Windows 11 24H2 is WORSE THAN Windows 8 | RANT:30

[@ricardoseoane1980]

Microsoft has to understand that once we power users start going to linux, and get confortable there, we are not coming back.

[@kensmith5694]

I expect it won't just be the power users. On Linux (lets use Mint as an example), I can have a copy of firefox to watch all all the cat videos I want and there is a solitaire game. That covers 99.9% of what a computer is really used for and it doesn't need a TPM chip.

[@helloimatapir]

Microsoft does not care about power users. Their market is OEM and business.

[@1pcfred]

You have no power in Linux.

[@kensmith5694]

@@1pcfred sudo get power

[@AgentLokVokun]

Microsoft is fine with that TBH. Windows doesn't exactly make MS that much money. People like your mom and grandma will gladly stay on W10/W11/Whatever Apple Calls their Desktop OS.

[@frskngd]

its safe to say that if it wasnt for security reasons, most people would still be using windows xp and 7

[@mugwump-bk7os]

I'd even take Vista over the BS that 24H2 is imposing on us...

[@SahilP2648]

I liked the Vista UI a lot. I would take the speed and capabilities of 7 and the UI of Vista to get the perfect Windows OS.

[@himmelskibet]

Use Common Sense. I Still Use 7 Myself.

[@SahilP2648]

@@himmelskibet 7 is not secure, otherwise I would be using it. And a lot of apps like Chrome have dropped support for it.

[@InvaderZed]

I would def still be on 7

[@arniespace]

How about that stupid right click menu, where the most used cmd's are under "more options" Pisses me off 10 times a day.

[@dragons_advocate]

WinAero Tweaker can disable that for you

[@zeus1117]

Still on Win 10. Nothing moves me to 11

[@jason_a_smith_gb]

So can a reg tweak.

[@akosv96]

And these replies show exactly how much people have to cope. "Just edit the registry entries". When people have to go around these things in obscure and inconvenient ways, that's a clue Microsoft is fumbling real hard.

[@Elomentoplayz]

@@zeus1117 Forced to use it because my laptop came with it My desktop has Windows 10 even though it came out after Windows 11 came out. It's so much better.

[@Finite-Tuning]

Ahh Microsoft, they've reinvented the wheel so many times now it's a square! Cheers 🍻

[@johanb.7869]

And made it basically useless😜

[@s1nistr433]

Imo Microsoft is on a power trip where they think "we can do whatever we want and you'll use our product anyway because you're dependent on our software". The coercion they put their users through is insane, forcing them to sign into a Microsoft account, making it difficult to add local accounts, locking the UI withoutgiving any option to change it & frequently breaking 3rd party apps that try to let power users customize stuff, excessive telemetry, and syncing all your data into their overprices cloud services, that on top of years of legacy code baggage, inconsistent UI design with like 2 context menus and 3 half-baked settings menus. Ignoring how evil it is, they don't realize that more and more apps are cross platform or have decent open source alternatives. In the short term this stuff works but in the long term they'll lose their audience once everyone finds out it's cheaper and better to just use linux.

[@MarkusMaal]

More specifically 4 squares in a 2x2 grid arrangement

[@dddux]

This is so funny and so true.

[@dddux]

@@s1nistr433 The inconvenient truth. They can virtually "behind-hop" millions of users because they - can. Been observing this behaviour since Windows XP and they're not going to stop. Thankfully the process has been very slow, giving Linux developers enough time to make Linux better and more user friendly, which it is for about a decade now, but constantly getting better. One of the things I had to get used to with Linux is updating. Always hated updates on Windows, or changing the OS. Linux Debian, I installed it in 2013 and it's still running perfectly. Went from v7 to v8, v9... v12 throughout years and 3 different hard disks, 2 different computers.

[@KCKingcollin]

As a Linux user I actually agree with a lot of your points here, and I don't pretend Linux is the silver bullet that we want it to be yet, I just got really tired of all the ads, broken code, and straight up data theft

[@teksyndicate]

I use linux on lots of my systems... but I can't on my main because the music programs I need don't work (VSTs mostly)... The creative crowd is hostage to windows or MAC

[@KCKingcollin]

@@teksyndicate that's exactly what I aim to fix personally, a lot on Linux has gotten better overall, but audio issues still plague us, I and who ever is willing to contribute will work on this soon, though don't expect much too quickly, it'll be my first major project after all

[@edwardmacnab354]

@@KCKingcollin the linux community should start a system where contributors are paid , not just applauded , or just taken for granted

[@KCKingcollin]

@@edwardmacnab354 you mean like donations? Lol

[@edwardmacnab354]

@@KCKingcollin well for one thing they should start making huge corporate users pay some kind of user fee , but I suppose they will still then keep ripping the linux community off by clandestinely incorporating open source code in their own proprietary software

[@johanrynjah8241]

The number of hidden telemetries within windows 11 is scary . . .

[@punishthemeatpocket]

Hostility toward customer needs has been accelerating in all areas of commerce in the last several years. It will cost them dearly.

[@MaxLaingDMP]

Amen!

[@ultravioletiris6241]

Doubtful

[@hellishcyberdemon7112]

​@ultravioletiris6241 why do you doubt, I dont think you understand how fed up people are, im staying on win10

[@ultravioletiris6241]

@@hellishcyberdemon7112 Till they end security updates

[@soooslaaal8204]

@@hellishcyberdemon7112 I'm permanently switching to Linux and having an old laptop with Windows if I have anything I need

[@Devastator0]

The one that gets me is that Microsoft, with the Windows 11 24H2 update, will be automatically applying Bitlocker encryption for all volumes on your device. Happens during the Windows install process but supposedly when you update an existing 23H2 system to 24H2. I DO NOT want my devices to have Bitlocker encryption on them, I have no need for that to occur and really, really hate that MS is making that an automatic/mandatory thing.

[@KangMinseok]

fyi there is a way to turn that off by adding a disabling key in the registry entry for bitlocker (works also during installation via cmd). Mental Outlaw just released a video for that.

[@Devastator0]

@@KangMinseok Yeah, I know of the registry key for that, but I didn't know if that will remain/also apply if doing the update from 23H2 to 24H2. Every article I've been reading about that just talks about it's effectiveness during the Windows install process, not by an update.

[@Azurryu]

Bitlocker screwed me over more often than it saved me. All my important data is on an external encrypted drive anyways. Disabled bitlocker because I was sick of entering the recovery key every few weeks because it decided something must've changed about my hardware after every Windows update.

[@RJARRRPCGP]

@@Azurryu Happening on every CU? I hope I don't see that happen!

[@teksyndicate]

sooooo many people are going to lose data... this is insanity.

[@BG101UK]

People often buy big, expensive high-resolution monitors *because they want more usable screen space*. Not usually due to having the visual cognition of a two-year-old. Then we have MS and the majority of current website creators tabletifying everything, scrolling down umpteen times to see content which should fit on an old 640x480 VGA display. … It's somewhat akin to fitting a sports car with the same engine as a 49cc scooter. Even with "printer-friendly" stuff e.g. statements, now it's triple line spacing with tiny fonts and acres of white-space. Requires FOUR sheets of paper? It could easily fit on ONE.

[@xybersurfer]

tables based layouts are not supposed to be used for new stuff. as far as i'm aware, flexbox layout is all the rage now for websites. where items can be made to fit with "flex-wrap: wrap;" for line wrapping items. but you can't prevent people from using the wrong tools

[@jbutler8585]

MS continuing to screw up desktop UIs is so damn baffling. Windows Phone FAILED, guys. Surface tablet marketshare consists almost entirely of people who bought it at clearance prices or fished one out of a dumpster. There is no unified UI to keep chasing. Meanwhile, insane things that EVERYONE HATES stick around. What kind of animal uses drag & drop to move text selections?!

[@M7x0.75]

I call it Fisher-Price oversized UI

[@teknixstuff]

@@xybersurfer Tablet (like the iPad). Not Table.

[@xybersurfer]

@@teknixstuff yeah that's what it says now. but that part could have been edited

[@Zeric1]

Desktop OSes are trying to figure out where they fit in and who their target market it as the landscape has changed. People who are not creating content, which is the majority, are rapidly moving to mostly using their phone or tablet when not at work. I've seen this with those in my own family who are not power users or PC gamers, they spend way more time on small screens devices than desktops. This is huge shift over the last ten years. Windows should be focusing more on the power users, business users, and PC gamers. Windows home as it stands is becoming irrelevant.

[@dddux]

That's right. Desktop computers aren't nearly as popular as they were during the noughts and early 10s. A modern household can absolutely do away with WIndows if they have a smart TV (Android), Playstation console(s), several smart phones and pads that run iOS and/or Android. Unless you're using the computer for content creation - music, pictures, and videos, you don't need it.

[@6ch6ris6]

sad but true. the saddest part is that politics jumped on the bandwagon and gave out ipdas to elementary pupils instead of making them work with proper desktop PCs. and ipad will not prepare you to find a good job

[@jfulleton]

deal breaker for me, is not being able to move the task bar on to either left or right or top of the screen. It is LOCKED to the bottom of the screen. Like WHY?!

[@iyaramonk]

Same, I've had mine on the right side for like 15 years.

[@xybersurfer]

that's pretty crappy

[@mmmhorsesteaks]

There used to be a way to put a folder worth of icons on your taskbar; like a kind of "launcher" almost. Never understood why they removed that; it was so useful. Sticking apps (ugh...) to the taskbar is so clunky compared to the convenience we used to have.

[@michaelelkin9542]

Unfortunately this has been the case since the start of 11. But task bar replacements have been an option to easily restore the 10 style taskbar and all it's features. These are the very options they are breaking with the latest update. Hopefully they will still find a way.

[@plamen5358]

Absolutely, I think the designers at Microsoft with their 3 monitors don't quite understand that a laptop or a single monitor setup absolutely need the vertical space while keeping the taskbar active. When Apple is doing better job at UX, you know it's really bad.

[@woodlanditguy2951]

As an IT admin who manages a Windows environment for around 250 end users I can honestly say: Windows 11 CONSTANTLY gets in the way of me doing actual work. Edge takes over PAID FOR copies of Adobe reader pro CONSTANTLY. It always tries to take away prefered browsers and put Edge in their place. It installs 3 different versions of Teams (with out my permission) even though we need Teams (work or school) to do parts of our job. When MS office fails, it takes down the entire OS with it causing me to have to re-image the PC which is hours of work for me, and hours of lost work for the end user. Win 7 let us choose what updates we needed, Win 11 forces them on us no matter what. When I set up a new Win 11 install for a new employee, I have to: Uninstall about 10-12 apps that are not needed in a business world Disable UEFI Encapsule Updates from the BIOS Jump through hoops to get local user accounts to work deny MS account control about a half dozen times so MS doesn't take full control of the PC be completely mercilessly attacked by unwanted windows updates.

[@artisanbusiness1314]

i quit my IT Manager job, too much stress. User issues, old server crashes, SQL issues and Ransomeware attack. Too much to handle for a few people.

[@davidbriseno910]

Sounds like they should hire a real sysadmin...

[@Sonyboj]

Manageing Windows 11 is a different beast now. You really need to use Intune + Autopilot and use Intune policy settings to tweak it or GPO. Then you can control Windows Update, Start menu etc. You should not be doing manual setup anymore really. You can do it but as you see there are a bunch of blocks.

[@profosist]

@@Sonyboj correct this is good info. You need to use the correct tools to manage things whether they be 1st party or 3rd party.

[@artisanbusiness1314]

@@davidbriseno910 lol! they didn't wanted to pay. now they hired a company who monitor the power plant.

[@DocOrtmeyer]

Why. Why tf. Do I need to click “more options” if I want to copy or delete something ? Or go to a menu 😡

[@RetroNook]

I miss Windows XP.

[@johanb.7869]

You can still use it, as long as you don't connect it to the internet😉

[@BurrPulch]

I don't miss it at all. Why?? Because I am still using it!

[@josephdias5859]

@@johanb.7869 theres still brand new unnofficial security updates

[@automatedrussianbot8043]

opera browser used to work on xp just a few years ago, it was perfect for playing older games

[@automatedrussianbot8043]

@@johanb.7869 SomeOrdinaryGamers drone spotted, you can still use XP on the internet just fine if you know what you're doing and dont intentionally turn of all firewalls

[@theseabass]

I jumped off the Windows Wagon when the first foreshocks of ads being experimented with in the file browser hit us. I switched to Linux then, and it's been interesting to say the least. (Using a newbie distro, Mint, for reference.) Certain things are ridiculously easy in Linux where I had some resistance in Windows. Things like recognizing printers is done seemlessly on Linux where if it sees the device on your network it will just add it to usable devices when you go to print. I've never had an easy time setting up printers on Windows. Another odd thing was I decided to install Microsoft Office 07 under Wine, and it gave me no hassle at all over my key. I've used this software cd/key since around 2008, and when I upgraded to Windows 10 it REALLY did not want me to be able to activate it. I ended up just having to leave the key in the software, keep using it while the activation timer kept giving me warnings, and eventually it gave in and just gave me my software activation. No such fuss on Linux. Gaming on Linux really brings me back to my early days of computers for me (early 2000's in my case) where you can get most stuff to work, but you're going to have to work a little bit for it. If you stick to Steam it's really easy, but it gets more complicated when you want to run older games or mods. Thankfully the tricks you learn to get one game working will probably apply to many others. That sense of discovery really takes me back to when computers were new and exciting to me, as I didn't have everything quite figured out, and the possibilities of what the machine in front of me could do seemed endless. The biggest downside of Linux for me is definitely the hard incompatibilities. There have been certain pieces of hardware that I initially thought I wasn't going to be able to run, like my GOXLR or my PCIe capture card, but with some headache I was eventually able to get running in some capacity. The biggest hurdle being, like you said, some of the creative apps not working fully or at all on Linux. One example for me being Vegas Pro. It's not supported on Linux, and only some older versions can run under Wine, and they come with big compromises. My options then are either to go without it, keep a windows install, or learn a new editing suite. The third option is probably what Ill end up doing, but I know thats a huge timesink and ball of frustration that I have to get through right off the start. I do hope more people come to Linux. I don't think it will ever be the dominant OS, but I could see it being the one gamers use if it were to ridiculously easy to setup in 99% of games (right now it's probably 70% thanks to steam), and if the performance gap on Windows it has for games grew too big for gamers to ignore.

[@johanb.7869]

Linux isn't for everyone, but at least you can make it your own unlike Windows with all the telemetry, ads and other crap you don't want and it's free.

[@spodula]

When i switched about 2 years ago, the printer thing surprised me. I had tried to do it about 10 years ago and it was a pain to get my printer working, but it looks like sometime in the interim, someone has put the time and effort into sorting it, and i agree, its a lot more seamless then Windows these days. Especially wireless ones.

[@ElTejanoLoco]

I have been using Linux since Microsoft broke OS/2 Warp because I did not want to go to Windows 95. I have worked as a Linux Operations Admin with a DevOps team in the past so I am pretty expert with it. Have you tried setting up a VM in VirtualBox for those apps that absolutely need Windows to work? I use a VM to run Quicken because what Linux is really missing is a good personal finance manager. And I also have to use the VM to watch English Premier League Football (Soccer) on Peacock because they do an OS check and Peacock refuses to run on Linux because of "support issues". Never mind that ever other freaking streaming service runs great on Linux. But I have to admit that I keep a Win 10 PC around for gaming and resource-intensive stuff like video editing. However, once W10 goes EOL I will probably get rid of Windows on the PC and just use VMs for those rare times I need to use Windows for something.

[@andythebrave]

If the ad i charge per ad forvreading lus bing ads fullnof viruses

[@GraveUypo]

@@ElTejanoLoco how is performance on a VM vs native? i have a 2tb ssd for linux on my pc out of the total, idk, 11 tbs i have on my pc. but i mostly use linux now so i think when i get a new 4tb ssd, i'll make it ext4 and use it as a buffer to transfer my old stuff to ext4 too, and i'll invert the current situation: only 2tb as ntsc for windows. anyway, i'd much prefer a VN over dual booting if performance isn't impacted. so how is it?

[@TheKuptis]

Main reason I'm still using Windows is the ease of installing and running games, especially games that don't have a Linux variant.

[@MoultrieGeek]

You don't need Linux variants if you're running Steam games. It's as simple as Windows: click to install, no messing about. The problem is non-Steam games that require Lutri, which works well but requires some fiddling and can be problematic at times. Older games are hit and miss and AMD gpus have better support than Nvidia.

[@roklaca3138]

​@@MoultrieGeekstop lying for the love of god, there is still a lot of problems with ptoton, steam install is still a mess..etc.

[@MoultrieGeek]

@@roklaca3138 I'll have to inform my Steam games that they are a mess. Who knew?

[@jimman-beard2167]

@@MoultrieGeek I have a robust Steam Library and MOST of the games DO NOT work in Linux... I wish they did.... But its not that easy to game on Linux.

[@aouyiu]

@@MoultrieGeek Exactly, I'm an Nvidia user, so Linux is a no-go for gaming for me. Tedious workarounds and tweaks are just not worth the hassle and don't fix much, the Nvidia Linux drivers really just are abysmal. AMD users are lucky their manufacturer actually cares about Linux support, they even have ROCm. I have an AMD-based Laptop running most of my Steam games with zero issues. It's night and day and it's all because of Jensen.

[@piggfeathers]

spent two hours arguing with microsoft that changing my motherboard shouldn't mean i need a new key 90% of my pc is the same parts

[@Prophet6000]

MS is so weird about the OS where they keep removing any user control people have. Then just doing things to make the general experience worse. I'm glad I switched to Linux.

[@sociallyferal4237]

I recall attending a Microsoft TechEd back when windows 7 was being released. There was a seminar talking about windows 7 and UAC. The presenter asked who were power users and most of the audience put their hands up. He then said - it's because of you that we have put UAC in place. . . And they've been taking stuff away ever since.

[@keithbrown7685]

Why does MS remind me of Apple in this kind of situation? Apple got good at removing features. Now MS is taking pages out of their book!

[@alfredklek]

Not so long ago I upgraded my desktop computer from Debain Linux 11 to 12. I didn't have to learn a whole new OS because the look and feel of it did not change. Furthermore, I didn't have to reconfigure ANYTHING because, if you have a separate /home directory everything just stays the same except now you have a more secure, up to date system. I never did understand why Microsoft feels the need to partially or totally wipe the slate with every new release. Eveyone liked 10's user interface apparently so why go effing around with it?

[@tomspencer1364]

They hate their customers. Maybe they should bring back the Win 8 interface to make it plain. It is spots on a screen -- if you went through the trouble you could make it look and act like Win 7 or XP.

[@dddux]

I am still using same Debian I installed in 2013, Different computer and 3rd hard disk, though. Installed Debian 7 (wheezy) then just upgraded at every .5 (like 9.5) version when they worked out most of the bugs. Now I'm on Debian 12. Great thing with Linux is that the UI you chose doesn't change, just things that really matter, like drivers and os functionality and services. When Debian 13 comes out, remember to edit "sources" file, apt update, apt --upgrade-all . Gone are the days of having to erase everything and start fresh. Only with Windows it's recommendable cos it gets slower with time due to stupid registry file. Cheers!

[@DarkSansTV]

NOOOOOOOO Adobe is the LAST company that I'd be okay with making an OS! you know it's bad when even the government doesn't like them, since the US Government recently sued them for their insane *hidden* termination fee, I loved watching that unfold

[@INSTINCTXIV]

I’m honestly considering switching to another OS. From their inability to regain the search functionality of win8 to removing quality of life features and so much more it’s at a point that I literally have a thread on my Discord solely for Windows issues.

[@kensmith5694]

I suggest you try a few Linuxes to see if you find them OK. Linux Mint can be made to boot from an external USB hard drive. This means you don't need to even touch the Windows drive.

[@theyellowarchitect4504]

PopOS is the best linux, give it a try.

[@nxx99]

Debian bro

[@INSTINCTXIV]

​@@see-sharp Well I'm not the kind to stay loyal to a company. I can't ditch Windows outright but I can experiment with the OS and maybe see something I like and stick. I've already started installing suggestions on my other drives. It seems Linux is gaining more and more momentum these past years and Windows heading the other way so what better time.

[@KanadGodse]

Does anyone remember TweakUI? We need something like that. I believe Windows XP and 7 was the peaks and it's all been downhill from there!

[@SpaceCadet4Jesus]

Yes, there are programs similar to the classic TweakUI that work with Windows 11. For instance, Ultimate Windows Tweaker 5 is designed specifically for Windows 11 and offers a variety of tweaks to personalize and improve the system's performance. Additionally, TweakUIX aims to replicate the functionality of the original Tweak UI for modern versions of Windows, including Windows 11.

[@saltyabcdef3202]

XP was easy on the eyes, didn't have to squint to see anything. These minimalist UIs (10 and 11) may look more elegant initially but that wears off as you realize they are not nearly as visually ergonomic as XP. Tired eyes with the newer operating systems.

[@KangMinseok]

Who still remembers... XP Antispy (website still exists btw., frozen in time since 2015). This battle has been ongoing since the literal dawn of the century...

[@banishedprivateer]

Quickly, announce Windows 12!

[@SneakyVito]

nah going to pull a windows 9 and skip lol

[@ThePlayerOfGames]

12 is announced, it's going to be a "primarily AI OS"

[@Solent19]

do you *really* expect MS to magically not be crap with their new OS?

[@dddux]

@@SneakyVito Yeh "Windows Nein!" (German) lol

[@Technopath47]

Start going to Linux? I'm actively pushing people to Linux! No more Windows in my house, period!

[@teksyndicate]

The backbone of my house is Linux (servers, nas, etc.)... but I'm hostage to Windows on my main

[@xybersurfer]

good luck supporting all those people on Linux

[@ThePlayerOfGames]

​@@xybersurferI've had far fewer tech support requests and they are vastly more about user forgetting something simple with Linux (Pop!_OS mostly) than "Microsoft pushed an update that prevents my software from running" or "Microsoft pushed an update that slowed down my whole system" which is most of my Windows tech support requests.

[@zaycad215]

Doors allowed still?

[@Gramini]

@@xybersurfer So far there's less need for "people-support" on Linux when compared to Windows in my household (for the same people using both Windows and Ubuntu).

[@deamon9]

I hope to see your video on this abomination of a OS soon.

[@francoisleveille409]

You mentioning the GUI dates back to Windows NT made me reminiscent of my MCSE on NT 4.0 days back in 1996. Yes, I used NT 3.51 BEFORE Win95 came out. It needed a boatload of RAM when there was collusion going on between manufacturers and RAM cost about 50$ PER MEGABYTES back then.

[@mheetu3909]

Tek Syndicate, while I can't say I've ever used the feature... you'll be happy to learn that as of the May 29th, 2024 (KB5037853) update, they've added back the ability to drop files over the Explorer address bar breadcrumbs. 👍🏼

[@SpaceCadet4Jesus]

People don't realize that Microsoft has to remove features and rewrite the code in a more modern format before it gets put back into the operating system. Windows is a work in progress as they rid itself of ancient code and incorporate features back into the operating system. Before they add the feature back in they will question it's inclusion according to Telemetry data, beta testers and other in-house decision. Too bad the people who stop the Telemetry data are basically not voting for the features that they want.

[@wpochert]

Been Linux full time since windows 8...never had a single thing I needed or wanted to do fail. It's not always smooth sailing, but PCs never were back in the hey day anyways.

[@Dude_99981]

Imagine buying mid en gaming laptop that released in 2023 and came with Windows 11, and suffer from slow slughish choppy animation of the Windows 11 UI/UX itself is ridiculously unacceptable... And then when i try to downgrade to windows 10, guess what, i regret using windows 11

[@haewymetal]

What animations are you talking about? Im using win11 and havent seen any of these "animations" from the GUI you're speaking of. And yes Ive used Win 98, XP, Vista, 7, 8, 10.

[@Dude_99981]

@haewymetal the whole entire ui, even scrolling on settings menu seems choppy, the animation when I just click on start menu also feels it caped on lower refresh rate, even if I open multiple of program or tabs, those mica transparency effect will destroy my smooth experience... The hell is this shit, I have 144hz refresh rate monitor RTX30 series and Core i7 Gen 12th and 32GB of RAM, somehow the whole UI is so F slow

[@ThaWiz11]

No idea what you're talking about either this is why you shouldn't buy bootleg windows keys 😆

[@frustratedalien666]

@@haewymetal I really don't know what half of these people are complaining about, tbh. Some are saying Windows 8 was better. WTF? Windows 8 was a shitty nightmare. One even claimed Windows 2k was the last version of Windows they loved. Really? I had BSODs so often on Windows 2k that I once considered punching my monitor. People get worked up about weird things 🤷‍♂ I've been happily daily driving Linux for more than a decade now but I've used Windows 11 and it is perfectly fine with WSL 2 and winget. I wish they wouldn't force me sign in with a Microsoft account, and that's probably my only major complaint.

[@Galax2000]

​@@frustratedalien666windows 11 is running inefficient as windows 10 already did. The whole UI is just xml. f XML. WHY? Who knows. Metro in Windows 8 was waaaaay better. The start menu was a mess for Desktop users yes but I used windows 8 on a tablet and even on a modern one until the support had ended and it was good. Waaay better than what windows 11 does.

[@edwarddurkin6635]

Ads are making everything worse: KZbin, Facebook, Cable TV, and now Windows OS. Corporations sell something that works well then let ads creep in little by little. Eventually they are obtrusive. Notice the “playing through” ads for golf tournament coverage? What’s next? Streaming services and maybe even some Linux distros.

[@dddux]

No, not Linux distros. Pushing things onto users just doesn't work with Linux. Ubuntu tried something tiny once... and there was a huge backlash. Never again. ;) You can be safe and sound using Linux ad, ai, data collection free. Just needs a few addons for Firefox.

[@Guilherme36594]

So, you recommend keep windows 10? For now i will because my pc can´t handle 11.

[@ThreateningDarkWolf]

it's usually better off staying if you're stuck with aged components, as these don't usually have extended driver support in newer systems, this could cause the pc not peforming the way it should.

[@Aeroxima]

10 should be fine for a decent while. If it can handle 10, it can almost certainly handle 11, it's just that they arbitrarily say no. I could only guess why. There is LTSC for windows 10 to go further, I don't know the deal with it, or how much it costs or anything, but people say it can extend windows 10 up to like 2027 or 2032 or something. At some point it may just be more practical to cave and do what they want, buying new hardware for no reason and letting them collect and sell your data, for people that just aren't that into computers at least. My thought currently is to dual boot with Linux and Windows 10, and start getting used to Linux on the side. I'd rather they just stop being crazy, I prefer windows.

[@Constellado]

THE DRAG AND DROP FILE EXPLORER THING. Oh my god it has been so annoying missing it.

[@myownbiggestfan]

I just got a Windows 11 PC (with a touch screen) after 20 years on a Mac. The Windows interface feels like beta software. The structure of all the settings and options seems to have been done without any planning. I'm relatively savvy still, and I've done lots to improve the experience, but I feel beaten down by it less than two months since getting it.

[@etrain5050]

Microsoft is not going to do anything. The feedback hub had an article a while back for classic theme bringing that back. Like the Windows 98 looking one from Windows 7, they had that. A Microsoft dev came in and closed it saying not going to happen. They don't care.

[@toonedin]

As a total emigré over to Linux-topia, I watched this video with idle curiosity, and reading the "war correspondents" reporting in the comments makes me feel so content, safe and satisfied. Btw, I run older Windows in a VM if I ever need to run any hold-overs from the MS side. And spending that money in more RAM is always a better choice than feeding the MS troll.

[@3040-f9g]

As a Linux user, I agree with your points. It's going to be a slow drip, drip process. Average users are becoming more tech savvy. Hopefully, the big software vendors will jump onboard. Eventually. The one question I have for Microsoft, is why? Seriously.

[@lboston4660]

"Average users are becoming more tech savvy" Really? Where? Please show me. I haven't met anybody in the real world who owns a proper computer in years.

[@3040-f9g]

@@lboston4660 certainly in the UK. I would regard most of my colleagues as computer literate. It's become essential in the world of work now. I can't speak for foreign countries, however.

[@johanb.7869]

Maybe once Windows is subscription based, more users will make the switch.

[@tsuzuku6427]

(Lifelong windows fan here) I Moved my daily usage to Linux at the start of this year after two years of playing around with distros and DE's in my spare time (Arch running KDE is where I landed). Best decision I've ever made. It's completely rejuvenated my passion for computers and made me have a significantly deeper understanding of than I had previously. I'm still keeping a drive with windows 10 on it and probably always will for a small handful of tasks, even if it just for updating the firmware on my xbox controller. But my day to day browsing and application use, as well as gaming has all moved to linux now and I honestly can't see a future where I ever go back to using windows full time. Especially as Linux is seemingly getting bigger and better every month now.

[@ent2220]

I'm on Linux. 30px taskbar (aka panel) with uncombined apps is the only way I use it. I pin my apps to the start menu and only have the running ones on the taskbar with their titles and everything - like I said - uncombined. That's a true desktop experience. Dating back to Windows 7 I thought it was a terrible idea to combine them in terms of efficiency. You can't tell what the tile is, and if there are multiple instances there is an extra click you have to do. Never been a fan of docks and these kinds of things. But yeah - totally agree 50px (or however big) taskbar is such a waste for a desktop.

[@NestorCustodio]

I love the lengths people will go to in making Windows 10/11 behave as much as possible like Windows XP. Can't say I blame ya. Those were the days of super simple configuration and maximum customizability.

[@Kimvanloocke]

So you needed to Activate Windows to customise personal preforences but now they take customizing away so what reason is there to Activate Windows?

[@freeeng01]

they`ll found a way to lock more stuff in unactivated version

[@paft]

That whole idea that "we need one interface for all users" isn't just a MS thing. So much software now has that larger UI style that is touch compatible.

[@DarkSansTV]

there was always huge deal breakers for me, one of them being how they screwed up the settings for the new OS, and now it's the fact that they're black listing certain programs, literally why? completely boycotting Windows 11 at this point, had planned to switch to it after 10 went out of support, but they're actively supporting windows 10 with how they're going about developing windows 11 now, also no linux is not happening, I play too many games that don't support linux so that was already the deal breaker for them

[@iclonethefirst]

Don't make to much fun about that you can just rename stuff and it works. Tbh, this seems intentional. Some MS employee was forced to implent that feature and wasn’t also fond the idea of blocking these apps, so they did the bare minimum

[@bobd5119]

Re: "Stick with Windows 10 for as long as humanly possible." That was about 3 partial days for me. Getting character sizes so I could read from about 30" away from my monitor was impossible. Deal killer: no frames around windows. "Frames" are often called "borders". So I found myself hunting for the edges of grey windows sitting on top of other grey windows. What fathead came up with the idea of frameless windows? I am using Windows 7 Home, despite its refusal to use the upper half of my machine's 32GB memory. Thanks for nothing, Microsoft. (Linux is worse. Is there no hope?)

[@SpaceCadet4Jesus]

Dude, you can make character sizes so large you can read them from 30 ft away, but you're going to need a much bigger monitor, like 65" and reduce the resolution. Borders around windows is a good feature. Especially thin colored borders. There's a couple tweak programs for Windows 11 that may do it. I'll look into that. Thanks for your post.

[@RenanMayrinck]

I'm waiting for the day where ReactOS will be fully usable on a daily basis and compatible with most modern software so I don't depend on Windows anymore...

[@dddux]

Unfortunately ReactOS' development is waaaay too slow. It's like almost 20 years old project. Now it can run all kinds of things, but even XP or W7 is far more compatible with Windows programs.

[@RenanMayrinck]

Sad :/

[@Isaac-gh5ku]

I want to know if this 24H2 update only apply to the US, because if it's worldwide, then that would be horrifying for Windows users outside North America.

[@urbanelemental3308]

Win 2K was my goto for YEARS.

[@StariusPrime]

Windows 2000 was the last version of Windows I was truly 100% happy with, and it's just been down hill in one way or another since then.

[@ltxr9973]

Agreed, Win2k was almost perfect

[@teksyndicate]

It's where I played Deus Ex... so it'll always be one of the best in my eyes.

[@StariusPrime]

@@teksyndicate I remember Microsoft was trying to get game developers to stop 2K compatibility and just make games compatible on XP. But at the time, I could get Age of Empires 3 to run on 2K just by editing an ini file. Meanwhile, XP started requiring bidirectional monitor cables to choose resolution. I was using BNC cables which were only monodirectional and I lost the ability to choose refresh rate with XP. Microsoft is the Benjamin Button of software development. The older they get, the less they know what they’re doing.

[@ZipplyZane]

Interesting. I went from Windows 98SE to XP. When I did finally try out Windows 2000 for fun, it didn't seem to be noticeably different than XP in classic UI mode. Though I think it still had the Windows 98 era Start Menu? I never had much of a problem with the XP one. I definitely preferred having "frequently used programs" listed instead of hunting for each program all the time.

[@Flamestryke-TV]

I have been an MSDN member since I got my MCSE in 2000 but once i heard about all these changes of 2H42 I was trying to understand why they did this, it seems they want people to dump windows because they don't want to have to support it. At least it seems like that. With the AI stuff and all the forced bit locker I have had it. So I had bought windows 11 pro for my streaming PC. So I finally wiped the PC and installed Linux, and i have 99% of my stream running on Linux mint. I won't go back. Once I get my gaming running properly on Linux I won't go back.

[@n.m4497]

Bro, I switched to Linux. All games working easily and everything is so fucking fast no matter whats installed. Never going back

[@smalltowngoose]

if all the games i enjoy worked on linux i would switch immediately. when i dont enjoy those games anymore, i will no doubt be using linux..

[@mrdali67]

It's a big problem that they are just removing stuff that they don't want the home user messing around with. The Power users use those "old school" tools and even old console commands because it's faster than clicking loads of boxes on/off. Ask any professional how do I do this the easiest way and you get the story about loading the console and do it manually or install putty. EVEN that stuff is 20+ years old its still faster than using a graphical interface. If they want to keep the power users interested, they have to actually UPDATE that old NT code and still allow power users to access these tools. I don't have a problem with this being hidden on my normal user profile, but I still want to have a power user account when I need to use these tools to help people fix a botched up windows install or get access to all their stuff hidden by some malware and getting it backed up before you erase the system and do a clean install. P.S I'd be happy to see some updated Power toys. Those were so great tools in old days when we were just getting used to work with a graphical environment

[@ariahjade34]

I installed Windows 11 on one of my desktops, it turned into 45 minutes of cursing Microsoft. Lets just say Windows 10 was reinstalled shortly thereafter. One of the things that frustrated me the most is the new context menu. Its stripped of everything and requires an extra step by clicking "show more options" to get to the old style menu. Microsoft don't fix things if it isn't broken!!!

[@MAC1072]

I honestly wouldn't be surprised if all of the nice power user features that are/have been removed, will come back behind an additional paywall, probably subscription, because that's the dystopian future we live in because of course it is.

[@toretronio9030]

Beyond Good & Evil background and the actual game box in the background I think I found a really neat place! (Wish that the second game can finally happen)

[@gj1714]

Man, taking away features/options, especially when it comes to customisation, has been SO MUCH W11's MO since day one. Combining and labeling taskbar shortcuts? Options that have been around since- 95, unless I'm mistaken? Yeah, that was gone day 1 if you remember. I'd argue many of the apps like Start11 are where they are now because of this exact type of idiocy of MS. Taskbar menu also completely gone, along with drag-and-drop into running programs. Same goes for pinning things to Start. They made a separate "smart" recommendation section, but right clicking on pinned shortcuts there? No more accessing that app's MRU list to directly open a file from there (even though the same thing works from the all apps list - which, btw, who had the bright idea to move THAT button all the way to the top right of that ginormous Start window?!)... I used to have Windows Update pinned to there, but in 11, that can't be done - hey, at least Network is a pinnable "folder", apparently (lol). Or the Downloads folder (er, the Downloads folder template, defined and appearing in ten billion separate places) being forcibly grouped by date - who the hell thought THAT was a good idea?! And this is where I'd argue telemetry ain't worth jack. They claimed all these changes were made based on telemetry data, and yet they were forced to spend YEARS (imagine that, a giant like MS needs years to do this) to put stuff like uncombine+label shortcuts back in, because the hate for the change they made was that bad. Discontinuing the snappy, lightweight Calendar+Mail apps to replace it with the "new" Outlook, which is basically just a window with the webpage, and you can't even directly launch Calendar anymore? Nobody asked for that, it's only so that they push more ads. In the OS we paid for, like you said. Hell, they force people to use a Microsoft account - but then it can't even keep you logged in, I notice the login warning in Edge all the time, Xbox and MS websites want me to log in all the time (account management, Office, OneDrive, etc), yes, despite the setting to actually have that done automagically.... and hell, in so many places, it fails to even display my profile picture, even though it's safely saved in my account. They claim all these changes are for security, but that goes right out the window (pun not intended) if you read up on how many security issues W11 has had in its few years so far. They claim it's for "ease of use" or whatever stupid PR spin they put on that, but then it's exactly the basic everyday usage that drives me up the wall due to how illogical it is and how many extra mousing around I need to do. (Let's not even mention setting default apps....) It's like the entire dev team was replaced with a bunch of newborns who've never even seen, much less used, any version of Windows at all in the past, what, four decades now? Absolutely incredible - that part the most where they already committed most of this same crap with W8 just a few years ago and had to backtrack all of it because it was such a hot mess. It's like they learned absolutely nothing at all. Identity crisis? Maybe, but I'd say it's just the symptom of a lack of direction. How widespread touchscreen devices with Windows are at all? I've no idea, from where I am it's more a niche than anything else. But MS wants that too. And who knows what else. The fact that they once again fail to realise that the "one size fits all" mentality doesn't work is just bloody unbelievable... especially considering the vast amount of telemetry they supposedly have! Sorry for the long rant, I guess you could say I was triggered by all the perfect points you brought up. 🙇🏻‍♂

[@HelloKittyFanMan]

The first time I saw the Active Desktop, that's because it came on 98 and I don't remember ever seeing it on 95. How did it ever come with 95 if they designed it for 98?

[@emem666]

1. For many years since 16:9 and 16:10 LCD screens became common I started to move taskbar to the left side of the screen. When Windows 11 disabled that option I told to myself that I won't be using unofficial hacks as this is something that I expect from OS. Now that they fight with them I'm even more upset with it. I tested W11 for few days and then I went back to W10 as I didn't saw any advantage in new version. I will rather move to Linux full time than being forced to use taskbar at the bottom. 2. Microsoft don't listen and Microsoft don't care. Windows is not important to them as they get money from different products like Azure, XBox, CoPilot and so on. Tiny little changes take years because there's almost nobody working on it. And people who work there change every few years with new trendy unfinished ideas they bring. Look - only cool feature of Windows 11 was Android Subsystem and now it's gone.

[@seanys]

Now that W11 doesn’t allow the Taskbar to be moved to the left hand side, I will never upgrade to it.

[@seapanda-117]

“Windows 11 is trash! Don’t forget to activate! Gotta have Pro Trash!”😂

[@jaifarrell]

The main reason I'm stuck with Windows is drivers. When you're using pro audio gear (or any kind of specialised hardware) you have to go with whatever OSs the manufacturer writes drivers for.

[@orange11squares]

i'm sure you can use win 10 or win 7 easily.

[@RegazozoGaming]

I build gaming PCs and sell them locally and I’ve had about 3 dozen show back up because of this latest windows 11 patch. Whatever they are changing is breaking framework compatibility, some games will run while others will bsod. All I can currently do is revert these back to 10. If they can’t even keep basic functionality between patches I’m afraid what will happen if they try and accommodate requests like this.

[@electricpaper269]

MS just needs different GUIs for tablet and PC. Why force the same one on both? Just makes both worse.

[@IAmStillNotMatthew]

I love how ever since the latest update causing games to crash for me causing me to look towards Linux as an alternative in case a clean install and upgrade to W11 doesn't help I've been getting "Linux good, Windows shit" and "I've used Linux for X time" videos lol Windows 11 is fine for now on 23H2, however, I'm most certainly going to put Mint on my laptop, it supports Hungarian, I can do fine with English OSes if the language layout works in my language, but for my mother it needs to be in Hungarian. I love how in the middle of writing this I got a crash and learnt that I have corrupted files.. on a fresh Windows 11 install. People are moving to Linux, game companies will realize that Linux is becoming more and more popular and sooner or later we might have Linux beeing the "native" OS for games while business and such will stay on Windows.

[@Matty_B717]

I've tried Linux three times on different Distros. Each time I went back to Windows. I don't understand the love it gets.

[@BlueEyedVibeChecker]

Gonna be honest, Windows 8 was never a bad OS, as in, it was stable, fast, easy to use and not buggy. But I disliked it purely for aesthetic reasons; such as the forced full screen menu and lack of a desktop. In hindsight, it was one of the best OSes from Microsoft despite my sheer dislike for it. If I could have it back, with the inclusion of a desktop and non-full screen menu of course, then I'd do so in a heartbeat.

[@dasunguy]

19:06 Technically they didn't remove it. They replaced the entire window chrome and didn't reimplement the drag and drop. Same for the taskbar. They salvaged it from the cancelled Windows 10X with bare minimum of features.

[@HedgehogY2K]

Didn't Windows 10 make itself free so that activation keys wouldn't be a thing anymore???

[@TheLombudXa]

Dude, you're using a preview build of it. The tooltip even says that it "should" let you move the file to the different folder. So, as with many preview builds, there are lots of issues. I use preview builds to check whether our apps still run and to see what we have to update in case there is something we have to. It's why it's a preview. This usually doesn't work without any bugs and other issues. But yes, I agree that Microsoft should be way more customizable and I can see that Linux is getting much better there. But still, Linux lacks so many things for certain users, it's still not a choice and won't be for many years to come. It's been around for decades and actually dropped hard when it comes to market shares due to Apple and Android mostly. Also, there are some cool new features in the upcoming 24h2 too. Too bad you didn't mention those.

[@kennethmadsen6474]

Having used Windows on my daily driver computers for over 20 years, I ditched it 2,5 years ago - and it has been joyous. I totally agree with you, that the annoyances just keep getting more and more.

[@MichaelW1980randoms]

To be honest, if it wasn’t for all the software in my current use, that’s not (or only very limited) going to work under Linux, I probably would have made the switch to Linux a long time ago. I usually don’t mind the interface changes too much, but I see where you’re coming from. The continued loss of power features of Windows Vanilla IS a serious issue.

[@suinsarbayev2191]

If it wasn't for some games i play that has anti-cheats not functional in linux systems, i wouldn't dual boot windows at all

[@Jeizar]

I feel you, i left windows not because alternative was more appealing but because microsoft pushed me away. I've been happily using windows since 3.11, annoyed by several version of windows but nothing that bad . Then I had a big streak of issues several years ago where i had to fully reinstall windows 10 on several friends and coworker machines and even on mine twice the same year, loosing complete week-end to be operational on monday. My last reinstall, an issue appeared the day after i installed a fresh windows, it was nothing serious, the images / musics /document shortcuts were broken and i could'nt find a way to fix that really simple issue, it was the straw that broke the camel back. I spent lots of effort to improve my knowlege on linux (that i already had on an older portable computer before ) and progressively spent more time on my linux partition until i heard about virtual machine and GPU passthrough. Then i could just use a VM to keep a small windows to use the windows-only work software and i can just back up and restore the image everytime an update break something without spending hours of backup. I've been the happyest on my computer since then, and seeing everyting that microsoft does with telemetry, changing ui , pushing useless crap and ads, I never looked back . All they had to do is not remove things that worked and replacing them with bugs and garbage.

[@Jah_Rastafari_ORIG]

The main thing that still tethers me to Windows (-whichever) is two-way radio programming software; the oldest of which still requires real mode DOS and physical serial ports. Some of this has been handled (slowwwley); some slightly newer radios require me to run 32 bit Windows in a VM. I expect I'll end up putting 64 bit Windows (air-gapped) in a VM on Debian here eventually for the newest stuff. Some of the newer Kenwood radios MUST phone home to authenticate the software so those are likely on the chopping block (unless someone hacks the license to not need to phone home). The point I'm making is that I'll be bailing Windows at the first opportunity.

[@StephenBrown-tr3tq]

I agree with you 100%, I have upgraded every time since Windows 2000 so have a good selection of old software that does works in Windows 11 but will not install ,only found out after having a problem with Adobe Premiere Elements 11 , I tried to reinstall it But after 21H2 I was unable to install any of my old programs. I found the only way was to start again from Windows 7 installing my old software then upgrading to 10 and then 11. This is a pain as I prayed good money for my software

[@bramvandenbroeck5060]

Windows 10 LTSC IoT has support until 2032 . . . I stay on that version for the time being! I don't want or have any need for windows 11, i think 11 is the new ME, Mistake Edition!

[@kyoujinko]

"Dur I turnz off da telemetry" Sure buddy Microsoft isn't listening 🤣

[@realraven2000]

19:02 you don't need w11 for tabs in explorer, just install Groupy. For changing the GUI is still run WindowBlinds in W10. I think all this stuff is from Stardock

[@nervaproject]

I've been having a pretty good time on Ubuntu Linux so far with Steam's Proton (just trying out Linux for the first time). Most Windows games seem to "just work" with no tinkering required. Windows is such an annoying, intrusive, and privacy-invading OS. Steam did a great job turning Linux into a gaming OS.

[@kryzethx]

Eeech, thank you for convincing me that staying away from Windows 11 was the best decision I have ever made. Does it even have *any* feature or advantage over Windows 10? Hopefully I can keep using Windows 10 until they come out with Windows 12, that continues the pattern of good Windows -> bad Windows -> good Windows releases

[@daspec]

The only 2 things stopping Linux from taking over is the crappy closed source GPU drivers and the major design apps like from Adobe, Autodesk, etc. It is 100% possible to create a powerful ARM based workstation running professional apps on Unix as Apple already does

[@MrFluidsworld]

Thank you for the video. You are so right. No taskbar on the top anymore... WHY? Why is it not possible to move a program over the taskbar? Windows is getting worse every new version :(

[@firerainnzz]

Windows 11 for me was so buggy, got so bad it wasn’t detecting my drives so I decided to go back to windows 10 and now I just get a bunch of errors with windows update and I can ignore them, but all my drives show up 😅

[@wtflolomg]

Quicklaunch. I still pin tasks, but only the apps that are ALWAYS opened. Quicklaunch toolbar is for those apps I open often, but they don't stay open. Microsoft has buried it, and I'm guessing it's gone in 24H2 :(

[@KanadGodse]

24:29 True that! The mobile UI designers ruined the desktop OS!

[@SpaceCadet4Jesus]

Microsoft had the bright idea that they were going to share UI between the desktop and a mobile device. So they would develop hardware like the Windows tablet which was an abysmal failure. On the mobile front, Microsoft will never upset Google's and Apple's hold. Microsoft should just continue to focus on desktop, cloud and server operating system. Thankfully enough people screamed bloody murder about the tile interface that it was finally removed. Whoever sold them on the idea of a tile interface that could be shared between the mobile and the desktop environment probably made a quick million but I think Microsoft should sue them and get that million back.

[@testaccount-kv4nw]

I do NOT want to update all the BLOATWARE that just adds security issues and fills up my SSD! Why do we have to pay with capacity and bandwidth to support all this crap we do not want??

[@FBHSswimmer2006]

I would love to see Windows with the KDE Plasma UI. And add the file manager that we want like Dolphin or Nemo. Won’t ever happen, but it would be cool.

[@TotMannsFete]

No offense, but you might want to brush up on the difference between window managers and desktop environments - saying Linux has Windows Managers and then listing Budgie, XFCE etc. is misleading and might get new users confused... Also, as others pointed out, NT is the kernel, not the 'graphical user interface'.

[@SpringySpring04]

Your comment on FL Studio made my heart sink; I'm seriously considering switching to Linux but doing some research shows that FL Studio doesn't have a native Linux installation, and software plugins for FL Studio wouldn't work either. As a hobbyist musician this is terrible news for me, since I really love FL Studio and Linux. Very sad that we can't get them together

[@javabeanz8549]

45 seconds into the video, and the point about the managers is great. And I will have to agree about Windows 7, at least Pro SP1 was pretty usable. But, XP Pro SP3 was more stable, especially in the networking area. Windows 10 was an improvement over 8, but never came up to the level of 7 SP1. I used Windows 7 Pro for a bit, mostly for repairing other Windows systems, but I switched mainly to Linux and OS X back in 2006. OS X went to crap with Lion. As to my comment about Windows 7 Pro and networking, we had a beast of a machine at the ISP I worked for, it monitored all of our switches, backbone, APs and some customer premise equipment, and when you would reboot the machine, it would scramble the net masks on the network interfaces, and you had to go back into each one and correct it, so updating and rebooting that machine was something that was a chore. Before it was upgraded to 7 from XP Pro SP3, we never had that problem.

[@floycewhite6991]

Years ago I heard rumors that a Windows 12 was being made. 11 was always a stop-gap to deal with Intel efficiency cores.

[@KrisRogos]

The change from 8 to 8.1 and to 10 showed that MS understand their users and returned or made better features the "power users" wanted. It feels like different people are in charge now and don't care about supporting these workflows.

[@TheTytan007]

Windows NT isn't the graphical interface. It's THE operating system. Windows GUI is called Windows Shell and it's been rewritten multiple times before The identity crisis of Windows is caused by constant changes in Windows leadership. What you see now isn't that though. It's them getting serious about modernising the OS and the do that in the scorch earth style. However, after recent changes some Microsoft people said that they don't like how Windows 11 UI ended up and want some changes. Microsoft is removing legacy GUI components hence they block Explorer Patcher which works by enabling these components. Even now if you reenable Windows 10 legacy taskbar in 24H2 then it won't display correctly anymore because it will lack the system tray Start11 is basically its own GUI shell like Cairo A lot of lacking features like in File Explorer are results of them being rewriting these apps in newer APIs. They didn't remove those features on purpose

[@mikkomuukka1755]

I wish Microsoft would offer bare bones versions which would not have all the unneeded privacy compromising and bloating stuff regular Windowses come with.

[@xeridea]

In some sense MS has been catering to power users such as WSL, but in many other ways, they are trying as hard as humanly possible to drive them a way with fiery pitchforks.

[@Vatharian]

Fun fact: there used to be many window managers for Windows! Like Litestep! or 3Dc! There was even a project to bring KDE natively to Windows at some point. It's all gone now. I do so many things on Linux, I use Windows for games that can't run under Linux because of anticheats. But I do most things in text terminal... :( Also unpopular opinion: Windows 8.1 was WAY better than Windows 7, except start menu. Why? Responsiveness. Windows 8 has been written with system and UI responsiveness in mind, specifically because it was meant to run on ultra-low end devices.

[@malificent]

Unrelated question but where did you get that black denim jacket? Looks sick

[@marshallwilensky7932]

I have that same Lego pirate ship set.

[@natbarmore]

1:02 I love that analogy! Mind you, I find Windows 7 and Windows 10 more in the “bad manager” side of the spectrum, intervening too much. The biggest example that comes to mind right now is stealing focus. Except for alerts that I need to respond to, like security warnings or needing a password [as opposed to notifications that I can choose to ignore], the OS should _never_ move my focus to a different window or control, or put another window in front of where I’m working. Windows 10 does it all the time. Probably the one that bugs me the most is when I launch an application and then switch back to whatever I was working on while the new one opens. And that new one opens a window in front of what I’m trying to do. So I switch back to my current task, and when the launching application spawns another new window, it opens in front of what I’m working on. I switch back to my current task, and a few seconds later the launching application spawns yet another window that opens in front of what I’m doing. The OS should know that I backgrounded the launching application, and therefore keep any other windows it spawns or subprocesses it launches also in the background. macOS understands this. At least some Linux shells/DEs understand this.

[@LexyDaShmexxy]

i'm gonna be stranded on windows for the reason that i want to play PCVR and the problems with VR on linux is locking me into windows and leaving me with no choice but to stay on windows for my main system and linux for everything else, my main rig is full AMD so i won't have issues with installing drivers BUT VR will always be an issue

[@spc3461]

Im sticking to windows whatever anyone says ylu cant play games on linux i tried linus many times but still i came back to windows because the programs i require to run doesn't run in linux thsy easily like photoshop or premiere pro there's a big learning process involves for that and those programs dont work on linux.