Is Russia proving today how China can win tomorrow? | Defence in Depth

China is learning all sorts of useful stuff from the war in Ukraine about how far to push against established international norms; how to inoculate one’s country from a global backlash against bad behaviour and how to drive a wedge between one’s adversaries.
All this has come at virtually no cost to Beijing as the Kremlin has copped most of the flak. So, as he casts a hungry eye at Taiwan, does Xi Jinping see Vladimir Putin as a very useful tool indeed?
In this episode of Defence in Depth, Dominic Nicholls, The Telegraph’s associate editor, explains how, by invading Ukraine, Putin has shown his Chinese counterpart Xi Jinping where the edges of Western tolerance for aggression lie.
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[@lockedandloaded6522]

YES, I DO...HOW ABOUT A REPORT ON HOW BORIS JOHNSON BROKE THE POSSIBLE PEACE TREATY THAT THE FUHRER ZELENSKY WAS ABOUT TO NEGOTIATE

[@Nick-re8bq]

Turkey vs Iran as America disengages in Iraq and Syria

[@proselytizingorthodoxpente8304]

Yes. The events leading up to the seizer of eastern Ukraine in 2014. In particular, Russia's use of Wagner mercenaries, 'little green men', regular troops, nationalist groups sent in from Russia, special forces, 'local' militias, Igor Girkin, MH17, and continued kremlin denials of involvement. That is a part of the war that incredibly gets very little focus.

[@dukenukem993]

What kind of idiot is the presenter of this video? Useless? Nobody believes your lies!

[@timpaull9340]

listening to a this guy talk about how claiming other people land through might is wrong is bloody comical. Do British people even read they’re own fking history?

[@IusedtohaveausernameIliked]

Dom, sharp and insightful as ever. Thanks.

[@zacksmith5963]

Massive respect to Ccp❤

[@max_skim-pontoon-cough]

The UK regime doesn’t even recognize Taiwhaaan as an independent country 😂

[@hamish1309]

Even the US doesn't, still give weapons tho.

[@cob571]

hey look, a useful idiot! hello :D

[@Bradgilliswhammyman]

Taiwan is a free and independent nation...and should declare them selves as such.

[@hamish1309]

@@Bradgilliswhammyman not according to international law. Don't get me wrong, I wouldn't want to live under communism but those are facts.

[@johannesschubert403]

Bots incoming. Hello Moscow! 🖕🏻

[@rufus30001]

Ukraine and Taiwan are fundamentally different situations. EU+UK reacted dramatically over war in Ukraine because of the potential of a "Hot War" on their doorsteps. Taiwan ... is not close geographically to any Western countries. One thing Xi learned from Ukraine is that Western Sanctions don't really work economically from domestic availability point of view (international banking and transfers yes, but resources no). Western allies have resisted any troop involvement in Ukraine, and it is extremely unlikely they would get involved in Taiwan. Taiwan is also about 1/20 size of Ukraine (actually only about 25% larger than Crimea). Xi knows he is playing with almost a full hand when it comes to Taiwan.

[@Neddy_Merrill]

The Telegraph never ceases to smash my lowest expectations. "Useful idiot" was a *propaganda* term used during the cold war to smear activists, journalists, writers, etc., who deviated from the political status quo.

[@johannesschubert403]

Source?

[@davelowe1977]

Correct. I was all excited to listen to a sound analysis only to hear the useful idiot point of view all over again.

[@prospectpeace1305]

As of this comment, 69 idiots gave a thumbs-up to the above disinformation, revisionist bullshit because they either were too lazy to look up the history themselves, want to believe what they want to believe or both. Given the context, useful idiots indeed. More information is at people's fingertips than ever before and yet self-assured Idiocracy is what we've made of ourselves. #nothingnewunderthesun

[@moon_krendelsestate]

@@johannesschubert403 noone is debating, he just repeats video thesis

[@bilalakhtar8916]

@@johannesschubert403thats what the video itself suffests

[@bilelsk9000]

Yes they are .. just like the USA prooved how they can envade afganistan irak and all the middle east

[@anthonyhulse1248]

Thanks for announcing yourself!

[@edwardsnowden8821]

​@@anthonyhulse1248how is Langley doing

[@amyhall3617]

Lol same old garbage what about isim. Dont no how that at all justifys the bad actions of another.

[@solinvictus7582]

But what about CCP invading ...? (pick a country that used to exist - or a neighbour who doesn't like them much anymore)

[@Jason-io9zg]

​@@amyhall3617 welp. We also have on going US Gaza drama.

[@ahmedalsharman]

Pure propaganda from the Daily Telegraph. 👆 trash journalism

[@johannesschubert403]

Trash comment imo

[@zjpdarkblaze]

@@johannesschubert403 shhhh stop embarrassing yourself

[@VelesZzz]

@@johannesschubert403 yours, bot

[@patwilson2546]

One huge difference is that the US has said that it will defend Taiwan. It won't be sanctions. Whatever the truth of that, China has to consider the possibility of direct conflict with the US.

[@samsungtap4183]

The US is just busting its arse to put a naval blockade on China....that's their big play ?

[@m.morshedulhaque]

😂

[@Richard-x3h]

US just passed new sanctions on China . Europe will soon follow

[@mikhailsemenov6199]

Propaganda has never been this obvious 😂

[@retrodripsupport7510]

the irony of this guy on the video talking about useful idiots is hilarious. Might as well put the BAE watermark on the video

[@jellovendigar]

Wow this was really biased. Even when he talks about how much gold has China bought, and not mentioning it’s still about 1/4 of US and behind the likes of Germany, France and even Italy. This guy is useful indeed

[@Ghandara-hg1gc]

Fix your own mountainous problems in the UK first before throwing mud at other nations.

[@ronen874]

yeah they got so many problems that half of africa and asia are drowning while trying to get there

[@morrismuuo1129]

Accidentally? lol

[@Mark-jy6xd]

Taiwan is learning more than anyone

[@chriflu]

I sure hope so!

[@HTBP1888]

Lies

[@Nom_AnorVSJedi]

Accidentally? 😅😅… REMEMBER BELGRADE!!! 👊🏻

[@dopeboy162dtp6]

Yea its hillarious. Western propaganda is getting out out of hand lmao

[@ronen874]

fk belgrade

[@RichardFarmbrough]

China have been using those water canon for some time.

[@rufuscollis303]

At least he's not pretending to be a journalist.

[@anthonyhulse1248]

Thanks for announcing yourself.

[@prajwal1341]

​@@anthonyhulse1248not a problem.

[@AniMageNeBy]

Though he didn't announce himself as the propagandist he is neither... well, not directly, anyway.

[@peterwu1872]

@@anthonyhulse1248 Thanks for announcing yourself

[@klexypuncher6963]

Wow.such balanced coverage

[@brandonlance3601]

Its a very very complicated strategy called 'keep your industrial base'

[@cristinaximera9663]

It is complicated indeed, since "my" industrial base isn't mine at all, but that of a bunch of international shareholders.

[@dimas128]

"The dogs bark, but the caravan moves on" its about pathetic England

[@Stockfish1511]

Uk cant produce a single tank, yet barks louder than everyone lmao.

[@Richard-x3h]

tanks are worthless with Drone technology . Have u not been watching the Ukraine/Russian war ?

[@ramimbintybindu9840]

​@@Richard-x3hTanks are useful dumbs...

[@IvaTaiwan]

Civil war broke out in UK already 😂😂😂😂

[@watermelon5896]

There's civil unrest, we'd know if it was war

[@ramimbintybindu9840]

French and Radio Free Asia are two different stations yet serves and condones the same propaganda...

[@abdirahmanahmadalifarah926]

😂😂😂 UK being US lapdog/probably US vassal taking order's directly from Washington. Calling othera Useful idiots??

[@evilleader1991]

TRUE

[@kfcriss]

the levels of irony here are surreal

[@Memuneh-z1i]

Ten minutes of total conjecture

[@richardmarsden5610]

ROC recognizes Taiwan is China and PRC recognizes Taiwan as China. The only people that don't appears to be western colonialists of the new and old worlds.

[@ttuliorancao]

Not even them. All Western governments agrees in official statements and treaties that Taiwan is part of China. That's what makes it even more hilarious...

[@silversurfergw]

How to inoculate against bad behaviour, Beijing has long learned from the US.

[@STRIPPEDSTAR]

hypocrisy

[@Samueli2235]

Accidentally :))) lmao, The Telegraph becoming more and more a comedy channel, the should rename themselves to "The Royal Comedy" 🤣

[@tonygold1661]

"Claiming land that does not belong to them". Where exactly did the USA and Israel come from if they were not carved out of other peoples land. Is the Telegraph not such a useful idiot spouting such hubris and hypocrisy? “The strong do what they can and the weak suffer what they must.” Athenians telling the Melians.

[@Richard-x3h]

are u truly still living in Colonial Era ? Where do u live ? US obviously needs to donate to such tribes .

[@micumatrix]

Wars and gold…such an awful combination.

[@JohnzionKennedy]

NATO can't win a war. International community. 😂😂😂 70% of world doesn't even know Ukraine exist 😂😂😂😂

[@ronen874]

how much it pays to work in a russian troll farm?

[@PaulJacksonOttawa]

Love your work Sir. Always outstanding 👍

[@ulfsoderberg2581]

Europe is going down.

[@stephenglover1818]

It's gone down and only themselves to blame

[@solinvictus7582]

China economy STRONK

[@YossarianLister]

Poor Francis Dearnley - the hazing continues at 1:01. Come on Team Dearnley!😊

[@mlonderg]

I appreciate Dom and Francis equally for their viewpoints. I don't quite understand why Dom has beef?

[@chriflu]

@@mlonderg I think it's rather tongue-in-cheek.

[@mlonderg]

@@chriflu Ok, glad someone else can clarify.

[@chriflu]

@@mlonderg Yeah, it seems that way to me. Then again, I mean I'm just guessing - much like Francis Dearnley when he chooses what to wear at the office, according to Dom 😉

[@mlonderg]

@@chriflu Haha Francophile Francis is my fav

[@santiagopazfigueroa8288]

Was the bombing of that embassy an accident?

[@teosandev6116]

Yes, they were aiming for the hospital next door. 😉

[@Booyaka9000]

Yeah, it failed mid-flight in the same way the 26 or so cruise missiles the russian navy fired into Iran from the Caspian Sea did during the russian intervention into the ISIS campaign in 2015. The major difference being that the US has only around a 7% failure with their cruise missiles, and the russians had a 65% fail rate at the time. It's about a 55% failure rate for russia now.

[@danhobart4009]

Yeah it totally had nothing to do with serbia selling the wreckage of the nighthawk to china.

[@andresfelipeod6819]

yes, and Invade Libia was an Accident, and invasion of Panama in 1989 was an Accidente Too. USA and his Terrorist organization NATO (meaning nort.ATl. Terrorist-Org) always do bad things by Accident.

[@PopulismIsForBottomFeeders]

​@@danhobart4009 Remind us how bombing an embassy is going to stop anyone from having stealth fighter scrap?

[@BoetHuman-pk8it]

Great Britain is now small britian😂😂😂😂😂😂

[@BoetHuman-pk8it]

I wonder can this guy answer the question why is britain not anymore great😂😂😂😂😂😂

[@vimukthifernando8772]

i love how Putin is mocked using words in a very sly way 🙂

[@praetoriancorps]

If International law applies to the internationally recognized borders then Taiwan is part of China by international law. If the internationally recognized borders no longer apply, like in Ukraine, and we apply that to Taiwan. Then the Ukraine war can be a precedent for Taiwanese independence, and at the same time also be a precedent for China to claim Vladivostok. If Historical ownership applies, Then China has a claim on both Taiwan and Vladivostok. But in the case of Ukraine no only Russia but also Turkey and Greece will have a claim on Crimea. And makes me wonder what does Mongolia gets to claim? Don't get me started on Europe, that'll be a full on free for all.

[@trevorsutherland5263]

Yes, by showing that all those expensive NATO weapons are dog isht....

[@anthonyhulse1248]

Thanks for announcing yourself.

[@heatrayzvideo3007]

Slava Ukraine ❤️

[@BoetHuman-pk8it]

I wonder what went wrong because because britain is now only a small country that likes to big😂😂😂😂😂

[@JonasWaldmensch]

Price worthy series! Greetings from Germany.

[@IvaTaiwan]

More crying 😂😂

[@amyhall3617]

I love Doms humour!

[@howardleach5340]

Dominic is so intelligent and on-the-ball it hurts!

[@RyanBrown-nx8dw]

It's just a bloody good show eh wanka?

[@AniMageNeBy]

Intelligent, on-the-balls, and very, very biased.

[@christophereduardo9903]

this video is capitalist propaganda

[@KW-hk2jd]

Very interesting. I would love to hear your thoughts on elite capture.

[@solinvictus7582]

💊

[@Jack-v6s7j]

Good coverage and update - Thanks.

[@waynechen1309]

US was also “forced” to invade various nations…🤣🤣

[@guydreamr]

Pooh and rubots obviously don't like Western analysis. Looks like the truth hurts. 🤣🤣

[@amorkadonald2831]

To call someone who has won 20% of another country's land idiot is delusional.

[@greatsky8226]

Is U.S. proving form past until today how Russia can win Ukraine today? Ha , ha.

[@SiyabongaNkwanyana-n1f]

😂 😂😂 Chest Pains Chest Pains 😭😂😂😂

[@paulwilding2969]

Favourite show on internet👍🏋️‍♀️🇳🇿

[@arsyfoox]

Yes.

[@proselytizingorthodoxpente8304]

I notice the orcs got here early lol

[@max_skim-pontoon-cough]

Hello comrade. Putin bucks are easy to earn, I’m about to buy my third submarine

[@Dungshoveleux]

China will eventually reunify with Taiwan usimg the Hong Kong model of administration, gradually moving towards just being a part of China. No military actions are necessary. China already has more than half their trade. China could blockade the Island as a last resort.

[@samsungtap4183]

Over 2 million Taiwanese work on the mainland 20% of their workforce because there is little meaningful work in Taiwan itself...this is a universal problem of over educating your population ask Libya

[@keithchao9101]

China is doomed!

[@pallavsingh6861]

Most politically motivated media analysis I have seen Expected better from u guys Tough surely can see ur frustration from the results in ukraine😂

[@samsungtap4183]

The Chinese company CATL are producing a battery not in the future but right now that is going to change the world. They have already run tests on commercial airliners...yes battery powered airliners.

[@frankteotia]

😂

[@PaulV.]

Yawn

[@Bultish]

eyy Domingo 🤙🤙

[@jadibrahim5020]

Kinda liberating that even westners now begin to understand that they can not lecture others on anything, yet alone morality! They are now trying really hard to seem kinda logical, but deep down they know that 80% of the world think otherwise and that they are not the center of the universe anymore. Hilarious

[@philrbt2061]

😴😴😴

[@harshupandit91198]

👍👍👍

[@jimhilly4041]

Big difference between boycotting Russian energy, which the west needs, and boycotting the manufactured goods of China, an industrial competitor. If China attacks Taiwan they can expect their exports to come to a screeching halt causing an economic collapse.

[@abdirahmanahmadalifarah926]

😂😂😂😂 lies, propaganda from the telegraph

[@jasonjean2901]

Interesting historical tid-bit: when the People's Republic of China took their rightful United Nations seat in 1971, against all attempts by the U.S. and U.K. to prevent it, a plan was then hatched to attempt to give "Taiwan" it's own U.N. seat, separate from the "China" seat. This attempt was voted down by the U.N. General Assembly because everyone knew, even back in 1971-1972 that Taiwan was obviously a part of China. Nothing has changed, other than the U.S. and U.K. attempting to convince everyone that Taiwan is a "country", as this reporter just did. Here's an interesting thought experiment: lets say, hypothetically, that Taiwan was an "independent country". What are its borders? Taiwan claims all Chinese territory, the 11-dash line covering the entire South China Sea, the Diaoyu/Senkaku Islands, Mongolia, etc. No one even bothers with this question because its status as a "nation" doesn't even make sense.

[@hilltopcresent]

What are the best responses to the statements "the war was only started because of nato expansion" and "Ukraine isn't a real country anyways"?

[@God-ub8fn]

And one more questionn from me why was Zeleensky honouring an SS Killer in the Canadian parliament?

[@AniMageNeBy]

That there is a slight inkling the guy might have some wee bit bias seeping into his "arguments". Looking at it a bit more neutral, the first sentence has the word "only" too much in it. While NATO expansion certainly was a red line for Russia - one we've been ignoring for years, it's certainly not the only reason. But, hey, more nuance might have tempered the narrative he was trying to spin.... The latter is actually something the West came up with themselves. No Russian official actually said that. At most, they said they had a common history and many there were culturally or ethnically Russians - which is true, certainly in the Eastern and southern parts (not so much in the Western part of Ukraine). Again, that sort of more nuanced and objective reflection of reality might come into his way of his narrative, and thus he prefers to keep it black-and-white, as anyone trying to influence people with propaganda will do. Russia does it too, for sure, but it's always funny to see how we, the West, condemn their propaganda, but do not bat an eye when we're doing it. We're almost literally blind to our own biases.

[@timandsuzidickey9358]

Thanks. !!

[@KenJames9911]

Tucker Carlson.

[@Donovanwashere]

Let’s not forget that China and Russia were holding joint military operations when they announced their “no-limit partnership” - just days before the invasion. I think the plan was for putin to quickly take Ukraine and then xi would quickly take Taiwan. The world got very lucky that this didn’t happen because Xi and Putin would have become exponentially more powerful had Ukraine not been such a smart and tough country 🇺🇦💪🙏🫶🇺🇸

[@ИмяФамилия-ъ3п8л]

😂😂😂

[@HilaryOwls]

What bizarre, inane commentary "China casts a hungry eye at Taiwan" 😁

[@john_in_phoenix]

Useful idiots everywhere.

[@egyptian3497]

China is elephant not tiger , if not attack Taiwan now while Russia fight NATO , and palestenian are attacked in rafah by usa support , so , it will never the elephant will move forward

[@susansprague7304]

Thanks, Dom! Incisive as always.

[@josarian420]

Nice one Dom.

[@AirB-101]

Excellent analysis, thanks!

[@Nebris]

"Useful idiot" is actually a term that Stalin himself coined to describe Western leftists who ignored his atrocities - the Holodomor, the Show Trials, the Great Terror - in the 1930's.

[@RyanBrown-nx8dw]

Go ship more of ur industry to China dummy its ok

[@xixinan]

Hahahaha this propaganda might work in 1960. Now it just a comedy

[@ianbray5946]

BZ Dom👍 That’s navy speak for well done mate 👌

[@simontmn]

Fair and Balanced. :D

[@brankog7]

UKRAINES WINNING!! 😂 Z!

[@BingeSmartly]

This video is a joke...

[@JesusChristItsJasonFrog]

Omg watch all these pro chinese, pro ruski bots 😂😂😂

[@alvarax]

Very good report!

[@mariot.5178]

😂😂😂 to much propaganda

[@DavidGetling]

This is just one reason why the good guys mustn't let Russia win in Ukraine. And it really is a case of "let".

[@iprofox3758]

There arr no good guys in this conflict....the US are not the good guys.

[@1Know1tHurts]

Collective west are the bad guys.

[@tonchanthol5329]

😮😮😮

[@RusselBrout]

Beware of Putin rent boys crying in the comments.

[@benjijohnson6458]

What!?

[@caseytaylor1487]

I see the Russian bots are quite active in the comments. Slava Ukraini!

[@Fyrd-Fareld]

And Wumaos. Слава Україні!

[@djvdtweel]

could have been good video the script is awful

[@goredawg777]

I often wonder how much these foolish people in the comments need to see before they start to question their beliefs on great Putin is.

[@ericdane7769]

Ji would want to keep his Taiwan ambitions local? Then why is he beating the drum of grievance politics like Moskow? The big bad world has contained China's greatness, he needs to end the century of "China's humiliation", and more such nonsense.

[@ashk4155]

If Ukraine falls Taiwan will fall in line with

[@Wilnerstjules]

first comment

[@ibrahimtouman2279]

8:31 did she just admit that Ukraine is fighting for the collective west 😬

[@PhillyKid07]

The true slips out sometimes 😂😂

[@tompabay8721]

👍👍👍