Pronouns, Pride and the history of language

#shorts #tedx #ted #pride #pronouns #gender #linguistics #history

[@UnkleBen]

it's actually REALLY EASY! All YOU do, is "allow" other "free" people define their reality the SAME way you've been allowed to do your whole life! 😂

[@deanoxd968]

Then stay out of society.. 🤷🏻‍♂️

[@kiwijulix9403]

right? you'd think it's quite easy to do but some really hate the thought of free expression and choice :')

[@deanoxd968]

@@kiwijulix9403 you do realise expressing and choice is everyone individual decision… other people also have the right to not agree when it’s being thought to children .. you wanna be a wolf in sheep’s clothing then do it at home. Society has structure . Without structure people don’t function .

[@UnkleBen]

@@deanoxd968 "without structure people dont function" ... wow.

[@deanoxd968]

@@UnkleBen yes uncle Ben .. it’s called chaos . Society is a structure. You just think everyone wants to clip your pink wings and your some special unique little snow flake … your not .. your a human .. get a grip on yourself and move on with your life .. nobody cares

[@LeonaWillis]

Old English...is relevant to what group of people?

[@eternalelife]

WTF. HOW TF is this on TedTalk Im done with tedtalk holy sht

[@Turtleycute]

This is not the first time TED have posted something queer-friendly 🤷🏻‍♂️

[@timple89]

I love how these people are capable of rewriting history so they can justify the stupidity they believe.

[@Turtleycute]

Ok then, go correct Shakespeare 🤷🏻‍♂️

[@MrFidoD]

What about WTF!!!

[@kiwijulix9403]

what about go scroll away ?

[@Fatherthesnow]

@@kiwijulix9403 That's not how freedom of opinion works

[@crunchynuttcornflake]

Well done. Now lets get back to reality and stop pandering to this nonsense.

[@kiwijulix9403]

you can happily live in a delusional world while the rest of us behave like grown ups in the real world

[@deanoxd968]

If they ask us why do we care ? Why are they trying to convince us ? They want us to care ? Or not ? ..

[@kiwijulix9403]

we want you to simply be respectfull and consider based on facts how it has been a normal thing that language evolves and changes and has been reused many times.

[@deanoxd968]

@@kiwijulix9403 who’s normal is that .. there’s no facts there’s only short stories

[@scottjohnson4985]

Ok that’s enough, moving on we have more important things to focus on

[@deanoxd968]

Sounds like someone trying to convince people of something and brainwashing with references from 600 years ago… a time of lesser development.. who are they trying to convince ? Themselves ?

[@johngardner8824]

A computer is not an it, a computer is a computer try and tell a computer different try and tell me that a man is not a woman or a woman is not a man and I'll point out the differences quickly

[@gTP9412]

They, a word which here means to refer to people in a general way or to a group of people who are not specified. Them, a word which here is a word used as object of a verb or preposition.

[@UnkleBen]

You have to take English 101 * to understand what you just said..."i" do, but "they" don't.

[@gTP9412]

@UnkleBen I mean, I want to be kind/ be accepting of everyone. But when you want me to use the same word I use to say that a group of people just went to the park, I think you should go back to school. Use a noun or something else.

[@Dx-Dm]

There are additional definitions that correspond to the video's use of the terms, but you seem to have omitted those. They have also been used for hundreds of years. Check the Oxford English Dictionary, or others.

[@shein6155]

I can accept they or them but ze zem bom boom and demon self is too much

[@aldomcl19]

Que triste encontrar contenido como este en una TED talk

[@Dx-Dm]

They've been doing content like this for well over a decade. I'm not sure what you think TED talk is, but you might want to reevaluate your assumptions.

[@chineduemma8714]

This is a definition of iko mgbu.

[@seth.remar.supreme]

There was an insane amount of attempts to justify trans ideas, but every one of them are failed. Please stop.

[@Dx-Dm]

There were no justifications. There were explanations.

[@chriswilliams6896]

The pronoun “It” is gender neutral.

[@stephaneboisjoli1320]

Yes, you're it. It is not a person. They is a person.

[@Fatherthesnow]

​@@stephaneboisjoli1320 Doesn't* (for franxy who I deeply harmed by writing "don't") schools in america teach you about they/them being plural ?

[@franxyt6424]

​@@Fatherthesnow did u go to school? Because the one that needs to go back to school seems u. It doesn't exist the verb to school lmao. Where did u grow up?

[@Fatherthesnow]

@@franxyt6424 Minor grammatical mistake 😱 My life is ruined ! Lmao. I grew up in France, born here obviously, so I speak french, english, arabic (since moroccan) and currently am learning chinese. I'm SO astronomically sorry for this little mistake that mustve gave you an intense and traumatic panic attack. And it doesn't make my question any less relevant btw (:

[@Nick-Odd]

'They' is not a person, it is a group of people... And for your information, 'it' is not just an object, it's also a child/kid, so it's easier to extend the use of this pronoun instead of using a plural one, and make things hard to understand.​ @@stephaneboisjoli1320

[@pnalagonda]

Is there different groups for content on Tedx. Like tech, politics. So we can choose what to watch and cut of rest?

[@kiwijulix9403]

hear me out, there is a really fun feature you use every day. you just use one of your fingers, place it on the screen and move it up. it's called scrolling OR, a bit more difficult, hold your finger on the screen until various options pop up and click on "not interested" you're welcome

[@Slashy.]

As someone who uses all pronouns, yes, even IT, the comment section is truly strange TwT

[@kiwijulix9403]

youtube shorts comments tend to be sad and disappointing :(. it sucks to see people have so little understanding and human decency. just know there are still people who are supportive and part of the community. we won't stop advocating!

[@hitmanb33b3]

TF IS THAT THING

[@Fatherthesnow]

A they/them apparently

[@UnkleBen]

used to be called a "she-he" or a "he-she" depending on original equipment...

[@wesleigazo]

Why don't you use "It"? This is neutral.

[@sweetblack1216]

Good point

[@Username0467]

It’s generally dehumanizing. Most people don’t even refer to animals as it in western culture at this point.

[@123321ps]

Just stay ur LGBTQ++++++ in the west. The rest of the world don't want any of those twisted value. Don't try to shove it tp others when others don't accept it.

[@keshav.918]

Its much better

[@Sxd212]

Because it’s generally used for objects and not people.

[@12345danwilde]

Beginning of the end….

[@janainawaechter427]

Right? My respect to tedx fell 40% with this 😂

[@stephaneboisjoli1320]

End of what? You've been through so many ends including the end of injustice with women voting but apparently suddenly it's too much. Need to go back in time, evolving is too much for you.

[@Dx-Dm]

If respecting people is the end of things, then so be it.

[@getprobed838]

It's sad it seems that their gender identity is all they've got going on in their lives.

[@Dx-Dm]

I'm non-binary and my life is more than my identity. I have a career, family, friends, and hobbies. My identity is part of my life, but there is more to it than that.

[@Turtleycute]

I mean… they’re literally giving TED talks about language and stuff. Looks like they do have more going on in their lives

[@Fatherthesnow]

Ted talk is at it too now ? 🤦🏻‍♂️

[@Dx-Dm]

They have published pro-humanistic content for a very long time. You're at least a decade late to the party.

[@Fatherthesnow]

@@Dx-Dm Pro-humanistic content yeah I'm well aware. But directly promoting "non binarity" ?

[@Dx-Dm]

@@Fatherthesnow speaking as a non-binary person, I do view such content as consistent with humanism.

[@lorenzthuringer1540]

​@@Fatherthesnow Idk, did you need tips to become better as a soccer coach? Do you have to become a recovering alcoholic because that was a topic on ted?

[@Fatherthesnow]

@@lorenzthuringer1540 Lmao what

[@sultan92busaidi]

🤮

[@IAMTHEGOOCHALMIGHTY]

I believe there is still time to take this down

[@Dx-Dm]

There's a similar amount of time to keep it up.

[@kiwijulix9403]

i think there is just as much time to just scroll away. you're just promoting it further to be shown to more people.

[@matanyaholmes3964]

Wow this channel went down hill

[@arnicamoana7861]

People are, as usual, crying about they/them pronouns being too confusing. Kind of like children.

[@cje33vidz]

🤦‍♂️

[@nickjames_999]

💀

[@richardfors6629]

I’m genuinely just curious to know if someone here in the comments that identifies as they/them can explain if you’re using pronouns that in at least our modern times are used to identify a plural, does this mean you feel you have a duel personality or because you feel that the using IT is demeaning?

[@Turtleycute]

I use he/they pronouns. They/ them gets used as single pronouns all of the time. “My friend likes baseball. They are good at it.” or “Someone lost their wallet yesterday. I hope they found it.” It has nothing to do with duel identities as they/them is acceptable as a single pronoun. It just comes to the fact that it’s gender neutral so some people feel more comfortable using those pronouns than he or she. Also, some people do prefer to use It as a pronoun. It just depends on the person (but a lot of transphobic people do use It as an insult so 🤷🏻‍♂️). Hope this helps ❤️. If you need more info plz ask or google it 😊.

[@richardfors6629]

@@Turtleycute o yeah, never thought about that😬 English is not my first language but I understand. Thank you 😊

[@Turtleycute]

@@richardfors6629 you’re so welcome ❤️😊

[@ferminiglesias243]

Ridiculous

[@basmaladahawy3530]

انتي بتتكلمي كد لي يا مرا 🙂

[@jcrocks6698]

Good Lord. A lot of misunderstanding of linguistics and a reductive view of history. They is from the Old Norse, but it has always been a plural word. And Middle English was used in the 1300s, not Old English. It's like someone here slept through half a lecture and adapted what they did hear to fit their worldview. Just say language changes and usage and definitions of words change. Don't lie to try to "prove" the historicity of a usage that's only been occurring for the past few decades.

[@stephenschelin963]

It's just slang. I can call my friends bros or homies. The difference is I am not insisting society should use my language. Why should I make an acception for you? 😢

[@remigiuszlenski2257]

World is ending 🙈

[@UnkleBen]

because you dont agree with the words COMPLETE STRANGERS self identity with?! your world is pathetic *and needs to end

[@kiwijulix9403]

good bye to you then 🙈

[@MrDantab1980]

I would like to see how many thumbs down are giving to this video. Is there anyway to find out?

[@CammiseM]

Did you know? It is a feature of literary style in Arabic that a person may refer to himself by the pronoun nahnu, ‘We’, for respect or glorification.

[@ziakhanachakzai1664]

🧢

[@CammiseM]

@@ziakhanachakzai1664 I don't speak emoji fluently...

[@chriswilliams6896]

This is English not Arabic, and context matters.

[@CammiseM]

@@chriswilliams6896 The title doesn't mention English only or context...

[@chriswilliams6896]

@@CammiseMWell let me put it into context for you. They’re talking about the English language, and words used to adapt to certain situations. What they failed to mention is that while “they/them” are gender neutral They have a plurality to them. This doesn’t apply to people with split personality disorder. What we need to do as a society is stop conforming to nonsense and get these people the psychiatric help they need.

[@daledevernon56]

Still trying to find the angle to justify the delusion.

[@AntonViktorovich-r5u]

Первая это мужчина или женщина?

[@sacardawadi]

hide comments spread lies

[@islembrm]

Bye bye

[@Dx-Dm]

Bye!

[@_brownboyjo_]

You trying too hard 😂

[@mariomitkov4909]

Okay and?

[@judod97]

wtf is this

[@sacardawadi]

hi

[@mohammadmenkabo9449]

Unsubscribed

[@Dx-Dm]

Bye!

[@kiwijulix9403]

aww how sad :'( we won't miss you

[@doctor_mushied]

Failed society

[@sthasilver]

No one cares!

[@Dx-Dm]

And yet you are commenting.

[@bettyboohadapoo]

Canterbury Tales by Geoffrey Chaucer, end of 14c used all pronouns described here. Problem was however, it created a "them", therefore creating an "us", hence it went out of fashion and use. Politically it plays into the hands of dividing folk.

[@cona94]

They always find minutia’s in history or simply alter history to fit their narrative, it’s part of the process.

[@luke.dethomas]

Sorry in school I was taught they/them are plural pronouns. Until someone can explain a legitimate reason for a single entity to be called a plural pronoun.I choose to use the persons proper name and no pronouns to describe them. Maybe try inventing a new one.

[@UnkleBen]

"they" DID!!! you just cant accept things that confooose you 😢

[@Dx-Dm]

They went over some of the history of those pronouns in the video. Did you not watch it, or are the only things you've ever learned the things you've learned in school?

[@stephenschelin963]

​@@Dx-DmI missed the beginning of the video.. When you say "they" went over the history are you referring to wife beater, glasses, or both of them? It's confusing.

[@luke.dethomas]

@@UnkleBen I am not confused by what they said at all. They made no point which I consider valid. I don't see how it is rude to use someone name instead of a pronoun.

[@luke.dethomas]

@@Dx-Dm Their historical reason is weak and not a valid reason in my eyes to use plurality for singularity

[@quhawks48]

Two birds on stage trying to force a weird change in common sense English.

[@josemserratosafernandez5291]

Very interesting, while 70% of the population has serious problems, 30% is spending their energy in stupidities. Like in idiocracy, the movie.

[@Dx-Dm]

Must every video only address serious problems or problems that you deem serious? That seems unreasonable. Furthermore, if it doesn't seem like a significant problem to you, I might suggest watching a different video.

[@e4tm333]

Looks like Rab C Nesbit with red hair

[@shivamtrivedi1684]

There are only 2 pronouns : He and She. It is a pronoun used for dogs, cats and other animals and also non living objects.

[@UnkleBen]

ah, English Language major I see... smh. Dude what'd you get a c minus in English in 10th grade?! school... phhhht!

[@Dx-Dm]

Your assertion would seem to be contradicted by the many people that use additional pronouns. Perhaps you were just stating wishful thinking?

[@sjenkauski5235]

They them is neutral cause it's plural. It is neutral singular. They them works with groups of people.

[@kiwijulix9403]

and a singular person just like it has been before and in many other languages

[@Logined85]

Indeed there is a neutral pronoun. That's "it".

[@Uihgtjhfghbhjbg]

I am not interested in your world view, so stop promoting it for everyone, we really don’t care .

[@Dx-Dm]

I am interested and I think that they will continue.

[@lalitsingh4124]

Tedx =joker

[@paulbrice9113]

Sophism.

[@Dx-Dm]

A strange assertion that seems to lack evidence.

[@gamingtonight1526]

If it was used by weirdo's 700 years ago, why should I become a weirdo and use those words?

[@Dx-Dm]

Perhaps you can do so as a personal growth activity to become less judgmental about others.

[@chriswilliams6896]

It is grammatically incorrect, and pronouns have a purpose and a specific function in a sentence. If you’re identifying as two separate people they have a name for that as well. It’s called split personality disorder.

[@stephaneboisjoli1320]

You just listened to a video telling you the exact opposite. There's a name for that. Closed minded, and know it all.

[@Dx-Dm]

Honestly, you should probably watch the video you're commenting on. Grammar changes and evolves over time, and those pronouns have been in use for hundreds of years.

[@UnkleBen]

here's how it was explained to me that made sense: "they" is fitting for a "he-she" because there's 2 pronouns in use.

[@kiwijulix9403]

it isn't tho. as they said lanuage evolves and many grammatical strucktures and words today didn't exist back then or still exist today, maybe with a different meaning as well. plus it is called dissociative identity disorder, which is like the name says a mental disorder caused by trauma NOT a quirky thing to identify as "2 people at once"

[@kiwijulix9403]

​@@Dx-Dm I've seen your comments a lot in this comment section and am thankful to see someone like minded advocating this much. thank you! :)

[@NicoSmets]

Onslow is the new style.

[@owlson2527]

Remember that instead of spreading negativity in the comments, you can simply not engage with the content, watch a different video. It makes the world just a bit less angry ❤

[@hannibal8049]

I get your point, but the "cultural battle" is neccesary for society

[@Dx-Dm]

​@@hannibal8049 I can't tell if this is sarcasm, but it doesn't make any sense to me.

[@kiwijulix9403]

​@@hannibal8049 or hear me out, crazy idea, just let people live and express themselves how they want to? just like you can? it could be very easy, it is not that deep and no reason to make a "battle" out of it

[@cristobalrojas3712]

We do not spread negativity. We just denounce what is not true and we are not going to remain silent.

[@Pandabubba9]

I like the dad after work look Took off the button down, left the dressed pants and belt on Undershirt on Tired office worker

[@shaddapforever]

My pronouns are The She It!

[@mjmasseytan2151]

Shims . She hims

[@LIL-SNURF]

Herms her him

[@Gualanca]

If that thing with red hair is in this program, you can also can! C’mon cheer up

[@Pandabubba9]

I like the dad after work look Took off the button down, left the dressed pants and belt on Undershirt on Tired office worker

[@ImperfectionGuaranteed]

_'thit'_ - would suffice.