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[@LostCauseAJ]

Instead of feeling like I'm going from 2.7->3.0, it felt like I went from 2.7->2.8. They didn't take any risks

[@edgarkrisnayoga1606]

I guess that $20m did something huh😂

[@Dusk-Cycle]

​@@edgarkrisnayoga1606 They have some to spare since they multi-billion company but Dawei's 8th sports car will be delayed a bit.

[@ashiqprio2485]

​@@edgarkrisnayoga1606didn't they lose 20 million after 3.0 update

[@xehanort04]

amphoerus has been the biggest region so far wdym

[@edgarkrisnayoga1606]

@ yeah, it was a joke😂

[@Satoraido]

wtf happen to Duke Inferno and his Annihilation gang? u guys remember that? what happen to them? He has four known children: Akash, Dubra, Caterina, and Constance.

[@VEXX1]

If you go back and watch the annihilation gang trailer it makes it very apparent they could be in amphoreous, caterina gets talked to about drowning them in their golden ichor which is the blood of chrysos heirs in amphoreous and duke tells Constance to seal them in the remembrance’s tomb which is a major path in amphoreous

[@anishjangade5600]

Yeah they got kaboomed and wete never mentioned again

[@anishjangade5600]

​@@VEXX1penecony was there destination and acheron killed everyone expect that succubus that what i think

[@viabhavgulati5474]

​@@anishjangade5600no she killed duke inferno. The others fled . Only he didn't throw away his pride and run and accepted his death.

[@VEXX1]

@@anishjangade5600 nah penacony was dukes destination not his children’s, Constance corrupted black swan into taking the express to amphoreous so his children can carry out his legacy

[@Alnard]

Fully agree, HSR story, long as it is, relies on building stakes without having any. Edit: Not killing Adventurine was ridiculous given how they built up his oncoming death. Robin not sacrificing herself in any meaningful way was ridiculous given how they built up her upcoming death/atonement. There's plenty of examples similar to this now.

[@hxppythxughts7149]

Imo post GGZ and HI3 early story right after Himeko death, mihoyo seems don't have the gut the kill important main cast again. If there would be a character death, it would be a character outside the main cast that got added out of the blue just to be killed, only to "show" how dark the story was

[@ixShuriken]

They were in a dream 😭 But your point is still correct

[@keyboardwarrior8905]

​@@ixShuriken Yeah the whole plot of Penacony was a bad dream😂

[@rrxphvel871]

It was pretty obvious that nothing would happen to Robin, but adventurine surprised me as well, but he‘s lucky I guess.

[@phillyjones3028]

That's why Gallagher is the real MVP

[@theshyfella3405]

It used to feel like “oh this character goes well with this and this character could debuff the enemies for my damage dealer to make more damage”. Now, it turns into “I need to plan my pulls”

[@Rhouka]

Welcome to gacha games? First line is only something you say when you are casually into a gacha game tbh. You just got more invested into the game and care too much about meta nowadays.

[@SwieczkaNiweaniewierzeDarek]

Yeah, if you're f2p you need to plan your pulls in every gacha game, unless you want to have a busted account with non-synergistic units...

[@theshyfella3405]

I mean, 1.x used to just have characters that are divided into many categories like damage dealer and such. Characters still work best with some particular others but the difference is low enough that you have to find out yourself how to optimize the damage. Now, they are categorized into metas. For example, you pull for a character. However, for them to work best, not only do you have to pull for someone that support/is supported by said that character, you have to see if they belong to that “meta” (fua, acheron, superbreak, etc.). When you miss their banner, you practically lost your chance to optimize the character you wanted for months.

[@oberonvortigern4138]

@@RhoukaNah the game makes you care too much about the Meta. There’s literally NOTHING in this game besides endgame modes to use our teams against once you beat the main story. We also BARELY get any new casual combat events when was the last event where we could freely use our teams against?

[@Duwung]

⁠@@Rhoukahsr kinda punishes you for not caring about meta tho. It forges meta teams of limited characters that are virtually irreplacable, which is NOT typical of gacha games

[@catalyst1858]

now wouldn't it be really funny if ZZZ ends up like HSR in the near future

[@roxas327]

If it does then hoyoverse HQ need to get hit with an acheron ult😂

[@Gurenn83]

@@roxas327😆

[@Radish21]

nah not really, ZZZ has a skip button and its more casual than HSR. That being said it is hoyoverse so you never know

[@roope6008]

zzz trash af tho since release

[@Radish21]

@@roope6008 the difference from 1.0 and 1.5 is pre significant, play it

[@redrovaeden5143]

HI3's Himeko dying wasn't the death itself that was significant, it's the impact it had on the main character that was significant. Himeko in HI3 was the reason why Kiana kept pushing herself, kept getting up when she's down, and her maturing as a character. Since then, I don't think there'll ever be a death that's as significant as Himeko's.

[@Squishh1018]

I unironically think the only hsr character that's in danger from actually dying is Himeko, cause I mean we need nihility Trailblazer somehow...

[@JamesAwasum]

@@Squishh1018 i feel like kafka would be the trigger instead of himeko since himeko hasn,t done much in the story yet

[@exol511]

@@Squishh1018 I still feel like all the Amphoreous characters are just left over memories same as everyone in the Elysian realm was.

[@_Eisley]

I went into HI3 knowing about her death because I had watched the animated shorts before I played the game, so it wasn't impactful for me at all 😂 but you are right. It was her character development that happened that changed the game and made Himekos death matter . Kiana wasn't a perfect goody two shoe MC like the traveler. She was a very flawed character and I think that's what makes her the best MC out of all Hoyo's games

[@RasenShot]

​@@_Eisley Himeko death wasn't that impactful to me either AT THE START. Then I saw how it affected the characters, mainly Kiana, and it became a big deal over the course of the rest of the game. Now every time I watch Final Lesson I get unironically teary eyed lol

[@clarkkent9116]

Top comment is gay

[@HakunaMatatalol]

Based on what I see here, you're on the top... So....

[@DARKPUMA-fs6iy]

Why gay

[@karuto5849]

I like it when people don't use the same sentence over and over again to farm likes

[@surajvinod1567]

Well done you are one

[@thepeanutter9972]

No they're bald

[@TakeoutEYE]

The lack of anything negative being able to happen to any playable character that has lasting effects on said character after their release is an issue I've been putting in the surveys of Hoyoverse games for years now. And as of the release of Natlan, it was when I finally called it quits for all hoyoverse titles and have been enjoying other more interesting games that take risks with their storytelling (playing non-gacha titles always make hoyo stories seem like a joke(besides hoyo climaxes, they are fun in the moment)).

[@Salty_Gacha_Gamer]

Reason why HI3 Part 1 story was so good. Idk why they gave up on that.

[@SithDarthGendo]

@@Salty_Gacha_Gamer They didn't. Coralie is dead.

[@Salty_Gacha_Gamer]

@@SithDarthGendo Oh!!!! Haven't played Part 2 in a while so didn't know we already have our first casualty

[@magdieldexter]

Jiaqou drinking the worst poison and surviving Hoolay and he just goes “Yeah I’m blind and a bit weak now” 🗿

[@irisumakina6054]

It is not only hoyoverse, wuwa has same issue, I guess SLA is different, like half of playable characters are dead, but not sure if its comparable since its story is manhwa no original.

[@elia0162]

it's unreal what ryuko sensei video butterfly effect did to hsr legit oppened pandora box of hsr

[@PrinceMarthX]

Even the official hsr subreddit is full of negativity and people memeing about the black screens.

[@juniorisaacalvarenga2702]

Yeah it's been crazy, although I've been enjoying the 3.0, I question myself because of all this criticism

[@SwieczkaNiweaniewierzeDarek]

@@juniorisaacalvarenga2702 Just because some people didn't like it doesn't mean you have to echo their thoughts or "question yourself". I liked the 3.0 story too and can't help but to feel all this negativity is just fueled by Twitter's echo chamber whose new hobby is trashing all Hoyo games, except ZZZ, which they trashed at launch anyway even though it was already pretty good back then 🤷

[@Reinassancer]

​@@juniorisaacalvarenga2702while you can, just enjoy it without thinking about what other people say. do you know why other people start criticizing? because they find a better comparison and the standard is raised...you can't enjoy it like before after knowing what's better....yeah i'm referring to zzz

[@amari7782]

@@SwieczkaNiweaniewierzeDarekexcept it’s called “ learning that they can do better” People were trashing in zzz during the beta because no one liked the TVs No one liked how only one character could use their ult because it limited team potential and basically made it so you’d just pop the best characters ult. The game had problems and it got better because of that. People come back to certain games like DS marvel rivals and other games because the do things that fans want because at the end of the day if the company can do stuff while also keeping players happy then it’s all good. Not everyone is trashing games for the sake of it it’s called actually having a criticism and wanting to voice it but because it’s “negative” it’s suddenly an issue when someone points out a flaw

[@ElderGamerX]

It feels like HSR is having the same problem that FF14 has: They have a community that is so attached to the characters that they're afraid to do anything dangerous to them. Now the game is just page after page of dialog, and they pretend like they're working up to something impactful, but it just never goes anywhere. The buildup to Penacony with Sparkle and Acheron were really cool, and then the actual payoff was pretty mid. And 3.0 was a big step back from 2.0, which was a step back from 1.0.

[@EyesDontCry]

I don't understand this criticism, we literally got pay off with this story as we defeat nikador after we build him up as a threat and explore his character too. This was a surprise to me after penacony which had so much bait and switch, actually getting something done this update signifies good progress. What other pay off were people looking for here, we're on amphoreus for the next year and the story just started. Penacony was all build up and no pay off, but this is literally just the beggining of the story and we've already got some pay off. Acting like any build up is bad because of penacony is just absurd to me.

[@CupOfWhiskey]

The build up in this game is bad because I spent 10 hours doing puzzles and reading mumbo jumbo word bloat jargon to the point i dont care or even know what's happening. Ff14 does the same shit. Let me play the fucking game, if I want to read I'll go read a book. Idk any game besides visual novels that do this kind of thing where the main story has 0 gameplay. Then you play the endgame for 30min every week or so. And everything turns out alright with 0 consequences

[@sackofnuts1]

@@EyesDontCry Saying Nikador had a build up is wild, no it hell did not lmao.

[@ElderGamerX]

@EyesDontCry To me, 3.0 felt bad because Nikador never felt like a big deal. They said he was a shell of his former self because of the madness, so it just felt like we were fighting some elite mob than a war god. At least Penacony had Acheron slash the dimension, and the giant angel robot, which were cool cinematic moments.

[@EyesDontCry]

@@ElderGamerX I mean I can't say that wasn't intentional, they wanted to portray nikador as a shell of his former self hence we literally meet his former self and he is made aware of what he is to become. When it comes to expectations I can understand how you felt he was a bigger deal, but by that point we are aware he is not the only titan we'll have to deal with so it's not like he's the final boss of amphoreus nor are they pure melevolance like phantylia was. Atleast we got a rematch after he beat us the first time, so he wasn't portrayed as weak on the contrary he is still quite strong and we need to literally seek out another titan and go to the past to stop him. I found that whole narrative thread quite compelling. And to be clear this is all unrelated to the presentation issues, I didn't mind them as much as others especially after the first act securing okehma which was somewhat dull to me. This is purely from the narrative and characters being built, nothing excuses the static black screens. I did really like the cinematic with nikadors final speech but those moments are few and far between. HSR just has terribly rushed cutscenes that always feel weirdly cut short, I noticed this even more so when playing wuthering waves now and finishing up the 2.0 quest the other day where they had great cutscenes which actually elevate the moment and are given the proper time to build tension. Again I'm rather resistant to this as someone who isn't looking for flashy art direction and prioritise stories but that's to say you can't completely seperate the 2 and I think that's why so many people dislike the story. It's not so much that it's a bad story, I'd argue it's good and has alot of meat to it but for most people it's just miserable to experience and so they come away hating the story because of its presentation which then also tinges the story itself as many struggle to connect with it as much.

[@Sollost]

I literally just used The Herta and jade the whole time I was playing the story and didn’t have a problem one time. Feels like I’m just doing stuff in the game for the soul purpose of getting jades for Castorice. Feels like doing chores for allowance.

[@feckert7301]

This. Where before it felt like I was playing a game that also had gamba mechanics, now it feels like I am playing the game to get to more gambling. In other words, everything has become secondary to pulling and the quality has decreased to the point that I am just getting through the content to get more jades.

[@edwardrichard8093]

I......are gacha gamers just this dumb? You realize gacha games are mobile games and somehow you're sitting here expecting a gacha game to be an actual game. You and tectone are beyond ape logic.

[@Barni2212]

Same for me but with FF team.

[@AbyssVoid-q6i]

​@@edwardrichard8093 your awesome logic is " uh 🤓 it's a gacha game " 🤣

[@feckert7301]

@@edwardrichard8093 wasn’t initially sure if wanted to respond to this or not, but I guess I can’t let sleeping dogs lie. Are you dumb? A game is a game. Mobile, console or Pc? Doesn’t matter. Fun is what a game needs to be. If you take the fun out of a gacha game it becomes a glorified casino. There are plenty of “mobile games” that are fun. So it stands to reason that when a game drops in quality and “fun” to the point where we feel like it is less of a game and more of a casino, we will criticize it in hopes that it will get better. Maybe you feel differently about the state of the game and your expectations are different. But to call someone dumb for criticizing a game and expressing their experience, especially on the premise that it is just a mobile game, makes you look like the idiot.

[@tayyabo]

The fact that all the animations in the aglaea trailer could have been in the story.. but nahhhh why should they do that much effort?

[@wollywogholder3313]

It's important to realize the perception of the gamestate alters everything around it as well. Back in 2.0, everyone loved Black Swan and Sparkle, the story was a little slow but they were calling it Peakacony, the arrival of Acheron and Firefly was a big deal. Now people look at 3.0 and The Herta and Aglaea are viewed with "They're cool but should I bother pulling when something better is in the future," the story is a little slow and theyre calling it Yaphorus, and Castorice and Phainon are seen as simply the next characters who will push the power scaling. It went from enjoying the game and its characters, building fun teams to buff up your favorites, to people clutching onto their pulls for dear life because they're so afraid of making a "bad" pull. If the game is fun, then people will be more lenient with its flaws and enjoy their experience more. If the game is annoying, then every tiny flaw is going to be brought to the surface to make the issues seem grander. this came from another commenter named: LetterSequence

[@a4arick106]

this copy paste thing, it felt literally like deja vu, didn't help it either since i was on high 💀💀

[@Senkest]

Yep this sums up everything People dont care about charcaters anymore, onky seeing their kits and if they are future proof. And cant blame them, thats how hsr is condontioning its players.And since they condition their players to be like that, they dont put any effort to the story.

[@comunidadegamer7547]

Yo props to you for crediting OP👍

[@marioritter7014]

Nah, sorry, but if you can't clear MoC, that's not a pull problem, it's a build problem. And the biggests problem is sitting in front of the screen. I do agree that the perception of people hass changed, but also because drama CCs on KZbin have been farming the game for a while now, making everyone a lot more pessimistic and cynical.

[@comunidadegamer7547]

@@marioritter7014 i have a e0 s1 seele and i usually get 99,9% crit rate, 171 speed and 432,9% cdmg by using fu xuan (with her sig lc) sunday (with his sig lc) and sparkle AND EVEN THEN I CAN'T EVEN TICKLE THE SMALL BUGS IN THE NEWEST APOC SHADOW So no my guy it's not a build problem

[@syctk4123]

Genshin uninronically has a more impactful death than hsr. Focalor may not have been a playable character but it completely changed a playable characters personality and that's probably more impactful than any death in hsr

[@p01nt_blank67]

HSR has deaths?

[@MysticLuka]

@@p01nt_blank67 Well, we thought it did, and then it went 'surprise! they're actually not dead! :D'

[@befaulty]

​@@p01nt_blank67 we have Gallagher and Misha, but they have so little screen time in the story that i didn't really care for their "death". It was sad in the moment, but even the quest with Cocona (NPC) left more meaningful impact on me than them 😮‍💨

[@p01nt_blank67]

@@befaulty Oh yeah I comoletely forgot about Cocolia. Misha and Gallagher didn't really "die". Misha is a Memory Zone Meme that somehow materialized from a Memory Bubble (which according to Black Swan is impossible), and Gallagher vanished from existence because everyone saw through his facade. Maybe his entire existence is a facade, and once a facade is seen through, it ceases to exist. Edit: actually I forgot if Misha is a Memory Zone Meme, so if not he should be something related to that

[@befaulty]

@@p01nt_blank67 yeah you're right, that's why i put "death" in quotations. But to be fair i think if a character left mark on a player it's not about them being "real" or not. That's like the whole thing with simulations and games themselves. If connections and experiences you have with characters are real, if their story makes you think about your life choices, than they were "real" in some way. The problem is i don't feel that way about Gallagher, Misha and Cocolia, as you mentioned. Their death and story don't really matter to me, but it's all comes down to opinions of course 🫡

[@mindhooked]

Don't let honkai star rail distract you from the fact that we have 50 million lumens coming out of tectone's head

[@ArchonOfDoom]

Damn, brother.

[@2girls1Jay]

Been playing gachas since 2016. It’s the same cycle of people loving the game then turning on it and moving on to a new game.

[@AnimeKing-xj2xl]

Yeah evry game has it's downfall tbh there's no forever famous and great/good game evrything changes from time to time.

[@killingwolf5842]

Hating for the sake of hating, nothing new. Those who enjoy the game will do it regardless.

[@2girls1Jay]

@ facts

[@ichigokage]

@@killingwolf5842 these are honest to god critiques. Not pointless hating. Stop brushing away people who do want things to improve as just hating for the sake of hating. Cause that’s not everyone.

[@killingwolf5842]

@ichigokage Believe me or not, I also want devs to improve the game. But I find it really exaggerating nowadays as referring to a certain criticism in a gacha space. You should give feedback to devs in a way that they implemented in a game. On the other hand, forcing people hate on each other is not the correct way of dealing with all of that. Especially in the media space, where everyone only needs a spark to start a war.

[@animecut4355]

5:25 It's because Hoyoverse's story is created for the sake of story, not by an actual writer but by Hoyoverse otaku. If you really think about it there is absolutely no message was given in it, yet a lot of kids who never read actual book will keep on pretending it's something deep 🤣 "So why does life slumber?" MC " Because someday, we will awake from our dreams"

[@abdullahbinasif2004]

True

[@elia0162]

and that's why belobog was the best all the other world were more like burgher of nothing full of nothing while belobog really had that preservation main line that really made it better

[@battushigsoronzonbold2502]

the world that hsr built is not simular to real life. because of that ppl dont resonate most of the time and you can argue it is not well writen like a good plot focused book, after hsr story being as is it is still a good story and it is just preference or bias at the end of the day

[@elia0162]

@@battushigsoronzonbold2502 it might not be similar but then how do you explain other sci fi story written much better,anyway it might not be similar but the human emotion that sci fi characters feels is the same as ours

[@battushigsoronzonbold2502]

@ ppl are different and so does preferences. you can enjoy how you like curtain points but it has to resonate, that is why

[@Sinister_Songs]

Honestly, u are so right when you say that 3.0 feels like just a new scene pretty much, and not some massive update. Genuinely that is the most accurate description of 3.0 I have ever heard.

[@alfdog83]

Them not doing anything with Welt is criminal, this is the same welt from HI3, he travelled to this universe WITH void archives, (ignoring that he somehow travelled the imaginary tree without the express), and has done nothing since. Where are the sky people who were targeting this universe's Himeko? where is void archives? March's arc is the only thing that has me interested because i think she is the memokeeper that speaks to Kiana at the end of Hi3 part 1, and/or the emanator of rememberence since there is a surprising amount of evidence / clues that point towards the both of those theories

[@befaulty]

I feel like they are keeping the staff with Welt and VA for the distant future. We still don't have APHO 3 and there's no reason for them to touch sky people now, when even hi3rd is still not there. Plus some people are already dissatisfied with all connections with hi3rd and getting angry about a few easter eggs (i don't really care but you know). I wonder how devs are gonna connect these two games in the future 🤔

[@atrocious7766]

This is why Nikke's story is one of the best in gacha. There's a perfect balance of actual loss and plot armor and there's now even an legitimate lore explanation of said plot armor.

[@user-sm3kh2bp2h]

Hard agree. NIKKE has the best pacing of any gacha game out there. The main and event stories are never bloated, they're not afraid of killing or injuring characters, the interactions between the characters are entertaining, the lore is pretty deep that you begin to theorize a lot about the raptures and the governments involvement with them, and the balance between story and gameplay is perfect. The only real issue concerning the story is that the English dub is weak, but not horrible.

[@kennethyoung7457]

I love Nikke they cook with their main story meanwhile Hoyo games story feel so slow and everything is low stakes.

[@Azel49]

Dude, Nikkes story is one of the best things to come out of a gacha in a long time lol.

[@Kyle81290]

Nikke is korean, they do things different

[@belliebeltran4657]

Absolutely agreed. Nikke has the best story experience in all gacha I've played, and nothing even comes close without relying on pre-rendered cutscenes.

[@terrywhale7787]

I've recently decided to get a second F2P acc. To combat my FOMO (I don't have funds for The Herta but still wanted to try her out) and as an experiment 'cause I happen to have some free time on my hands. Which means I played through Belobog story once again and, boi oh boi, let me tell you what a MINDBLOWING difference it is to experience Belobog again after the slop of Amphoreus. First of all, changes of camera angles. All. The. Time. Characters just talking to each other? Here you go with separate shots of each of their faces, of them together from the side, from the top and from afar. 2D art scenes were not having one art for the entire 2-3 minute of dialogue. There were multiple 2Darts in one scene. Flashbacks about the discovery of Stellaron by Jarilo VI all had multiple 2D arts, Bronya's perfomance on stage in the end of the story - again, multiple 2Darts. Even moments that a lot of people would say "not needed to go at such extremes" (you know, what's the point of showing Black Swan touching March 7th or Tribbie opening a portal) had a 2D art: like Bronya and Seelie watching Express depart through the window - imagine HSR would just black screen this and be like : "Bronya and Seelie watched in silence as Express soared through the sky, going for a new adventure". The final boss scene was basically: epic cutscene to boss fight to epic cut scene - to trailblazer receiving their power- to cut scene - to boss fight to cut scene and only then there was some dialog. The entirety of Belobog took me roughly 4 to 5 hours to complete, I believe. We're not even half through the main storyline of Amphoreus and it's been ten hours of static screnes and half-voiced (english version) dialogue. I can not believe I say it, but I doubt Genshin had EVER allowed itself to reliese such a lacklaster update to a main storyline on it's X.0 patches.

[@hyperdiper8233]

Touch some grass weeb

[@magdieldexter]

7:20 Fake news. Only people who haven’t played HI3 only mention that. Flame Chasers, Elysia hell half the cast is either depressed or dead 🤣 maybe even more. Elysia’s story was good af too

[@Aicy2008]

They got the same writer for HSR yet no character died despite having SO MANY chances to die and be a great story, It felt like they stopped him from killing anyone

[@azimtv7419]

ikr, like fair enough if Tec doesn't like the game and thinks it's shit. But maybe don't talk about it if you know nothing about it. Characters die alot tbf in HI3. Even recently with Coralie. You don't hear people talking about it because not a lot of people actually play it. Himeko's death is the only thing talked about because that's all the casual playerbase knows about HI3. They don't know anything else about HI3 other than the fact Himeko died. He could've left out HI3 and his point still stands because not a lot of people know or would care about HI3 and that's fine. But misrepresenting it just to make a point seems weird.

[@DartNguyen]

there are no 13 mantis, it 13 coffin

[@ClassMonitorFuHua]

@@DartNguyen 11* Griseo and Fu Hua are living.

[@ricardolopes1428]

@@azimtv7419 Nowadays CC loves to talk about what they don't know, because they know they'll have an audience anyway.

[@pwest1368]

I'm waiting until 3.2 to see where the story goes. HSR had such a strong start, I just hope Wuwa doesn't follow the same path.

[@ChanKichii]

Yeah, I hope they follow PGR path, Bad Start Peak Later. But Im still enjoying 2.0 so Im savoring the moment. I

[@Shadow_0736]

I believe in kuro games ( cus of what they dis with pgr ) I'm more worried for zzz. Its my 2nd fav gacha game currently after wuwa

[@s4yto]

@@Shadow_0736 yeah im more worried about zzz currently, hsr and genshin are dead to me, the issue is the developer teams working on it, they are different from each other even within hoyoverse

[@MysticLuka]

@@s4yto I think I have faith that WuWa will actually improve with each update, whereas with HSR/Genshin I have zero faith whatsoever that they'll improve. The difference being that kuro has shown a track record with the game of making changes based on the playerbase's feedback, while HSR and Genshin don't make many positive changes, Genshin especially. The 'genshin could never' meme started because of HSR and while HSR's launch was great, I think it hasn't really improved significantly since then, and has only really shown that they're getting lazier with 3.0's release. ZZZ's last couple patches were also very good, so here's hoping they keep up that trend.

[@s4yto]

@@MysticLuka yep hsr was coping for hope to god it will be better than genshin, and zzz might be heading the same direction

[@byeguyssry]

7:10 Funny he says this now because a playable character in HI3 JUST died in the latest story update (And there are other playable characters that have "died", though it's questionable if they're technically "alive")

[@prathameshhedau]

I used to think star rail would be a sci fi gacha game I loved herta space station design, music First region was the most peak star rail, from there it was all downhill was getting boring and boring

[@Aicy2008]

Belobog was very hype, and I was expecting it to be in that energy throughout the different regions, like a more steampunk, gritty, dirty, mature than the previous game Genshin, it came down when it just started to emmit mickey mouse energy, lose of quality, devs not even putting much effort, and the story raising stakes without having the balls to kill any character

[@donewastingtime7939]

Same. What I find most funny is that Belobog is meant to be the equivalent of cavemen compared to other planets due to being cut off from the rest for so long, yet characters in Belobog still look more modern (more futuristic) than ones we meet past said Belobog.

[@Ghalion666]

I too like the Space station esthetic, wish we got more of it, and I don't mean Herta's station specifically, but just modern space areas in general. I can appreciate people like the story of Belobog but I hated the dirty grungy steampunk slum esthetic, always did. I hate early FF7 because of it, I hate narshe in FF6, i hate Belobog underworld, etc. I actually rather liked the Xianjou (forgot how to spell), but those self-rezzing enemies were hella annoying early game since they were essentially a middle finger to Selle who was the only 5* dps many of us had for quite some time.

[@явтрауресмеюсь]

it seems like you don't understand what cyberpunk is. maybe you meant sci-fi (science fiction). but i agree. herta's station was peak hsr, after that it the same as jenshit with magic, fantasy crap and medieval ass regions.

[@bobjohnson6131]

i think the opposite. I like how its trying to have a blends of different worlds. I understood it started out as a space sci fi type environment but the fact they are traveling on a train traversing space is cool because its flexible and we are able to see different type of planets in the system. I hope we get one more tropical like, a jungle forest etc with primitive enemies would be cool :)

[@Dominichunter5]

I'm glad more and more people have become critical of HSR's characters and combat lately. It really did go from a surprisingly deep/complex turn-based combat framework to "pull the overpowered meta teams or perish"

[@themidnightotaku22]

Also, I have to mention; Dan Heng, Himeko, Firefly & Kafka’s voices are all missing from the new story dialogue. Not letting that go.

[@SwieczkaNiweaniewierzeDarek]

And how many times do you have to be reminded that it's because of the strike? Hoyo recently moved to another VA company anyway (the same company as wuwa) and will (most likely) be slowly transferring their older VAs there.

[@amari7782]

@@SwieczkaNiweaniewierzeDarekyea but people still can be mad

[@xelasneko]

@@SwieczkaNiweaniewierzeDarek The game doesn't mention it is because of the strike, for the average player, it is just missing the voice, thus making the storytelling experience worse.

[@SwieczkaNiweaniewierzeDarek]

@@amari7782 Mad at who? Voice actors? Are you one of these people who bully them for striking?

[@amari7782]

@ the company since they can just recast those roles with temporary vas or legit anything else

[@otakisenpai8377]

YIPEE MR. POKKE BANNED

[@user-ll5fq3tl1j]

I'm so disappointed with him. I was watching him if there is no Tectone videos but after the things that happened he just turns me off and unfollowed him.

[@hiererendy4631]

@@user-ll5fq3tl1j perhaps i can recommend to watch jenazad for a chill yap streamer if you dont have anything in mind

[@Amaso1747]

Ikr? How dare he not be a tectone clone? Put me off​@@user-ll5fq3tl1j

[@TheAbundance1337]

@@user-ll5fq3tl1j what happened?

[@ThomasAndy-qu8dp]

@@TheAbundance1337 hes being an hypocrite

[@user6171]

Tectone, I really adore you as the leading Western Gacha CC. I finally had the courage to quit Genshin Impact after 1500 active days. I also quit HSR. The gacha games that I have REAL fun with are Zenless Zone Zero and Wuthering Waves.

[@edfornes8010]

I am in the process of doing it too. HSR was my first gatcha I just log in do daily and I am out. I haven’t even done anything in 3.0 and also I haven’t even started the story either. Been busy with Marvel rivals and ZZZ started playing it again since 1.4 and I been having more fun in that game that HSR, but it is still hard for me to quit it but I am on the process of quitting HSR until it gets better. Thanks for sharing

[@Corteslatinodude]

Same I can't carry the game anymore. I have ZZZ, wuwa, GFL2 and goddess of victory nikke. Now arknights is coming , I don't have the time nor money to keep it on my list. They had plenty of time and there chance. it was pretty hard to uninstall.

[@Tabyspuperze]

yeah for me the same with zzz and Wuwa. Im pretty close to quitting hsr. Probably the best decision someone could make, because hsr also kinda gets more greedy. They want to sell you the Eidolons so badly now and also how they present you the Substat chose item in the p2w shop. Its seems like they are more chasing after money as to give players a better game experience. They could change it easily, but why should they if most people are eating up everything they give you. They are in fact thinking just as a company and not as passionate devs. Moreover more gacha games are coming. So yeah im really excited for enfield and azur promilia

[@edfornes8010]

@@Corteslatinodude same boat here brother I will eventually get there as well

[@grymns]

Congratulations on leaving a toxic relationship

[@exol511]

HI3 there have been characters that technically already died before being introduced, specifically Elysian realm (which features some of the fan favorite characters like Elysia herself, never to return). Heck the characters there died twice, once in the past and once with the closing of the realm, which is I feel one of the best moments of the story. Them bringing said characters back and people expecting tragedy is fairly logical and I do still feel that the places and new characters we are seeing are all already just a memory as the entire planet has been destroyed in the past and its just a memory being suspended in a eternal loop by the aeons (which would explain why Akivili never visited it).

[@MrDeoxin]

bro I just finished penacony and I must say, downfall of March 7th needs to be studied. from one of the brightest and funniest character she became so annoying and agressive for some reason. almost every single enteraction with her ruined quest expirience, she always make jokes, being fun, but when we as MC try to pull some small joke, March always instantly become serious and tries to judge us, telling that is not the time to joke or we just being not mature. what the hell does that even means? this word's coming from March mouth is absolute absurd

[@AnimeKing-xj2xl]

Yeah I agree March has become even more annoying.

[@scrappy_horns8139]

The last time i enjoyed March was with her Hunt arc training under Yunli and Yanking Also hsr kept giving us this goofy ass lines for us to either tease March or break the intense/suspenseful mood in scenes lol

[@jdoepamine]

Hm really? I thought it made he jokes pretty funny

[@Weloux]

she's always been annoying

[@DartNguyen]

family guy trio, 1 joker mc,1 judge march 7, i silent dangheng

[@rbosorio]

You expressed everything I feel about HSR, especially about DOT teams. And it is a real shame because I loved this game.

[@Ex-Soldier23]

I miss Belobog. Take me back to when this game used to be good

[@Thriftyyyyyy]

Back when the story was simple

[@silverjuly9339]

​@@Thriftyyyyyywhen it was high action and meaningful. Not reading through the text......

[@YukiZero]

Belobog was absolute peak. It was amazing! After that it was all down hill

[@Khn_2102]

Belobog was HSR at its peak, the entire story has a singular plot point

[@ThatWeirdGoober]

Finally, someone who agrees😭

[@MoonManAK]

Not having a skip button puts no challenge for the devs to make an interesting storytelling experience

[@Messypapa]

youre hitting the nail on its head. HSR used to be complex and it was fun to build teams around the mechanics of the fights. nowadays its just a DPS check + unit check. theres just no way to clear certain endgame modes without pulling the current banner unless you already had a similar team built. i used to never autoplay MoC because it was challenging, now i just autoplay all endgame modes to max stars 9/10 times

[@zcepsgaming]

Yea true, the game encourages building multiple team archetypes. And the massive powercreep feels terrible. Although for players like Teccy who expect to use suboptimal teams to full clear, but yet don't have good understanding of utilizing MoC buffs/enemy mechanics, kinda makes it seem like a bad take coming from him

[@arelfric5964]

This game exist just to display and flex good animations, everything else is so bad from day 1 until now : No control over summons (Jing Yuan LL counts too), ZERO improvements with DoT, elements used to be useful not anymore thanks Acheron, thanks Firefly self implant, thanks Ruan Mei, thanks super break, thanks Res Pen, thanks True Damage, E2S1 became the standard to have the base kit of a unit unlocked > a lot of Eidolons look like traces, in terms of gameplay they lost the scope of the Paths. That game was never complex it's on the list of the most basic turn based, if you can't clear that's actually a skill issue I skipped the whole break meta I pulled only for Yunli and I still cleared the content, even on my alt where I'm a total tourist l barely play seriously only my Blade is really geared and when there's Wind content in MoC wow he does so well wow in moments where he wasn't recommended at all. I remember previous content before it turned to complete shit, it was "hard" until I farmed the Eagle set for my supports or until I actually focused all my ressources on 2 dps instead of spreading my ressources here and there, I still have Pela and Tingyun lvl 70 and I still use them both in endgame content. In HSR I feel more like a monitor rather than actually playing the game, the real game is getting in the gear menu then press auto watch something on the side but it was ALWAYS like that.

[@sufferred7030]

@@arelfric5964 there's a thing i have to disagree with you weakness is still important even for now, just look at current MoC, with out fire weakness, break/ superbreak teams now having a terrible performance tbh. especially Firefly, need to take 7 cycle MoC 3.1 boss ( Flame Reaver )

[@arelfric5964]

@@sufferred7030 Fire implant, super break, if ur still living in the past I let you know RMC works well with Firefly, she gets to trigger super break, fire weak dmg & true dmg with RMC. Even with a normal break team E0 Firefly can clear True Sting(current MoC) in 1 turn, 3-4 turns worst case scenario if bad relics / skill issue. Don't know and don't care about 3.1 the next units are not out, showcases only show kits and so far I only saw new units. I never look too deep into leaks. And even if break teams dies in 3.1 it's replaced by another gimmick you have nothing to do, it triggers by itself & it ignores armor, add some debuffer that shred armor or a Tribbie that gives All Type Res pen and you can auto again. What's the problem with res pen ? just like Acheron what it does ? it doesn't care about the element. Seems like Firefly self fire implant wasn't enough to ruin the game.

[@natebeal18]

Big number go brrrrr type shit.

[@Darksilver740]

This might be a hot take, but I really don't like what they did with Sunday and Firefly. Sunday was supposed to DIE. He was the final boss for Penacony and I don't need to explain the story but, I liked how he finally accepts his death and his failures and mistakes and falls from the sky. His sister hugs him one last time before they both hit the ground. All the sudden he apologizes and he is now a good guy... Firefly was the "damsel in distress" who lied to you but later tells the truth about how she actually has a disease in the real world. But apparently she can just HENSHIN and become a god and she really doesn't need any help at all....

[@billiejean4654]

Making Firefly and SAM the same character was a big mistake, you can't change my mind. I will never understand why they made that decision, it'd be better if they were 2 different characters.

[@ACFaller]

Sunday surviving for a redemption arc is totally fine it's adventurine that was supposed to die... well, stay dead at least

[@howlyy_y]

@@billiejean4654 as a Firefly fan I 100% agree, SAM is so cool but mixing him with Firefly makes him underwhelming.

[@Lockehart1289]

The entire fight with Sunday was within the dream. Nobody dies in the dream because of the family. So while we beat Sunday and destroy his logic there was no real danger. Now that we obliterated his logic his eyes are open. He no longer wants to protect people with complete control over their lives but now takes a more proactive role. Whilst also doing some soul searching. Seeking redemption and coping with this new perspective .

[@Kryto_Gaming]

@@ACFaller Agreed. Adven got omega blackhole'd by Ix. That's different from dying the Dream.

[@VEXX1]

Did we ever really forgive Sunday? I feel like we just let him join the express to hopefully redeem himself. Himeko and welt have said many times we don’t turn away anyone from the express weather we like them or not I feel

[@kimura2176]

to me the issue is that people are expecting a full on shounen anime esque story, when in reality, this is Date a live in space, aka, 80% is world building, 20% is combat and drama

[@ayoubp7689]

🤓

[@theropayer2532]

real bruh everyone is on the dogging on it trai; now

[@queru2284]

Genshin 5.3 EVENT quest had almost the same amount of cutscenes like 3.0 main quest (6:46 min for 5.3 vs 6:55 for 3.0 in cutscenes length time) We went from "Genshin could never" to "HSR could never". HSR is currently in a worse state than Genshin imo.

[@ChanKichii]

Thank Goodness, I'm not one of those people who spam "Genshin could never" when HSR was at its peak. 😌 Since ZZZ is doing really well now, I hope they dont mess up their future updates.

[@abdullahbinasif2004]

Wait what was the 5.3 event, I forgot

[@queru2284]

@@abdullahbinasif2004 lantern rite

[@queru2284]

@ lantern rite

[@Alatus-firefly]

Love them both but woe Lantern rite this year was actually so good ❤

[@apilgrim6907]

Great video. I agree with your points, save for one. I think Silverwolf was fine with the weakness implant because it created a different play-style with limitations. I think it was with Boothill and (more popularly) with Firefly’s guaranteed weakness implant that the whole mechanic could be ignored without limitations. Granted, I’ll admit my bias as I pulled Silverwolf initially and built her for break effect, where the goal was to make it so you procced the quantum break for big damage and turn delay. Then, when Acheron came out, I rebuilt her as a 160 speed support. Great character that was worth every one of my 80 tickets.

[@eragonrank5303]

Don’t forget Fugue, with her E1 basically makes any DPS ignore weakness.

[@aidanarmaggeddon]

That's great for you as someone who pulled on her when she was meta. But as of right now there is no pull value for her, she doesn't do anything particularly well anymore in comparison to Harmony Supports.

[@apilgrim6907]

@eragonrank5303 that makes sense - I think the game’s balance really started to go off the rails with guaranteed weakness implants in 2.2 phase 2 to 2.3 - and it looks like Fugue in 2.7 didn’t help course-correct.

[@aidanarmaggeddon]

@@apilgrim6907 I disagree, without the guaranteed weakness implants, Break as an archetype wouldn't exist at all. However for Crit DPS they have no right to have Weakness Ignore. However that also doesn't factor in SWs RNG, it should've been something like Implant Weakness in the order of the characters on the lineup or something similar. Not only that but she's too Single Target, in scenarios where even just two enemies are on field she sucks cuz all the debuffs have to be reapplied to a second enemy (much less more)

[@eragonrank5303]

@ What do you think would be better? Having Break Dps's that can implant, or Hoyo releasing a Break Dps for each element so we have to pull for coverage. While we are at it, might as well implement a 4* Version of Break Dps for each element, killing 2 birds with 1 stone.

[@infernoraptor4815]

7:17 bro does not know what the latest hi3 chapters are about.

[@EienKurisukiCA]

Yeah, talks about hi3 while he doesn't know much about it. LOL

[@AzZRaii]

yup yup

[@NathanDikasz]

Honestly i used to love playing HSR but the HP over inflation and lack of enemies with unique patterns or mechanics to play around have killed it for me. Not to mention the story builds high risk/stakes then the outcome is sunshine and rainbows and the risks never pan out. ALSO playing my older invested into units in newer content feels like dog shit.

[@KuroJOkami]

I'm genuinely worried that Star Rail will fall into the same rabbit hole that Genshin did because I quit Genshin for bloat, combat, and characters. But with how Star Rail is going down, it's going the same direction and it makes me sad because I've played Star Rail since day 1 and I still want to love it. While I haven't finished the 3.0 story, I've had to take multiple breaks to the point where I don't want to do it at all and I'm sad and annoyed by it. The enemies are an annoyance to face because they're not unique and a waste of time, I take out my not really good Acheron DoT team for Acheron to take out the enemies because I don't want to deal with them. And for the characters, why are they meant to deal with the enemies specific to the story or the endgame? That's bad and I hate it

[@arvandor6820]

I don't always agree with you, but I agree 1000% with everything you've said in this video. The slop has been brutal, that little side arc with the monkey dude was the worst slop I've ever personally seen in a gacha update, the yapping has gotten bonkers, the power creep is real, and how brutally uninteresting the team building is (and FOMO inducing) along with the boring enemy design. I think Aglaea is gorgeous, and was planning to come back just to give her a try, but when I found out how much she relies on Sunday (don't like him, skipped), and benefits from Huohuo (don't like her, skipped), along with how much Eidolon's benefit her. Yeah, not only a skip from me, but a peace out on the game. HYV just really keeps turning me off of their games. I loved Genshin until Sumeru, then quit. Loved HSR until... Maybe early Penacony then slowly peeled back and now am quitting. I love ZZZ still, but how long before they completely ruin that with slop too? I hope they don't, but we'll see. At least WuWa shows promise for keeping the good content coming.

[@moonchild4981]

I stopped playing HSR after wuthering waves came out cause i realized how much of a grind that game is just to keep up at least with wuwa i know i can skip a patch and come back to it without feeling like my characters are now underwhelming

[@FaithZe]

took a break from HSR for a patch just to come back and realize the skip button is just too good. Whether or not the story is good, I at least dont have to sit there and spam for 500hrs

[@iamjustice1995]

And there's a leak about a feature similar to Nikke where you can get those "films" to access past events.

[@TaseJaw]

You wuwa fans sure are loud, wuwa isn't even in the top 5 gacha revenue

[@vanoid4366]

@@TaseJaw So what? Did you get anything from the 99M? Will you get more QoL? Will you get more free pulls? Will you get free exploration mechanics not behind a paywall? Shame on you. All you can ever eat is “shit” from your beloved company

[@vayneblitz1290]

HSR 3.0 just increases the HP bar by a hundred times and claims that’s the only difficulty they can offer. To deal the right amount of damage, you have to pull new characters to E2, which forces you to get additional copies. It's really frustrating. And the fact that they don't include a skip button for stories and side quests I don't care about is incredibly annoying.

[@CKLegend1030]

Ty for calling out pokke. His hypocrisy is getting out of hand lately... had to mute him and chill on his content for a bit.

[@real0195]

OK what did he do to make you call him a hypocrite??

[@Alyce-Donut]

​@@real0195Maybe watch the first 2 min of the video instead of commenting.

[@real0195]

@@Alyce-Donut I saw it but still how he's a hypocrite? Elaborate

[@tdof7217]

I cannot take hsr seriously due to the fact that multiple characters have died but then it turned out to be alive. Next time a character dies, I won't even react to it. It might seriously take me 20 patches to believe it went through as a real thing (assuming I still play)

[@tvue7750]

I'm hoping that ZZZ doesn't shy away from killing playable characters like Star Rail, its one of the few complaints I have with the game. Like Harumasa better die in the next year or so, considering what he says at the end of his agent story. I recently started Nikke, and when they execute that one nikke near the beginning of the story I actually felt something.

[@SithDarthGendo]

Caesar lived. ZZZ will be in same toothless vein.

[@forcodingg1287]

I don't think new Big Gacha game do that (maybe 4 star). But not limited 5 star, Because they see GI success and the risk of it. I don't think WUWA/ZZZ will do it. Maybe somebody play PGR know, did kuro ever do that?

[@kantokuu]

​@@forcodingg1287 Haven't played PGR so I looked it up and apparently(spoilers) : PGR does have a couple chapters with a lot of playable character deaths, but it's usually simulation of the future or alternative future so it's not permanent like with Himeko in HI3rd. I don't expect Kuro to go to that very extreme of offing a playable character permanently. Most they'd do is probably having important NPCs die the most gruesome death (PGR veterans who played through Survival Lucem know what I'm talking about).

[@Soulclenz100]

Since when did "gacha players want X character to die off" make it on the list of things that make a gacha good? I feel like you all gaslight yourselves lol. Can't wait for the "hoyo killed off X character and we are livid" videos to pop up if that day ever comes. What even?

[@viabhavgulati5474]

But like killing people is not the only way to write a good story? From the main cast of lotr only boromir died but still its a worldwide hit.

[@rrSpaced]

I stopped playing the story about and hour or two in. I’m gonna be skipping the rest of the version and use the claim for Rememberance MC when that comes out, quick start the rest of the events, and just quick start 4.0 once it releases. Gonna be pulling about three characters this year then pretend like we never went to Amphoreus 😅

[@Tabyspuperze]

OKay here are the problems i have in Hsr for people that are interested - Too much yapping and it doesnt seem like hsr wants to change it - More greedy, because they make E1 and sig Lc so powerful that they make you want to pull for it - Giving you the new item for substats, but also locking it behind a paywall and it doesnt look like we are getting it for free often enough. - The relic system is still Ass. You farm a relic set for Months and then fall behind when you want to build another character Which additional complains do you guys have? Hsr looka more and more like just a company and not like passionate devs who actually listens anymore. The Qol changes arent enough, the game has to progress in some way or it will get even worse. But from the pov of Hsr, i dont think they need to change it, because most player just eat everything up and Hsr gets away with it. Sadly enough that is how companies operates... if they get away with it they wont bother. In the end it is the players fault for beeing not vocal enough. I wish the chinese community would give hoyo a harder time, only then would they change, but that is so cope...

[@aidanarmaggeddon]

All Relic Systems are ass, HSR is midly better with SMR and now Wishful, it's annoying that they cap it at 5 but better than having none.

[@gokhanmeydan370]

to add more : -yapping aside in story characters on ly do 3 poses on repeat no facial movement like if it wasnt voice acted(which funny that in EN half of the main crew is voiceless) it would just be better to read a book but in book atleast you get good writing like if you are not RRmartin or tolkien pls give me option to skip the story -powercreep they bring up a new character to literally in the next patch release better versions of them (bootycheeks-FF) -Forcing you to pull certain characters to play ARCHTYPES like follow up without robinis shit same as summons without sunday or break without rm or fugue or jiaqu with acheron like supports are 50-70% sometimes even more damage increase and yeah they cant make them functioning with out their lightcone like they force you to pull sunday for skillpoint problem robin for enegy issues same with aglea its worse with aglea you need bot s1(for base speed) and e1 for energy i think what happend was while genshit had example number:100 devs and hsr had 30 they werent expecting a turnbased gacha to explode this much so hoyo port some devs in to hsr to meet deadlines and it was apperent form the loufu second half it was rushed events were boring story was yap fest dhil comes out new best dps and literally next patch jl comes out does same damage but skill point friendly but requiers s1 :D it was showing at that time but no one batted an eye until it gotton this worse but this aint the end of it mark my word 3x gonna be ass bc they are so furter in the development cycle that they cant change anything theres not enough time and with fate collab coming they cant affor the take risks its joover for hsr until 4x and if that blows too then goodbye hsr and welcome annata, enfield ......

[@Abbigirl-r8i]

I quit the game when rappa came out after playing since launch, because it’s not enjoyable to build characters anymore

[@levikekman5979]

e1 is the past mah guy and has been delegated to support/preservation chars e2 is what u need on every friggin dps

[@lancertheimaginary8462]

The game being incredibly successful is a curse in the long run... Making genshin-level revenue made them lazy and complacent. If it had remained niche and not as popular as genshin I think the game would just be fine and better than it is currently. I really hope that ZZZ would really remain niche and small so the devs can really treat is as a passion project instead of a cash cow like genshin or hsr.

[@valkyrieregalia]

I've found that the combat is very enjoyable, but I am both a vertical investor and a 0 cycler. I skip a lot of banners to get strong dupes, and I use those dupes to further optimize the teams I focus on. I also optimize relics continually to to go even beyond 0 cycling to clear even sooner, and that is satisfying for me. Like, in the second fight of Apoc 4, I figured out a way to get to 3960 against Phantylia with my Feixiao team after a lot of fight exploration and gear adjustments. But, this isn't a way of playing that is appealing to everyone and it is rather subjective at the end of the day. As for the story, it certainly was frustrating that a lot of the voices in English weren't there. I really hope they fix that issue. I also think a lot of thing they talk about should be animated. I think if the visuals and animations were turned up, that it would go a long way because I genuinely like the story a lot. For me it's like a 9~10 / 10 story but a 5ish / 10 presentation. I still do enjoy the story overall as I also enjoy VNs which also often don't have many animations. But, I think for the kind of game HSR is, they should put more effort into that part of it. A great example is they fade to black and say Tribbie uses the century door, which is supposed to be this big thing she does to teleport around the world that even drains her lifeforce or something akin to that, when it would have been so much cooler if the animated her creating it and us stepping through it and the strain it causes to generate it expressed subtly from Tribbie. There are a number of things like this that they should spare the budget for to put into the story. In other words, they should be willing to reinvest more of their profits back into the product rather than trying to get by with the minimum.

[@essejay-d1l]

23:15 is true, if you don’t have her premium team or if you only have 1 of the 2 batteries (Sunday huo2) she’s gonna feel clunky as all hell and you need e1 at that point, and even on her best team it’ll still feel iffy

[@rin3484]

10:20 tbf the bombs were real, what would decide whether they would go up and be fireworks or sink the entirety of Penacony was the MC’s success in defeating Sunday, although it is kind of sad they didn’t make that as an alternate ending like those premature endings you can get with some choices.

[@chronomoss]

The thing about the writer from hi3 is that they got the guy that wrote literally the longest part of the game. I love hi3 story. I think it has one of the best gacha stories, but it is definitely a yap fest. Everyone loves that Elysia part of the game but it is literally just yap yap yap yap yap. Not only that, the whole game is visual novel style, which is why I think the hsr 3.0 story was presented in the way it was.

[@alfdog83]

15:20 I think silverwolf's idea is great, if she stayed the only character who could implant When silverwolf came out, i think its clear they still wanted the gameplay to be about playing around the enemy's weakness, because she wasnt a DPS, you still needed a DPS of that element to make silverwolf even work Nowdays, every single DPS now implants their own weakness into an enemy because it sells better when a character can be standalone instead of needing a character like silverwolf, which in turn has completely fucked the "strategy" in "Turn-based strategy"

[@cubalibre-5238]

One thing about the HP inflation is that the current MOC is designed for you to kill the trotters, that will do massive damage to the bosses. I think it will be better for the next one. Also I do think the "No stakes" argument isnt just about star rail but pretty much every major gacha. I actually enjoy the current story but I also wish they showed it more. For example they could have explained the Gods of amphoreus just like WUWA explained the elf girl in Rinascita. Live 2D art with some music as if telling a tale. I think that wouldve fit perfectly but instead they made a joke out of the fact that they cant explain it properly? I also dont get why they didnt do another Simulated universe expansion or something like that for people to play around with? Hell they couldve easily set up a "Training dream" in that one dimension for the flame chasers where you could have cool combat modes. We've got new characters but no game mode to use them in. There is literally nothing to do

[@wyfuslayer8230]

That's the one thing about FGO that's better than most gacha games. There feels like there are stakes, and characters actually die. They have a good explanation for why you can still summon for characters that die.

[@DartNguyen]

@@wyfuslayer8230 :) sound like you actualy sure can get them

[@DartNguyen]

because they not a shallow dev who can eat anything and made a low effort shit like ww new mode

[@modacross4534]

There is one thing I'll agree wholeheartadly here and that's that basically most Gacha games, even non-Hoyo ones, don't kill of playable characters 99% of the time in a way that makes it stick/makes it feel like an actual death. There are either bait-death('s) or close-to-death-but-not-a-death('s). Hoyoverse has Honkai Impact 3rd with one significant death waaaay back when Himeko died (and to an extent the Flamechasers but they were already dead), and since then none of the playable characters were killed off permenantly (Before anyone mentions Coralie, you can bet your ass she's coming back at some point). While Kuro has Punishing Gray Raven with one Identity Death of Lucia and that's it, any playable character from then on has either been baited or almost killed but they recovered (There's one upcoming patch this year where basically a lot of bad shit happens, and the patch immedietly after fixes literaly all of it). (Mind you, I do believe that they should take risks, as that is one of my biggest gripes with gacha games in general. But since CN has kind of a gorrila grip on what happens in gacha games, it's unlikely to happen)

[@JustGre3d]

@@modacross4534this is what I’m saying, it’s probably just because hoyoverse is really popular but why do people act as if other big gacha games kill off characters left and right? It’s not just HSR or Genshin lol. Personally although I don’t like it I’ve just become numb to it. Because even when I was playing WuWa and shorekeeper had that moment where it seemed like she might be done I knew that wasn’t a possibility.

[@ezray8970]

First off, I ain't a hater-I actually enjoy watching Tectone and will keep doing so. Now that we got that out of the way, lemme get my thoughts out. I've seen him play while completely ignoring strategy, not reading enemy skills or buffs at all. And then hearing him go on about how "you don’t need to think, just pull stronger DPS" with a straight face? Bro, I just can't take that seriously. I still remember that video where he "had" to pull eidolons for his team, and my reaction was straight-up: How do you play this bad with a team like that?! I legit don’t get how you can hold two completely opposite takes at the same time-wanting fights to have strategy but then straight-up ignoring that strategy by not reading or trying to understand the mechanics? And before anyone jumps in with the usual "powercreep" whining-lemme just say, my last pulled DPS was Firefly, and my only solid team is a Break comp. I don’t have meta DPS like Acheron or Feixiao, and I don’t have Aventurine or Robin either, yet I still clear all content with full stars just fine.

[@ouh.didntcuthere6209]

for sure you got busted support like fugue and lingsha

[@ezray8970]

​@@ouh.didntcuthere6209 Yeah, I already said my only strong team is Break.

[@Male_Ficent]

So which supports and dpses do you got?

[@ezray8970]

​@@Male_Ficent Usually, it's Dan Heng IL, Jingliu, or Clara depending on the enemy's weakness, along with Sparkle, Bronya (I swapped her for Sunday), Asta, Tingyun or March 7 Hunt, and some sustain. Also, Himeko and doll Herta for pure fiction.

[@killingwolf5842]

He's a casual, so for him it's "hard" to clear without meta dps or eidolons. It's just a skill issue, I have some friends that just clear this "powercreep-leaning" content by the DoT or even Seele (e0s0) xd. Also, investing in relics or team comp to deal tons of damage may be a lil bit hard for a person who only thinks about boobs or gyats.

[@GarnetRook]

Ngl, Penacony was the last arc I enjoyed in hsr. Yes, not without downsides: the whole “Adventurine is alive and you HAVE to be friends with him” really pissed me off, for example. When I’ve learned that next part of the story would be at Space China (c) again, I felt my desire to play shrink drastically, coz the only area I really liked there was the spoopy gost land. I’m not gonna talk about the power creep aspect, coz it’s obvious and not even worth mentioning at this point

[@oohitzmario]

tbh i still remember the casual tingyuan neck crack, that was sick. wish they would do more of that instead of dw your character has plot armor they all do lets hold hands

[@lenajohnson6179]

For starters.... Death for death's sake... is dumb. Death AS the 'ONLY' stakes is a mental fallacy put into people by the Game of Thrones era... stop expecting everyone to die in storytelling. It's not helping you consume stories properly. Characters only need to die in stories when their death does something for the story or aids in perusing the themes the story is trying to explore. Death itself is not 'stakes' and the conflation that death MUST be occurring all the time to push the stakes of stories has been a growing cancer amongst the consumer base of pretty much every medium for a few years now. Furthermore... did anyone actually CARE about Cocolia? I think Tectone may be imaginin a connection there that didn't even exist in 1.0. She was the villain right out the gate. I don't know that it isn't somewhat revisionism to say 'Cocolia died in 1.0 thus there were stakes'... she was never a playable character, she was never a character that made connections with the MC's... she had a pre-established connection with Bronya yes... but she still counts as a character that's essentially unconnected to the player. As for where a death in HSR could actually add to the story... I know people keep harping on about Himeko, but that's mostly PURELY nostalgia stakes expectation and not one based on any good rational. There's no particularly GOOD reason to kill Himeko in Star Rail as yet... Realistically, I think the only death that would feel all that significant to the Trailblazer in particular is Kafka. She's the character with the closest thing to a history and special personal connection. AS for 3.0... I think it's awful early to be pondering what stakes there may or may not be... Chapter 1 isn't really the place you slap an impactful death or sacrifice.

[@Chun_0w0]

ikr the belief that a “fake death” somehow negates character development and is inherently “bad” storytelling isn’t accurate.

[@27Ganon]

@@Chun_0w0 it very much can and is likely to be though, One Piece is a perfect example of this the problem is TY and Aventurine weren't fakeout deaths, the story very clearly explained that neither of them died (the first was just missing and the latter was just trying to enter the 2nd level of the dream), I don't know how anyone in the community believed that they were dead when even the characters in the story didn't

[@CrispBaker]

It's bizarre that everybody is like NOTHING HAPPENS when Aglaia nearly kills you and then lies about how she "totally wasn't going to really"

[@iioliq]

Belobog wasn’t even 10 hours long or full of yapping . Now that I actually compare it to the 3.0 story I can see a big difference , and it’s disappointing tbh i hope they fix whatever is going on with hsr

[@LazeC014]

The problem with HSR is that their gacha system doesn't really fit the turn based system really well. Other turn based games release plenty of characters constantly and the standard poll has plenty of featured characters in it. Character gimmick like posion builds, stun team, turtle defense team has a lot of characters that can fit them and most characters can fit multiple gimmick teams. Because of these, you can play around enemies weaknesses and enemies gimmicks with plenty of different comps and gimmick teams. For example FGO, tho we have units like Castoria there who is one of the most op support in the game you really can't bring her in all of the story quest bosses because some gimmick doesn't fit well with buffers and shielders (bosses that can erase buffs and poison theme bosses) so you need to adapt and change the team. In HSR you really don't have a choice because the units on certain gimmicks can be counted with your hands. You can't play around weaknesses because units are tied to their gimmicks. You can't mix and match because they are useless without their gimmicks being utilised.

[@killingwolf5842]

That's true, but meta changes quite fast nowadays. Ur just pulling for 1-2 dpses that you enjoy in terms of character/design/lore, and then for their BiS supports, and that's pretty much it. Also, you actually can put ur older dpses into a newer teamcomps to enjoy them in today's meta, so that's not a big of a deal.

[@kaizenn_no]

Nah, the ting is that there's no skill in hsr, just big numbers, the gameplay of hsr just say: you need strong characters and that's it, there are so much turn based games that you need skill

[@banana-xp1fe]

ive learnt today that listening to who you hate in order to hate them more effectively is a good strategy

[@maxhowells6200]

"Ever since they brought the Honkai Impact 3rd writer, it's going down hill" yeap. I have a friend that loves HI3 and he gassed him up so much that I was expecting something great with 2.0 and it was a HUGE disappointment. I quit the game back then and have no regrets listening to the people that still play this yapfest of a game

[@Tomu10682]

I don’t think HSR is fixable unless they buff the old unit and make everything equal again. But we know that Hoyo won’t do that.

[@sakurasan5615]

tectone doesnt know about the flame chasers, otto apocalips, kianas mother, and more. you cant say we remember only himeko just because you know only her.

[@i_lunarr]

i dont quite understand how people played literally 10 horus of story when bny 10 hours in i had already 100 percented multiple areas in amph and had c6 harmony trailblazer while still speed reading but i really do wish they would follow through on killing people i think it felt longer than it was because of the lack of actual expression with character models etc

[@MA-lz7vc]

Shaoji doesn't just work on the story chapters, he works on the whole Honkai, but the problem is that starting with HSR his storylines... Very meh... Elysian Realm remains his best arc, everything after it is done very poorly Btw Tectone doesn't know anything about Hi3rd beyond the Himeko chapter after all Hi3rd is the only HoYo game where more important characters have died than I have fingers on both hands Himeko 10 out of 13 flamechasers Otto Cecilia Sirin Kallen Sakura (Current era) Coralie (hope devs won't resurrect her cuz its part 2 and i don't know if they're afraid to kill characters in part 2) Welt Joyce Ana Schariac Even dude called Owl (i know many people just don't care about whole Ana x Owl chapter but devs did great job on these characters) Dr.MEI (previous era) And so on

[@AzZRaii]

Yep its cuz the casual playerbase mainly talks abt Himeko’s death because of its impact to Kiana’s growth but the others aren’t talked about as much and these cc’s think they know it all 😂😂

[@waeadas4055]

You hi3 fanboys are exaggerating just to make your favorite shit game look good, only Himeko is the playable char that really died and has impactful death. Flame chasers already died and they are just like hologram so who give a fuck if they "died" again. Elysian realm also sucks but hi3 fan base has low standard thats why they think its good. That shit has a bunch of yap as well. Otto death is also not playable char and its expected that he's gonna die since he's a villain.

[@waeadas4055]

The other chars you mentioned also doesn't have meaningful death like they are from the past who cares. Its like including playable char's grandpa death story or something 😂

[@BloodFortAndromeda]

miyoho is doing a lot of "We're going to make the new cycle match the new unit's kit so we can incentivise people to pull them to not suck at this week's PF/MOC/etc" plus also they really did screw shit up with units that force weakness on enemies like firefly and fugue. you know what we get in return for that? New mechanics for future bosses that go "no, i have a mechanic that completely stops your damage unless you clear my mechanic.... that the new banner unit clears because we designed it that way, so go pull the new unit" the issue is they keep forcing specific playstyles , and anyone not fortunate enough to have the units will suffer for, and that gets real boring, real fast. they're kinda doing this a bit in ZZZ too with deadly assault. U got the right units to fill these criteria? no? aw too bad, enjoy your 1 star, or even no star. This week's defense too, with bosses having one electro weakness boss on each round from like stage 4-7. they really want people to play harumasa.

[@tonegeeko]

im just waiting for fate stuff if the collab ever happens, if it doesnt live up to my expectations im just completely dropping the game forever (im a huge geek for fate)

[@RealJayNice]

Fate Collab is in like September 2025 I think that’s the rumor.

[@pndrsh]

it's July what u on

[@RealJayNice]

@@pndrshIt’s not that deep tf you getting offended for.💀

[@xzayoi]

I'm just saving for SaberE6S1 otherwise I'd have already left the game.

[@nope1726]

Wish the collab was with any other game except hsr

[@lionearth3190]

The only character I was invested in the game was Yanqing. Bro is maturing, I'm happy that the general is raising him up to be a good leader.

[@owowo7623]

Every 1000 likes = restore 1 strand of hair tectone been missing 😢😢😢

[@spix6978]

For me personally, as someone who's only spent money on the HSR welkin, i havent seen the need to pull for eidolons, let alone E2. I agree that yes those eidolons give an insane upgrade, but not to the point where it just sucks ass if i keep them at E0. All my 5 limited 5 stars at E0, and the only ones with s1 are acheron's and the herta's. I pulled for these two not because there wasnt an alternative, buy solely because i just liked the characters and simce i won the 50/50 for the character banner, i had jades to spare for the lightcone banner. So far ive not really had a problem getting the max score on all endgame modes. I agree with everything else though, especially the lack of danger part. There's not really any shock value, and it boils down to "if this character is playable, they're gonna be fine". EVEN during the aglaea interrogation i could not take it seriously, hell even the trailblazer has the option to still play around with certain dialogue options.

[@NotKuri]

I remember watching this live, and having similar thoughts to what Tectone had, I've been talking about this for months with people but people just refuse to listen (granted i was also in spaces where people just liked to cope) but differently from how Tectone expects the best out of most games that have potential to grow into something better, I have given up on expecting a lot of these games to grow this way because there's always more people who prefer a more stagnant way of playing said games and as a result I feel like more games in the future will feel like this, unfortunate that its already the case with so many games. I know games like WuWa are trying to push the barrier, but I'm not going to expect much from others who clearly have no intention of trying to grow the scope of the game and instead just want ways for the players to spend more money to do the bare minimum for the current state of the game. Apologies, I can't word myself too well, and while some may think that my comment on the topic was a nothingburger, it comes from a place of someone who saw the potential for so many of these games, only to watch them turn into glorified cashgrab simulators.

[@skimpyshaco9749]

I completely agree to everything, I went from switching my teams for different situations and building my favorite characters like Hook or Dan Heng then try to beat Svarogg Onto having all my team pre-setups into as different metas because I cant clear the content without them

[@rrxphvel871]

I think 3.0 feels like an introduction to asmorpheus, some big things are going to happen for sure (I fucking hope).

[@AzZRaii]

most definitely since it drags until 3.8 i believe?

[@Randomaccount-h2e]

I agree tbh. I think the worst thing hoyoverse can do is “raise the difficulty” by simply increasing bosses HP. Plot is difficult to follow/understand and I don’t understand the concept behind keeping all playable characters alive when the story would be made much more interesting if the company wasn’t afraid of killing off characters. Besides surely that would result in more sales no? Imagine a character dies and you’ll never see them again unless you pull for them. Surely that would benefit us as the story is made more interesting but also the hoyo since more people will be pulling.

[@CMaxoknight31]

I feel like most of what he said in the video was (partially) delusion from the early game. Back then you NEEDED to play around the bosses mechanics because you didn't have the gear/units to ignore it. Now we can just basically brute force anything

[@Ghalion666]

I made a long reply nobody will read I'm sure, but yeah I basically said this, and I don't even think Hoyo is at fault for that. The players themselves cry and moan if they take more than 2 cycles to clear content that it takes too long, and then they wonder why the content is not fufilling because HTF can you have complicated mechanics if you have to cram it all in 1 cycle.

[@tehchris]

I'm currently filtered by the story boss because I realized the big Nikador boss fight was a DPS check -- and I don't have the DPS. Pissed me off so bad when I realized it's a DPS/gear check with no real thoughtful mechanics. Makes me glad that GFL2 is so fun right now, I'm playing way more of that right now.

[@dragonza11]

CC's need to stop complaining about the 'yap' when their attention span is literally that of a 4 year old, hell these days most people are like that. i have seen your streams, the moment the tension isnt at max or there are no hot women on screen, you just get bored after 2 sentences and complain

[@27Ganon]

I don't think he gets bored, he mentioned liking the story personally while playing I feel like he lets chat control his impressions of the game though e.g. his thoughts on Sunday when chat made him skip 2.7, him thinking he needs eidolons and sigs because chat (who is worse at the game than he is) says so

[@619gh8]

Uinstalled it but I still do want to be updated about how shitty it went

[@angryowlcat]

maybe i am overly optimistic... but i think the whole Amphoreus is a filler patch. They probably realized they need more time to work on the next worlds, and they involved HI3 devs to make Amphoreus for now, while the core team is working on something bigger. Cuz think about it, the planet is disconnected from the core lore (with minor mentions of 3 Aeons, but still no IPC, Nanuk, etc.). So whatever they do there, will not impact the rest of the game much. Totally not COPIUM. But I 100% agree that I am less motivated to play the game, even tho at the start I was addicted to finishing all highest difficulty conundrums with my Imbibitor, Kafka or Jing Liu..

[@Male_Ficent]

What makes you think it wouldn't have any bearing in the grander scheme of things? Cause if that really is the case, then they're fcked in the head for wasting all our time in this side-story planet. Didn't they mention that the main quest will last until 3.7? Do you understand how messed up that is if all this wouldn't even benefit the endgame storyline?

[@kacper0563]

​@@Male_FicentI wouldn't put it past them, so far amphoreus just feels like a set up for the fate collab with the whole "summon the heroes of the past" schtick.

[@angryowlcat]

@@Male_Ficent My thought process: 1. Only mc and dan hang were able to get in Amphoreus and Hoyo presented a 12 new Amphoreus related characters. 2 banners per patch = 6 patches, plus maybe 2 patches with only reruns. Soo, it means we shall not expect anyone outside to get into Amphoreus in the foreseeable future. The planet will remain isolated, except for Memokeepers and maybe other members of the express. 2. The planet has been sealed away long time ago, cuz almost nothing is known about it. Which leaves 2 future scenarios: we will unseal Amphoreus like we did Belobog oooor the whole planet is just a memory of the past (that's why we have so much influence of Remembrance in this patch) and no longer exists. Which gives a question, why do we even need this planet as part of the lore? My expectation they will connect it to the past of March 7th, who is likely to be from Amphoreus and they will make a grand reveal in the middle of the patch. And additionally, as many creators noticed there are similarities between Phainon and Nanuk. This could be the backstory of the main evil guy we need to fight in the end. If u r familiar with Harry Potter series, kinda like Chamber of Secrets. We befriend a mysterious good guy, who appears to be a monster in the end. But overall it doesn't change much, only gives us the backstory. but that's just a theory!

[@victorleese9491]

10:36 thats literally her whole damn character. If ur taking sparkle seriously maybe u should pay more attention to how she talks and behaves, especially considering shes a masked fool, u know....the group who likes Aha 🤣

[@Chun_0w0]

7:43 all of the flamechasers including Elysia in Elysium Realm could be an exception since they were simulations, but we had Otto Apocalypse & Coralie... people still die in HI3, using it is not reinforcing your point. Also concerning fake deaths, if the event had an impact then it being fake or not doesn't really matter. People didn't care about Cocolia like that.

[@Yoonoh]

I disagree with your take on fake deaths somewhat. there is a form of diminishing returns on fake deaths, where each time they do one the next one will feel less impactful, and eventually even a impactful real death will feel unimportant cause players will have an expectation of "they will come back in 2 patches"

[@saikvo]

I have this same feeling. I played on launch and when IL Dan Heng came out I mained him, and still have him as my current main team because I love it (for reference I have his sig, and he is E0) I recently had to finally get a replacement (The Herta) because I couldn't complete content within a reasonable cycle with him anymore. (Example: That big sunday fight before it changed, I completed with around 500 points remaining.) While my Feixiao completed hers with 1700ish left. I've tried getting him as stacked as much as I can without getting any copies, but it feels impossible with him. I have the relics, and his best team, yet it doesn't do enough anymore. When Sparkle came out he was honestly only good for an extra patch, and then felt garbage afterwards.

[@urosdimitrijevic8120]

I believe That Acheron was a gate, gate to 7B. Hp and all type shred, power creep just sky rocketed when Acheron released. So many people pulled for her and S1 (also myself) so developer have decided NoW PoLl for E1 S1. it just makes me burn out to farm jades for 1 caracter and wapon. P.S. Silver Wolf was fine in 1.1 - 1.6 She felt both random and fatr

[@meowblaziken5634]

catwithbluehat - the lore channel literally summarize the whole 10hr story gameplay of 3.0 into 5min video only...

[@puyu9349]

i agree with this, there is other turn base gacha game which handle difficulties in powercreeping boss fine other than having only bigger hp pool, they actually have some mechanic you need to do and understand in order to clear the boss. not just like i have character a and b and boom i could clear this boss full auto. this state is so sad because i really like the game

[@mahmudalvi4523]

3:40 Make sense. Sometimes, you cannot enjoy the good games if you don't want to. I enjoy a game if I want to enjoy the game, then if the game is actually enjoyable, that part comes later.

[@killingwolf5842]

True. Personal engagement into the game really makes a big difference to continue playing it. If you feel it, you will enjoy it no matter what anybody says.

[@lukasbach6174]

how about you stop spending 300 bucks a month so lategame will be harder. Ah wait, you dont even play ;) but at least every character xDDD and then he complains

[@Teru91333319]

The guerilla is literally the most perfect, apt showcase of what happened with the game. The first guerilla we got, we had to play around skill usage. The next one we got? It was either you had Aventurine (Or Gepard i guess...) or you just didn't interact with the guerilla's mechanics at all.

[@gengarscurse]

Teccy I fully agree with you and it does not help that CCs were also pushing that you *HAVE* to pull for a lightcone or eidolons (acheron) otherwise the character is not good. Realistically, if you *NEED* to pull for an eidolon or a lightcone for a character to be good, the character is just not good. If you have to pull for an LC or eidolon to make a team composition work for what was fine earlier, there is an absolute problem. It was so nice building teams around weaknesses and mechanics which made me feel like I was truly battling that enemy. Now, I pulled characters for super break and fua along with DOT because I love DOT. What in the world happened? The biggest mistake did come from Silverwolf, but what seemed helpful in the game's early state made it become the danger of what we see now. Mono quantum was a brute force, but even that was not as braindead as me needing to choose certain team compositions along with needing to pull for new units to clear. To me, my account feels weaker unless I pull for a new character, and I should not feel that way at all. Anybody can call this a skill issue, but the HP inflation does not help that. A different issue: The story is okay, but there is so much dialogue just there to be there when it could easily be summed up. The 8-10 hours of the story felt dreadful at times, and I felt the same during Penacony. Now even though it is not the VAs fault for whatever is happening, it feels so empty to hear nothing during xyz voicelines. I'd even be fine with some silly Google reader just to hear something because the emptiness ruins the immersion. "Just play in JP because JP is better!" Then why have EN in the first place? I enjoy listening to the story in English and then playing the rest of the game in JP. I also dislike the lack of expressiveness and fluidity, props to ZZZ. Random take: Is it not stupid how the winners for the superstar stellar jade event thing are only 2 winners, so far being mainly EU and ASIA servers, and it is not 3 winners of being 1 from each server?

[@viabhavgulati5474]

You never neeed a lightcone tho? Also if i remember correctly each server gets 2 people selected.

[@blazewardog]

I mean Girl's Frontline killed 90% of the cast 4 years ago and the Commander hasnt been in a situation where he could even restore a significant chunk of them since even though they are all robots. It also killed the duoprotaganist of Ange last year and you actually felt that loss. Read the story in the cutscene interpreter if the gameplay doesn't look like your thing (or don't want to catch up on an 8 year old gatcha), but it is one of the best stories in gatcha as there are stakes that characters actually can fail against.

[@Cromonas]

I don't get much of the points Tectone is making because I have a very different understanding or view of almost everything.

[@killingwolf5842]

It's because you actually played the game and enjoyed it, I guess. What can we expect from a casual boobs-engaged bald man and his half-brainless takes? Those who wants to continue enjoying will do it, so am I or you :)

[@27Ganon]

I'm hardcore invested into HSR but his complaints about the follow up team or super break team trivializing everything are valid. Some of the units/archetypes available to us are just too strong, making the endgame trivial, even if enemy mechanics are more complex than they've ever been.

[@izumolee6714]

I use to play it for long periods of time. Like fooling around in SimUni, mint collecting on the map, farming relics and planary sets, finding all the secret treasures on the map, doing the mini game stuff...etc. Now all i do is log in, do the dailies, spending the energy and log out. I just don't feel like spending longer than i have to on the game when before i did. However in WuWa ever since 2.0 cause i quit after 1.1 cause i wasn't feeling it but ever since 2.0 i've been farming echos, exploring the map, trying to get 100% on all the zones, simply flying just cause we can. It's such a much enjoyable experience than HSR now and that wasn't the case before.

[@sydannus8302]

FINALLY someone is talking about the shift in the combat. Cut and paste team compositions are absolutely the least interesting part of these sorts of games and the mix and match for the right fight was what made this game’s combat so fun in the past. Characters like Firefly absolutely did not need weakness implant. Let them be niche and it would not be a bad thing to have a character like Silver Wolf be situationally a good teammate to make them viable. It’s fucking lame that break is just pick 4 of Rappa/Firefly, HMC, Ruan Mei, Fugue, some random sustain no matter what you are playing against.

[@sydannus8302]

Also, Sunday is the biggest fuck you kind of character design I have seen. He’s just an action advance but again, clearly power creeping Sparkle and Bronya with absolutely nothing interesting to add from a gameplay perspective. It’s an excuse for anyone who is interested in the new path to be dependant on him, and to bloat energy costs. There is absolutely *nothing* that stops them from making memosprites compatible with Bronya/sparkle, but they’ve done it the way they have purely to force a narrow, boring, copy paste team composition with a new character that we all know is just going to be replaced in some unknown period between 3 months to a year and we have no way of making a judgement.

[@pieman2025]

Oof no boothill mention, but yeah i do agree with your sentiments mostly, the weakness implants are ok but the abundance that FF has is a bit much imo.

[@sydannus8302]

@ ngl, I forgot about him but he does at least have slightly more team variance. Still a similar point though.

[@Mafuyu24542]

[Story spoiler for the ongoing lantern rite in Genshin] They did a similar thing with this years event with Hu Tao. They ‘killed’ her off but then IN THE SAME HOUR of playtime she’s brought back which just feels like a bad storytelling experience. What’s the point of killing someone off and magically they’re back too soon for the death to even settle in or feel impactful

[@kaizenn_no]

It's an event, why kill a character and in further version nobody will know that she died?

[@Radish21]

hsr 3.0 made me switch to zzz since it has a skip button, and the devs have improved the game a shit ton.

[@Randomaccount-h2e]

Play wuwa

[@rexconnorisacvck]

​@@Randomaccount-h2eno

[@jWeslo]

​@@Randomaccount-h2e i play both

[@Radish21]

@@jWeslo i play wuwa its my favourite gacha

[@dudas12100]

I like Herta a lot and so when that section at the end appeared, I was excited. But at the end of it it was just a big nothing burger. The whole section was leading up to her meeting the Aeon and they she gets interrupted by Sunday and Welt. The end. It felt like a last minute add-on to try and sell the banner.