Why e-learning is killing education | Aaron Barth | TEDxKitchenerED

[@soundaryar459]

A lot of people seem to be pointing out the fact that the title is misleading, and that it isn't about online learning in particular. Yes, they're right, but I think the inefficiency is more pronounced in online classes, perhaps that's what the speaker was trying to say? Anyhow, the points were all very valid. Education needs a big change.

[@byronkadum5834]

Blaming e-learning when the real problem that he is trying to explain is the inability of teachers to "storytell" in the way they teach.

[@roshanjaguja2783]

That's What he said we Forgot people🤦🏻‍♂️🤦🏻‍♂️

[@lc1777]

@@Nicolas-km8wr My eyes are dead by studying online

[@barbarareichart267]

I think he makes a valid point with regards to E-learning. He says that the current structure of the tools focuses on quizzes and presenting facts, which makes educators forget that they should embed learning into a story. It would be great to have learning tools that facilitate telling interactive stories.

[@ashishkadakia1129]

@Se A Somehow you are building a story while teaching yourself.

[@cautarepvp2079]

@@lc1777 yeah.. myopia is skyrocketing lol

[@JC-kp3bf]

I am e-learning this TED video...

[@irashidlone.17]

Then don't do, let's meet him, he will do it for you ofline.

[@UXtatic]

😂😂

[@GarrettEderer]

@[ 桂木優 ]KᗩTᔕᑌᖇᗩGI i agree with you.

[@abubakarabdulkadir8442]

😆😂🤣

[@sashavyf]

😂😂😂🤣

[@gordoncarscadden7735]

Watched a video from Carl sagan and he spoke of how young children enter school full of wonder and questions and graduate with these qualities gone. Something seriously wrong with our school system

[@matthewvanmatre5137]

It’s free! You get what you pay for (20 yr teacher).

[@AlexKomnenos]

When you jam into kids’ heads that they’re nothing but products of time+matter+chance then gee I wonder why?

[@RoshanKumar-ix4ol]

Not school system but the school students who dont have imagination like carl sagan

[@jackieruiz3645]

@@matthewvanmatre5137 Actually, it’s not.

[@tabrezshaikh2385]

There's nothing in the world more powerful than a good story. ~Tyrion Lannister

[@eduardsragze2496]

Power is Power ~Cersei

[@jameshunt2905]

Better words were never spoken.......... In my opinion there is nothing that is learned well and applied in many more situations and experiences in life that stories don’t institute the framework for....... its here I’d affirm the value of experience shared and developed through story as well. Fun fact: certain cultures refer to time spent, hanging out, gossiping in a social sense, and teaching one another as “talking story”.

[@aravinds3846]

And who had a better story than bran the broken

[@totoplopp6630]

Story telling in math: Johnny was super excited about measuring the volume of his cardboard box but his cat had sat on it and made it crooked. Now he had to measure the volume of a paralellpiped oh no! He remembered that the determinant of a matrix made of 3 vectors gave him the volume... Lol

[@AdrianDanielGuard]

Tell the kids the story of how Erathostenes discovered the Earth's circumference.

[@argentinanaoma1247]

Or how Magellan first circumnavigated the wooorldd

[@maknyc1539]

ok

[@RoshanKumar-ix4ol]

How newton discovered calculus for century old problems !

[@khvostov7g-0x17]

Math took thousands of years to develop. Knowing the history and how the concepts students learn were found would enrich the learning experience

[@1999theskullcrack]

As long as people want money, nothing will change, schools will remain as dull human generators

[@jimhughes1962]

Vortexian 2 ~ Indeed. The question that is not being asked is “Why?”

[@rhylynddinsmore7298]

@@Coralysis2390 nothing has changed outside of adjusting the school system to the modern model. More useless assignments, group projects, and a problem-solving focus are now main stage because that's what employers want in new employees. They need people to mindlessly do busy work at the highest quality and most efficient rate possible. This means doing assignments no questions asked and collaborating with coworkers to solve obstacles in the workplace so that Bezos can instead focus on where his next billion will come from, what charity to donate .02% of his income to, and where to take his private yacht next. You know, the things that really matter. The American Dream is only available to immigrants because children in American schools are given the tools to be machines, not entrepreneurs.

[@newjersey179]

@@rhylynddinsmore7298 You think other countries doesn't have that problem

[@jeff_n1535]

But in saying that, I'm currently doing such a course online, quite successfully actually..

[@newjersey179]

@@jeff_n1535 which course?

[@edwinpj7637]

Honestly a lot of teachers/professors still teach us even through virtual class by telling stories, examples of their or other's experience.etc. May God Bless them ❤️.

[@stk7778]

thanks for noticing

[@UnchainedEruption]

"virtual class" the problem speaks for itself. I don't know why when we had the opportunity to finally ditch the terrible education system we've been stuck with over 100 years, instead we just tried to emulate it in ugh...Zoom. E-learning would work so much better if we had some really major, trustworthy websites where the best instructors in every field effectively uploaded their lectures for the world to see. You don't have to saddle through life-crippling student loan debt payments or wasted savings if there's no need for an expensive education in the first place. And students in poorer neighborhoods wouldn't be stuck in their underfunded local public schools. For the price of an internet connection and a cheap laptop they could access the brightest minds and most talented instructors in the world. Why this education system hasn't manifested yet is beyond me. The tech's been ready for years.

[@Peter-mj6lz]

@@UnchainedEruptionMaybe, but we would still need local teachers to teach the students because everyone has different learning styles. Also an expert teacher can’t give the focused help millions of students might need.

[@aadamy]

I had a great chemistry teacher who would open his lectures up with stories and history around what we were going to learn in chemistry! It made me so excited to then learn all of the formulas etc. I was doing something that others before me had to figure out and apply to the real world. I had a math teacher who did the same. These are two subjects we don’t usually think of as an opportunity for that. If you take out time from the lesson to give it historical context (I do this with my music students all the time) you will have the most passionate and interested students. They’ll never forget what they learned !

[@mycaroxas4088]

i agree, i always disliked math didn't even knew the history of it. wanted some background but it was straight to doing that and then as a child, I would just say what for?

[@riledmouse4677]

That’s really cool.

[@dhareshm6189]

That's amazing!

[@mohammedzahboune824]

Hello there! I'm a teacher of English. To get students engaged, a teacher should always tell a story that could be an opening to the lesson. Lol

[@conscientiousartist7719]

@@mohammedzahboune824 That’s virtually true. Teaching using story telling can make students’ learning process more impressive and effective.

[@mishaw6132]

I work an 8-5 shift remotely while obtaining my masters in Data Science online. I actually like having the opportunity to work remotely and learn online. The benefits to me is that I do not have to physically be in a classroom and can move around. If I want to travel to a beautiful city while working and studying I can do so. To me this has been very beneficial and I have saved tons of money (commuting, clothes, food at work) that I was able to reinvest in the stock market.

[@DCC-d9n]

I am totally in agreement with you.

[@TheAuraEngineer]

This is why I love e-learning and why I struggle in school, it offers flexibility for me to be able to take my time and actually think about/ reflect on what I have learned (or observed if in a lecture) and think about applications of the info and try my best to look for errors in the thinking. Basically, yes storytelling is great, but for me flexibility to pace myself so I can make sure I fully understand before moving on completely is most important (FOR ME) :)

[@dhareshm6189]

This man makes sense. We need more stories from which we can then use in our lives rather than have heaps of information dumped on. All the information that one needs is there available on the internet, but for it to work, we see that they need experience. Experience can form from listening to stories and this is can give people a head start in learning.

[@paulgowan2205]

I would qualify that comment in this way: We need the stories of expert practitioners to be recorded in any form we can get, whether print, audio, video or hologram. We need to create systems that deliver relevant stories to people but only just in time when they will benefit from the story to help them do something or take a decision. People at Northwestern University were working on these matters in the mid 1990's so the expertise is out there. We don't need people wasting their time listening to Sages-on-Stages in mandatory classes and lecture halls or Major Higgins relating his war stories of marching up the Zambezi with the lads or whatever.

[@acceleratekid]

not click and quiz, but stories and meaning --- scenario and story based learning best way ...

[@blackfire1471]

This guy Identified the whole problem, god bless him.

[@yehezkielwirabima9304]

School itself is not educating

[@johannagal6926]

it’s like knowledge without wisdom

[@masonfreeman4991]

@@johannagal6926 because it is

[@MouridEnglish]

agree completely.

[@msmith53]

NONsense!

[@savagenovelist2983]

“The only hindrance to my learning was my education.” - Einstein

[@kt-ey7po]

The failure of eLearning does not come for the creators but from the stakeholders; the one's who are paying the bill. As ID people we have not forgotten about our targeted audience's, but have been forced to sweep them under the rug at the cost of the learner. Aaron Barth, you are preaching something that is well know by the Learning and Development group.

[@joshuaallen7734]

online school is stressful

[@sakthisairamr914]

and useless

[@MJ-gj6mj]

The Zoom meetings where everyone is watching everyone is really annoying! Atleast in class people are looking ahead at the teacher not everyone face on the screen. Plus eyes get super dry just staring.

[@trolly._.8656]

And is a joke not a school

[@jameshunt2905]

Attempting to do anything online that is done in the classroom while expecting any progress or results toward development is really nothing more than a setup for failure..... for students And everyone else!

[@Nanami_X_Higurama]

Ikr :*(

[@buffsuki7683]

Im so happy with how my college is doing with the distance learning (personally) there not doing mandatory zoom meetings and they even record them for ppl who couldn’t attend because of whatever reason

[@MarcoBonechi]

That is the opposite of what this guy says should be done.

[@buffsuki7683]

@@MarcoBonechi yep I know, but Im much more effective on learning in my own environment then I would in other places, at the end of it all it’s going to be on how a person learn

[@edgaredgar154]

only if the school system understood

[@maddypashadk3349]

Often the schools and teachers do understand, but those in power who dictate the curriculum do not. That is the unfortunate truth.

[@goutamboppana961]

@@maddypashadk3349 but who dicates the power?

[@maddypashadk3349]

@@goutamboppana961 Politicians typically, in the state and federal government.

[@maddypashadk3349]

@@goutamboppana961 But I do understand the nuance in your question. Essentially, the people choose who gets in these positions, but often there is no one running who has been a teacher or worked closely in the schools. These elected officials view statistics and base the curriculum off of that, but No Child Left Behind has proven that statistics and tests aren't everything. It's a complex problem.

[@goutamboppana961]

@@maddypashadk3349 oh ok

[@cogitoergosum7891]

The reason we don’t do this in eLearning is because it’s three time more difficult and takes four times as long to do. I totally agree with what this man is saying and it is definitely a better way of teaching as well as being more interactive and engaging but the sad reality is that most organisations don’t have the time or money to put into developing eLearning like this. I have been an eLearning developer for the last 8 years and the reality is that most organisations don’t do this because it’s cost heavy, time heavy, and doesn’t necessarily bring any more results. Building a really good, emotionally engaging story takes as much skill as making a movie because that’s kind of what you’re doing. It’s far easier and quicker to just cut and paste content because that’s how the boss who is paying for it has learned at school so that’s what they are comfortable with and that’s what they think everyone else will be confutable with. I totally agree that good stories are much much better at teaching people (although bad or boring stories can be much worse), but it all boils down to money and time. It’s just the world that we live in.

[@cogitoergosum7891]

@Antonio S I totally agree, but how?? How do we convince organizations like banks and profit driven businesses that they should be spending more money and more time on making training that is story based rather than simply information centric? Most of the training courses that I have built are compliance based (Workplace safety, Bullying and harassment, security training etc.) so they are usually a 'tick the box' type that isn't treated as anything very important. As f f mentioned down below the type of eLearning we produce is determined by the stakeholders such as the managers and employers, not by the training designers themselves and the managers bring their own biases into what training should look like. I totally agree that we need to change this reality but I don't know how. We need a TED talk to tells us how to actually change, not just that we need to. Sorry about the rant.

[@tendenciaseducativas]

@@cogitoergosum7891 one of the main problems is quality vs quantity. We can teach people in less time doing microlearning using real-life case studies, we see it every day! We only need to be willing to risk our heads... and do it first for our own, try it, improve it, and present the innovative work to our school.

[@user-zo3wy4we3t]

Good stories get easy if one decides to live a good story in order to teach a good story.

[@capngrace84]

@@antonianikolaj1770 I believe you're trying to make a case against human empathy here.

[@jameshunt2905]

Not acceptable! Just as tech is finding out there markets are so limited by not investing in developing integration and becoming integral to their markets needs.... the overemphasis of disruption and speed is, has and will prove to be highly short-sighted as basis for any organization development......

[@klaw7050]

I'm an e-Learning developer and my approach to it is to tell a story. The problem I find resides with the clients that just want to pour their PowerPoint contents into a e-Learning format and don't care if there's a better way to do it. Things are changing though, some are listening to what we advise.

[@swojnowski453]

People forget because what they get at school every day is a bunch of no experiences. No wonder that those who hardly had any contact with the education system frequently do better than people with PHDs, they have experienced and hence learnt more.

[@yanwinaung8111]

Not just elearning education in general have that problem. That's why teachers still matter. We can't tell stories if we are expected to follow and plan minutes by minutes prescription of content dumping.

[@paulgowan2205]

BS! Don't content dump OR be a Sage-on-the-Stage telling stories. Be a trained mentor and facilitator whose 'war' stories have been recorded and are in a very well indexed multimedia database that calls up the best relevant stories just-in-time to help someone do something or make a decision.Teachers do matter but an effort must be made by teachers to get out of the obsolete system and methodologies. When the wind blows some make walls and others make windmills.

[@rinapurnamaningwulan9320]

What about nowadays where e-learning is the only choice we have amidst the Covid-19 pandemic? What would Dr. Barth suggest for teachers?

[@sakthisairamr914]

There's a ton of sources like w3schools, Wikipedia where students can actually learn stuffs instead of memorizing so why online class

[@sakthisairamr914]

@StopOilmen Ripoffs I don't know much about your country, but in my country most of the politicians gets money from gov schools, hospitals etc. But how?. Well if a toffee is 1 cent these politicians buy that for 1 dollar (gov money) take the extra stuff.(it really happened in Kerala). So they just kinda need this stuffs

[@graceaswath5681]

The teachers has to be more resourceful then and institution must provide them proper training and workshop to handle this class. Because irregardless of whether its pandemic or not, we are paying the same amount of fees to the school.

[@sitharthanpanneerselvam6911]

Create animation videos with story telling method.

[@xonanimations8075]

For students it's kinda unfortunate since the US didn't even need to close everything down

[@Urmilpatel17]

Its simple. Government cuts education -> corruption by ministers and administrators in education department -> decline in salary and secured job of teachers -> recruitment process is affected -> more efficient teachers opt out due to less salary -> these teachers work for themselves or e-learning industry hires them -> e-learning industry rises -> people choose e-learning over schools We are in middle of time to analyse the results of e-learning industry. I am working on both modes, but I feel that human interaction has its own charm.

[@elonmusk42]

You should be on top of comment dude

[@Urmilpatel17]

@@elonmusk42 thanks

[@chrisa3961]

I also think the teachers need to re-learn teaching because content is so easily available these days. I think we need more sth like a mentor who guides as through... and helps us developing a sense for solving problems, and less useless exams

[@quazibaked]

Enough with the click bait titles.

[@Mike-de4cg]

I wish school was back in the damn school already because I’m sick of it

[@Zul1788]

eLearning is great if you want a online certification. Any serious degree program exp is cheapened on eLearning. It's not the same as in person live exp with an experienced professor who can tell you real stories that connect with the course material. I can speak from personal experience having taken Uni course in class and in eLearning. e-Learning also takes up far more time and energy as you spend more time figuring out what needs to be done Vs doing the actual work. I made As in my eLearning classes but I dont feel I learned much as I can't recall most of the stuff anymore while my in-person classes from years ago, I still remember the stories my Prof taught. I totally Agree with Aron Barth !

[@paulgowan2205]

That's a good story! The big question though is how much do you remember of the Prof's actual lectures? Then the question is whether or not the e-learning was delivered as a Mentored Experiential Course with access to a well-indexed video database of expert practitioners with years of experience telling stories you need to hear or was the e-learning an old-school version of what e-learning should be, like the president of one University who talked about making lecture materials available to flipped classrooom students.

[@laurajane4806]

I homeschool and we use e-learning and paper. Stories are fun, but if you don't have time, the most important part of the stories are the analogies. Eduation went down way before e-learning. The biggest downfall was the imposition of Common Core. I went to elementary school in the 60's. Nowadays, spelling books (or online) don't teach spelling rules and math books (or online) don't drill basic arithmetic. We learned by rote and I can still add, muliply and divide without a calculator. And, as you can see, my grammar is still pretty good, too. 🙂

[@mannaporanna2678]

I went to school in 1990s in Eastern Europe. We still learn spelling or grammar rules when we study foreign languages, but then when we interact with English native speakers, most of them don't know rules and the explanation they usually give is "because it sounds better". I mean... what kind of argument is that?

[@defeatingdiabetes9236]

I love stories. They are an important part of introducing and emotionally driving home a point. But, they do not always provided the depth of information needed for some (many) topics. As with most things, a balance is usually best.

[@guanqunzhang4494]

Thank you very much for sharing your opinions. It is a great lecture.

[@hexcallibur]

absolutely, I agree but problem solved long time ago: - e-learning + story telling + classroom touch = BLENDED LEARNING

[@prosperojones8488]

Aaron Barth is right. One trick I learned, in decades of teaching, my best trick of all, is to capture a bored classroom's attention by saying: "You know what happened to me once..." and proceeding to tell a tale.

[@paulgowan2205]

The first problem is that you allowed people that have no interest in what is being taught to enroll in the class. Did they have a choice? The second problem is that you have a group of people with a common interest in a traditional classroom passively waiting for the Sage-on-the-Stage to drop pearls of wisdom for them to remember and put in their backpack with the quadratic equation. Give them something to do! If they don't know how to do it, act as a trained mentor and help them. Be a good coach! Don't tell the story until it's relevant.

[@pankajbajaj9578]

Online education gives power knowledge and money without the hassles of interveiw the companies future insights.

[@Urmilpatel17]

The real rise in E-learning industry is based on two things. 1) most governments are cutting fundings for education which results in rise in number of adhoc(kind of temporary) teaching positions while the administrative positions are permanent. For example, compare the pay gap between an administrator and a teacher at a college/school. Hence the process of recruitment is affected and sometimes quality of teachers is compromised. 2) in the present times, people believe in competition and they put their children into this process of becoming successful. They want quick results and expect best from their own child and their teachers. On failing they turn around and seek help from e-learning websites. Overall, I believe that every trend has its own time duration to succed and sustain(bubble theory). And it will take time to perform research and draw any conclusions.

[@Srindal4657]

Stories are useful, but only useful in engaging the student with the content. Like gaming, you learn the controls and strategies but it's the story that gets you to keep going, because you want to learn what will happen next. The real point I'm making is that some people keep stories in themselves, and can engage with the content on their own. Not everyone is as unmotivated or uncreative as most students, which usually happens 'because' of education. Let learning evolve.

[@aerozg]

Gaming, beautiful analogy!

[@toasty7408]

Well not all e-learning is the same it’s very dependent on other things like teachers and subject.

[@paulgowan2205]

and like Mentors, Coaches, goal-based scenarios, story-centered curricula, online peer conversation, teamwork, the accessibility of recorded expert practitioners and MORE!

[@BillyBob-qw3ng]

I like physical school instead of online school because when I have problems no friend to talk too

[@arnavchaudhary4535]

Please someone give a speech in which the title says ' If a child bound to do mistakes while learning something new then why do teachers criticize students for their mistakes .'

[@matthewvanmatre5137]

Hmmm, maybe that’s a cultural experience, but I encourage my students to make mistakes, or what l call, ‘taking a risk ‘. It’s only then can I offer the feedback on how to improve. Then, the real learning takes place. I’m so nerdy, at the beginning of the year, l make them stand up, hold up their favorite hand, or both, and promise to: make mistakes, reflect on the feedback, improve on their previous task, and turn it in again. Then, for those that improve, the work goes up on the ‘Wall of Fame’ (not grade-based but improved performance). And, that’s how to build a culture/ethos of improving-risk-takers or learners. Use the extrinsic to build the intrinsic!

[@stephenmetzler729]

Depends on what the mistake is. If you are critisizing a student who wasn't paying in class for not paying attention in class, which will happen in every class no matter how good your lessson is, what other road would you give. Don't criticize him? I can say from experience if I don't adress the problem with some sort of consequence to people not paying attention in class in middle school or high school, I will lose control of the class quickly. Then no one is learning. Most teachers criticise because they said something and the student wasn't listening, not because the student made a mistake while listening, which is actually the teachers mistake for not teaching the concept so a normal person can understand. When the teacher is yelling at you, no matter what country you are in, it's almost always the first one. You weren't paying attention in class.

[@paulgowan2205]

@@matthewvanmatre5137 They promise to make mistakes? Can I get a word change in there? How about promising not to be afraid of making a mistake or promising not to hide a mistake?

[@matthewvanmatre5137]

@@paulgowan2205 the idea is that they’re willing to take a risk, what often happens as a result or mistakes, but sometimes, there are breakthroughs.

[@OlaStewart-fn3im]

Legit question and title!❤

[@eLearningBizTec]

very good points, and spot-on -- trouble with mainstream "e-learning" today is that it's often done on the cheap, instead of USING the extra tools that are avilable in that format; as in figuring out how to put the "Cone of Learning" study results (Kolbe) into it. We forget the lesson content (all "frontal" lesson content) after 20 mins because we just watched a "lesson" passively and did not practice the real thing as part of that low-quality "e-learning". E g a story-based "main video" should be accompanied by "doing the real thing" as an exercise integrated in the course (and incentivized by adding a PDF form to be completed, or similar). That way, we can add what e-learning technology can offer , if done properly...

[@alexghive3310]

Even he didn t present this lecture as a story, thus refuting his own thesis. Human beings are smart enough to understand an idea without the fluff

[@dobrzejest6137]

But it isn't what you HAVE to to - to see him. And this stands in opposition to the teaching (e-learning) where you have notes and HAVE to to this.

[@davidlineberry622]

My son has always been a straight A student and is struggling and im feeling a bit hopeless

[@dailycomplaintsanimationst837]

Same Sorry about your son

[@sarahvaughan919]

@@dailycomplaintsanimationst837 Sorry about both your sons. Don't give up hope. It's about adapting to new formats. Find what works for them in terms of personalised learning and give them content which they can find interesting and engaging.

[@NdCharlesNweke]

@@sarahvaughan919 The problem is, like my cousins, they get too relaxed and playful at this online thing. The vibe is just not there.

[@perpetuaL524]

why is the question, you should audit his education and see what he is actually doing. Various studies show that online learning is just as, if not MORE effective than in person. After all the same information is being relayed. The thing that changes is that the student must be able to not be distracted and pay attention.

[@whowantstotalkaboutmurders4177]

This online class is definitely not for me. I'm not a morning person but I'd rather wake up really early to go to school than to deal with this monotonous remote "learning" where all I do stare at my laptop for 6 hours, going through consecutive meeting with little to no breaks.

[@Lockole]

E learning sucks in comparision to in-class studying. There's no real engagement in online learning, just reciting a lecture to a quiet audience.

[@blackfire1471]

The whole problem about elearning is that it's virtual and it lacks interaction with people, which we all are used to, for summarizing.

[@DefconOkay]

It doesn't have to lack interaction, it could even facilitate one on one interaction with teachers, as apposed to many people just getting lost in the crowd.

[@blackfire1471]

@@DefconOkay well crowded is not too good either. You can't focus with traffic.

[@paulgowan2205]

@@DefconOkay OutSchool has that going for them with their one-to-one and small number online video-call classes. There is nothing stopping interaction with mentors, coaches, tutors and peers. A well-designed online course should have lots of people interaction and even more in-person interaction in teams when the pandemic is over. As for being virtual, teaching grade 12 students the quadratic equation is a giant virtual reality because most students are never going to solve a quadratic equation again. A broomstick joystick is just as virtual as Boeing Flight Simulator but do you really want to put a book-learned pilot in the cockpit of a real jetliner with 300 people onboard? Well, apparently it's been done by an uncertified fraudster. Kind of scary!

[@kirankhanda6300]

🇮🇳The earlier education of GURUKUL.....(Indian old schools) was really the best one which were teaching us the real learning, education, morals. According to me that was the best place of learning. Gurukul is a type of school where saints or monks teach to their sishyas or students under a tree in forests. In INDIA this was earlier type of schools. And I think that was the best cause in that time students were reading not to pass the exam or for getting grades or letters instead that they were reading to learn. Really at that time there was a great and huge relationship between a teacher and a students. That was the real school and teacher. In today's world we R just reading or learning to get jobs or money not to get the real value of education. This GURUKULS are the India's memories which I'm missing a lot.🇮🇳

[@capngrace84]

So this is an excellent argument for increasing empathy and engagement through the use of personal narrative.

[@jameshunt2905]

Accurate statement though entirely devoid of any association what so ever..... human. You heading for A.I. Development?

[@capngrace84]

@@jameshunt2905 nah, just conducting a sociology experience

[@GeekRex]

Do tell me how that works with technical topics like web development and programming? Somethings don't translate to your model.

[@michaelhosack6718]

I was thinking the same thing. Real-world examples are useful but in those fields most of the examples are emotionally dry unless the application really interests the student or the student has an affinity for solving logic puzzles.

[@jamjam0409]

It doesn't work with story telling but that is practical enough. I had a teacher who in class was showing us how to do it, she was doing all the work explaining how you do it and then we had to do it again applying what she did from 0. And it really worked for me. She was explaining it logically.

[@Robbie601]

The technology is problematic because the internet is still quite new and it involves so many moving parts. They are rushing into online learning too quickly. And the UI and security measures are a hindrance to learning. Because they take up too much time and energy that aren't relevant to the learning.

[@CoolDaddyJames]

I got a 0 on 2 tests because the online learning website didn’t work for me for 2 days.

[@nisheshthapa1]

😂😂

[@m.aformation5313]

Elearning is not the enemy. BAD Elearning is !

[@tombrunila2695]

The lecture is only a small part of learning! E-learning in any form is also only a small part of learning! The REAL learning happens in the head of the student/pupil only when the student/pupil WANTS to learn and works to learn. This happens outside of the classroom at home where the student/pupil reads the coursebooks and looks up information not found in the coursebooks and makes note in writing by hand! Writing by longhand has been proven by brain research to be more effective for the retention of what has been written than writing by tapping at the keys of a computer. And thinks about what he/she has read! The lecture is only a support and an opportunity to discuss the topic with the lecturer and ask clarifying questions about something found in the books. There is no way to move knowledge into the head of people without the people doing a lot of work themselves. Learning is hard and always been! Computers and e-learning has not made it easier because learning takes places in the brain! Just like it always has!

[@jameshunt2905]

Just wait til you add the understanding of Neuro.... kinetics, somatics etc....... learning grows exponentially then as does awareness potential.....

[@tombrunila2695]

@@jameshunt2905 that "understanding" does not in any way whatsoever change how the mind works! Learning new things will never be easy! The more complex things you are trying to learn the harder it is!

[@jameshunt2905]

@@tombrunila2695 now you’re into the logistics, challenges and scope of understanding on how learning works...... that too has changed for the masses where learning and its understanding relative to the mind has found better development and integrations. The unfortunate division that has become apparent is along the lines of educations institutions and how the “dinosaur” that its become supports exactly or solely the institutions..... which is another matter entirely.

[@jameshunt2905]

@@tombrunila2695 I’m so sorry that you find the need to oppose or conflict with others insight and opinion..... even as there is no need!

[@tombrunila2695]

@@jameshunt2905, how human consciousness works and thus learning works is still one of the Great Mysteries! And even when understanding how learning works is improved it does not mean that it will become any easier.

[@dwightfallin3641]

Great presentation. I agree. Interweaving the human element through story telling will resonate with the learners.

[@aaeducation8968]

Thank you..

[@McViewer]

Not to be overlooked: The bank needs a simple job aid with images of valid ID forms right at the teller station.

[@closetcleaner]

A good story can be told in different mediums. It's fair to quiz after a good story.

[@John-3692]

This is truly extraordinary. I read a book with a similar theme, and it was truly phenomenal. "The Art of Meaningful Relationships in the 21st Century" by Leo Flint

[@notkendy]

online learning isnt just killing education. its killing us students too...

[@joybeans10]

Some good points. Hence, I really have not finished an online course ever unless it is highly experiential.

[@AdrianMark]

I've finished three online courses from two ivy league schools through Coursera this year. I am so grateful for the opportunity, because there's no way I'd be able to get in, even if I could afford it, because I live in a third world country. Education is the only way for us here, and there is never enough money to pay for the ridiculous university prices.

[@joybeans10]

@@AdrianMark that's wonderful. Congratulations!

[@AdrianMark]

@@joybeans10 thank you!

[@joybeans10]

@@AdrianMark a pleasure

[@sairanikhatimam]

@@AdrianMark That's great, you inspire us.

[@BreetaiZentradi]

I have seen roll play scenarios in computer based training. Some of it is truly cringeworthy. In interactions with fraud, body language can play a large part. A bit of proper exaggeration may be good in initial training. However as you advance and need to spot more subtle body language, you need much better actors to model that. It really is a combination of how well the material is done and how much the student desires to know it. Trust me, I work in tech. I have sat through 30 minute youtube tutorials to find 5 seconds of content that I needed to see to show a missing detail in some complex process. Even if the video is as boring as sin. You have to watch it like a hawk on the off chance you can pick op a detail or two that will help you with your problem. That is very targeted learning. There is a big difference between someone like me, who may have a server keep going offline for no apparent reason and I have to resolve the problem and the average Joe watching a mandatory safety video. No matter how bad the video is, I have look for anything that might help me do my job. I am invested in self improvement. The average Joe who is being paid to take off half an afternoon from work to watch a well done video and then take a multiple choice quiz and can take it multiple times till they get it right. Well they are not nearly as focused. I know I am not when watching those training videos. They are a distraction, not part of the main domain of the work I do. Results are going to vary. Even a poor video and be a big help, and a well done video can be practically worthless.

[@roshanjaguja2783]

Beautifully ❣️ Conveys the message Through Story

[@senticlaus5394]

When i was at a normal school, I get good grades now look at this. I get 0 on some works even though I did the work.

[@goutamboppana961]

in my school they conducted an online oral test and in half the subjects i got lower marks but i must get higher cuz i told almost everything correctly but they gave me lower marks cuz of saying uh and background noises its just annoying

[@peterho7053]

A person learns how to drive a car not thru stories, but thru constant repetition. A physician learns their profession not thru stories, but thru hard and multi-year studies and then work. Stories make education fun and entertaining, but when you have dozens if not hundreds of stories squeezed in several weeks of your learning program - you hardly remember much a month after this story-based education.

[@MouridEnglish]

Well said

[@paulgowan2205]

Story-based needs to be clarified. To Roger Schank and Ning Wang it means, "We are under cyber attack! Stop it!" That's the story that this cyber attack scenario is based on. Have you ever had that same problem?

[@galgatot4057]

there is no paperwork anymore ..., can we tell stories online?

[@nativecompanion1562]

We don't talk at students and then give them textbooks. We give them textbooks that they should read before the lecture.

[@wongplin8189]

I agree that scenario or story-based learning can teach people better.

[@paulgowan2205]

I'm not sure he's talking about scenario or story-centered curricula. It sounds like a conflation similar to how teachers get confused when I talk about modeling instruction as defined by the American Modeling Teachers Association or a teacher calls homework "interactive experiential learning".

[@vixymix101]

The real issue with it is that not everyone could do it, some ppl couldn't afford a laptop, some had trouble at home or didn't know what to do.

[@Eyesayah]

I've seen and heard a lot of stories in this last year. Who is telling the story has a lot to do with what gets emphasized and what gets left out. Telling stories at one time was a nice way to call out a liar.

[@PeteS_1994]

I imagine online learning to have too much text, videos and not enough interaction. I haven't done much online learning but usually find udemy courses somewhat boring because of this.

[@matthewvanmatre5137]

Pete S. How do you judge something based on little to no experience. eLearning has as much interaction as the designer and the customer deem appropriate for what needs to be learned.Udemy is online learning not eLearning, which is often scenario based which makes me think the speaker did little homework.

[@Digmapratama]

@@matthewvanmatre5137 whats different about Online Learning and E Learning? Thx

[@perpetuaL524]

This is a great point, we need more INTERACTIVE experiences, like video games do.

[@paulgowan2205]

@@perpetuaL524 Well!... sort of. Analog simulations don't always require computer use but can help designers and evaluators keep track of things. The word 'interactive' has been bandied about far too much, but if one is referring to learning by doing, I would agree. A course designer needs to be judicious regarding use of virtual reality, digital simulation, analog simulation, etc. but things like Twilio Quest and Code Combat are moving in the right direction away from Sage-on-the-Stage and desks-in-rows. If you want someone to learn how to use your software you supply an interactive automated tutorial that walks them through using the software, you don't tell them to have an interactive experience by interacting with an author, perhaps, long dead.

[@Jitendrakotai]

Stories are the best way to teach anything.

[@dacimuci]

I am going to show this to my teacher

[@rauldempaire5330]

Very well explained!...

[@wida123]

e-learning complements education. not killing education! because some people cannot access traditional education.

[@EmotionsExpert]

E-learning is the future of education and needs to be. It’s the only way to achieve productivity gains so teachers can make reasonable salaries. Of course this implies that the subject matter is appropriate (math and science work well...) and that the instruction is well designed (different learning types and cultures are handled...). And once the bulk of academic courses are converted we can (finally!) begin to focus on the all important soft skills in the classroom.

[@paulgowan2205]

I disagree with that. A textbook on a billboard in Second Life is not e-learning and getting at what the best use of computers and the internet is that constitutes e-learning needs to be vigorously challenged. A computer can be very helpful in organizing a disaster simulation but that simulation might be much more effective as an analog simulation than an online virtual reality simulation. A paramedic instructor I know told me his simulations were so realistic that students changed their minds about being paramedics as a result after throwing up when they saw what Hollywood connections could do for the realism of a disaster simulation.

[@DavidStraub521]

@@paulgowan2205 sorry for the ridiculously slow response. Not sure why you reference Second Life in particular and also disaster simulations as well. Seems like a logical fallacy argument against using CBT. Nonetheless, your paramedic example represents the opposite of what you support. Meaning, the students were likely not good candidates in the first place, and the simulation helped them determine that before starting the job. I say bravo. In actuality, this is something we should be doing for the armed forces. Imagine being able to predict who will likely return with PTSD (something we can already do, truth be told) and either disqualifying them from joining or getting them education and preparation so they're not mentally marred for life.

[@shresthaditya2950]

We learned through story telling Learning is about people!

[@munna_bhai_bsms]

yes , this man is completely right. Online learning seemed to b a good thing before lockdown but now everyone knows how ineffecient and boring it is .

[@theobolt250]

This is so heartening. Finally, back to being human(s).

[@niels8195]

Super interesting, but please link to the mentioned studies. I'd love to read about it

[@OficWidy]

School is a test of memorizing not a test of knowledge

[@sosukearnold6123]

That is a toxic way of looking at it

[@Adi-kr5nd]

Don't you gain knowledge from a form of memorizing?

[@OficWidy]

@@Adi-kr5nd yes but in school they are force feeding the knowledge and puking it on a piece of paper instead of letting the students choose what they want to learn sure there are downsides to that but it would still be beter in every which way. Think of it like this nothing changes in what they teah you in elementay what changes is what you learn in highschool since you have learned the basics what you need to deside is which one of those will be your major whoch that subject you will spend most of the day on and other subjects which will be minor subjects will still teach you but not like it the major they will teach it simple and quick no work needs to be done only short quizzes and activities and then the exam for major subjects and yes is said (SUBJECTS) since you can choose more than one major and that's where the system we have right now comes into play but it's less work and since you enjoy this subject (because it's your major) THAT MEANS you aren't force fed to learn because you enjoy it.

[@sosukearnold6123]

The major problem is(in my opinion maybe wrong) is that ppl actually don't actually open themselves up to various subjects they just have some subject that they find interesting and they think that is actually the sub they actually would like to work on leaving the others. In the higher level like during college it would actually make sense. Cause the amout of stuff you learn in school is barely anything. School is just made to give the students a foundation. Cause with a sound foundation allows you to build anything. Sure you could have the argument that arts students wouldn't actually need lots of math. Sure that would be the case where ppl stick to a purticular job their whole lives. That is rarely the case. So knowing more actually gives you a flexibility.

[@sosukearnold6123]

Then main thing is not many ppl actually make up their minds abt what they actually want to do by the tym colleg even ends let aloe school. And there is a high chance that the subject u like now may not be the subject you will like in a few years.

[@HannemannTraining]

Thank you very much for this wonderful and touching lecture! I can promise that I will tell this story from the bank many more times in Train the Trainer seminars when it comes to the appropriate form of teaching. It encourages me a lot in the path I have taken as a trainer-instructor. Dirk Hannemann, communications trainer, Berlin (Germany)

[@learnwithshobhamehta7816]

When there is no ALTERNATIVE,we have to try and get maximum advantage from them 👍👍👍👍👍,before OFFLINE CLASSES can be STARTED 👍👍👍👍👍

[@paulgowan2205]

There are numerous alternatives but nobody goes to the moon the next day after the intention to go there is stated. Educational systems have chosen to ignore valid alternatives and will be bypassed by schools like Ad Astra and Synthesis.

[@JennieGem7]

2:07 2:36- 3:02

[@LeFleur80]

This hits different during covid times

[@joethi4981]

The research on this topic is pretty universal. The best way people learn is through diadatic pedagogy. That is it.

[@perpetuaL524]

that literally means nothing, those are broad terms that are different things.

[@bilikdotid]

Very Impressive. I think, if online learning on going as representation of post-humanism there education will end.

[@RezaRob3]

A very good point here. I'm just not sure if it's everything that we need. Or is it?!

[@grandbaycentral5741]

E-Learning is the future. Make sure you learn the technology skill and teach online.

[@UnchainedEruption]

Recognize the irony of this coming out in 3/2020, just before schools everywhere went remote.

[@adiprehanto181]

Many thanks for sharing. Is doing something fast as the key of learning?

[@myreadingmapped]

How can individualized online education tell a story the way Barth explains about plate tectonics when no one was alive back then? It can't. However, online education can tell a story via a map of the TOPOGRAPHY of plate tectonics. Note the word topography, have you ever considered topography in relation to plate tectonics before? Have you ever been able to see it? Online education can show a map of the GEOGRAPHY of the Koppen Climate Classification System. It can show the TOPOGRAPHY of the ocean sea floor in relation to hydrothermal vents and cold seeps or giant wave zones. It can show a map that explains the rise, fall and MIGRATION of civilization due to climate change. It can provide a map that compares the EFFECTIVENESS of gun control vs. the lack of gun control. All these maps tell a story in different way than Barth explains. So do a search for any of these maps and see for yourself how a map can teach us to learn to learn.

[@Sunpeaches78]

As a high school shop teacher - I agree 100% with Aaron! Also, if we were to imagine a world where all learning was done online, we wouldn't need schools anymore and the most valuable thing schools have is LAND!!!! SO much LAND!! So much money for governments to make!

[@annisamursyidah8779]

I think the title was not properly explaining the talks. Aaron talkes about the content or method for teaching, not the tools (e-learning itself).

[@fonsi198]

You can also tell stories with digital technology, ever heard of movies?

[@MarcoBonechi]

Do you know how expensive it is to make a movie?

[@fonsi198]

@@MarcoBonechi as a lecturer you can record a presentation video easily and cheap these days

[@Idowu_Balogun]

Some Teachers and lecturers don't do entry behaviour, don't relate the purpose of what is being taught to how relevant it is and or its implementation...

[@vennisle801]

In fact, if the teachers are giving full commitment, the student are enthusiast to learn, and the management system of the school is excellent, the school can be the place where we can develop our skills and abilities. Not e-learning 🤔

[@paulgowan2205]

Sounds like Michelle Rhee. I disagree because of what Sugata Mitra learned from the Hole in the Wall experiment and Roger Schank learned as a father trying to teach A.I. systems how to learn. When e-learning is done properly and teachers are trained mentors helping students achieve their goals like at KidZania or a Socratic Arts Professional Prep Academy, modern skills and abilities will result.

[@paulgowan2205]

Meh! I'm going to KidZania. The learning is not mandatory and I get paid for what I do.

[@thelearninglabLMS]

Very interesting and engaging content! Thank you.

[@sarahvaughan919]

I agree with the reference to elearning being able to educate people to sustain the planet and avoid climate change. I'm a Digital Learning Manager and I'm about to design a MOOC on this very topic. A Massively Open Online Course specifically address some of the issues around planetary and environmental consciousness. This is a good talk although I don't agree obviously. I've seen plenty of online/digital learning which is really engaging, innovative and including lots of great interactive media.

[@paulgowan2205]

For the planet's sake, don't design a MOOC with "interactive media" unless you use goal-based scenarios and Mentored Experiential "learning by doing". What Medard Gabel is doing with the Global Solutions Lab is along the correct lines.

[@susanmcdonald9088]

Filling buckets with facts, not storytelling with imagination, metaphor, emotion, lighting fires, drama, conflict, paradox, analogy, catharsis, etcetcetc... that's the problem!

[@beravera5176]

Everyone keeps saying this is title is misleading and I agree but what I think they mean is teaching without storytelling is just like e-learning no interactions between student and the educator

[@FreshO2]

Our teacher used this Ted Talk for our activity during *online class* Uhuh yes... Ummm... I- Yes ehm yes... Uhhh...

[@CuriouslyCute]

Stories make me like learning.