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Follow MprooV on Twitter / mproovapp #agadmator British grandmaster Nigel Short infuriates women by claiming that they are not "hard-wired" to play the game well
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A ten-round Open tournament, featuring super-elite and highly rated professionals in action, alongside a large number of titled players, as well as amateurs of all strengths. A high proportion of the world's best female players will be taking part. In addition, many top-ranked juniors will play. The Masters is expected to include players from some sixty federations.
RATE OF PLAY:
40 moves in 100 minutes plus 20 moves in 50 minutes plus 15 minutes for all remaining moves with 30 seconds per move added from the start.
The first prize may not be shared.
In the event of a tie for first place, there shall be a play-off. If there are four or fewer players tied for first place, there will be a speed knock-out play-off for the first prize of £25,000.
If three players tie for first place, the player with the highest performance rating will be seeded directly into the Final of the Play-Off; the other two players will contest the Semi-Final.
If more than four players tie for first place, the four players with the highest performance ratings shall qualify for the play-off to decide the first prize.
All other prizes shall be shared where players have the same score (except the Women’s First Prize).
Valentina Gunina vs Nigel Short
Tradewise Gibraltar (2018), Catalan Bay GIB, rd 9, Jan-31
Alekhine Defense: Modern. Alburt Variation (B04)
1. e4 Nf6 2. e5 Nd5 3. d4 d6 4. Nf3 g6 5. Be2 Bg7 6. c4 Nb6 7. ed6 cd6 8. O-O O-O 9. Bg5 Nc6 10. h3 Bf5 11. Nc3 h6 12. Be3 d5 13. c5 Nc4 14. Bc1 b6 15. b3 bc5 16. bc4 cd4 17. Nd5 e6 18. Ba3 ed5 19. Bf8 Kf8 20. cd5 Qd5 21. Bd3 Nb4 22. Bf5 Qf5 23. Rb1 Nd3 24. Rb7 Kg8 25. Qb1 Qd5 26. Rb5 Qc4 27. Rd1 Nf4 28. Rb8
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[@spiralabyss9989]

nigel came short

[@markboggs746]

No. The article came short. The quote is wrong. He did not say that at all. Nigel was long...

[@chesss1985]

Clear underestimation by nigel, dont understand why did he play so carelessly

[@markboggs746]

He did not. You are wrong. So is the Telegraph. He did not say what they claim he did.

[@nzrdb6]

The Telegraph is not renowned for it's integrity and accuracy

[@Wtahc]

mark boggs he was making a joke about how he lost

[@PBPkitty]

great game! high time to encourage young girls to play chess. plenty of them at the last tournament here in concord, california.

[@michahalczuk9071]

Nigel Short is absolutely correct in what he wrote in the article. He states that men and women are inherently differen, have differently hard wired brains and people just should aknowledge that. He even admitted in interview, that him having a bad score agains woman, doesn't prove otherwise. There is 270 point gap between top 100 women and men (2430 vs 2700 FIDE), and surely it doesn't come from anywhere (remember that ELO is non linear, 10% difference in ELO is normally huge in actual game). Nigels article: en.chessbase.com/post/vive-la-diffrence-the-full-story Review with him about this article: kzbin.info/www/bejne/sIiyZGOlZrBmg8U Nothing he said is inflamatory or sexist, don't try to act like it was.

[@ScaramouchedaVinci]

You are right. But he swims with the spirit of the times, which forbids voicing differences between men and women (gender mainstreaming dictates).

[@leeball4585]

Odd how Nige played Alekhine's Defence...an opening he has always slated!

[@svhuwagv2965]

Short-sighted

[@INTJIsland]

This is click bait. Of course weaker players beat stronger players all the time. Short was talking about the general ratings, and he was clearly right. Take a look. The top woman in the world right now is Hou Yifan at 2654, just at the bottom of the top 100 players in the world. (A short time ago there were no women on the top 100 list.) Valentina Gunina is rated at 2502 and is well below the top 100. If they were not women, no one would be talking about them. Of course they can wipe the board with weak men players, and they beat the top players occasionally. People rave about Judit Polgar, the greatest woman player of all time beating Gary Kasparov once. But her record against Kasparov was 1 win, 11 losses and only 3 draws. This is hardly equality. If a sports team played a season with that record they probably would be on the bottom of the league. It's minor league vs major league at the top. And it isn't just chess. In Go the top female is Choi Jeong with a rating of 3305. She is ranked number 117 in the world. The top male player is Park Junghwan, rated at 3654. If you look at the facts, men and women have the same IQ average. However, men dominate the wings of the IQ bell curve. Men have more idiots and more geniuses. There has never been a female Sir Isaac Newton. It is biological. Women can be brilliant and often are, but the outer edges of brilliance is a male only club. Women have talents and abilities that are where they dominate. It just isn't at the top reaches of chess, Go, or physical sciences. Why does that make people angry? As a result of these facts I think it is a very good thing that they have women's tournaments, championships and prize money. If you take that away you will send women chess players packing. As it is, lots of women play chess at their (and it is a high) level of chess. It just doesn't generally reach the same level as the top male players reach. It has been this way, and it will continue to be this way. Why do we fuss over the facts of biology? Shall we have a match between Valentina Gunina and Nigel Short, oh say 10 or 11 games and see who ends up with the higher score at the end? Nigel Short is currently at number 82 in the world with a 2662 rating. So, he is not at the top either at this point. Still, with a 152 point difference in ratings it seems a safe bet that Short would take Gunina in a match. Yifan Hou is at least nearer Short's rating. That would be more interesting of course. If you look at the numbers they don't change much. Years and years of trying to push the lie that there are no differences in the sexes hasn't changed the facts. They hold pretty steady, year after year after year. And still it is news. (Maybe we should start asking why?) So what do we do? Toss out women's tournaments and pretend that women are going to step up and challenge the top men? Does that really make sense? Why do we make a POLITICAL fuss over a weaker player beating a better player? It is interesting when it happens, but Nigel Short was right and this game didn't change that. He was beaten fair and square and that happens. However, his original statement stands unchallenged by the facts. Women's ratings just do not hang out in the top 10 or twenty chess ratings in the world. Rather than there being 25 women in the top 50 players, there are zero. Click bait. But even so, I love your channel generally. You are amazing with the number of games you cover and the way you cover them is excellent. Very entertaining and instructive. Keep up the good work!

[@Fluid-combo]

INTJ Island What I read is pretty miraculous to those who don't understand the general standing for women in chess. I am not one to argue with fact and how you propose them since what all you said is valid and very easy to look up. I am not sexes or some type of women beater, but I think everything INTJ Island has said is within what everyone can respect and not argue with.

[@abebuckingham8198]

Emma Noether was much smarter than Isaac Newton and did far more complicated and significant work in both pure and applied mathematics than he ever did. Women don't play chess because of sexist assholes, not because they are incapable. If you drive off all the talented competition using social pressure it's dishonest to pretend you're a better player as a result.

[@INTJIsland]

Abe Buckingham you need to check with your doc about your meds. The dosage isn't right yet, you seem to have lost touch with reality. Emmy Noether was impressive but she couldn't hold a candle to Newton for intelligence. She died in 1935 and few people even know who she was. If she had never lived we would probably not even miss her absence. Newton change the world. The last estimate I saw of his IQ put him 30 points higher than Einstein. There is simply no way Emmy was smarter than Sir Isaac. But if you want to hold onto that fantasy, it is your opinion, which you are welcome to. Tell me who ran off Judit Polgar? Who kept her from playing? Who is keeping any woman from playing today? Men's tournaments are open to any woman who qualifies. Men are run off from women's tournaments though. This gives women an extra path to glory if they are as good as you pretend to believe. They can play inferior players make lots of money and then move over to the men's tournaments and show their stuff. No one is holding women back, and you know it. Or if you don't know it, I'm sure that they have an opening available in the Flat Earth Society.

[@Jasterouge]

hey agadmator did you watch tata steel by any chance? i missed it... how did world's strongest women player hou yifan do in tournament? what position did she come in? how many games did she win? how many points did she score?... please let me know. Thanks!

[@redpillcounselling227]

Nigel made the classic mistake of overestimating the intelligence of the human race, foolishly thinking that people would actually read the article he wrote and take into account the nuanced point he was trying to make without putting words into his mouth, deliberately taking anything he said out of context and misrepresenting his intent. He was simply trying to say that men and women have brains that are wired differently both with strengths and weaknesses (which does seem to be a fact despite the protests of those who prefer to ignore reality) and that this might explain why there was only 1 woman in the world's top 100. His point does not mean that an individual female genius like Judit Polgar cannot reach the top and beat all the men, just that there are likely to be fewer females reaching that level. However it does go against the current equality of outcome (rather than equality of opportunity) ethos that is so prevalent today so he was attacked and shamed. Whether or not something is true does not change based on the status, gender, ethnicity, personal experience or political persuasion of the person speaking - Nigel knows better than anyone how well women can play chess having lost a number of games and yet can still make a more abstract point that may well be true without it meaning that he is a bitter misogynist. Anyone who has ever tried to tell the truth about anything that might go against the status quo in today's society will know that identity politics and political correctness will be used to bring them down, a deliberate attempt to discredit the person speaking rather than directly addressing any facts that might be brought to the table is a common strategy unfortunately. The most amusing thing about this is that it was not even the strong titled female chess players that were offended at the time (indeed many supported him), but feminists who knew nothing about chess looking to advance their political agenda and simpering male 'white knights' who were offended on behalf of all women everywhere. That is the very definition of 'virtue signalling'. It's a sad state of affairs when feelings become more important than facts, especially when it is group identity that determines whether your feelings should be taken into account or not. Check out the Jordan Peterson - Cathy Newman interview currently doing the rounds on KZbin for a perfect example of such cognitive dissonance in action, the guy is similarly attacked for saying absolutely nothing controversial whatsoever because it does not fit the narrative being pedalled but he defended himself admirably and made his attacker look foolish without even trying. Anyway, rant over so let's enjoy the chess.

[@ScaramouchedaVinci]

He made only the mistake to speak the truth. He said "that women, by nature, could not play chess as well as men." And not what above is said. That´s a big difference.

[@SimBol1216]

The comments section here is a perfect example of why more women don't play chess.

[@agfd5659]

SimBol1216 yeah it's pretty sad. It's so discouraging for women

[@josepht11]

Agfd if they dont want to play chess because of some name calling then they obviously arent that interested in the first place so its no big loss except to a specific quota

[@agfd5659]

J T but imagine if you were a woman... Wouldn't this attitude discourage you from playing?

[@josepht11]

Agfd no it would motivate me to beat the idiots, id train harder and longer than them. Its asif women are the only ones to be name called etc etc it happens to men in all sports but they dont have a specific political agenda to help them, because theyre autonomous adults not babies. You get discouraged by name calling then grow up and get in the real world, men are much more likely to recieve verbal and physical violence than woman yet we dont cry about it. (Sorry for the lack of punctuation lol)

[@foxred1007]

"If they're so soft-skinned and thin-skinned then they shouldn't be playing the fucking game you idiot." You are a disgrace to chess.

[@jacovichstabs841]

My view is that Short's comment about women and chess is largely unfounded and unhelpful. He is speaking generally for a start " *girls* just don't have the brains to play chess." The suggestion here is that girls, as a demographic, are inherently inferior to men when it comes to chess. There is no evidence for this and you cannot draw any scientific correlation between this hypothesis and the chess sex demographic. This is because by doing so you are neglecting to take into account the multitude of other variables needed for an accurate multi-variant analysis. The second thing is that he is suggesting that there is some inherent difference in intelligence between the genders by use of the word "brains". This is not true, men and women have very similar IQ. The only difference is that women's average IQ is less fluctuating than men's. In men the higher and lower percentiles are going to be more extreme than in women. So in theory you'd get more male grandmasters but also more unsuccessful male players and more women in the average skill level. Obviously effort in practice and developing your skill is going to be a much bigger factor than your biology. And it is more likely that women just aren't as interested in chess as men, and that's completely fine. But Nigel's comment is completely unfounded.

[@headhunterx1291]

Jacovich Stabs well said.

[@fabianjackson6977]

gg

[@CGoody564]

Did you see the interview? He said himself he was speaking generally. That doesn't mean he is wrong in general... He did not say women can't play chess. He said there are fundamental differences between how men and women think, and that in general men are better at chess. There is nothing wrong with his statement. Take a top 70 ranked male and a top 10 ranked female, and the male is likely to win according to Short. That isn't incorrect. The interviewer brought up Judit Polgar, and he said that she is a very special case and even he himself has a negative score against her, but one standout case doesn't make the general statement untrue. As for brains, you are absolutely mistaken. Males have bigger brains, and have more grey and white matter. Intelligence may be similar, but they manifest in different ways. Did you even research any of his or your statements before spouting nonsense? Because he never claimed women to be inferior. He claimed them to think differently, which the do.

[@jesusthroughmary]

The fact that there is exactly one 2700 woman ever, and no 2750s, is evidence. That is statistically next to impossible if men and women were indistinguishable.

[@tgr4ripe]

While It is true though that average/median value across population is almost identical between males & females, variance is a lot higher among males when it comes to certain cognitive abilities. So tail ends of distribution are dominated by males. Example: top 1000 of chess is dominated by males due to that reason, regardless of participation rate: case in a point ex-Soviet block where girls/women participation was a lot higher than in US/Western Europe. Same goes for math or programming contests/Olympiads. European charter of math Olympiads has been trying to increase girls ratio for 20 years now with little to show for it. They finally gave up and created girls only European math Olympiad. On opposite end of the distribution: intellectual development disabilities are yet again dominated by males.

[@danielacosta266]

Bobby Fischer stated he could beat any female on the planet with knight odds. But he never got this much hate... Nigel is correct whether you guys want to believe it or not. If you want to argue that women are better than men at chess that is just not based on actual information and historically incorrect.

[@deutscheblitzkrieg]

True.

[@nicbentulan]

nigel short...this is the guy who criticised wesley so for praying in that the praying is like cheating

[@MrMorlaf]

Notice how there aren't many videos of Short destroying other girls at chess? why? because it aint exactly hard. It aint noteworthy. This is. Because it is aberrant. Go trawl through a complete listing of games like on Chassbase or Chassgames and you can have many, many happy hours or seeing Short destroying women at chess. But, honestly now, you do not need to do this; you know it already!

[@oguzhanonal1575]

which program or site are u using for this chessboard ? can anyone answer this please?

[@kirillzakharov7336]

11:09 I blundered my Queen in the opening to a discover check, but there were still plenty of pieces on the board, and I didn't want to waste the opportunity for a still salvageable game(maybe). Turned out that I was correct. I got my opponent's Bishop with a pin, castled, established a fortress around my King, doubled my Rooks, and kept harassing his Queen with my now much more numerous minor pieces, after I got his second Knight and the other Bishop with my Pawns. My opponent had one opportunity for a promising attack but they missed it, and I eventually won the game. So yeah, sometimes there is still a point to play in a losing position.

[@johnstephen399]

It is factually accurate to say that on average men are better at chess than women. Nigel Short's strength in chess is completely irrelevant to his statement of such a fact. When I say Garry Kasparov is a better player than Peter Svidler, I am factually accurate regardless of the fact that I would be consistently smashed off the board by Svidler. This has nothing to do with the genders of either player. The reason we have separate tournaments for women is to raise awareness about women chess players and encourage more women to play chess and be more competitive with male players. This is the exact opposite of what a "sexist patriarchal" chess culture would choose to promote. TL;DR Nigel Short was correct in his assessment and we shouldn't shy away from accepting facts as facts.

[@Kamila-eb9pz]

The title of the video is silly, I'm a girl and I play chess with my family

[@hnalike7778]

Congrats to val.

[@nicbentulan]

2nd : 2 years later nigel short sides with hans over Magnus so im not sure what to think. Lol.

[@rodhak1]

Agadmator, you just climbed even higher on my respect ladder. You're awesome bro keep it up!

[@elfakyn]

What I want to know is why they are choosing only 4 people for tiebreaks. I feel like performance rating is a pretty fickle metric by which to eliminate someone as a first place contender (they'd be brought down to fifth place or lower after the tiebreaks just based on their performance rating, even with tying for highest score). There has to be a better way.

[@elfakyn]

It's almost as if how significantly fewer women being taught chess from a young age and subsequently having to deal with an unfriendly environment where people think you're incompetent (if you lose, it's because you're bad; if you win it's because they had a bad day or you got lucky) and just random vitriol contributes to fewer women in chess at higher levels. It's like the Chinese water torture, at some point you just say fuck it. It's hard to stay motivated in such an environment. Men have it psychologically easier in chess; they aren't second-guessed at every step.

[@blu3flare25]

You just have to genuinely enjoy playing the game to be good, and also completely block out your emotions of what they might think of you.. Thats about the only way to get good at most things the way i see it.

[@elfakyn]

blu3flare25 definitely. But you can do that once, twice, hell 100 times. But at some point you either have to be really good at that or the chinese water torture is gonna get to you. Most male players don't have that hurdle.

[@sparkplug1018]

It takes a mindset most people (men or women) don't have to succeed in that environment. A person that thrives off seeing people they prove wrong suffer succeeds under those circumstances. Its fun to watch the boys squirm when they're beating sometimes.

[@husamismael8926]

Arya lol

[@blu3flare25]

Yea i think chess also has a very brutal skill gap. Like i can play the game BF1 and get 30 kills or so if i try super hard. Yet when it comes to chess it can just seem impossible to make any progress no matter how hard i try..

[@jwomqha]

A lot of insecure men in the comments

[@jhunphillip123]

Him saying that women suck at chess and then losing to woman seems embarrassing and just shows how arrogant he is

[@GrandMoffTarkinsTeaDispenser]

jhunphillip123 And this gets 8 likes by people who don't understand mathematics.

[@clivewarren3403]

If you want to manufacture that trick with the bishop sacrifice you should try the bishop's opening/urusov gambit

[@laxrulz7]

at 9:22 why isn't the right move to push the rook b8 and win the pawn (a8 takes b8, queen takes b8 trading rooks then king moves h7 and you take the a7 pawn?

[@Smith_Jnr]

If she's so great why didn't you mention her overall score? Kinda ruins your virtue signalling, huh? Please stick to chess and leave the gender politics out of it.

[@AGriffith]

Smith Jnr You are right...

[@HawkOfGP]

Her score is 6. Nigel's is 5. Players tied for lead like Nakamura and Aronian have 7.

[@epicpokey02]

Nigel short: forever alone.

[@GrandMoffTarkinsTeaDispenser]

Meanwhile the quote at the top is him talking about his wife lol. Congratulations dumbass.

[@epicpokey02]

Max Payne You need help dude. Do you really go around calling people names? That is truly sad.

[@GrandMoffTarkinsTeaDispenser]

The only sad one here is you. He also has two kids by the way, stay wrong.

[@epicpokey02]

Max Payne Hopefully you’ll learn respect some day, and not have someone show you the hard way.

[@epicpokey02]

Max Payne I’m a troll for not calling you a dumbass, and saying it’s wrong that he belittles women? Yeah, at this moment, *I* must conclude that you are the troll.

[@mik3slovesplums33]

Saying "Girls just don't have the brains to play chess" is just as stupid as saying "Being smart is a 'white' thing."

[@anbee8127]

Its important to understand why he said this, but it was a stupid thing to say. He effectively painted a bullseye on his own back and I suppose everytime a womens IM or GM faces him, they will play aggressively no matter what. Actually, what I don't understand is why mens and womens chess is separated.

[@calmarcalmar]

@Aga .. about 1:30 .. because he did not say: every single and last women has no brain, but generally. He basically said, men are better at chess than women. Special hint: the best women on earth these days, got bitch-slapped into the face at Tata-Steel. Embarassing. BTW: Judith was an experiment by her very own father, who tried to prove something. He actually succeeded with that experiment with Judith (one of his 3 daughters). So a special case anyway. Good for Kasparov, he had 'only' 3 daughters and no son - seems to me.

[@escaperoomleander1948]

"This is quite resignable..."

[@douglasquaid7550]

He is right. Just agree to disagree or get triggered.

[@JackTorrenting]

Douglas Quaid Except he lost against a woman and has losing history against female grandmasters. So yeah get triggered.

[@nikolaidebrey4960]

just because more males are guided towards chess, it does not mean they are inherently better

[@mpetkovic26]

But men usually have more pragmatic and they are leaning towards logic while women are more emotional its biology not have anything against women but we are different. Interest is part of you character.

[@nikolaidebrey4960]

Milorad Petkovic meh, not really men have better spatial intelligence, which may make them either better at chess or more interested in it but there are no conclusive studies proving this as fact

[@bidenator9760]

Weren't the Confederates the most triggered people in the nineteenth century?

[@BrannigansLaw]

Agadmator you've made a huge mistake with the title though it's the telegraph's fault as it's their retarded, misleading headline. Here's what Nigel Short said: "Why should they [men and women] function in the same way? I don’t have the slightest problem in acknowledging that my wife [Rea] possesses a much higher degree of emotional intelligence than I do. Likewise, she doesn’t feel embarrassed in asking me to manoeuvre the car out of our narrow garage. One is not better than the other, we just have different skills. It would be wonderful to see more girls playing chess, and at a higher level, but rather than fretting about inequality, perhaps we should just gracefully accept it as a fact." That is nothing like the telegraphs claim "Girls Just Don’t Have The Brains To Play Chess". Here's what Judith Polgar had to say: "I believe that as I have proved it with my career that with the right amount of work, dedication, talent and love for the game it is possible to compete the best male players in the world of chess even though many of my colleagues were sceptical about my potential. Of course this is not easy as generally a lot of male players say that I was an exception. I do hope that there will be more woman players who will be able to prove it again that women focusing their energy on this goal can play chess at the level of the top male players. Men and women are different but there are different ways of thinking and fighting still achieving the same results."

[@lkhalid]

simply you can't concentrate on board when gunina or judit in front

[@abebuckingham8198]

Not everyone is enslaved by their penis, only the weakest and most animalistic men would struggle this way.

[@lkhalid]

but we are talking about their winning strategy of moving their pieces from the bottom to the top ,left and right until the opponent cracked !

[@oni_thefirst]

Nigel should learn to respect wahmen

[@TheSteinbitt]

He should have put some respek on the whamens name

[@antimon9085]

He does not like Muslims, too.

[@Wtahc]

One Love it's a meme, he spelled it incorrectly on purpose :p

[@ΧρήστοςΓιαννούλας]

5:50 you do not have to move your knight because white queen is hanging

[@minipashki]

why is it "terrible for Nigel"? personally he can lose to women as much as he wants, it does not affect anyhow his statement (if it's a true one, and if it is not) he only stated some observations based on AVERAGE statistics

[@ScaramouchedaVinci]

You are right! Thank you.

[@thisisJim85]

They still can't drive lol

[@abebuckingham8198]

Yet every insurance company on Earth charges them less money. I guess all those mathematicians and statisticians who work tirelessly to improve their profitability do this just because they like girls despite the billions of dollars at stake. That or you're an idiot.

[@c.s1393]

Nigel is a badass and he's goddamn right!

[@jacovichstabs841]

Cyril Sithole but he lost

[@c.s1393]

True bad he wasn't talking in absolutes so that's irrelevant. Any study in our brain differences will explain why men are at the top of the chess field, why men are at the top of just about any field....#testosteroneisfoodfortheGods

[@Smngtr]

hence he lost.

[@c.s1393]

I just said he wasn't talking in absolutes. He could lose to a thousand women in a row, wouldn't change his point or make it any less relevant.

[@headhunterx1291]

Cyril Sithole so what you're trying to say is no matter how wrong he's proven he's still right?

[@DoctorRandomercam]

Hello everyone. Women make up 51% of the population but only 2% of Chess grandmasters. What is the explanation for that? It seems to be either because: *1: Men and women think differently.* or... *2: Men are sexist against women.* I want you to look at these two options and calculate the variations. Which of them is a *true* thing to say ...and which of them is a *sexist* thing to say? I'll pause the comment to see if you can work it out. Congratulations for those of you who found this move. So what's the idea here? Well, what Nigel said was simply "1 is true." In challenging him, you are necessarily saying "No, 1 is not true." Either you agree with Mr Short, or you are making the claim "Men and women do *not* think differently." This in itself is a blunder, not least because you are opposing a great deal of established science, and you're down the exchange. And you may think you have a passed pawn in saying "2 is true." But that doesn't make 1 untrue. On the contrary, if your claim is _"Men are sexist but women are not"_ then you have in fact confirmed that men and women think differently. And this is crushing. The claim *"Men and women are different"* is true, therefore not sexist. The claim *"Men and women are **_the same,_** but men are worse"* is not only self contradictory, it is _sexist against men._ Sexism against men is indeed a thing. It was simply fianchetto'd on the Queen's side, where some nasty discoveries are coming. This confirms that 1 is the true statement, and 2 is the sexist statement. And this is completely winning for Short. Thank you all, and I'll see you soon.

[@markboggs746]

Why? There are more stupid men than women, and there are also more smart men than women... The smart ones are good at chess...

[@nonparticipant4671]

It seems to me He could have moved his king to H7, lost the rook but then check the king with the knight on G2 and pick up the rook by forking it with the Queen at C3. Am I missing something?

[@michaelsullivan5456]

Rook to C1 leaves the black queen hanging. If knight takes it's just an exchange of queens and white is still up a whole rook.

[@Superboi100]

*I posted something in favor of a woman, i'm not sexist!*

[@Superboi100]

I'm implying that Agadmator probably could care less about the subject (or probably agrees with Short tbh) but the way society is nowdays he ended up posting something like this, which now makes him look the good guy (to whom I do not know, maybe he intends to attract those 1 or 2 other female chess players in the world to his channel)

[@Nygge1982]

feminazis are also pro-wahmen

[@Giltr0y]

Everyone should be able to speak whatever the fuck he wants

[@RRPARI]

At 8:30 , Bxa1 ? Isn't it possible ?

[@taroken8846]

Manoeuvre the car as if he is manoeuvring knights xD

[@CGoody564]

He did not say women can't play chess. He said there are fundamental differences between how men and women think, and that in general men are better at chess. There is nothing wrong with his statement. Take a top 70 ranked male and a top 10 ranked female, and the male is likely to win according to Short. That isn't incorrect. The interviewer brought up Judit Polgar, and he said that she is a very special case and even he himself has a negative score against her, but one standout case doesn't make the general statement untrue. As for brains, Males have bigger brains, and have more grey and white matter. Intelligence may be similar, but they manifest in different ways. Did you even research any of his or your statements before spouting nonsense? Because he never claimed women to be inferior. He claimed them to think differently, which the do.

[@warrenginmartini]

Girls just wanna have fun - Cindy Lauper

[@kmacyoyo]

Since Nigel Short made those comments (which he isn't wrong btw) is he now expected to beat 100% of women that he ever plays against? Obviously he is comparing the average skill levels of men and women at chess.

[@gdounito]

Short never actually said that if one reads the article carefully he/she will notice that he talks about how our the brains of men and women are wired differently.But ok I get it, a channel needs cheeky and provocative titles to spice things up. Social justice warriors should relax and take it easy its just a freakin game. So far men are superior yes but not just because they are "smarter" there are countless factors to take into consideration before judging. Looking and judging only by results of top grandmasters men and women, men are definitely better, even judit polgar havent managed to beat the top consistently but women are getting better and better. The real question should be, which man against which woman

[@AGriffith]

George D. Thats true... I dont know what happened with agad...

[@mothhunter2337]

Harsh. Learn to forgive. Terrible thing he said but I hope he learns better.

[@nizoniad2732]

agda don't be silly plz what nigel short meant is not tht women dont hav the brains fr chess at all its just they cant make the same results as men do when it comes to high level player such as fischer and kasparove tal..ect the history of chess is the history of men playn it they invented it they devloped it and they are the best at it.

[@jeremyhulbert3343]

"Never mind." -- Nigel Short, recently.

[@noahbirdrevolution]

R4444 What? I've noticed a trend where men who always look to make generic or stereotypical statements tend to be the lesser of the male sex, human race in terms of intelligence &/or athleticism. Instead of solving problems and working on improving self they attempt to bring people down to their level. It's a regressive mentality.

[@laxmansaravanakumar8480]

@@Ruturaj22 agadmator doesn't want sexists in his comment section, so kindly fuck off.

[@laxmansaravanakumar8480]

@Nathan Kelderman What he said was clearly sexist, and was a stupid thing to say. Plus this is the internet. He's not going to lose his job if I call him a sexist in a KZbin comment section. However, if he's like this outside of KZbin, he'll definitely find himself in an unfavorable situation.

[@laxmansaravanakumar8480]

@Nathan Kelderman What? Are you sane? How is calling someone sexist similar to calling someone autistic or a pedo? Autism isn't a choice. You don't control if you have autism. However, being sexist, and being a pedo, is a choice. You control what you do and say.

[@laxmansaravanakumar8480]

@Nathan Kelderman I can't believe what you're saying. My mind is blown. There's no point in arguing with someone who's clearly insane.

[@krcmdc3455]

agadmator trolling the trolls, well played sir.

[@sealand000]

Short: "She won because I let her have the first move."

[@szymonsokolinski9907]

😂😂😂

[@jonnynik7626]

"This is a resignable position" has to be my new favourite chess phrase :D

[@liliemarie492]

Thank you Antonio for introducing us this kind of cases. I am a female chess player playing at my university chess club, and I’m literally the only girl in the club. As chess has traditionally been a men’s game, it is inevitable that even today there are much more male players than female players. Thus it is natural that we see much more male grandmasters than female grandmasters, simply because more guys play chess. Like how China has all the best athletes for every single game in the Olympics because they have the largest population. It is frustrating to see how some male players such as Short argues that women are worse chess players because of biological reasons. The truth is, there wouldn’t have been a significant difference in the number of female and male grandmasters if as many women played chess as men. Your videos encourage me a lot and I always learn much from them. Thank you!

[@gurbindersekhon8240]

When you feel that chess is a male dominated sport just remember that the Queen is the strongest piece and has absolute freedom of movement while the King is a pompous buffoon that moves erratically and is the only reason you lose a game!! Respect to you lady!!

[@huskylover8167]

That is why I love Carlsen so much! Chess GM and not sexist! I'm 15 and a female and sometimes it stings kinda always being told and especially by people you look up to (such as grandmasters) who literally discourage women from playing. I love it when other girls play chess!

[@huskylover8167]

@@gurbindersekhon8240 Hahaha true!

[@huskylover8167]

@@gurbindersekhon8240 I might put that on my quotes wall. Is that okay?

[@gurbindersekhon8240]

@@huskylover8167 oh it's okay dear...

[@georgehornsby2075]

Good of him to test his theory for us!

[@bradc3402]

If I remember correct, Nigel talked all sorts of smack before playing Kasparov for the title, and he was absolutely dominated by Gary. The guy really should just close his mouth.

[@omegared7653]

Why? To be PC? Being PC means you are fake: Either you are protecting yourself from the judgement of others (you are weak) or you are protecting others from your judgment (you think they are weak) It's a pathetic way to live and creates fragile societies where everybody fears each other, like in modern USA.

[@huskylover8167]

@@omegared7653 incel lol

[@victorm.rodriguezf.2566]

​@@huskylover8167 What has incidelity to do with Red's post? In fact, isn't he arguing against it? Are you making sense, or just throwing around labels?

[@bibsp3556]

@@omegared7653 Bruh cope harder.

[@Wtahc]

@@bibsp3556 Think for yourself

[@gsam3]

His pride was short lived

[@osaabd390]

seems he had no brains enough to avoid putting his knight on F4 and losing the game LMAO

[@SurfinScientist]

Thanks for covering this game by Valentina. I was very impressed by her game against Nakamura, even though she ultimately lost it. Great that she won against Short, who I really dislike because of his arrogance. I hope to see more Valentina games in the future on this channel.

[@marcmaster7911]

Nigel got ass whooped by judit let’s not forget

[@TheTruthfulHeretic]

This title is not what Short has said, it's not a direct quote. So far I can see this is the title of the hit piece the Telegraph has written on him (talk about fake news). Short simply said (I'm paraphrasing you are welcome to read his exact statements yourself) men and women are different, and we should accept the inequality in the number of female vs male GMs and players as fact and move on. Seems pretty reasonable to me. The outcome of who is a good player and who is not in a fair game in a fair society with equal opportunities should never bother us. Judit was an exceptional player even among female players. Just look at Hou Yifan's performance vs other elite GMs. To my knowledge she has not performed well against the top players. She is world number 96, and women's number 1.

[@kaelx1233]

Yes gladly women's social status has gone a lot lot better than it was in all of the rest of history, but women are still today not much encouraged and supported to take a career in sports as much as men, just like in old times they weren't encouraged to become presidents and businesswomen and professionals and many justified it with exactly the same shit about biological differences and incapabilities

[@mandyrarsh7137]

Yep...didn't expect agadmator to go for such titles!

[@mandyrarsh7137]

@@kaelx1233 no one justifes it with "shit"...there is a whole different chromosome in man and woman with thousands of differences in genes...so yes it's stupid to say that men and women are the same...they might be equal but they are never the same...there defenitely is a difference in the way society treats the two genders and yes it will affect the careers but again no one can deny the differences.

[@snim9515]

@@kaelx1233 women's social status was always high. There is a reason women were and are not subjected to draft.( Forced conscription into army).

[@advancednutritioninc908]

@@snim9515 Yes and No ... Principally I agree with you! but Israel drafts women I believe! :)

[@sekaiiisan3709]

Respec wamen everybody

[@nikolanesic9003]

absolut mad lad

[@AGriffith]

Steve Lowyz Respect everyone*

[@imranhq13]

pewdipie?

[@kenadams9725]

Respect the one who deserves it

[@idontknow533]

Bro 2 years later and this Comment section is still amazing

[@seasideman]

I don't think Nigel actually said the "" quoted words in the title. More details in the article.

[@Ep1cure]

I remember Nigel was interviewed about this, and felt his words were taken badly out of context to his original article. There is no link to it from the Telegraph article. Only the site, not the article. The site is a book store. He fully accepts that women can reach a high level. He is merely pointing out a present reality regarding overall results at present. There was no sign of underestimating his opponent. In any case, congratulations to Valentina on a fine win.

[@abdulsalam-xp7tz]

How dare you call again an idiot

[@magicsofa]

"It would be wonderful to see more girls playing chess, and at a higher level, but rather than fretting about inequality, perhaps we should just gracefully accept it as a fact." Sounds like a douche to me

[@ScaramouchedaVinci]

He said "that women, by nature, could not play chess as well as men." And that the trues!

[@mondsuchtig3533]

Why are there Women-Chess-Tournaments? In other sports i think that is ok. But in Chess??? Chess is played in the brain. So why do we make a difference?

[@headhunterx1291]

Windows Logo if someone is constantly told they are inferior, they will believe it.

[@OmgThisRegSucks]

Calling people names like this is called bullying, and worsening your performance under such conditions is absolutely understandable. Keep thinking that women are inferior, Mr Windows Logo, and I'll bet you never will get a decent love relationship. Respect people, give them a chance, encourage them and prove you are a good person.

[@SD-ko3nn]

OmgThisRegSucks If you need a safe space because you cant handle trolls or insults, you are inferior.

[@OmgThisRegSucks]

Haha, you guys! Good luck finding your boyfriends.

[@SD-ko3nn]

OmgThisRegSucks Haha *proceeds to type something that is not related to the current topic* Much smart such insult Wow!

[@cristop5]

Short didn't actually write those words. It was The Daily Telegraph.

[@ScaramouchedaVinci]

You are right. He said: "that women, by nature, could not play chess as well as men." And that´s fact. But it is today not allowed this to say. (the gender mainstreaming dictatorship).

[@justadult3493]

@@ScaramouchedaVinci facts need proof. a serious scientific proof. please provide some

[@ScaramouchedaVinci]

@@justadult3493 Hm. ist the same: "Women run just as fast as men". Facts need proof. a serious scientific proof. please provide some... Thats Fact.

[@zeinmets3550]

​@@justadult3493 Well, in the history of chess, only 1 woman has reached over 2700 rating. That woman, Judit Polgar, a once-in-a-lifetime talent, also happens to have an IQ of 170, only 11 less than Bobby Fischer. Over 100 men have done that, btw

[@MultiOmps]

Nigel won the statistical argument, so all his losing games and this game doesn't really matter because generalizations are correct for 50-70% of a given population.

[@adonisadmirer2752]

0:00 - 1:39 chess roasts.

[@aarryasaraf]

I don't agree with his comment but this is 25 years after his peak and polgar 12 years after so they aren't good comparisons

[@TymexComputing]

Nice womanly faced picture of Short :) And he shouldn't say sth like that, or be talked he said so even if he won :)

[@raaar1113]

Judit Polgar is FAR superior to Short.

[@prrhyk]

Just checked out Short`s interview in which he supposedly said that, and he never did actually say that. What he said is that men are better at chess than women in most of the cases. He never actually said that girls were incompetent at chess. I respect your work, Agadmator, but really, that title is misleading.

[@ginger942]

AHahah always covering the thruth!

[@hinteregions]

He’s right, if that is not what Short said then putting quotation marks around it is a bad mistake.

[@abdallahradiy8525]

So the best way to test his theory is to have the greatest woman player ever play an alright player barely in the top 50 to ever play. Forget her (Polgar’s) record against Kasparov or Carlsen.

[@ScaramouchedaVinci]

That´s much to dangerous, because that disturbs the narrativ.

[@werrkowalski2985]

Well, when Kasparov said it he was good enough to get away with it.

[@laszlonemeth7336]

Yeah,but he got beaten by Judit Polgár too...

[@UnhandsomeJack]

@@Masua90 that one loss to her diminishes all his victories over her.

[@snim9515]

@@UnhandsomeJack WTF

[@ΝΙΚΟΣΧΑΛΙΩΤΗΣ-η2φ]

@@UnhandsomeJack so if in a football game you are losing 0-11 and then you score one single point, does that mean that you win the game? Think before you type something.

[@st.jimmy0244]

@@Masua90 Let's not forget one of those times was by cheating... Not saying Polgar is as good as Kasparov, just saying that she's far better than me and probably you as well

[@andycampbell4420]

It's obvious,Nigel is short in the girlfriend department!,What a dweeb.......

[@LordMajicus]

It's true on average, but not necessarily for individuals. Most people have a tough time grasping the difference between those two sentiments. It's unfortunate that we live in a world now where truth is taboo if it's politically incorrect :/

[@GoranRadic]

I am guilty. Thanks for mentioning Antonio. :)

[@colinmurphy2214]

Goran Radic are you related?

[@godless4564]

No wonder we have so few women in professional chess. This is aimed at the comment section and not as support for Short. Have fun introducing your passion to any future girlfriend or wife, just keep the "Men are better than you" until she's had a few go:s okay?

[@lol101lol101lol10199]

Fischer and Kasparov were of the same opinion. Gary was eventually beaten in one game by Polgar after many tries. But it's too late for womankind to get Bobby. So his claim stands.

[@miloscvejic3570]

''after many tries'' enough said...

[@ScaramouchedaVinci]

Exceptions do not prove the rule either.

[@mrblacky6882]

#suggestion Israel Albert Horowitz vs NN Los Angeles (USA) (1940) · Vienna Game: Stanley Variation. Meitner-Mieses Gambit (C25) 1.e4 e5 2.Nc3 Nc6 3.Bc4 Bc5 4.Qg4 Qf6 5.Nd5 Qxf2+ 6.Kd1 Kf8 7.Nh3 Qd4 8.d3 Bb6 9.Rf1 Nf6 10.Rxf6 d6 11.Qxg7+ Kxg7 12.Bh6+ Kg8 13.Rg6+ hxg6 14.Nf6# 1-0

[@pulproman6892]

Terrible misquoting to defame.

[@Smngtr]

What I hate about chess the most is the misogynistic community. Can't we just say that person xyz is a good player or a bad player regardless of the gender?

[@Smngtr]

@DNC Lover what has god to do with this?

[@Smngtr]

@DNC Lover uff I see. Our argumentations are built upon completly different foundations. I understand and respect your belief but I am afraid that this will lead to no fruitful discussion, because I have a pretty different world view.

[@quantummath]

Out of the top 100 chess players (with highest FIDE ranking), only ONE is a woman. Let that sink for a while.

[@Brandon-a-writer]

An exception disproves the rule. - *Sherlock Holmes*

[@Mrius86]

If women will stop playing chess after hearing some ugly comments, then maybe it's not the game for them. Kind of strange actually, women are usually better equipped with emotional intelligence than men, and it translates directly into better social skills. So why aren't they better at chess?

[@mikeyoung9810]

His comment was disappointing. I had just spent 13 days listening to the chat for Tata Steel and the anti woman nonsense being spewed because of Hou Yifan struggling in the tournament. It's just a shame.

[@ScaramouchedaVinci]

Nigel Short said other words, he sad: "that women, by nature, could not play chess as well as men." And that´s true!

[@ScaramouchedaVinci]

That´s not right. I don't know that Nigel Short said, women can't play chess. He said "that women, by nature, could not play chess as well as men." Which corresponds to the truth. Exceptions (Polgar...) do not refute this statement. Because if it were otherwise, why aren't men allowed to take part in women's chess? So why is there women's chess at all? Just don't confuse cause and effect and don't submit to the dictates of gender mainstreaming, adopt all narratives and walk around with a muzzle.

[@renzalightning6008]

Hey Antonio, great to see the girls showing what they can don :D may I #suggest Judit Polgar vs Nigel Short in New york 1994 Blitz game, if you havent already?

[@renzalightning6008]

#suggestion

[@grantross2609]

to be fair to nigel no woman has ever been world champion or even come close they get the odd victory over the top male players but that's about it.... this could all change with time of course.......i have nothing against women fallon sherrock, the great female darts player, says she is able to separate herself from the fact that she is playing a male player let alone a strong male player.... something like this could be the key for women in chess go you gals !

[@csl9843]

After Nigel lost to Fischer I can't take him seriously

[@geoycs]

Well, that’s pretty silly. You never have to be embarrassed by losing to Bobby Fischer. WTF?

[@cyanhallows7809]

@@geoycs Ok but didn’t you see the stupid openings?

[@pichofiraviyah8492]

Fischer said the same thing about women.

[@sparkplug1018]

Fischer had so many other oddities about him I think people just counted that as one of them. Also a fairly different time.

[@manigopal92]

Pich Ofir' Aviyah i saw fischer saying nothing of that sort in the documentary when asked about women chess players. He actually said maybe there are less women chess players due to less opportunities & incentives. When did he ever say what Nigel short said ?? Your source ?

[@pichofiraviyah8492]

"They're all weak, all women. They're stupid compared to men. They shouldn't play chess, you know. They're like beginners. They lose every single game against a man. There isn't a woman player in the world I can't give knight-odds to and still beat." - Robert James Fischer Sourced from Interview with Ralph Ginzburg, 1961 Portrait of a Genius As a Young Chess Master

[@manigopal92]

Pich Ofir' Aviyah lol that sounds like something Fischer would say & maybe he's right at that time ! Forget women. Even legendary male GM's who wrote entirely original Chess theories like Najdorf & Petrosian feared RJ Fischer coz he not only crushed them on the board but their theories as well. That dude was scary af when he was at his best !

[@TheKnightBlade4]

Pich Ofir' Aviyah Fischer was always right!

[@BlaBla-pf8mf]

Nigel Short looks like an angry lesbian.

[@averagejohnson3985]

Nigel Short is right though. Women have lower ratings on average. I have respect for Polgar, Yifan, Wenjun, etc. but either women have an inherent disadvantage in chess, or they don't work as hard as men (which I think would fail to explain Polgar's success since she clearly worked very hard)

[@Lazy.y]

this Valantina doing well !

[@AGriffith]

Well, so why dont you show the 11 games that Kasparov won against Polgar? against the only game she won against him (that was a blitz game) She studied ALL her life and couldnt win more than 1 misserable blitz game... Is that what you want agad? Facts? that is what you bring to community when you show this stupid tittles... And when you say that the statement of that guy is ruined just because he lost against 2 women... Just riddiculous.. So Polgar was wrong of saying that men and women are equal because she could not beat a decent game against Kasparov... That is just stupid.

[@vlatkosurlan545]

Nigel is right. You committed something called a hasty generalization fallacy.

[@ScaramouchedaVinci]

He swims with the spirit of the times, which forbids voicing differences between men and women (gender mainstreaming dictates).

[@CGoody564]

Agad, did you even watch the interview? He specifically said Judit is a special case, he has a negative score against her, and that doesn't make the general statement untrue. I'm kind of ashamed you put that there when it was addressed in the interview, not to mention Judit is on another level compared to most women. She's one of the only one or two women that could consistently hold her own against the top 10 males of the world.

[@notexactlypaul]

Perhaps that's not intended to make a strong counter argument, but rather to make Nigel look like a moron, which is fun because his argument jumps to an unnecessary conclusion that just so happens to coincide with sexist attitudes.

[@AGriffith]

I dont know what happend with Agad... I am with you Cory

[@CGoody564]

notexactlypaul it doesn't at all make him look like a moron. It reinforces his sentiment. Statistically speaking, if what he said weren't true, there would be many more Judit Polgars playing chess. To make him look like a moron, you'd have to prove his statement is false; not bring up one particular anecdotal case that in no way discredits what he said or shows it to be wrong in any way.

[@CGoody564]

notexactlypaul nothing sexist about it. It's statistical fact. It is in fact a NECESSARY conclusion, unless you are willing to say science and statistics are nonsense, in which case I have no reason to argue with you because you'd be acting like an imbecile.

[@abebuckingham8198]

Actually it does make the general statement untrue. You only need a single counter-example to dismiss the claim, and Judit provides such an example. He made incorrect conclusions based on data with significant selection bias. This is one of the most common statistical fallacies and certainly a logical error.

[@joeshmo95]

Hard to believe you genius chess players don't understand averages and outliers. Exceptions to the rule don't negate the rule. The bell curve for male iq is much broader than the curve for female intelligence. The fact that Polgar is superceded by dozens of male chess players and she's the best female ever should kiiiind of be an indicator. "Oh jeeze she beat a guy so nope". Cmon don't embarrass yourself.

[@abebuckingham8198]

What's so hard to believe about that? Without training in statistics it's far more likely to make the wrong conclusion than the right one. People are not good at doing this sort of analysis at all. For example you ignored social selection bias when you reached the incorrect conclusion just now. It's very easy to make mistakes if you don't know what to look for.

[@pavetheworldlovely]

An opinion is like an a**hole. Everyone has one.