touching at all. I am an audiophile and in the 1970's Technics made audiophile grade changers. I have a few of them and love them! But they used a different design, seemingly because people felt placing the stabilizing arm on a record was bad. They used an "umbrella" type spindle which allow stabilizer arm free stacking. Problem was you then had to manually select how many records are on the spindle rather than let the stabilizer arm inform the table when the stack is empty. I love changers and it's a shame the last mass produced ones were in the early eighties. I would love to see a company produce a high quality stacker today, but either way I'm happy to have my various stacker/changers that I use nearly every day. And that comes from an audiophile.

[@sporkafife]

After watching this video with English captions on, I wonder what other gems I've missed in all the other videos I've watched without captions...

[@Phiyedough]

I live in Croatia where a lot of TV is in English with Croatian subtitles. I often look at the subtitles to check the spelling of characters names. For example, in Dr House I discovered that his boss was really called Lisa Cuddy whereas I had previously assumed her name was Cutty and they were doing the usual USA practice of pronouncing "t" as "d".

[@paulthepainter2366]

In the last 10 years I picked up the hobby of refurbishing vintage electronics I'm glad to have found a tutorial video to show those who want to follow in my footsteps

[@SuperCookieGaming_]

again and again you prove that with hard work anything can make a fascinating, high quality video. I am continuously impressed by your work. You deserve have at least 10 million subs.

[@ChristopherJones-ck2zh]

Automatic Beyond Belief should be your new channel banner

[@silhouettoofaman2935]

Dude, the timing of that last part... BRILLIANT!

[@MattMcIrvin]

"Factory Showroom" is an underrated album.

[@medes5597]

It's an interesting album. A tmbg fan once described it as like half a Linnell solo album and half a Flansburgh solo album. Which actually is a really good description.

[@songsmith31a]

From the UK - home of hi-fi zealots who worship at the shrine of wow, flutter and trackign weights. I applaud this venture into the realm of the auto-changer, one of those amazing inventions from way back that I still enjoy via my mid-50s mono Pye Black Box and its BSR Monarch auto-changer, having spent decades moving through the realm of hi-fi up to and including CDs and all their much-touted qualities, the best of which are their extended playing time - greatly appreciated for the enjoyment of those long orchestral works without the constant need to change discs and reducing the chances of damage to the discs themselves.

[@cowcannon8883]

Anders Enger Jensen did the disco vision song he also does 8 bit guy's intro songs Coincidence? I THINK NOT!

[@CompetitivelyCasual]

That sync of the word "drop" with the record dropping was AMAZING

[@MGlBlaze]

The timing at 17:30 is perfect. For the example you made with the sound quality of the LP on its own vs stacked on top of six other records; there is a little bit of audio difference (in Discovision I think the distortion on the keyboard (I think it's a keyboard) is a bit harsher on the later one) but the difference is minor enough that I can't be entirely certain I'm not just imagining it. The Dancing Hearts example was almost identical; the only difference was that the instrumentation was a little louder with the single record, and that could have been due to any number of factors NOT related to the cartridge angle. Honestly, not a big sacrifice for the extra convenience of being able to play a stack of records in a row without having to swap out every one individually yourself.

[@johncoops6897]

You noticed it because of the VIDEO. However wIth your eyes shut, aka "Blind Testing" ,you would never know which was which, nor even that there was any difference whatsoever.

[@dcampagna1772]

True, but for many people, this would be coming out of a pair of Realistic speakers from Radio Shack. The difference in audio quality would be imperceptible.

[@spaxxor]

Part of the problem is KZbin's reprocessing of audio. I heard it too, and I don't know if KZbin ran over the differences with a rolling pin, or just made that one more extreme. However as a record snob (really the only "audiophile" thing I can claim) What stacking records would accentuate is record grooves that are cut deeper for a higher amplitude, the angle becomes rather important the deeper the record groove.

[@acefox1]

Great video. Brings back so many memories of my parents big console record player at home.(imagine a big wood console with dinensions of 3’h x 18”w x 4’ l) Remembering their record changer made me remember they also had an adapter for 45 singles. It was a little bigger than the cardboard in a toilet paper roll that would fit over the record changer spindle. You could stack 45 singles and the changer latch would trigger the 45 singles adapter and stacker. Thank you for this video!

[@DoubleMrE]

I'm old enough to remember when these were common. I'm actually a bit surprised the record you played sounded that good when stacked onto 4 other discs. In practise, people seldom stacked more than 3 records. When stacking more than that, it was quite common to have slippage. The top record could slow WAY down. I remember it happening to me a bunch of times before I got wise to it.

[@triggrhaapi]

As an audiophile, I accept your chastisement.

[@jamesrindley6215]

I used to be one but I'm better now.

[@MrWombatty]

It's more about how well your records survived being played by these sort of turntables as the tracking weight needed to be on the heavy side, plus if there's any warped records, stacking them will exaggerate the 'wow & flutter' (generally these stacker-turntables were no where near as good as Hi-Fi turntables were to start with)! While not capable of playing more than a single record, in the 1980s Sharp produced a vertical linear turntable that could automatically play both sides & select tracks!. Techmoan has a video about purchasing an unopened RP-114 turntable, & what needed to be done to get it going; kzbin.info/www/bejne/q5C8cqB6l6qohsk

[@jamesrindley6215]

@@MrWombatty High tracking weight does worsen wear on records but the most awful damage comes from mis-tracking and a poorly shaped stylus that will just destroy the grooves. Ironically too little tracking weight can sometimes be worse than too much because it causes mis tracking.

[@MrWombatty]

@@jamesrindley6215 Good point! (No pun intended!)

[@mattspokane]

That was a well made video. As someone who grew up in the 70s when those were standard, I was expecting to possibly correct you on some of your explanation. But, indeed, I think you got it all right. One tiny thing thing you alluded to, but didn't specify, is that some of the record changers had a little buttons that stuck up under the platter. That's how they could tell the size of the record. My nonworking console record player has that on it. That would allow you to stack records in any size order you want.

[@XOIIOXOIIO]

I appreciate the subtle find a groove pun. Also, damn you're showing off at the end.

[@godofbiscuitssf]

When I was a very very little kid (I had to stand on my tippy-toes to peek over the top of my aunt's console stereo to see it) I was fascinated by the record changer! It was what got me hooked on tech, I think. It got me hooked on music as well. You never know what it's going to be.

[@imjustlooking888]

My 61 year Magnavox has my teething marks on the ridge of the console where I would look 👀 over watch in complete awe of the changing mechanism! I FEEL you!

[@ivanvazquezsisamon]

I need that LASER TURNTABLE review in this channel ASAP.

[@justanotheryoutubechannel]

I can hear a tiny, tiny difference between the record in difference positions. But it’s so tiny and imperceptible thar I honestly couldn’t care less about it. It’s honestly astronomically minor. What I noticed more was how incredible the record sounds! That has to be the best record I’ve ever heard! No analogue noise like a cassette, no crackles, no pops, it’s incredible!

[@bobcarn]

Then again, it was a song named "Discovision" seemingly about an electronics device. The record was probably only ever played once. LOL

[@danieldaniels7571]

That’s how the majority of my records sound. Cracks and pops are from misuse.

[@VideoArchiveGuy]

Not at all; that minor difference is why high end turntables have adjustable VTA and if heard with properly set VTA would cause you to select one cartridge over another.

[@richkurtz6053]

@@bobcarn Discovision was MCA's first Laserdisk player, although why they produced a demo LP is wierd.

[@bunkie2100]

The typical cam changer mechanism depended upon a pivoting arm that gets pushed by the tonearm, triggering the record change function at the end of the side. After a while, the oil used to lubricate this would harden and the arm would resist the movement of the tone arm. Because the arm is contacted by the tonearm before the end of the record, the result would be a repeating skip on the last track. Back in the day, I fixed many such record changers with this problem by stripping most of the mechanical bits, cleaning them with a solvent that, long ago, was banned for it’s aggressive carcinogenic properties, and re-lubricating before reassembly. BSR turntables were particularly susceptible to this sticking problem. Whatever one might say about these changers, they were easily servicable with only one real wear part, the rubber idler wheel that connected the motor pulley to the platter. I could do a full turntable service (including disassembling, cleaning and lubricating the motor) in about 15 minutes. Fun times!

[@ChuckMillerTheWriter]

One of the problems with the changers - especially if you're playing 45's on them - is that although the first record in the stack has full contact with the turntable, the second would only have its label resting against the bottom record, meaning that second record does not have the same amount of turntable surface contact. When the tonearm plays the second record, the only thing that's keeping that record spinning is the contact that label makes with the bottom record. Now add a third record - and then a fourth. Before long, there's more pressure from the tonearm to hold the 45 in place, than there is to spin the record on the turntable.

[@seankkg]

Thanks for putting the music credit on, few videos I wanted to know.

[@coreyaudet9656]

I'm psyched to have found you! I'm 48 and the stuff you take the time to share is very interesting to me. Thank you. I wish I could support all the deserving channels out there, but my humble truth is every week I have the choice of an empty fridge and internet or a full fridge and no internet. So here I am... hey, you gonna finish that sandwich ??? ;)

[@ScaredPilot]

In China you say important things three times, so here comes the third for emphasis: Most humans will quite happily make sacrifices to quality if the experience is more convenient.

[@xenonram]

Speaking of China... A fourth... Most humans will quite happily make sacrifices to quality, if the experience is cheaper.

[@BigOlSmellyFlashlight]

@@xenonram...four

[@alantrimble2881]

@@xenonram I thought Americans were just addicted to cheap Chinese products. Then I vacationed in France. My wife and I were looking at shoes in a nice boutique in Paris. The shoes were all made in China. I said to my wife, "It's just like home. Everything is made in China." The shopkeeper (who, unlike most Parisian shopkeepers, spoke little English) obviously understood what I said and just nodded in defeat.

[@HamburgHarburgHH]

Please make a video about Dual Record Players from Germany! They made the best Record Changers in the world!

[@davidlogansr8007]

Hamburg Harburg I agree! Except for the early 1015 models in which the “umbrella spoke inverted” record holder often failed, but by the 12.. series were sorted out. I have both including a working 1015!

[@windowsuser321]

I have a 1264 and a 622 - the 622 being single play only, but they give me the impression that as long as you replace the belt (1264), stylus, and steuerpimpel - they'll run forever (And you don't have to bother with the steurerpimpel if you don't care about auto functions).

[@HamburgHarburgHH]

@@windowsuser321 I have a 1249, the last record changer model dual built. And I have a fully working 1010 from 1964.

[@JMRSplatt]

Never stop with your amazing captions. I love it.

[@blankfrankie3747]

That's cool and all but can it be retrofitted into a 2018 Tesla X? I lost my man bun in a coconut oil fire and I need to get my hipster cred back

[@chappyslaphappy1578]

Show your bowtie-wearing friends how a real man puts on airs

[@RCAvhstape]

I thought real hipsters rip all their records to mp3 and then brag about they are listening to "vinyl"?

[@AriaPosting]

2 words: Crosley cruiser

[@rt.hinkel]

Helium Road that only works when it’s FLAC or OGG

[@grandetaco4416]

I remember someone telling me about a TV host back in the mid-60's (before 8 track) boasting that he could listen to music while in a tunnel because he installed a record player in his car. Could you imagine the massive skip that would occur if he hit a pot hole.