Charles Moore on Tory leadership, Thatcher and the future of the Right | The Daily T Podcast

[@lynxo5695]

Charles Moore is always fascinating to listen to.

[@jamesprice4647]

And generally wrong.

[@tomburroughes9834]

Charles Moore - one of my favourite columnists. His biography of Mrs T. was superb.

[@williamsnowden8186]

Identity politics is not "progress," Camilla. Reform and Nigel Farage represent progress for true conservatives.

[@MindbodyMedic]

Farage is a grifter who is refusing to call for mass deportations because he has always been controlled opposition. When the actual right despises wet tories half as much as the left then real progress can be made.

[@soviet9366]

They are the identity politics of the right and no less a dead end

[@peterhobday]

Love Camilla's interview style. Way ahead of the Today programme, Channel 4 etc. We actually learn something. More please.

[@123bwlch]

Thatcher destroyed communities all over the UK which has not recovered and these on the podcast worshiping the milk snatcher. What a pair of deluded podcasters.

[@philliproberts5594]

I am not a great fan of the Telegraph and its views but Camilla is a great interviewer.

[@andrewwhitehead2002]

Yes; she's really sharp and incisive 😂

[@nickdawson9270]

In effect he is saying that for the past 8 years the Tories were clueless in government. The question is are they still clueless?

[@CommonSwindler]

The core rot was that no Conservative government grasped the nettle and reversed the Blair-Brown “reforms”. So, for the last 14 years the Tories have been trying to succeed in an administrative system purposefully geared to disfavor anything which seeks to alter it. The answer: Break the mold, do the English thing and reverse a revolution, as happened in 1660-1689, transformative change doesn’t have to be uprooting reforms divorced form historical grounding as Blair and Brown did-the most lasting transformative change comes from reforms guided by the extraordinarily malleable and potent English political tradition. First, the Conservatives need a leader who can say as much, and say it with verve and firm intellectual solidity.

[@derekjohnson3445]

Spot on. When Cameron did not reverse the damage done by Blair and Brown I knew that we were sunk by 2011.

[@RG-mk3ds]

Very well said, sums up the whole sorry story!

[@frankbrennan1619]

@@derekjohnson3445 Instead Cameron ONLY continued ALL of ''the damage done'' by Sir War Criminal Bliar, Goebbels Campbell, Mandy Mandelson & Gordon Broon because he was & is, NEVER EVER a Conservative. End of.

[@b1ueocean]

Valuable contribution - from a swindler no less 😊 Are British citizens fighting for the freedom to operate in their personal lives as they see fit, or are they fighting for the best nanny they can put in place to coddle them and give them things? 🤔 Revolution begins in the mind of the individual. Having gone from council estate to 50% tax as a Nigerian - there’s very little I’ve looked for from British leaders beyond their knowing how to stay out of my way. I left Labour on the back of Blair - I’ll never understand why my parents ever decided to align with the whole movement. I abandoned the Conservatives disgusted by the centrist and duplicitous charade perpetrated by Cameron. Thatcher was on the money and I based my own rise on her insights and philosophies - it all clicked in secondary school while analysing the chaos in our classrooms where free education was being offered on tap - a luxury my parents sent good money to Nigeria to afford my cousins 🤷‍♂️

[@alphabetaxenonzzzcat]

That rubs to the core of the problem. Michael Howard accepted Blairism, and then encouraged his protégé Cameron with the whole "heir to Blair" agenda(which also went full in on the eco agenda). Then there's the whole Cameroon intake - none of which I would call conservative in any way.

[@kynismos]

A patriotic Britain first party might be the future for conservatism.

[@richarddelanet]

It might even be Conservatism. The Conservative Party evidently has not been as much over the years, and it has finally paid the price of its ideological intellectual pretensions.

[@b1ueocean]

@@richarddelanet💯👍

[@richarddelanet]

Although in fact I understand Conservatism just as well as Mr Moore, and he will back me up in this.

[@paulsawtell3991]

How pleasant to see Camilla not constantly interrupting her guest like she usually does.

[@EndlessSummer-dh]

I was born in Alberta in the 1950's. It had a right wing, Christian fundamentalist government that came to power in the 1930s. But we had Medicare for all, free university education, public ownership of public utilities, no private schools and an excellent public school system. We had a very low crime rate, zero unemployment, and no one lived rough. As much as I disliked the political rhetoric, it didn't translate into policies which ignored the welfare of the population even if it meant public ownership of sectors of the economy and investment in infrastructure and public works. The problem with UK Conservatism is that it feeds on social division and class and is an instrument of the powerful against the greater public.

[@earnestequivocation6250]

Wow. Actual implementation of the mythical Caring Conservatism/One Nation Conservatism of Tory folklore?

[@EndlessSummer-dh]

@@earnestequivocation6250 Canadian prairie agrarian populism called Social Credit. Everyone was from the poor farming classes of Europe so they worked for themselves and used government to benefit everyone equally.

[@EndlessSummer-dh]

English Toryism is " Why should I pay for your children's education when I can pay for private schooling, why should I pay for your healthcare when I can afford to pay privately, why should I pay for trains when I can afford a car, why should I contribute to the common weal? It's a self perpetuating system where those who have privilege revel in it and to hell with everyone else.

[@earnestequivocation6250]

@@EndlessSummer-dh Interesting to hear about it.

[@andrewwhitehead2002]

Spot on.

[@christinelivesey9077]

The brilliant Charles Moore. First time I’ve heard him laugh and swear.😮

[@ariseandgonow4319]

I wish my other half would say “yes” with the regularity and fervency of Camilla.

[@rhysellis928]

Don't underestimate Reform. I'm not saying they're guaranteed glory in five years time - so much can change during that period. But both these Telegraph journalists appear incredibly complacent regarding the two-party system and Reform being nothing more than a pro-Farage, anti-Tory party only. The disenchantment with Labour & Conservatives runs extremely deep, and is - and has been - creating unpredictable and incredibly changeable election results. It started with the Financial crash of 2008, and has been exacerbated since the EU referendum. It has not been 14 years of total Tory rule: We went from Tory-Liberal coalition in 2010, to Tory small majority in 2015, to Brexit in 16, hung parliament, Tory-DUP coalition in 17, that eventually became a minority tory government, then a Tory landslide in 19, that swung to a massive Labour win in 24. It's been a rollercoaster. The 24 election saw the rise of small parties like Reform and the Greens and independents. 2017, 2019 & 2024 also cemented the new reality that many normally solid Labour or Conservative 'safe seats' are now marginals. This opens the door wide open. As long as our financial circumstances remain dire and Immigration continues as an open door policy, expect the smaller parties like Reform to only gain electoral advantage. The 2025 county elections will be interesting.

[@jonathanstory6802]

yes. Reform is more of a challenge than Moore allows.

[@wordfromabove7176]

Robert generic would be a gift for Labour

[@SlowhandGreg]

They all would, the Con party is dead, 14 years of failure capped by brex1t and Truss

[@gailg2327]

They have no idea who Trump is!

[@oldtomsphotos]

I really enjoy listening to Charles Moore's analysis.

[@jonathanstory6802]

excellent interview

[@fraser7744]

I read Charles Moore in the Spectator every week, and I really don't think he even begins to 'get it'. Totally wrapped up in historical Tory party minutiae and quite unable to see the sea changes looming up ahead.

[@williamsnowden8186]

@@fraser7744 Nor do the London, liberal luvvies at The Spectator.

[@faykellytuncay9361]

When power has drained away.

[@misomiso8228]

4:16 I'd really disagree - it's not really Wet v Dry, it's STILL Internationalist vs Domestic, except now it's the ECHR, the ICC, the asylum treaties, all the rest of it.

[@andrewjohnston9115]

Just a point on the idea Thatcher was solely responsible for closing the coal mines. Wilson (Labour) closed 253 between 1964 and 1977; Heath (Conservative) closed 26 between 1970 and 1974; and Thatcher (Conservative) closed 115 between 1979 and 1990 So Harold Wilson closed more mines than Ted Heath and Margaret Thatcher combined!

[@Geonova74]

they say we should stop talking about Thatcher then spend the middle section of the podcast on Thatcher

[@just_another32]

DD is of a whole different class to Cameron, and to the final four.

[@paulsawtell3991]

Scargill screwed the miners not Mrs T.

[@stephenhardy312]

I don't know why the Conservatives go back to keynsian economics.

[@malcolmcoram2857]

I am very far from being an expert in any matters pertaining to politics but... I do think it might be an error of judgement for anyone associated with the Conservative party to assume that many, or indeed most, of people who voted Reform did so as a 'protest' against the Tories. I feel there is a genuine, and growing, sense amongst the British people that the 'old' model of politics is effectively 'dead in the water'. The first-past-the-post voting system is, quite rightly, seen to be beneficial only to the two so-called 'big' parties and is accordingly viewed as means of perpetuating the status quo of the 'two party system'. It seems to me that very many people want real change - not the change (for the worse) promised in the Labour party slogan - but meaningful change in both the direction of travel of our country and in the integrity of the relationship between the voters and their elected representatives. Nigel Farage and Reform appear to understand this desire in a way that neither Labour nor the Conservatives do.

[@duncanowen6712]

Fascinating interview.

[@JonniePolyester]

Well we’re seeing what a usual Labour government is like 😒

[@JeanWebb-k3y]

Farage will not align with the Tories full stop.

[@twilatharp3386]

Buzz words. Waste of time. What about the rights of the people in the UK?

[@maryfountain4202]

J D Vance has made a statement about the pet eating. There is some basis for the suspicion.

[@perperson199]

Certainly in Haiti. Less so in Springfield

[@b1ueocean]

The only *Charles* and *Camilla* pairing I can stomach 😊 #NotMyKing #NotMyQueen #LadyDianaForever ❤

[@danbarnett88]

Nigel is the future of the right, and the UK.

[@edmundironside9435]

Has absolutely no government experience, don't be naive.

[@stephenhardy312]

Utter tosh. Farage us a danger to democracy.

[@paultilly]

@@edmundironside9435 look what experience has given us ?

[@roryhungrrr]

look at who likes and votes for farage, it's the opposite, he's representing the past desperate to hold on to a fantasy version of the UK with no substance

[@arranf]

@@edmundironside9435 Nigel Farage was an MEP for 21 years.

[@paultilly]

nigel farage for prime minister the sooner the better

[@BernardMorrey]

What i find hilarious is that people are clamouring for a change to this toxic economic system, something Labour appear to be running away from . So if Labour won't change it then why would people vote Conservative, the people who helped create the system

[@Marktb363]

37:30 Charles thinks Trump is selfish! He's putting his life on the line to serve the American people - so selfish Charles!

[@gemcosta4190]

He's a greedy, attention-seeking narcissist. Him running again doesn't contradict that.

[@Silverarrow2]

I am actually positive now on the Tory leadership race. I don't mind who wins as long as they have learnt to keep their promises.

[@REX4340]

Kemi is the only one with star quality💪

[@hansgruber1686]

It's time to ditch the Thatcher glorification.

[@graveperil2169]

shame Kemi appears to be a fan of Elon

[@sammagictv]

Why is it a shame?

[@graveperil2169]

@@sammagictv because he is all ego and money

[@ahmedhamaidia385]

😅

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[@khairulnaeim756]

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