Telegram Will Never Be The Same

In this video I discuss how Telegram updated their privacy policy to state that they will comply with law enforcement request for suspects of illegal activity and send them the suspects IP address and phone number if the request is valid.
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[@RezaQin]

The slippery slope gets wetter...

[@Log4Jake]

fr

[@mickmoon6887]

Slippery slope is not fallacy its reality

[@griffy07]

Svaboda

[@relo999]

You mean the waterslide?

[@shadowwodahs5489]

oh i thought at this point they were just dumping all the oil on it

[@kuchesezik]

the "think of the children" argument never gets old

[@Mika-ph6ku]

"think of the children!!!1!1!" -child diddler

[@robotron1236]

Yeah, I'm so tired of that argument. The things they want to ban, using that excuse, have virtually nothing to do with children and EVERYTHING to do with consolidating power.

[@dimitrisolejak26]

Morons people thiss Eppstein Shit aint ever get solved but yeah have to disrupt some dope Dealers on telegram

[@Archer690Channel]

oh yeah they sure do be thinking about children

[@LittIeNova]

Epstein and Marc Dutroux! EU scum is responsible for a ring that committed crimes much worse than what you'll find in medieval times.

[@carroton]

Time to go back to carrier pigeons

[@PalestineHomunculi]

IPoAC

[@Jimmy_Jones]

Drone interception incoming

[@pajeetsingh]

Pagers?

[@paquimex]

Governments: Oy Oy! you can't have pigeons without a loicense

[@vonweiss7149]

Pigeons are gov made......

[@evilleader1991]

I love Google's data center videos where they show you how many layers of security there are protecting your data before they sell it off.

[@axethepenguin]

LOL

[@JyotiJyotiJyotiJyotiJyoti]

😂

[@disbelief3911]

You gotta protect your investment.

[@nikolajkapa2283]

🎉🎉🎉🎉🎉🎉😂😂😂😂😂

[@One.manuel]

Lmfao

[@joyphobic]

Those French glowies are something else, I tell you

[@pajeetsingh]

They housed Roman Polanski and Epstein, should tell you about their nature.

[@Peglegkickboxer]

People forget that Europeans do not have the same freedoms that Americans do. European governments pretend to believe in liberty, yet they don't have a constitution like the US does. The same goes for Canada and Australia.

[@Snufflepuffy]

funny how people are saying glowie, not that i care at all but did you know glowie is 4chan slang term for black person.

[@yungsneed8449]

@@Snufflepuffy wrong also who the fuck cares

[@MackBananas]

@@Snufflepuffy Glowie is a joke term to refer undercover law enforcement agents on the internet that are so obvious, that they may as well glow in the dark

[@LunarWolf-H8]

They managed to break him. They literally won't give us peace as long as one of us exists.

[@sanasananee]

Break him? every picture I've seen of him in France makes it look like he's there on vacation.

[@LunarWolf-H8]

​@@sanasananee after arrest. They sure made a deal.

[@mevolander8478]

"us" being what? zoosadist or pedophile?

[@bolle666]

Us Reptiloids have it tough.

[@FVBmovies]

Breaking a billionaire with top lawyers? Please.

[@connertomaterhater6691]

Cant have shit nowadays.

[@angryox3102]

Privacy doesn’t exist.

[@GeorgeWashingtonLaserMusket]

@@angryox3102 Telegram was never privacy based.

[@etronpatapon183]

Why do you all claim that it is a bad decision ? Can someone please describe me examples of precise cases where this judtice would be bad in average ?

[@tslim250]

@@etronpatapon183 if you don't know the answer to that then you are part of the problem.

[@PabloRodriguez-dy7cy]

@@etronpatapon183 because it can be use to prosecute people for political reasons

[@dominicperez3777]

Rest in Peace, Telegram. The government f'd you over.

[@cristianmolina6954]

To be fair, people did as well, criminals and governments (which are the biggest criminals), irresponsible users, I understand is an excuse for government to remove privacy and control but it needs some regulations because it gets out of control, like everything in life

[@NicitoStaAna]

I am extremely libertarian. But the things I see on telegram just on the surface level. Is so disgusting, regulating/spying on those "people" is a MUST.

[@DrSpaceman42]

@@NicitoStaAna yup, unfortunately

[@dominicperez3777]

@@NicitoStaAna Those criminals gotta ruin everything for the rest of us >:(

[@NicitoStaAna]

@@dominicperez3777 It made me realize, that spying can sometimes be necessary. (It should have an acceptable/reasonable rules) I understand it's a slippery slope. Being too free/unregulated invites crimes that no sane libertarian would support. For instance, Discord can detect PDF pics. They literally scan for signs of CP on the pics you sent (this is public information). I'm 100% sure telegram doesn't do this cuz I saw em, reported them, only to see the account is still active to this day (I reported them almost a year by now) It can be done, to scan and stop crime while being free from potential tyranny. (I have experience in Data analysis/Neural Networks)

[@thekivster]

They will abuse the shit out of this

[@2d4e]

The raids are gonna be out of control

[@Serjo777]

Use it as intended you mean. The "abuse" part is inherent in these kinds of laws.

[@varietychan]

So, basically. The creator was builled into handing over your data. But also, I hate how it has the reputation of being a criminal app. Telegram is much better than Discord imo

[@andrewreynolds912]

It is even tho I trust dis'cord than most so'cial me'dia apps telegram takes the cake

[@andrewreynolds912]

Yea I tru'st dis'cord bec'ause it's better th'an (sorry yt ha'tes me using ' to pre'vent take do'wn by Yt) most me'dia a'pps but teleg'ram takes the cake

[@dumbuz]

Telegram had a feature that was very easily abused, where you could see other people and groups based off your location. Where I was, about 1 in 5 of the people were actually legitimate, and almost none of the groups were. I am guessing this is a big reason as to why Telegram has that reputation.

[@zxqhyr]

it's mainly because alot of scams consist of the scammer telling you to "join their telegram group" (i actually don't know why telegram over any other platform). discord also has it's fair share of criminal activity, and it's recognized though not by every and not in the same scale as telegram. also the creator wasn't "bullied" into handing over potentially helpful data, he was legally forced, which is a good thing. atleast that will reduce the amount of scams in the app (atleast i believe it will, i don't use telegram and i don't really know anyone who does).

[@perguto]

That "reputation" is just mass media propaganda against them. Watch how the narrative will now switch to "dangerous criminals on Signal".

[@greeneyedcat10110]

You knew this eventually had to happen to Telegram...

[@angryox3102]

It was a question of when, not if.

[@isaack5601]

agreed

[@highpraise-highcritic]

@@angryox3102brilliant recap of an already short comment ...

[@rh906]

Its going to happen to the entire internet. The return to serfdom is upon us.

[@highpraise-highcritic]

@@rh906Going to? Everyone accepted the infrastructure years ago. You'll learn about it, but it's already in place.

[@liamholcroft7212]

If you have to enter personal data, name phone no. etc... don't consider it safe

[@ThomasBrenton-pk8gg]

You never have to. Put a different name. Use a burner number.

[@genxjack72]

I never understood why people thought telegram was safe or private. I can't use it, though I would like to, because you need a smartphone with their app installed to log in. I gave them my full name, and my real phone number, but that still isn't enough because I don't own a smartphone.

[@UberFoX]

Session!

[@Akac3sh]

This is modern cyber criminal law

[@biozeek]

session is a honeypot ​@@UberFoX

[@Barni2212]

Only if you are a "criminal" which is funny because "criminal" is a perspective thing nowadays. If you are in the UK you are a criminal if you share memes or speaks bad things about the protected people.

[@naejimba]

lol to "protect the children" we have to give all of our information to the agencies who run the rings that sell said children. XD

[@grishakek]

in 8.3. it says if you’re a suspect in a case involving criminal shit activities *that* violate the Telegram Tos I think a lot of gov requests will be still declined

[@ghoulbuster1]

You become a criminal the moment you oppose Isreal

[@wrongthinker843]

Criminal = doesn't praise the state at least 2 times a day.

[@StarmenRock]

Out of all things you're complaining about slurs? Guess someone keeps getting in hot water

[@BB-848-VAC]

Do we categorize this as an opsec slip up on his end because his GF is an "influencer" who posted everywhere she went with him??

[@salpertia]

💀

[@MoreEvilThanYahweh]

Is it though? Unless he was traveling under an assumed identity, the French would have access to the passenger manifest, etc. On top of all the other methods of surveillance.

[@DesertJoe]

No, we categorize this as a hack/breach. The threat actor kidnaps him and points a gun to his head. I'm seeing this like a brute force attack (metaphorically speaking).

[@latt.qcd9221]

This is why you always use a burner GF.

[@hhkk6155]

It's a Hole ⛳ in security 😂

[@apollo7557]

Lord forbid a messenger is truly private for better or for worse, why don't we arrest mayor's for the crimes committed in their cities then?

[@tactknightgaming2066]

It's called being a vigilante. Nobody has the balls to do it especially in Weimerica.

[@toya_senpai2470]

@@tactknightgaming2066 Weimerica™

[@wrongthinker843]

Because they made it law they don't take personal responsibility.

[@salsamancer]

I don't know where you live but every mayor I've heard of definitely complies with police and intelligence agencies

[@RizzY_RUS]

So true protobean

[@gyrgamer8936]

sad day for privacy

[@rh906]

Has been dead for quite some time. Why I don't act like my normal self on the internet, what's the point?

[@dkemil]

Use actual decentralized P2P encrypted apps like session or simplex if you want privacy.

[@ricardoamendoeira3800]

Actually it's a good day for privacy, it might actually get people off of Telegram and onto a real end to end encrypted chat application like Signal, instead of Telegram's "trust me bro, I'm a Russian dissident so even if I can hand over all your chat history stored on my servers I promise I won't".

[@ferl1zer]

Telegram hasn't been a private messenger for a long time lol, plus why do you need this privacy if everything about you is known on the Internet?

[@kn_halo]

Luke Smith warned us long ago

[@zaadbaad541]

They should remove the number requirement.

[@lmnk]

I kinda understand why they do it. But I wish they at least made "anonymous" number cheaper and available with more cryptocurrencies

[@JorgeLopez-qj8pu]

@@lmnk How would the gov turn a profit if they made the "anonymous" number any cheaper? 🤣

[@PushingFriend28]

Is That lum

[@lmnk]

@@JorgeLopez-qj8pu what "gov"? If anything, for the price of a cheapest anonymous number (which is around $60 rn) you can buy several dozens of single-use numbers from CIS countries, even though around one third of them will be already used...

[@lmnk]

@@JorgeLopez-qj8pu What "gov"? If anything, for the price of a cheapest anon number (which is around $60 rn) you can buy several dozens of single-use phone numbers from CIS countries, even though around a quarter to third of them will be already used.

[@Alice_Fumo]

Time to put more serious consideration into decentralized messaging apps.

[@sdjhgfkshfswdfhskljh3360]

Are there any useful examples? Most decentralized apps I saw used federation, which means they are susceptible for censorship. Only example of messenger without federation I know about have very little users and almost no developers.

[@imgladnotu9527]

time to self-host irc l0l

[@bbertsamson8118]

@@sdjhgfkshfswdfhskljh3360 Federation? quesaco?

[@LiborTinka]

or PGP ... or steganography

[@Alice_Fumo]

@@sdjhgfkshfswdfhskljh3360 I'd go for matrix chat and I don't see federation as an issue. Censorship can happen on a server level by server owners, but 'tis but a bit of moderation. Don't like it, host your own or switch servers.

[@MikeZeroX]

*Thankfully I have nothing to hide.* **stares directly into the camera**

[@waryth4475]

Smile 😊 say cheese

[@JorgeLopez-qj8pu]

With my pants down! 🤪

[@38forger]

im so tired man

[@BurgerKingHarkinian]

Go to bed

[@TheKeule33]

that's their game and you are giving them the win.

[@robertkeaney9905]

This is why I deliver my private messages by horse mounted rider, as the founding fathers intended

[@funicon3689]

just stop doing things. stop caring. lay flat.

[@moh.syafrianabie8899]

​@@funicon3689That's exactly what they want lol

[@SoulClubCoffee]

they probably threatened him with the Ross Ulbricht treatment

[@Mika-ph6ku]

Come clean or Epstein

[@highpraise-highcritic]

I mean France specifically is dealing with mass foreign influence centered around Telegram .. so probably.

[@xyz5413]

unironically based hollly.

[@kjullthedemon]

I unironically find it terrifying this is most likely true. That is actually a scary thought, that he most likely was either tortured, or threatened with fake suicide. And he know it'd work for them, too. Since literally no one questions these suicides or sudden TBs of CP on people's HD's

[@derpysean1072]

It is so nice that a messaging app is considered "dangerous" . Do not talk without being governed !

[@Saphintosh]

I'm so embarrassed for what my alleged country did against privacy.

[@H96-d6j]

@@mileage43 Watch the video.

[@LaughingMan44]

Alleged country?

[@baribari1000]

primer sub :D

[@mileage43]

@@H96-d6j too bad that somebody or something keeps deleting my reply, but telegram is not about that. You're delusional if you think it is

[@Saphintosh]

@@LaughingMan44 I'm not even able to relate to it anymore

[@TheThreatenedSwan]

The law is whatever people can get away with

[@gps9715]

Not true. They'll make s up to retroactively charge you, so it doesn't matter if you got away with it. And it's just you. Not them.

[@TheThreatenedSwan]

@@gps9715 I mean it's whatever they enforce. If you're in the club, they let you get away with tons

[@wrongthinker843]

@@TheThreatenedSwan Like the entire Epstein clientelle

[@gps9715]

@@TheThreatenedSwan I was trying to extend your point even further, it didn't really come out right on my part. I completely agree with you.

[@TheThreatenedSwan]

@@gps9715 No problem

[@alekstired]

"Think of all the children that would be saved if I had total control over everybody's life"

[@VMUDream]

I used the people "nearby" feature to get this african woman to send me a picture with a shoe on her head, it will be missed

[@toshibe2805]

Excellent work

[@Lobonova]

Lucky

[@ghoulbuster1]

Classic troll

[@VTXHobbies]

Lmao

[@cptrelentless80085]

That’s legal ID

[@88Preacher]

THEY CAN'T KEEP GETTING AWAY WITH THIS!!

[@gps9715]

Your comment is the worst that will happen to the people doing this. Would you stop if that was the threat level?

[@Leo-sd3jt]

Are you talking about Telegram storing your data unencrypted?

[@88Preacher]

@@gps9715 what are u even talking about

[@thesilentgod7863]

Narrator: they kept getting away with it The whole system is rotten to the core. We need systemic change, nothing less will suffice

[@JorgeLopez-qj8pu]

YES THEY CAN!!! 😂😂😂

[@DarkLink606]

For more than ten years cryptographers have been bashing MTProto for its theoretical failures, "AES in IGE mode is unsafe" and so on and so forth. Durov's crew improved the protocol and made bug bounty program permanent; the alleged homemade, self-rolled and broken crypto remained unbroken... ...Until France decided that it would be easier to go for the infamous $5 (or €5?) wrench attack. The protocol wasn't the problem, after all. The single point of failure was Durov and Telegram administration. And f**ck the frog eaters!

[@Kynatosh]

Even still, only direct messages can be encrypted, and both users have to be logged in at the same time to proceed to the key exchange. So because Telegram consists almost only of groups, and because of the key exchange limitation, most messages are not encrypted at all

[@1KiloDepartment]

btw € comes after, not before like the $

[@dreamcore]

​@@1KiloDepartment Not in English, no, and this thread is in English.

[@1KiloDepartment]

​@@dreamcore Oh, my bad. i just now Googled this, and it seems like exceptions are made, but that is just gonna start arguments :P

[@dieselbaby]

@@Kynatosh well, obviously. That's the trade-off you have to make if you want an app that has things synced across devices for many people.

[@U.S.A.]

Who the fuck uses a service advertised as private that requires a phone number to register, it only would be private if they wouldn't ask for your phone number at all.

[@88Preacher]

Sigma SimpleX moment

[@hhkk6155]

Yup - very bad

[@ozziedegens]

u can simply use a temp number u can buy with crypto and use proxies and poof

[@w1z4rd9]

Technically it is Private, not Anonymous.

[@ThomasBrenton-pk8gg]

Is that why Sessions is better ?

[@TheThreatenedSwan]

Gotta get all those dissidents for wrong think

[@Nope_handlesaretrash]

This is what it's for. British tyranny, NATO wants access to the pro Russian discussions, etc. They don't give a rats ass about muh criminals

[@ALaz502]

@@TheThreatenedSwan fuck neonazis.

[@Behzey2fly]

Being a suspect, does not make you a criminal and it don’t justify disclosure.

[@mind-of-neo]

Requiring a phone number for sign up is a not-so-subtle way of saying "if you're not paying for one of these spyware devices, you're not welcome here". Perfect example of corpofascism.

[@hwfq34fajw9foiffawdiufhuaiwfhw]

phone number / credit card are verification the simplest ways to make sure people are not bots and not making multiple accounts As simple as that

[@xninja2369]

​@@hwfq34fajw9foiffawdiufhuaiwfhw not everyone has credit card including me , email is better option , you can change your region , ip etc ..

[@635574]

But phone nunbets are evem less secure tham email, tons of influencets get social engineered out of their number you dont even require the paid shit exploits that governments use like veritaseum showed few days ago.

[@wherewiiwentwrong]

Literally juat use a burner number. It accepted those.

[@bobweissenberg9700]

Any tool made to have true freedom and true privacy will always be one that is open to be abused by criminals, and I don't think that will ever change.

[@DxBlack]

It's not abuse; a ballroom with the lights off allows groping, don't shut the ballroom down for everyone else dancing with their hands in their pockets. Highways are used by drug-runners, no one claims they're being abused.

[@Anon-nd1ek]

Telegram gets all the stops pulled and interrogation of its founder, while Signal's President can walk around without any issues in Belgium and France. REALLY MAKES YOU THINK

[@pepelexa5950]

Yeah I was curious about this

[@Eichro]

Signal's not popular enough yet. Telegram is second only to Whatsapp I believe.

[@ElijahSmith-b5b]

​@@Eichro You have to take into account that there was a shit ton of bots on telegram as part of dark syndicates. Anon is right. Signal has never been as secure as telegram.

[@morgenholz7937]

Signal doesn't have anything to share, since it's encrypted fully. Telegram has the info, they just refused to share it

[@JoubaMety]

Signal complies with all law enforcement, unlike Telegram deliberately ignoring other countries other than Saudi Arabia. Signal also doesn't see your messages, unlike Telegram.

[@philospeakNOW]

More slippery than a P Diddy party!

[@ilmilles6232]

@mrkeepitsimple

[@foetusdeletus6313]

All because mossad got sloppy

[@eee-v9l]

Signal , don't leave me now...

[@gtvwill]

Lol yeah signal get that 5 eyes backdoor lad.

[@ainz2579]

no channels and bots

[@JacobBrown-pc2bd]

Sure thing bro

[@PGP_TO]

​@@gtvwillany evidence or examples which you can provide?

[@TheKeule33]

​@@gtvwillSource?

[@Ramash440]

Some people justify and defend this because "It only targets criminals! Just don't commit crimes and you won't be targeted!". Last month I technically became a criminal by using Twitter lol.

[@highpraise-highcritic]

Hardly anyone is arguing that here .. know your audience.

[@Ramash440]

@@highpraise-highcritic Good thing I never said those people are here, don't you think?

[@highpraise-highcritic]

@@Ramash440Who are you talking to then? We all now this here ... know your audience. We both think. You're thinking less.

[@Ramash440]

@@highpraise-highcritic You never talk about things that aren't in your immediate vicinity? Ever? Surely you jest.

[@highpraise-highcritic]

@@Ramash440 I do .. but you are missing the part about know your audience. Cheers, have a good one ( sincerely ) and let's part ways on this- we'll never agree.

[@Guarrow]

Yeah I hate how it's my country who did this. I don't really understand why. Fuck that, nobody here agrees with that shit and yet it happens, something's broken

[@thesilentgod7863]

It’s not broken, system is working as intended. You just naively assumed that it was meant to serve you and the people.

[@reallyryan_]

Cry about it

[@kn_halo]

Keep digging...

[@aperson9950]

@@reallyryan_ why so mean bro

[@Guarrow]

@@thesilentgod7863 I didn't mean that the system was broken, rather how people aren't even doing shit. I've yet to see anyone being content with their government. At that point I'm just getting more cynical than ever, I used to not blame people for whatever president would be elected but now I don't see why I shouldn't

[@Keirnoth]

god i hate the EU so much

[@yassinashraf1235]

Actually I was on there side for sometime, now looking back on it , man they made somethings worse

[@etronpatapon183]

Can you please develop ?

[@pkemr4]

its a double edged sword

[@Kokurorokuko]

US does the same thing but not publicly

[@jigneshganja]

eh some things better, some things worse. really not worse or better than the US

[@cobbcoding]

chat are we cooked

[@highpraise-highcritic]

you've been roasting for a while .. it's just at a level the advanced dum-dum can grasp.

[@penvegan]

L

[@dudewithgreenhat]

Say goodbye to those Chinese dissidents on telegram

[@emiliovicente7138]

May be they gonna have best luck in UK, oh no, UK also forbid critize the goverment

[@AhmadNasriya]

That's basically a privacy violation. Even governments shouldn't have a permit to your data. Privacy is holy. I'm uninstalling Telegram

[@dsgg5714]

All story behind Telegram is a fake story for dumbies. They (Russia and Telegram) cooperate and collect all data on their servers (hoping to get some interesting data from politicians etc) Telegram never was for privacy, lol. Guys, educate yourself please! Using phone numbers for app installed on yr computer, Not supporting full e2ee, all data goes through Telegram servers, closed servers! Come on guys...

[@buckbreaker5185]

They took down the Buck Breaking channel and I lost terabytes of my previous exploits

[@JacobBrown-pc2bd]

F

[@holyX]

What in the world is a Buck Breaking channel??

[@electron6825]

Yo what

[@LarsV62]

​@holyX Buck breaking, according to multiple websites (offensive term, not to be confused with "breaking the buck"): the physical and sexual abuse of (predominantly male) black slaves. Breaking the buck: when money-market fund goes below the value of one dollar per share. This second meaning is probably also what @buckbreaker5185 meant.

[@ghoulbuster1]

MY BUCKS!

[@perguto]

Element (FOSS client for the Matrix protocol) is a pretty good alternative IMO (albeit a bit slow)

[@hhkk6155]

Interesting

[@steveos6472]

Yeah except for the links to israeli intelligence.

[@ThePlayerOfGames]

​@@steveos6472send sources please

[@Horrormarked]

@@steveos6472 source?

[@EdwardWongHauPepeluTivruskyIV.]

signal too, no?

[@clray123]

The requirement to verify a phone number was why I've never created a Telegram account in the first place. Why would a service which claims to protect privacy ask for a phone number?

[@dreamcore]

spammer abatement

[@jec_ecart]

He basically got bullied into this. 😡

[@thesilentgod7863]

Ah good ol’ privacy, an unspeakable crime in the eyes of states, corporations, religious institutions, cults and the like

[@lanius1084]

well there is a conflict of interest there. 1 part of a states job is it to uphold justice. Now how are you gonna do that if you dont know what people are doing? You wouldnt want all those criminals to have a place where they can do what they want freely right?

[@brkbtjunkie]

So is ATT going to be arrested now when someone uses their cellular service to commit a crime? Verizon? I think not.

[@BggVgg-n8d]

Europa the last battle

[@ethans166]

Yes

[@jake1173]

Thats just a distraction from hunter bidens laptop

[@regency-t5w]

Europa the last taco

[@baileyharrison1030]

Bro just discovered bitchute 💀

[@Anton43218]

@@regency-t5w piss off huehue monster

[@Luzum]

Goodbye telegram, hello Session, Simplex, Element, XMPP

[@dsgg5714]

data in Telegram never were encrypted (only messages if u manually used an encrypted chat between 2), and all data goes first to Telegram servers, not directly e2e.

[@blitzkrieg2928]

Rip Telegram

[@_xord]

He should flee back to his homeland and step back on those changes

[@alexanded2383]

To Russia 😂😂😂

[@TheThreatenedSwan]

Russia has extremely strict hate speech laws. They have the same WWII founding myth as the West

[@gestucvolonor5069]

He is locked in france for at least 6 months. He has French and Emirates citizenship, can't flee as they can extradite and he would prob end up same in Russia.

[@Invizive]

He fled Russia specifically because he was threatened there for the same reason

[@TheThreatenedSwan]

@@_xord it has very strict hate speech laws

[@NorthernContrarian]

Telegram was always a honeypot. If it wasn't they would have made all encryption default, they never did that. They would not make group chats unencrypted and the same for channels.

[@mileage43]

Thank you for saying that!

[@evilleader1991]

Well smartass if you have encryption on by default then how will it be possible to have huge group chats with hundreds of thousands of members. Then what about synchronization across devices, there's a reason Signal is nowhere close to Telegram in terms of this functionality

[@nUrnxvmhTEuU]

Signal does have synchronization across devices, and the fact that Telegram doesn't on E2EE chats makes it unusable for private conversations for me.

[@NJ-wb1cz]

Encryption makes the majority of telegram's features impossible, including ones that they use to monetize the platform. How would they pay for millions or even billions of people chatting on their platform that they can't monetize?

[@kjullthedemon]

But it was clearly... Not a honeypot. Unless you think the creator of Telegram was always on the U.S side, and had planned from the start of Telegram, to give it over to the alphabet boys at this moment? It's possible he was bribed, it's also possible they used more... conservative glowie methods to give them the data. But it wasn't before NOW, that Telegram clearly states, they give the authorities your data now. And now that they're transparent about it, it's not a honeypot now either. So it never was one.

[@kevinmiller5467]

One of the best ways you can fight the government on their ridiculous behavior is to not log the data in the first place.

[@sen8078]

telegram bouttw lose 90% of users

[@ulfr-gunnarsson]

Likely not. 90% of users don't even know about, let alone encounter, all this deep, illlegal side of Telegram

[@dsgg5714]

idiots, who thought that Telegram were good for privacy xD Data in Telegram never was encrypted (only messages if u manually used an encrypted chat between 2), all data goes first to Telegram servers, not directly e2e.

[@shivadarling18]

I wonder how many criminals would actually be brought down by this operation?

[@dotnet9830]

At least 2

[@Surteronarto]

won't stop real criminals but will arrest people for wrong think

[@Hysteria98]

This comment leads with the assumption that it was for actual criminals in the first place, which these things almost never are.

[@wrongthinker843]

Exactly none.

[@shinyrayquaza9]

People who they could catch already if they tried 🙄

[@moormoor4281]

Thanking you most kindly from England

[@UnbihexiumTheStable]

Damn, I remember Durov being so principled about "freeze peach" when the Russians asked him to release chat logs pursuant to court orders. Staged a whole big protest with paper airplanes and started a whole shit show. Turns out all those silly slavs had to do was bring in a big hairy Pierre and make Durov put on the programmer socks and some baby oil and they could've gotten those encryption keys right quick directly through Durov's bussy

[@g3neration216]

that's an amazing way of putting it...

[@jebril]

I doubt Durov knows of a backdoor to their encryption protocol he didn’t make it, his brother did.

[@ThePlayerOfGames]

​@@jebrilDurov and his inner team have the keys to the kingdom. All group messages and normal direct messages including image URLs are visible to Durov, only explicitly created "end-to-end" chats are actually private on Telegram.

[@electron6825]

Sounds like it was all show while the Russians had a secret backdoor

[@deaddevil7]

There is no way the French didn't pressure him with something worse than the Russians. He already ran away from the Kremlin. What will he do? Run away from the "Western alliance"? There is no way this incident doesn't have US, UK, Australia, Canada, etc in the mix.

[@blantant]

Sacrifice your fredom for "le greater good". Same playbook...

[@darkstars-torpedoes-of-truth]

It's all to protect the children, don't you know that?

[@evilleader1991]

Imagine if Russia arrested him, you wouldn't hear the end of it about freedom of speech etc in the West

[@pro-hz7kx]

Free speech is just used as means of propaganda, there’s like no country on earth that would respect free speech fully if their security is threatened

[@fauxplants]

i mean france arrested him and they still did the whole "freedom of speech" spiel... remember, every country except america is a communist hellscape!

[@ShadowManceri]

In Russia he would be safe from legal actions. Only danger are those windows as everyone important falls off them by pure accidents.

[@highpraise-highcritic]

Is your brain busted? What do you think the entire comment section is on about?! Get out of here with that broken brain or propaganda ...

[@saarza9991]

Whataboutism

[@pajeetsingh]

The question is, did he agree to disclose and provide past logs of chats and IP addresses?

[@DMagician6]

Isn't it obvious? The feds own Telegram now

[@I_am_a_human_not_a_commodity]

If he didn't, they'd probably beat it out of him... and not in a good way.

[@Meokhongten33]

do you think he has a choice?

[@Chukwu_TC]

listen the past stuff all depends on if they actual delete "all traces of u" after u delete your account. now if they request and u didn't delete or they actual don't delete your account then ggs if they request your data. but if they do delete they will only have an IP and number everything else is poof. Hacker groups NEED TO LEAVE tho lol whatever exploits u had before might be ok if u deleted before any of these request come through but anything after hell no. If u was getting weed u might be kool because again they might get the ips but they might not get the logs.

[@joshuain2771]

If the group was deleted so is all the data

[@Mentalbox52]

This is exactly why I never got telegram. I do not trust platforms with my phone number. Period.

[@evilleader1991]

But you do trust Google, woweeee

[@highimwolf]

I agree but also sucks cause we need a good way to filter spam without telephone numbers

[@xninja2369]

This is nosense way to judge lol 😂 THERE IS NO SINGLE APP THAT WORKS WITHOUT PHONE NUMBER , signal , Google chat , whatsapp or twitter , ( except Facebook but THEY OFFICIALLY tell you that they are selling your data ) . Ans least thing 99.9% don't work without microsoft or Google account and you need number to create those account.. ans they are less concerned about sharing your data than telegram..

[@pyrofestimo]

but you trust your isp 😬

[@daa3417]

The ‘moderation group’ is going to be the ADL or at minimum trained by them.

[@highimwolf]

If anyone deserves to be spied upon it's the ADL, not to mention their government.

[@Bcap420]

Mossad was behind this 100%

[@SusanoRipper]

So that is how freeedom dies, with adbuction and torture

[@galjosephshayer]

Don't let the governments have control over your privacy.... please listen to this advice

[@sloap]

wonder what a valid order from law enforcement means? warrant, subpoena, request?

[@KT-pv3kl]

Given how other software companies have been cooperating with the powers that be probably a simple phonecall or email.

[@deaddevil7]

Depends on the country.

[@wrongthinker843]

"Obey or else"

[@AndroidsMusic]

​@@KT-pv3klCan't wait for this to be abused, just like those emails. There's been cases of people spoofing law enforcement and sending false requests and actually getting legal info.

[@radovansendekovic4198]

A hunch.

[@KindaGhostyy]

Remember, anything important enough to hide should be said face to face. No exceptions.

[@4849Cellar]

Don't forget to sweep for bugs and leave your phones behind

[@HiwasseeRiver]

Eventually all the apps will be LOE talking to LOE...for our safety of course and I applaud the good work they are doing...totally.

[@ColiteDominum]

Luke Smith completely vindicated.

[@the_galactic_pioneer]

" Path to hell is paved with good intentions "

[@gr0wnup5]

Sad Part is TG like every other platform, blocks most temporary numbers and such providers... Plus you need a commited line since you can only delete or recover accounts with number verification.

[@Ywthg5w6gwvyw]

They forced him

[@dsgg5714]

nobody who thinks about privacy uses Telegram, lol

[@vonweiss7149]

The feds now will know about the chinese cron and the neo-adolf groups that i visited? Cant have shite nowadays fr fr 🤯🤯😵‍💫

[@xninja2369]

Bro you do realise no one sh$t has time to see random people chat , you need official court order even to shre your ip & number let alone chat ..

[@vonweiss7149]

@@xninja2369 Go way glowie. People in the uk are literally getting arrested for protesting against Keir Statmer on INSTAGRAM and ur telling me they wont put people on alt-right and neo-adolf groups on a watchlist or even arrest them? Bs

[@choleralul]

You can have a Telegram accoount without a username

[@perc3136]

Telegram is filled with scammers , nobody actually selling shit 😂

[@TarasZakharchenko]

You talking like the Telegram was never disclosing user data to any secret service. That is not true. Nothing changed basically

[@thepeaceofbread9905]

Proof?

[@dsgg5714]

Russia and Telegram cooperate. They make fake stories that they are enemies, but the true is that they collect data from western politicians using Telegram. Data in Telegram never was encrypted (only messages if u manually used an encrypted chat between 2), all data goes first to Telegram servers, not directly e2e.

[@fraizie6815]

Most of the arguments in this comment section are either fallacies or outright incorrect.

[@snickle1980]

True. Mircia popescu is laughing somewhere.

[@dsgg5714]

All story behind Telegram is a fake story for dumbies. They (Russia and Telegram) cooperate and collect all data on their servers (hoping to get some interesting data from politicians etc) Telegram never was for privacy, lol. Guys, educate yourself please! Using phone numbers for app installed on yr computer, Not supporting full e2ee, all data goes through Telegram servers, closed servers! Come on guys...

[@bfgdoom]

most likely a europol operation not just the french government, either way telegram was poor in terms of encryption to the point where i'm pretty sure they could decrypt it or essentially back door

[@joseoncrack]

Yes it's likely an operation that may even have been triggered from the US, actually. As to Telegram, I had uninstalled it years ago - it was already known to be shaky in terms of real privacy and encryption. It may already have various backdoors.

[@MarkyZucky]

Wrong. They never gave over the encryption keys. They wered ordered to hand them over in march 2018... but after a month of not handing them keys over, russia bans the app in april 2018 due to them not complying.... know what your talking about before mispreading information...

[@VASKbrah]

@@joseoncrackwhat’s best now?

[@joseoncrack]

@@VASKbrah Best, I don't know. I had switched to Signal. It looks ok. But I can't guarantee it doesn't have backdoors either. If it were *that* safe, it would probably also be facing problems with authorities.

[@krmr]

"They never cooperate" was always a lie, they cooperated in Russia because their core developers never left Russia, they now will continue to cooperate with other governments. We don't even know what his agreement with the Emiratis was.

[@artyom7891]

One important thing to note. Telegram did cooperate with Russia.

[@Guru_1092]

HYPOTHETICALLY, if someone joined an illegal group without knowing what the group was, then noped out and left it immediately afterwards, does that mean the person is screwed? Hypothetically, of course.

[@phantomtr1]

of course. havent u seen the US has been picking videos online and gathering user data of all the users who watched it. if they do that, they def mark u down once u get into honeypot or watched groups I want to clarify, at least in the US, I dont think joining a group is a crime, regardless what the group does. Prosecuters need to gather evidence youre committing a crime, such as doing actualy criminal behavior. Ofc, with the patriot treasonous act, scratching ur nose can be illegal.

[@Guru_1092]

@@phantomtr1 Not sure I 100% understand. The hypothetical individual in question genuinely didn't want to be involved with illegal activities and left immediately. Still screwed?

[@ihatelols]

@@Guru_1092 Naah, you are fine.

[@purpleey]

Idk what your definition of screwed is but HYPOTHICALLY they would end up on a list where they would be kept track of until they slip up

[@Bund]

Unless that hypothetically made up person is important enough for Glowies to care the Feds probably wouldn’t make the effort to build a case, similar to how 90% of fraud forum users don’t get fucked even after a fed takeover

[@angryox3102]

They put the fear of god in Pavel. RIP Telegram.

[@UberFoX]

They put a Vrill in his eye.

[@wrongthinker843]

Fear of CIA torture*

[@p0werfu11]

​@@wrongthinker843all these alphabet boys think they're on God's side

[@mickmoon6887]

Simple chads have simple life

[@smashlee6181]

I don't even have a phone, that shit is for gooners

[@gr4tisfaction]

It's surprising that people thought it was safe at all, considering it requires a FUCKING PHONE NUMBER to register.

[@axethepenguin]

Again safe / private != anonymous

[@gr4tisfaction]

@@axethepenguin please name me one service that identifies its users and that you would consider safe / private.

[@axethepenguin]

@@gr4tisfaction telegram, well before anyway

[@uekvowzkaebbzuvrgipqxhemmwbhe]

This thing doesn’t know VoIP and burner phones

[@valhalla_dev]

literally saw the news and my first thought was like "Mental Outlaw is gonna do a video on this"

[@donaldturnbull]

So much for the free speech absolutist 🙄

[@ashishpatel350]

they probably threatened to send him to p diddys house

[@estebanod]

I won't be able to do my illegal activities in peace now :(

[@jaysonrees738]

Sounds like Patriot Act kind of BS to me.

[@contentwithlowquality4594]

Brittle Bones Nicky... he was crafty and tricky

[@kimjrYT]

I never trusted any of this from the start

[@tjmarx]

You think only france was involved in that? Just france? 😂

[@mrnice4434]

Burner phones are not even a think here in Germany (and the EU in general I think) , because you need to unlock a prepaid phone with a copy of your ID card in postal offices. So legally there is no way to get a unlinked, from your person phone number

[@TCKRDefense]

I know Europe and The UK suck with privacy laws. I didn't even know they did this in Germany. I think America should declare war against Germany over this issue and Send in Strategic bombers like the B-2 Spirit and F-35 and F-22. Yes, in many European countries, including Germany, it is generally true that mobile phone numbers, even prepaid ones, need to be registered with a form of identification. This is part of regulations aimed at preventing criminal activities like fraud and terrorism. In Germany, for example, when purchasing a prepaid SIM card, you are often required to show a valid ID, and the card is registered in your name. This system makes it difficult to acquire a completely anonymous "burner" phone, as the phone number is linked to the buyer’s identity. Similar regulations exist in other EU countries, where telecom providers must verify the identity of customers before activating their services.

[@gabriledyt]

Just buy an used phone

[@bradtidball5206]

Have you tested the faraday bags on your website to make sure they actually work?

[@Ciaudius]

Honestly this is the saddest news I have ever heard. Telegram used to feel safe or at least non predatory but it's all gone now.

[@dsgg5714]

Telegram never was for privacy, lol. Guys, educate yourself please! Using phone numbers for app installed on yr computer, Not supporting full e2ee, all data goes through Telegram servers, closed servers! Come on guys...

[@vaishnav3735]

you think durov got the french butt treatment?

[@Ravix0fFourHorn]

asking your real phone number to use the app was a red flag for me so i never used it.

[@cls880]

They must have threatened him with life in prison while they had him kidnapped.