Keynote: Jaron Lanier

[@anarchoautism]

This guy is a vital voice in this unprecedented technological age

[@chutcentral]

For real. Needs to start working out though or he ain't gonna be with us much longer!!

[@anazurik9736]

Jaron for President of the Universe! Hidden Treasure.

[@JackTheRabbitMusic]

I give Jaron a lot of credit for going out in front of THIS crowd. Holy crap. If I ever had people this rude in my audience, I would stop the show and go home. Jaron - LET's JAM DUDE!!! 🐰❤️🎸🎶🤝

[@plutarchtheoligarch1657]

Just discovered this bright, joyful soul last year, and ever since I've been watching all of his interviews, discussions, and lectures. I just bought his book, Dawn of The New Everything. I can't get enough of him.

[@clarkpalace]

Why my fellow humans are not making more time to listen to both this long format video and this unique and original voice of Jaron Lanier

[@pleasedt0welcome]

God bless this man, I hope he has many decades ahead of him so he may continue to educate us

[@doctordilanka]

Thank you so much for uploading these for folks like me who couldn't be there. Much appreciated! Always a pleasure to hear Yoda speak.

[@kennbmondo]

Outstanding!

[@exposurelogisticsltd3259]

This guy is all I want to aspire to be. I know this is outrageous to say but he is like a God to me when it comes to information on computer science. The way he explains his stuff even an uneducated fellow will get him right away.

[@marshallhawks6787]

After listening to Jaron speak, I feel this amazing swell of gratitude every time I learn something on chatGPT for the millions of people who's data made that possible.

[@hadjseddikyousfi00]

One word: Genius!

[@smileandhope3381]

I can’t believe I just found this

[@SuperTonyony]

A Universal Basic Income is primarily about eliminating crushing poverty. Note the word “Basic”. The overwhelming majority of people would never be content to scrape by on a UBI and would most likely hold down a full time job.

[@OscarWrightZenTANGO]

I have never heard Yang quote Jaron - he has quoted MLK and Milton Freidman....when Freidman talks about UBI, it is a powerful arquement !

[@CraigTalbert]

The Q&A here is very good.

[@martinzelaya2927]

My best conception of humanity has been inspired by gene Roddenberry for most my life. Organic is indispensable.

[@antoniodomene]

Brilliant mind..:-)))

[@BoboftheEarth]

That guy at that beginning needs to wrap it up

[@nickpearce2968]

He got no respect from anyone lol

[@filmerd]

STOP TALKING

[@damnitohwell9563]

HAHAHA When Jaron put his hands over his head and held them there, looked around the room, like wtf man shut up lmao!!

[@stevegerben7805]

Fascinating

[@Natures-Rhythms]

First off, Mr. Lanier is clearly a visionary. I am going to explore this idea of MIDS because it sounds like a possible solution to many of our digital dilemmas. I can't help but think though that the value from this collective would be scraped by the people who design and run them ... like in recent years with crypto exchanges or most of the financial services sector really. The algorithms designed to run them are almost, by their very nature, black boxes. In other words, what kind of design would keep them honest brokers? I'm not against this idea but would like to improve upon it through attack. And why the heck aren't more people part of this very important conversation? 30k views from 4 years ago? Uh oh, the algorithms are making me grouchy. Gotta check myself before I wreck myself.

[@brianbee1123]

Language is alive and here is an example: "Lets go Brandon".

[@Fergusonguitar]

55:50. Jaron is a hilarious dude.

[@yajmediajustice7238]

This guy should debate against Yang

[@ChironChicago]

Yes, and I think they might agree that a form of UBI can co-exist with Data Dignity. The reason for UBI is that not everyone goes online and the reasons for Data Dignity are many, as Jaron cites, including the anchoring of income to the market, creativity, value, professional reputation, pride in one's work, etc.

[@3rdMHomes]

Talk starts at 3:02

[@sicknado]

Is it not more bizarre though that "the algorithm" brought me and Jaron together?

[@artgaragecustoms]

Imagine this: I got thousands of MIDs because I helped developing VHS tapes but now it doesn’t have any practical value would I die penny less???

[@marshallhawks6787]

The discoveries and inventions that made VHS possible are not exclusive to VHS technology, they were building blocks to progress to the next technology. The idea for CDs didn't appear out of nowhere. The methods for recording analog data using magnetic fields way predated VHS, and discoveries made to introduce VHS are still applied and useful today. For example, telegrams are obsolete, but their invention was integral to the communication devices of today. So long story long, your contributions would still be valuable. Metaphorically, as a brick in this tower of knowledge that we're building. Your pension would be certain.

[@seamuswarren]

Hehe, the squad IS right wing. 👍🏼😎

[@BobbyRoybal]

Andrew Yang's Freedom Dividend doesn't provide a Universal Income, but a baseline from which individuals can then build a financial foundation to use as a floor for capitalism. He want's to take back the funds from Data companies, and give it back to us as a dividend, (Money owed to us by the use of our data). A Value Added Tax, imposed on companies and paid not to the government but to the people. #Yang2020 I love his perspective and he could work with someone like Jaron, to make a plan that works.

[@paulbrigham359]

Does UBI lead to Rat Utopia Experiment results.

[@doctordilanka]

Around 52:00 Jaron talks about a royalty based system instead of Universal Basic Income - I'm afraid I don't completely understand what he's talking about there. Anyone care to explain?

[@TNJX]

It's the idea that the government provides each citizen with enough money to cover their human societal needs, Housing, healthcare, transport etc giving them the breathing space to create businesses, or create monetizeable art.

[@keywestling]

He's talking about a royalty-based system that relies on valuing data that people provide. He references the translators who are currently not valued because their work is effectively stolen for an AI that needs a constant feed of new translations while we pretend that the AI can do all the work. In the new system, through regulated intermediaries he refers to as MIDs, each person would collect a portfolio of data that they provide - some specialized like translations, some not as specialized - and would receive royalties based on the generalized value of that type of data.

[@doctordilanka]

@@keywestling Thanks! I think you nailed it 👌🏾 Very interesting way to look at it, I might say!!

[@tomsmyth4836]

Sort of poacher turned Gamekeeper....in a way. Great mind though, I will give him that.

[@sanakan1337]

Hello LaMDA!

[@michaelbasher]

How about a person's use across the internet is their own domain name..?

[@joezawinulreviewsandreacti2509]

He made it sound like Chomsky is dead

[@cyberpunkworld]

[@PreciousBoxer]

Antitrust. NIT > UBI. I'll have to do further research on the concept of MIDs. I like the terribly overdue idea.

[@DragonSpikeXIII]

1:10:08

[@soulquakesystem]

What concerns me about the mid economy is it will be very unbeneficial to people who are in the lower part of the Bell curve when it comes to intelligence. Somehow it seems we will always need to grant a large part of the population some sort of basic income without expecting any return. I don't hear Jaron discuss any solutions to this.

[@mrroberts9230]

People on the higher part of that bell curve would be on the lower part if it were not for those on the lower part.

[@tjsweetwatertruth]

this man has clearly spent zero time in the middle class and what jobs are allowing him to sit here comfortably numb to the real world, the underground and highway and airways that he has no idea is being done by skilled tradesmen who gets next to nothing in return for their skills.

[@TNJX]

Dinner service while he talks what the heck. What an awful intro for Jaron to live up to. Who are these uninterested people looking at laptops and wine glasses? I hope this man finds somewhere he's better appreciated and understood.

[@Panckeswitcheese]

hes talked in a bunch of places imo the more the merrier

[@avidodd26]

don't worry, he was well paid. also if you listen closely, you will hear the crowd reacting to his words.

[@3rdMHomes]

53:25

[@PreciousBoxer]

@59:40 Is the person asking this question an economist, or think economics is a true science? I believe it was Milton Friedman who once said, "Fundamentally, people have a great misconception. Physical capital is not really very important. What's really important is human capital." Meaning, us and our data... unless I've miscalculated something.

[@mrroberts9230]

By the definition of science, it is a science.

[@co101]

PPP Anyone?

[@cyberpunkworld]

Tech Policy?? Good luck enforcing it... Tech Policy is to: present well-defined problems, and then produce solutions. :))

[@globnomulous]

Who on earth clinks and clacks dishes during a lecture. What on earth kind of boor?

[@Bittrio]

Bitcoin fixes this.

[@phiavir5594]

Lol

[@TypingHazard]

Lanier is pretty clear on his distaste for cryptocurrency. Mining BTC stands to decimate the ecosystem.

[@Bittrio]

@@TypingHazard Turn off all your lights, electronics, washer, dryer and never take a car ride or plane trip ever again.

[@nicktaylor5264]

Someone else who doesn't understand what either socialism or capitalism are. He's also totally wrong about needing monetary reward to drive creativity, and given that he works in tech, I find it completely weird that he can still misunderstand this. His take on UBI - that it is essentially bread and circuses is a fair point, but what we have now is circuses and no bread. We already live under unaccountable tyrannies. "Employers", in the old sense of the word, but the tyranny of the stacks is leaking out into other areas as well. Try being a seller on Amazon sometime. Capitalism in essence is a hierarchy of power-asymmetries. There can be no freedom in a system where some people hold the power of life and death over others. He's been saying interesting things based on massively flawed assumptions for a long time. I'd like to be able to agree with him, but really can't.

[@mescellaneous]

all this says is you don't believe in capitalism.

[@nicktaylor5264]

@@mescellaneous a) no it doesn't b) all your comment says is that you do. "Believe" I mean... because capitalism is a matter of faith for you right? - fair enough in some ways, because at this point, there's fuck-all else holding it up.

[@mescellaneous]

@@nicktaylor5264 pure capitalism doesn't work. pure socialism doesn't work. when you say "He's also totally wrong about needing monetary reward to drive creativity", that literally means you don't believe capitalism, of any strictness, works. capitalism trickles into creativity by letting you know your artwork is "bad". you will get less work. socialism will mean people just ignore you or forced to pay attention anyway, if it's "bad". capitalism sucks, but it also works.

[@nicktaylor5264]

​@@mescellaneous Presumably if something is "pure", it can be defined. Define (pure) A) Capitalism B) Socialism. (and then) C) Experience pangs of doubt that you're getting into an argument that you're not going to win.

[@Chimpywashere]

Can you elaborate on the monetary incentive drives creativity part? I feel you’re trying to imply something, but you don’t go into any detail. Why is he wrong about it?

[@fredschwentafsky2641]

Basic income is the only thing worth talking about....

[@curtisnixon5313]

Must be very annoying trying to give an impassioned lecture to a bunch of people stuffing their faces with dinner.

[@redrowolloftnod5230]

The audience sounds disrespectful with all the eating. Seriously, could they have just used plastic ware. Sounds narcissistic and yuck. Made me irritable while I watch this video and I am going to go join a cult now.

[@CraigTalbert]

They were just hungry and it wasn't mic'd well.