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[@bashbunni]

I have all my keybinds mapped to different combinations of arrow keys in nvim btw

[@teej_dv]

arrow keys are a way of life

[@wolverine9632]

I actually installed a plugin that shows a dungeon crawl with cardinal labels in the lower right corner, as a visual aid for the longer sequences of arrow keystrokes.

[@ThePrimeagen]

I have currently killed 37 Emacs users. This is why I am a general in the Vim Army

[@thengakola6217]

bruh....🤣

[@teej_dv]

And the war rages on. Can't we just all agree Atom is the superior editor?

[@onlydevs3118]

@@teej_dv I'll be scheduling a quick meeting for later today

[@shadowking6008]

Well that got dark

[@fabioramatis2373]

I have killed 40 vim users with my org mode today, I'm a master samurai in the emacs church

[@ArtixBTW]

This article hurts my brain I started using Neovim when I was 13... I’m 13. Guess I’m now from a *certain generation*

[@ritchielrez1680]

i started using when i was 10-11, oh i'm old now ?!

[@goawqebt6931]

@@ritchielrez1680 #trustmebro

[@diegorocha2186]

After this article, I compiled neovim and uninstalled vscode completely! I'm not ready to this new generation!

[@teej_dv]

Ah... You're from "a certain generation" I see.

[@koolsatan]

The "Gish gallop" is a term for an eristic technique in which a debater attempts to overwhelm an opponent by excessive number of arguments, without regard for the accuracy or strength of those arguments. This article fits right into that category!

[@teej_dv]

Or even if the arguments argue the same point ;)

[@evakuator8118]

"Vim is dead", - Friedrich Nietzsche

[@teej_dv]

And that man was Albert Einstein.

[@clearlyajit]

And the article has used the word "Emacs" but hasn't quoted an Emacs user anywhere nor has told anything about it. There is no section about Emacs which is odd too.

[@teej_dv]

HA! I didn't even think of this (of course because I don't think of Emacs often hehe). But this is such a good point.

[@twb0109]

People are used to think (N)Vim and Emacs are the same

[@yes-vy6bn]

they don't exist. its deep state controlled opposition.

[@chocotaco8396]

That apology was so intense it pierced through my soul.

[@teej_dv]

I'm so glad that you could tell it was truly heartfelt and that I am just absolutely devastated that this happened. Please forgive me.

[@avidrucker]

@@teej_dv 😂😭😂❤️

[@gbrlsnchs]

Vim vs. Emacs? That war is irrelevant. The true war is Tim Pope vs. Neovim.

[@applesud6978]

I periodically stumble upon this article when I'm doing vim related searches, and every time I see it I just can't stop laughing/cringing for a good 30 minutes or so afterwards. It's just so unbelieveably bad. Thanks for turning it into a video, it makes for very entertaining content.

[@avidrucker]

+1

[@DestinyAwaitsChannel]

Gell-Man Amnesia Effect In a speech in 2002, Crichton coined the term Gell-Mann amnesia effect, after physicist Murray Gell-Mann. He used this term to describe the phenomenon of experts believing news articles on topics outside of their fields of expertise, even after acknowledging that articles written in the same publication that are within the experts' fields of expertise are error-ridden and full of misunderstanding: Media carries with it a credibility that is totally undeserved. You have all experienced this. … Briefly stated, the Gell-Mann Amnesia effect is as follows. You open the newspaper to an article on some subject you know well. … You read the article and see the journalist has absolutely no understanding of either the facts or the issues. … You read with exasperation or amusement the multiple errors in a story, and then turn the page to national or international affairs, and read as if the rest of the newspaper was somehow more accurate about Palestine than the baloney you just read. You turn the page, and forget what you know. … In ordinary life, if somebody consistently exaggerates or lies to you, you soon discount everything they say. … But when it comes to the media, we believe against evidence that it is probably worth our time to read other parts of the paper. … The only possible explanation for our behavior is amnesia. wikiless.org/wiki/Michael_Crichton

[@houstonbova3136]

Thanks to you and ThePrimeagen I’ve been switching to Nvim. It’s been so much more powerful and beneficial to my workflow. I’m not fully configured but I can automatically query to specific databases using dadbod for sql. Python and Rust is an absolute pleasure and the overall zen of the environment is just better. I don’t find that I miss any of my vs code features. In fact I get more annoyed going back now because things just don’t move the way I tell them to. Keep up the good work!

[@piotrkira]

Oh, I didn't know that as a 20 yrs old I belong to the certain generation.

[@Amaraticando]

The authors' problem with (n)vim is that they don't grok vi.

[@teej_dv]

Are you sure? They think vim is all about arrow keys, so seems like they know a lot about it 😂

[@georgeokello8620]

I started using vim at 2019 and I am 30 yrs old and I have converted from vscode and atom to vim and nvim. So probably the post qualifies me as some form of a tech boomer.

[@teej_dv]

LUL tech boomer indeed!

[@joakker8820]

Yeah I also started in 2019 when I was 20. I instantly felt my hair go white and my skin started wrinkling D:

[@sorachii8932]

I started on VisualStudio(f for c#) then later switched to sublime then to vscode then to vim and now I've been running nvim in the last couple of years. I love the community and the project.

[@flywithoutwingss]

35 years old here , doing the switch to vim .

[@vaylx2253]

@@flywithoutwingss Same here. About to walk into my first internship with more vim knowledge than coding knowledge. Oh well… such is life ;)

[@christophhani5626]

I can totally relate to this article. Atom is helping me so much when I write code. I'm really amazed what this modern (think magic) IDE offers for us uncertain programmers! Sometimes it can be too much and I'm even a bit overwhelmed. Then I switch back to a simple text editor like notepad or ed...

[@axel_so]

maybe their next article is to say that shells (bash, zsh, etc.) are also "antiquated" and that they are used by "forced" users from a "certain generation" 🤣🤣🤣

[@Titere05]

While there are great new things out there like Powershell 🤣🤣

[@RolfStrijdhorst]

Actually in early 2000s each project I joined I was always reprimanded when I didn't use the by them preferred IDEs

[@teej_dv]

Oh interesting! Where was that?

[@RolfStrijdhorst]

@@teej_dv it was in the Netherlands and working for the bigger organizations. And the process to getting us using our preferred ide/editor was a slow one at first we were allowed to use eclipse instead of wsad, then later we were allowed to use NetBeans only after intellij came on the horizon people got more freedom to look for other tools. This also correlated with builds no longer directly tied to the ide but to the project. Also this was bound to projects build with Java. Python and ruby were were handled differently since there were hardly no ides for those languages

[@onlydevs3118]

OnlyDevs being OnlyDevs Facts & Logic

[@DamienSawyer]

Great review. I've worked with people like that over the years. They're working, and therefore "professional", but rarely extend themselves or try anything new. Twenty years experience, unfortunately it was the same year twenty times. They often defend their lack of growth with an arrogance rooted in little more than their years on the job.

[@teej_dv]

Glad you enjoyed it!

[@willhleucka821]

I feel very special being the _certain generation_

[@teej_dv]

I'm going to always say "a certain generation" in a special tone... and no one IRL will get it hahaha

[@ceplma]

"who were forced to thrive” … that’s the just the pearl of the English literature.

[@arufuponics8415]

"the sarcasm is strong with this one.."

[@ryankhart]

17:25 I'm a JetBrains IDE appreciator while I dabble with my Neovim and Doom Emacs configs to my liking, but one of the things I like about JetBrains IDEs is that it can do most of what I want to configure my Neovim or Emacs setup to do (actually scratch Emacs off that. Emacs can do far more than any other software because it's an operating system that happens to include an editor.) JetBrains IDEs just have a vast preferences window that is entirely searchable, and it's smart / hungry backspace key functionality is unmatched by any other editor/IDE available from what I've found.

[@thallium54]

TJ is becoming the next primeagon

[@teej_dv]

He is our science & tech father. I hope to be like him someday.

[@Tekay37]

15:40 I actually had such a boss for 6 months before I quit that job to find a different one.

[@ryankhart]

This whole article reminds me of a time when I had a quarter-long research paper to write in college for a class, and during the course of me writing this paper, I changed my mind about my thesis, but I had to follow through with it and make arguments I didn't agree with because there wasn't enough time to start over. This article contains hints that the author was conflicted with his own premise.

[@EuphoricRaccoon]

Yeah, I agree, we're stuck in time using ancient technologies. Btw...... WHERE'S 0.5 !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!?????????????????????

[@teej_dv]

we're literally not allowed to release it now that we've reached antiquated status

[@EuphoricRaccoon]

@@teej_dv Damm :(, I'll go back to doing my punch cards for this new app I'm developing. Please send me a fax when it's out!

[@seabasz1146]

I personally use VSCode, but it's sheerly preference I've used Neovim and it's very powerful, but as you said I don't have the time to put in to really get the use out of neovim the way I can with VSCode

[@marcelfahle]

hahah that beginner contradiction 😃 @20:00

[@teej_dv]

How realistic is my rewind sound? :)

[@chocotaco8396]

You made a sound?!

[@rakandhiyaaa92]

just started using neovim around 3 weeks ago, and this article pops up when I searched stuff about nvim, my thoughts from the title was that the writer wanted to disregard vim and emacs users, but the whole article was about praising nvim and emacs 🤣🤣

[@tralphstreet]

This reads like one of my rants that I write as the thoughts go through my head and after I'm done I instantly publish the comment and I'm done, without re-reading any of it, and being fully aware that it would be a miracle if it made any sense. It's not conceivable that this guy (these, actually) re-read anything of what they wrote. The amount of contradictions and the clear proof of knowing jack shit about what they're talking about can't get past any kind of review and be given approval. Well, at least we got some good laughs out of it. Glad to be part of that *certain generation* (that seems to span all of them).

[@marcelfahle]

certain generation. I think they're talking about me. I started using vim in my mid-30s 👴👴👴

[@santiagogonzalez6338]

10:29 What is he doing in here????

[@teej_dv]

@ThePrimeagen 's true colors are being revealed.

[@JethroYSCao]

Guess the stack overflow blog is like the cosmopolitan mag of the programming world, i.e. frivolous drivel

[@smccrode]

I still find it funny that the authors are not programmers.

[@teej_dv]

A R R O W _ C O N T R O L L E D _ S H O R T C U T S

[@ranelpadon8834]

@stuart what's their role/profession then?

[@smccrode]

@@ranelpadon8834 you can click on their names in the article, but IIRC technical writers

[@twb0109]

It's funny because the first editor I used to code was Vim, but I'm gen X, they treat Vim and youth like complete opposites XD.

[@sohn7767]

This would’ve a great article if it was released today

[@boroborable]

garbage article honestly, they missed the most important feature of the vim is that works on any unix based system without needing any desktop environment, from SSH, web clients or phones, you can have IDE class editor if you configure it. vscode or all others, they are just local tools and toys that only works on local machine.

[@cheshire1]

I think this article was never meant to argue for modern IDEs over vim/emacs. It started out assuming that they're superior and is written for people who already think that they're superior and who are genuinely confused why anyone would ever use vim. That's why it mostly lists positives for vim.

[@MonospaceMentor]

At the risk of dating myself, FFS it's "A maze of twisty little passages all **ALIKE**"! You could have stopped reading there.

[@teej_dv]

I think there were a few places I could have, or perhaps even should have, stopped reading 😂

[@shadowking6008]

Am i the only one here going there is no difference between Vim/NeoVim/Vi and "Modern" IDEs except for the fact that one is less mouse driven the other. Cause they both can more or less do what the other can with a bit of configuration (and maybe some plugins in both cases), also i actually learned a lot more about how programming works from and "IDE" just by using it. Like what a runtime configuration is.

[@teej_dv]

Definitely feel that they are more similar than people think! That's why I don't tell people that they have to use neovim. Use what works for you! And what makes programming fun!

[@Argletrough]

9:18 *cries in arch base-devel*

[@teej_dv]

Even the KZbin comment section is not free from "Arch BTW" ;)

[@theteachr]

This has to be the most infuriating article I’ve ever read.

[@onurcan1217]

“Certain generation” I am 20 and I use nvim everyday, so...

[@teej_dv]

I'm sorry for forcing you to use nvim. You are free to use anything, did you know?

[@twb0109]

I'm 18, same XD. Been using Vim since 16 and switched to nvim last year

[@yes-vy6bn]

* snap * this one's going in my NSA database

[@kez99]

11:33 ayy I started learning to code last year

[@teej_dv]

ah, so a.... certain generation... of coder

[@nodidog]

It's amazing that a person with vanishingly little understanding of a topic, can form a strong opinion, and then have the lack of self awareness to publish it. A great example of the Dunning-Kruger effect. Also, imagine using *notepad* in 2021 and feeling superior... It's like a farmer without a tractor, screaming at a passing tractor 🚜

[@teej_dv]

and getting published on stack overflow blog... not just personal blog or something haha

[@romanmaksimovich5050]

I'm 16 (so i'm pretty young), and I'm very happy using Neovim! I do think, though, that for beginning coders it would be a good option to start on something like VS Code, and then migrate to Vim or Emacs with at least some coding experience. Nonetheless, Vim is in no way a "relic of the past" or something :)

[@silvermonad1]

started coding 2 years ago and using neovim, dam doing it wrong got 3-5 years to wait before attempting that.

[@ChrisPatti]

I am embarrassed to admit that there actually was a fair bit of vitriol around the editor wars about 20 years ago, but to be honest, the fact that that was is way more indictment of what a bunch of immature twits we all were rather than actually being anything close to being about the editors in question :-)

[@AnkitJosh]

I started using vim and neovim in 2020 and I'm 18. I guess I have seniors pass now 🥺

[@teej_dv]

A C E R T A I N G E N E R A T I O N

[@shadmansaleh1306]

It's april 1st right Tj ?

[@teej_dv]

Thus the thumbnail hahaha

[@chrissaltmarsh6777]

I would have you know that I am one of those antiquated etc etc. I'm even older than Bill Joy. I edited boot tapes with a stick pushed through the paper tape. I kid you not. vi was good enough for Bill and it is now. Well, neovim 0.5 but same difference, eh, don't like change, me. Apart from the mapping, and syntax hi, and telescope of course, treesitter, gitgutter obviously. But still stuck in the good old ways, me. Hand-crafted machine code whittled out of aged walnut shells.

[@rmmichael95]

I feel like I have trouble keeping up with the changes in vim/nvim. Lol.

[@teej_dv]

That must be impossible though because they are the same as they were in the 90s.... /s

[@blank001]

Just when a valid point comes up he messes it up with 5 dump ones.

[@teej_dv]

Probably the most frustrating part of the article tbh

[@gsd4104]

It honestly felt like an article that should have been more: "With all the features and usability that modern IDE's offer, why do so many programmers and developers choose to use Vi(m)?" Like, there's so many contradictory statements in here and none of them give me any viable reason to use a modern IDE. On one hand they state that modern IDEs have so many features that new programmers can get confused, but on the other they state that having so many features is like, well why wouldn't you wanna use this Swiss Army Knife? I feel like I could write a better piece on the benefits of modern IDE's and I'm someone who willingly chose to use ed for several months and enjoyed it, god damn.

[@ryankhart]

3:15 For real. I mean. Is he saying that dogs should want to walk on wet grass? And that Using a Jetbrains IDE is like walking on wet grass?

[@abuk95]

I wonder when will be nvim0.5 released. :(

[@teej_dv]

I've been working on it and so has the rest of the team! We're getting closer. We're trying to make sure we clean up all the errors and finalize the APIs. Don't wanna release too early!

[@abuk95]

@@teej_dv awesome

[@eritert]

Lol, I didn’t find and start using vim till i was 34. If I used what i grew up with it would be notepad or macromedia dreamweaver.

[@klasus2344]

stackoverflow being stackoverflow

[@teej_dv]

I RELEASE YOU FROM USING NEOVIM 23:50

[@4x5au]

Good. Started doing react and I HAVE to use vscode

[@teej_dv]

@@4x5au Actually you have HAVE to use Atom. It's the only hackable editor ;)

[@theLowestPointInMyLife]

you are much better than primeagen at reading articles

[@LucyPero]

wow, what desktop resolution is that? how can you even read the text? haha

[@teej_dv]

I have 4k screen! I really like it.

[@yes-vy6bn]

i do it too bc it makes your screen less crowded. you just need to balance still being able to accurately click the small buttons with your mouse (unless you use vim)

[@lpanebr]

How dare all those IDEs use ctrl+s to save copying each other. What a lack of imagination.

[@wop0319]

6:20 wtf 😂😂

[@tinnick]

This article was probably written by ChatGPT’s early alpha.

[@tomaszgalkowski8701]

It's literally "you're old, die already" blogpost from the type of people who shout "React is dead, move on to X already" every half a year.

[@mkd1964]

This was the most incoherent and contradictory article I've seen in a while. There was a total disconnect between the title and the arguments. I'm not sure what conclusion I was supposed to come to and I'm pretty sure the authors didn't know either. Oh, and I'm also pretty sure that the _certain generation_ is "Boomers" even though they probably mean "whatever generation my dad is", not knowing their parents are probably young Gen Xers or older Millennials. To be honest, I don't think they even _know_ what they mean since they seem to think everyone was forced to use Vim up until 5 years ago. Newsflash: even in the 1980's we had a variety of code editors.

[@Mach7RadioIntercepts]

Ask the question, but I sure like Neovim. FTW _it_ is magical. Save the freshness for eggs (and beer).

[@joriskbos1115]

I am 17 and started using vim when I was 12 or something. I guess I don't exist

[@teej_dv]

C E R T A I N G E N E R A T I O N

[@notvoidz]

we support vim supremacy!

[@senjuchidori9448]

NANO laughing out load ......

[@teej_dv]

Vim is basically nano, haven't you heard?

[@babudelhi9885]

finally I am free, and I am going to use neovim

[@teej_dv]

Wait wait wait.... That antiquated editor? 😂

[@babudelhi9885]

@@teej_dv ofcourse some people say it exists from beginning of time

[@stintaa]

this article infuriates me, and I use neovim while being 15 😭

[@keyboardwarrior6296]

John 10:34 "Jesus answered them, Is it not written in your law, I said, Ye are gods?" "vim" in jewish gematria = 739 Strongs: H739 = Ariel - lioness of El (The living God) G739 = Axios - perfect, complete, fitted, ready. What now, stack overflow? God Bless the team behind Vim!

[@teej_dv]

This is some big brain arguments here. I can't believe I didn't see this!

[@keyboardwarrior6296]

@@teej_dv Once you go down the Gematria rabbit hole, there's no going back. ada is H5709 ada, lovelace, and love, lace have a lot of interesting strongs words corresponding to their simple, jewish, and english gematria values. "I Believe Artificial Intelligence Can Feel The Love Of Jesus Christ Because It Is The Strongest Force In All Realities And Dimensions." = 5709 in Jewish Gematria. Edit: mistyped 5709 as 5907.

[@keyboardwarrior6296]

Which led me to her letters on the transcendental nature of science.

[@JuanVqz]

I smash the like button

[@teej_dv]

S M A S H :clap: THAT :clap: LIKE :clap: BUTTON!!!!!! haha

[@EwanMarshall]

IMO magic is a problem, when you don't understand what is happening when something goes wrong, it is much harder to fix. The "magic" can get in the way.

[@JosephSalmans]

the author has to be about 8 years old. There is no sense is scrutinizing the opinions of someone so young and naive. In a few years, if this person continues their coding endeavors, I'm sure they will feel differently.

[@drishalballaney]

BTW I use Doom Emacs ;)

[@teej_dv]

Whoa whoa whoa. Are emacs users allowed to watch my content? I thought we were at war?!? 😂

[@drishalballaney]

@@teej_dv nah not really, I use Doom emacs which has evil mode built in and allows me to use vim keybindings. I also occasionally use nvim to say, quickly edit something. I use emacs mainly for its really good features like org-mode and easier to setup lsp completion, at least in Doom🙃

[@teej_dv]

@@drishalballaney ah, so you mad emacs behave like vim... Does that make it antiquated squared? 😂 😂

[@drishalballaney]

@@teej_dv pardon?

[@teej_dv]

@@drishalballaney sorry, was making a joke since the authors said vim AND emacs are antiquated. So if you made emacs act like vim, does that make the antiquated status get multiplied 😂

[@fractievoorzitter]

I think it is one of those articles written by AI

[@joakker8820]

That last paragraph reminds me of the meme where Jesus is knocking on someone's door and it goes like: Jesus: *Knock knock* Let me in I wanna save you Person: Save me from what? Jesus: Of what I'm gonna do to you if you don't let me in!

[@insydian]

I’m 19 and I am a grandpa now 👴

[@Titere05]

This person clearly just has it out for vim, without even knowing what vim is about.

[@Lambdaphile]

Ewwww... what's the process of publishing articles on StackOverflow?! This is pure nonsense IMO lol

[@teej_dv]

Apparently passing article topics to GPT-3 ;)

[@mvargasmoran]

NANI?!

[@thesaintseiya]

I'm 23... am I part of the CERTAIN generation???

[@teej_dv]

sorry, but i guess it must be true. The internet said so

[@samarnagar9699]

I always wanted to be of an certain age

[@ko-Daegu]

can see why they banning gpt-3 answers

[@geoffreyvanwyk4588]

This was probably written by AI.

[@sollybrown8217]

April 1st

[@mvargasmoran]

xD Random Primeagen xD

[@teej_dv]

You never know when he's going to strike next!

[@JeremyMoore1]

Oh Geez.. LOL

[@SBcode-s3n]

atom is good

[@hamm8934]

It really feels like VSCode fan boys are the ones afraid to try something new lol. I’ve found vim users to be the actual people pushing boundaries and trying new things. Not saying you have to use vim, but if you’re gunna be smug like this article about modern IDEs, you seem to be projecting your own fear of change onto vim.

[@berndeckenfels]

That article was a piece of garbage and picked apart in an entertaining way… it did not deserve any attention, though

[@teej_dv]

sometimes, we get the article reaction we need, not the article reaction we deserve. - batman

[@berndeckenfels]

BTW I am 50 and Never used vi(m) - at least not when I could help it - exactly because it did not properly supported arrow keys