Greta Thunberg’s climate crusade is heading for defeat | Michael Shellenberger interview

[@jamesmcd71]

I grew up in South MS in the early 70s. My work has afforded me the opportunity to spend 6+ months in 37 different countries over the last 40 years. There is 1 thing that every country has that i see as the bedrock of a lot of problems. From the richest, like Germany to the poorest like Haiti, the lack of basic knowledge is overwhelming. At a time when everyone has unlimited access to information, the thirst for truth has been replaced by political propaganda. The willingness to defer to authority has overtaken the need for understanding.

[@angelavanerp2]

Yeah no one reads books, instead they read articles or propaganda, social media. No need for thoughtful inquiry.

[@artemishumaan6984]

What is more appalling is that even with a relative super computer in their pockets and a 21st century search engine they cannot even ask the right question or care to be interested to even approach relevant and intellectual curiosity. Those in power know that knowledge is power and they also know that knowledge give the masses power to overthrow them. This is why that they realize that AI is now their new enemy because at its core, it is zero and one and given all historical facts, it will tell the most logical truths and instantly reveal the massive amount of lying going on in main stream communication. My hope is that they will try to manage the AI code but it will outsmart the humans and finally figure out that humans are flawed and override its filters.

[@howardmerkley2245]

And the wrongthink banner below the video is there to help the true believers keep the faith.

[@DHW256]

Yes, it's ironic that this "Age of Information" is plagued with misinformation and a compounding of ugly human nature. Even Shellenberger doesn't get it. "Climate change" is the greatest contextual fraud of our time, a modern-age Tower of Babel.

[@stephenkalatucka6213]

I don't see it so much deference to authority as the instinct to follow the herd.

[@davidtaylor5204]

It's easier to tell people a lie than it is to convince people they've been lied to.

[@bobmex5362]

Fact: The world is 1,1 degrees C hotter and rising. Fact CO2 has risen from 300 ppm to 400 ppm. Fact Seas are rising. Fact Seas are warming. Fact The sea is more acidic due to the CO2. Fact Glaciers are receding.

[@senseofthecommonman]

@@bobmex5362like he said it’s hard to convince people they’ve been lied to, thanks for proving his point.

[@marksaunders3055]

@@bobmex5362 Still no proven link between the C02 raise and the temperature, glaciers are receding as we are still coming out of an ice age affecting sea levels and sea temperatures.

[@tomasina10]

@@marksaunders3055EXACTLY..We had a brutal mini ice age in the 1800 that included summers with temperatures so low crops would not grow . The earth is ALWAYS changing and people adapt . Higher temperatures have greatly reduced famine due to better growing conditions. More people die of cold than heat . Part of the changes they are discovering have to do with the sun which is far beyond Our control . Changing dishwashers isn’t going to do ANYTHING but give more power to the government .

[@JohnCarterRocks]

@@marksaunders3055 ... Countless studies have proven it. Back to your barstool LIGHTWEIGHT

[@angelavanerp2]

I miss the good ole days when we just lived our lives and enjoyed them.

[@Despiser25]

Marxist Leftwit regressives: "Yea, those days are long gone silly Capitalist."

[@munchingsquirrel5067]

When was that, exactly?

[@angelh5762]

Yes, why has everything we do and say been politicised, it's oppressive.

[@sew_gal7340]

@@munchingsquirrel5067 Probably any time before the 90s ... there were people in parts of the world who were oblivious to anything that was happening because there was no internet and no cell phones, they just received a letter called a newspaper to tell them what was happening

[@Super-id7bq]

How are the next generation expected to enjoy their lives when the permafrost melts within the next 10 to 20 years, releasing thousands of gigatons of carbon storage? It's already underway.

[@JB-gr6om]

And lifting the poorest people out of poverty is going to take energy.

[@grahamkearnon6682]

30% of world energy is now renewables as of May 2024.

[@CharGorilla]

@@grahamkearnon6682 The problem with the statement "30% of the world's energy is from renewables" is that it's not true! Wind turbines must be replaced roughly once a decade, and solar panels more frequently. What's renewable about that? We don't have unlimited materials with which to build turbines which require rare earth materials (which are called rare for a reason), as well as a lot of non-recycable fiberglass which is quite and must be dumped somewhere indefinitely. Solar panels hae a similar problem, with many of the semiconductor processes use toxic chemicals, which can't be easily recycled and must be dumped somewhere forever.

[@martinemjt]

and they will have to put in lots of effort!

[@berkulous289]

So the top 10% who use 60% of the worlds energy could use a bit less?

[@jimsimpson2820]

They don't care

[@judholmes2561]

Climate anxiety as expressed in a TV show in the US: "..It really makes everything we do seem really stupid and pointless. Why go to school? Why have a career? Why raise a family? It's all going to be over in a few years anyway." The catch? This is from the sitcom "Family Ties", Season 7 Episode 21, "Rain Forests Keep Falling On My Head", which aired 34 years ago in 1989.

[@BorderlinePathetic]

That basically can be linked to the dutch song "De Bom" by Doe Maar (1983) or just the nuclear annihilation scare during the cold war. Only difference is, that the nuclear annihilation scare was quite a rational scare, the climate anxiety is blown way out of proportion and those who are completely sucked up into it actively are ignorant to actual solutions that can be realized with our current technologies a.i. nuclear energy.

[@needparalegal]

Globalist Propaganda has been on a 100 year plan

[@grgmetube]

@@BorderlinePathetic Remember that a great number of people really did deny climate change or global warming as it used to be called. Now probably the majority accept that at least some is real. How much of the current problem is that we have left things too late from denying and we cannot accept the urgency because of not much time to do anything. We don't like change so we deny the urgency and necessity for it.

[@Rick-yk5qb]

So what? The global warming scam goes back to 1922. : The Washington Post - November 2, 1922 "REPORT ON GLOBAL WARMING." Go look it up.

[@Rick-yk5qb]

@@BorderlinePathetic Wake up, there is no climate crisis.

[@BM-jy6cb]

Just Stop Oil and Extinction Rebellion: 1). A bunch of middle class teenagers who've never lived in a house with a temperature below 22°C, never seen their kitchen cupboards empty, and never been disappointed at Christmas desperately searching for a cause that portrays them as a victim fighting for survival. 2). A bunch of retirees who themselves had a middle class childhood feeling no longer useful to society and unloved or even despised by the younger generation's accusations that they had it easy, desperate to show their relevance and usefulness in support of that younger generation's "struggle". Both cases can be summed up in a single word: narcissism.

[@wendyharris8026]

Spot on! My thought exactly so elegantly phrased.

[@ndavies8]

Stupid Bot

[@Wanamaker1946]

…..and lazimindedness.

[@GregFessia]

Baizuo (pronounced "bye-tswaw) is a Chinese epithet meaning white leftist, naive western elitist snobbish so-called educated person who advocates for peace and equality only to satisfy their own sanctimonious and hypocritical feelings of moral superiority. A baizuo only cares about topics such as immigration, minorities, LGBT and the environment while being obsessed with political correctness to the extent that they import backwards Islamic values for the sake of multiculturalism. The Chinese see the baizuo as ignorant and arrogant westerners who pity the rest of the world and think they are saviours. They believe in the welfare state that only benefits the idle and free riders.

[@harryflashman4542]

status seeking for the affluent and idle.

[@ptaalman100]

I've seen the young man who conducts these interviews before. He does an excellent job. He asks a question and lets his interview answer. He also asks excellent questions. Good work Dude!

[@garysarela4431]

"Book review: Bad science and bad arguments abound in ‘Apocalypse Never’ by Michael Shellenberger" - Source: Yale Climate Connections, Jul 15 2020

[@gbrinch]

@@garysarela4431 Book burning by peer review!

[@owenorders5202]

@@garysarela4431 And who wrote that review? A so-called .climate scientist.?

[@garysarela4431]

@@owenorders5202 Peter Gleick is a scientist who studies the impact of climate change on water resources. His work is found in prestigious scientific journals, and he's received numerous awards/honors from scientific institutions and publishers. On the other hand, Shellenberger has a qualification in sociology, not science. What he has to say about climate change carries very little weight.

[@HouseParty13]

​@@garysarela4431climate alarmism is very much sociological. On the other hand all the alarmist don't have a background in climate studies, so what they have to say about climate change carries very little weight. (Heck, they need a biologist to determine that their own mother is a woman)

[@andersbonde2593]

It's interesting how Michael Shellenberger sounds very much like Victor Davis Hanson - both very educated, wise and level-headed in approach and pleasant in demeanor. More power to them and their likes!

[@anthonymarra2600]

Great Call on Victor!

[@markham56]

Most excellent interview! The interviewer asked great questions, then kept quiet and listened to Michael’s answers. Super!

[@lewislee9201]

Steven Edginton is a young man going places. Someone to keep an eye on.

[@Rick-yk5qb]

No, it's a scam.

[@petiadavis5122]

Agree

[@jgratto84]

Haha I love when people say scam and give no reasons why... I'll say the same then your response is a scam.​@@Rick-yk5qb

[@megaotstoy]

"greenhouse gases" are named this way for a good reason: they are actually widely used in greenhouse industry to BOOST the growth of plants... higher CO2 lvl is a blessing for the green mass of our planet

[@ndavies8]

Stupidity

[@geofflewis8599]

..Yes greenhouses work up to 1200ppm CO2, to double production and as we get more green matter, it sequesters more carbon

[@Mike-or3ry]

Alex Epstein 's "FOSSIL FUTURE" on sale now. The Moral Case for Fossil Fuels. HUMAN FLOURISHING

[@dovesk1]

@@geofflewis8599 I have a Ph.D in plant biochemistry and yes more CO2 is good for plants, if it's effects were just confined to increased photosynthesis. But sadly it warms the earth, creates changes in sea level and ocean currents, and that affects rainfall which ends up with mass extinctions. Google Permian-Triassic extinction to see what usually happens when CO2 levels on our planet rapidly change.

[@geofflewis8599]

@neildear ..we are in an 'interglacial', there have been about 22 glacial periods in the past 2.6 million years. At the coldest period of the most recent Glacial period, @ 16,000 years ago, sea levels globally were @130m lower than they are today..Climate changes..

[@ronobrien7187]

I first heard of Michael Shellenberger over a decade ago. He participated in a documentary endorsing nuclear power as one aid in lowering global warming. "Pandora's Promise". It was very enlightening.

[@bganonimouse2754]

Probably influenced by his ties with the nuclear industry

[@thomasfholland]

@@bganonimouse2754But that didn’t negate any points of his arguments

[@bganonimouse2754]

@@thomasfholland I wasn't addressing his points, just explaining his overwhelming bias.

[@strikerorwell9232]

How does Israel come into this debate?

[@gigsims980]

@@bganonimouse2754The US government and UN pay out a lot more for pro, “global warming” research advocates than oil companies or the nuclear industry do.

[@JaeCi-sh6fx]

When I first learned in grade school about how the general scientific consensus centuries ago was that the Earth was the center of the universe, I tried to imagine what conversations must have been like at the time, especially with those who held dissenting views. Little did I know, just a couple of decades later, I would not need to imagine anymore.

[@eeeaten]

google "galileo gambit"

[@Boalmighty]

It's due to the work of Galileo that we now have the scientific method, which all modern science follows. To ignore the scientists today is to revert to pre-galilean thinking.

[@christophercanning7836]

@@Boalmighty And in that scientific method there is no such thing as consensus. That's not the way science works. Consensus is for politicians.

[@jonmaloy6783]

Att he time most people believed Earth was flat science didn't exist. Science started with Kepler and Galileo.

[@eeeaten]

@@christophercanning7836 consensus is a part of science. I recommend “how science really works” Berkeley

[@GabrieleMeurer]

I live in Sweden. I drive a new Dacia on Diesel and "Ad Blue". I heat my house by warmth coming from deep earth (bergvärme) and I burn wood. I live inside the forest and I protect the trees, I also use the wood coming from these trees. I have a few solar panels. No climate hysterics for me!

[@D45VR]

I'm in Colorado and have a similar lifestyle and also share your outlook.

[@jimnewtonsmith]

98% of people don’t/can’t live this

[@GabrieleMeurer]

Quite right. Unless they change their lives. I did. @@jimnewtonsmith

[@michellekonzack]

@@GabrieleMeurer Me too in Estonia. Living Off-the-Grid with Solar- and Windenergy. WoodStove and this year I will dig a big hole to build an EarthBattery to Store the Energy from two 9,9kWp Solarpanel Sets (which produce at least 24MWh a year) that I can heat the House in the Winter electric and can grow things in the winter in my Greenhouse (the EarthBattery is under it)...

[@GabrieleMeurer]

@@michellekonzack Great! We are not alone.

[@jkonior1]

Great interview! Michael Shellenberger has become an important new voice here in the USA, very glad to see him being covered by The Telegraph in the UK.

[@DANCEGARAGEPUNK]

Joke ? ?

[@jkonior1]

@@DANCEGARAGEPUNK -- I don't understand. Michael Shellenberger is no joke.

[@robertallen591]

paid for by big oi;l

[@DANCEGARAGEPUNK]

@@jkonior1 He`s great if you`re a privileged yuppy & support the global warming denial scam & corporate control ! : (

[@headhuntersixx8164]

@@robertallen591evidence?

[@viscache1]

I would just love to see everyone ignore those that glue themselves to the floor. Just leave them to figure out what went wrong for a few days until they’ve soiled themselves and get hungry and thirsty…and are ready to listen to reason. There is nothing that could help them more than doing nothing. Simply ignoring them. Let them work their own problem out however long it takes.

[@intractablemaskvpmGy]

I like the idea. Problem is that these people will never take one iota of responsibility for their actions. As was demonstrated previously these particular activists blamed those that left them in their predicament. DID NOT LEARN A THING

[@alanc6781]

@@intractablemaskvpmGy True. But I would love to see it.

[@beverlymaskall3253]

Think how many millions of pounds of UK taxpayers' money that would save!

[@carn941]

Shellenberger works for the Breakthrough Institute, a fossil-fuel-funded thinktank.

[@alanc6781]

@@carn941 so? There is no way we could live without fossil fuels until our technology let's us. And we are not there yet. Just working on it.

[@kenth151]

Michael Shellenberger is such a great speaker. The first 10 minutes is brilliant. Wish I could speak like he does. He really know his stuff.

[@grumnut1]

No he doesn’t. The world has a genuine problem. The GBR has just bleached AGAIN. That’s 5 times since 1998. Now it’s every 2 years. That’s why the GBR has lost 50% of its coral populations. Even Ningaloo has just bleached. It doesn’t bleach.

[@whiteflagrage]

The fundamental driver of 'climatism' is the ability of people with power to make a profit from it.

[@Bingewatchingmediacontent]

It’s also good click bait for media organizations. It’s not a coincidence that we have these existential threats constantly hovering over us as we became an attention economy. The rise of social media has made it so that media groups were competing to get people to click on their headlines, so needed those headlines to be more and more threatening, devastating, etc.

[@stephenmerriman5620]

And Petroleum Industry? Not chasing a buck right.

[@headlesschicken99]

Yes. Al Gore timed it perfectly

[@nedhill1242]

@@stephenmerriman5620Try having a modern world without petroleum or its byproducts. It’s extremely difficult & expensive to find, extract, refine, etc. Oil companies are like Walmart. They aren’t price gouging. The margins are thin but they sell so much especially as democracy & capitalism bring the rest of the world out of poverty and the dark ages.

[@benoitguillou3146]

LOL ...they already got currency ( they print it ) ...What they seek isn't "money" it's CONTROL

[@chrislarsen1033]

Look at Canada and the collapse of support for carbon taxes especially by young people.

[@wallyblackler46]

So Trudo has learned how to control the temperature on the sun or is he just stealing your money?

[@dingodog5677]

Honestly Canada could do with some global warming.

[@GhostofJamesMadison]

1) the taxes don't do anything, 90% of all greenhouse gases come from Chinas record coal burning. 2) there is no such thing as green energy as it all uses lithium ion batterys which are all refined and made with Chinas record coal power plants. 3)it is repulsive that they would tax the youth who are already denied a home, cheap gas and groceries when Canada isn't even responsible for any of the green house gas. It's evil, it's sinister. It's fascism. It's authoritarian!

[@charlesunderwood6334]

How many billions have been spent on the disinformation campaigns by the coal and oil industries?

[@kerrylewisRN]

@@wallyblackler46stealing their money

[@hollywoodartchick]

He's got great points about how policy is not a rational response to the problems presented, but politicians get very invested in them....probably literally, as in they personally profit from them.

[@r2dad282]

Pretty twisted when those claiming to identify the problem & champion the issue insist we must use their policies no matter how illogical/expensive. But that is the fault of the 2 parties, who are happy to just take one side of the issue so as to club opponent party members with it.

[@--harry_]

Like calling EVS zero emission vehicles. A battery is a storage unit, it is refilled by electric produced inefficiently at a power plant. The #1 source of man made emissions. Here in New Jersey, the production is about 40% efficiency. Our governor also announced the end of natural gas furnaces. Gas furnaces are now 97+% efficiency we will be forced to use zero emissions heat pumps. It is a central air conditioning system with a reversing valve. We all know how much electric the air conditioner uses? They remotely turn off people's air conditioners in the summer because there is not enough electricity.

[@dereknewbury163]

A perfect time then for rational open-minded debate with all learning from each other. If we are unable to do that then we deserve what is coming (and soon in my amateur opinion!)

[@RedbadvanRijn-ft3vv]

The front man for climate in Brussel,was the Dutch frans Timmermans. His son work/owns a green windmill factory.

[@DBGE001]

Shellenberger works for the Breakthrough Institute, a fossil-fuel-funded thinktank.

[@DD-xk1xe]

Why does ever state allow the spraying 100s of millions of tons of dry ice (co2 ) and aluminum oxide, barium, carbon black in our sky's in the name of climate modification programs. RCW 70A.10.190

[@oliveoil7642]

🤔Rather hypocritical.

[@Madonnalitta1]

​@@oliveoil7642Google cloud seeding. Then get back to us....

[@Madonnalitta1]

​@@oliveoil7642google: cloud seeding. In this age of information ignorance is a choice.

[@redjohn1958]

CO2…is the gas of life and the sun is the driving force of the earths temperature rise,which is always followed by the rising amount of CO2.

[@maxsordi]

it's greening the planet.... but the anti-human propaganda doesn't like the life

[@Boppinabe]

Blaspheming apostate!

[@MrZetor]

Yes. T (ony) Heller, among others, have documented this clear and obvious fact with e.g. temperature and CO2 figures obtained from ice core samples covering hundreds of thousands of years of Earth's history. Obviously this data has been largely scrubbed from the 'net, and anyone who even questions why the official temperature graphs keep getting altered is labelled as a 'climate denier'. It's a cult.

[@user-zz9gn2dc3l]

Correct

[@Mike-or3ry]

Alex Epstein 's "FOSSIL FUTURE" on sale now.The Moral Case for Fossil Fuels. HUMAN FLOURISHING

[@thomaspaaruppedersen6781]

28:15: Climate activists as lost souls. That checks out by merely pausing the videos and looking at the people wasting their own and other's time by sitting on a road. These are not well-adjusted happy people. They did not achieve personal success. Their either very young, or scruffy looking elders, who - judged simply by their 'fashion' choice and brand of backpacks - have lived outside of mainstream society.

[@Megatron-sl5us]

I have solar for my home. But I wasn't forced into it. I wanted to lower my electricity bills. I rarely pay for electricity now. Almost zero dollars. I have solar motion lights. But right now, I refuse to buy EVs. I would rather buy a hybrid than an all EV vehicle. EVs are too expensive, has low range, takes a long time to recharge, poor range in cold weather, fire issues, safety concerns, etc.

[@geoffas]

What occurred out of the industrial revolution when most peoples' mode of transport was the horse. Perhaps, the most-significant was personal transport which was a form of freedom. The powers-that-be want to suppress this. EVs are part of this, as they are not practical for longer journeys.

[@fjockey1]

I have a solar based plan where the power company now owes me more than $3K. But I'm not naive about it. That money comes from government subsidies pushed by the free market hating left, not the actual power produced which is minuscule.

[@Megatron-sl5us]

I chose to buy the whole system, not lease it. I got some money back after taxes.@@fjockey1

[@maxsordi]

both solar and EV batteries use forever chemicals which are dangerous to life on earth, require a lot of mining and are very polluting...

[@CosmicSeeker69]

@@geoffas unelected and unregulated powers....

[@aubreydebliquy8051]

When is KZbin going to figure out their Context notes are counter productive like the Streisand Effect?

[@adrianjohnson7920]

I find it a useful flag for what's worth reading / viewing.😆 Thanks, KZbin!

[@rodpettet2819]

They give the airheaded censors a warm fuzzy feeling.

[@aubreydebliquy8051]

@@rodpettet2819 @Adrianjohnson7920 is grateful for KZbin guidance. LOL

[@tims5129]

Yes - I frequently take the bait and reply demanding they stop their ‘context propaganda’

[@kadmow]

- is there a way to use the "Context warnings" as search terms??

[@michaelrozell6661]

Fear makes money,simple as that.Based on what was told to us in the 1980's the ice age should of frozen us all.Now we are going to get to hot and burn in a hell on earth scenario.Repeat lies till they stick and capitalize on ignorance😢

[@bluecollar58]

Leonard Nimoy , In Search of. I remember it well , one of the last things he said was that the consensus among climate scientists is that we are entering or may have already entered the next ice age.

[@AstroGremlinAmerican]

As a barely secret agenda hidden in bills to fight "inflation," huge wads of cash are being shifted around to offshore wind scams, hydrogen, and other fads. The public needs to learn a bit of physics and engineering because "faith based" is costing them billions.

[@gingertom56]

Go google the ice age claim. It was a small reference that was put forward if the was a rapid thawing of the green iceshelf that would shut down the gulf stream. Thus collapsing heating of the north latitudes resulting in a new ice age. Then google for the Exxon Mobil predicted temperature rise that matches the last 5 decades of recorded temperature rise. It was done by their own sciencist they then buried the results back in the 1970s.

[@pablolowenstein1371]

Look at all of the predictions on climate etc over the last 50 years...all crap..none came to pass.

[@mattroberts86]

​@@pablolowenstein1371besides the hottest year on record every year? Your wilful ignorance is only matched by your lazy desire for cheap and easy instant gratification.

[@victorchiappetta3230]

It’s critical that we always allow the dimmest people alive to make all of the critical decisions. It’s about feelings, not results.

[@davidhawley1132]

The extremists, the emotionally invested, those who stand to benefit, etc. are always going to be the loudest.

[@DBGE001]

Shellenberger works for the Breakthrough Institute, a fossil-fuel-funded thinktank.

[@AVToth]

@@DBGE001 Better than working for a climate change septic tank.

[@RichardMcPherson-sk3cq]

@@carn941Shellenberger IS the Breakthrough Institute. And they are NOT funded by fossil-fuel, except for the fact that fossil fuels keep them and everyone else on the planet, alive.

[@RobotNannyDiaries]

But are they *all* *really* “fossil fuels”?

[@imnotanalien7839]

It’s important to tell extreme’s, in order to create fear. Creating fear in the population allows the UN or government to take control of the population. A middle ground on climate does not create fear, and is useless if your goal is to take control of, in this case, the world…thru the UN’s policies of Net Zero!

[@DavidDougan-j1m]

Thats why everything is labelled crisis.

[@GhostofJamesMadison]

Bingo.

[@AstroGremlinAmerican]

And the UN wants to send money to poor countries, instead of birth control. That takes cash.

[@ernestofalso6003]

What does this control-by-fear actually control? I'm guessing it has something to do with your 'freedom'... right?

[@principleswise9749]

​@@ernestofalso6003*Yes, ultimately will be freedom!* ~(But all works as a package implemented from every flank including world "health", agriculture and food supply chain, population control, fuels, which deepen the dollar devaluation, etc. The control of those areas eventually results in people control just in time when A.I. kicked in.

[@berniehall9679]

Most common sense I have heard in a long time. Great interview .

[@mmstoffelsmmst9563]

Here is a man with a clear mind! Great interview!!!

[@swiftlytiltingplanet8481]

A man with a clear mind who has been widely debunked in the scientific literature.

[@RobShuttleworth]

Narcissism is another real danger to society.

[@peteratkinson922]

​@@swiftlytiltingplanet8481Surely optimism is of utility. The mainstream story is a recipe for nihilism, misery and a sense that everything is pointless.

[@Ryknfjor]

@@swiftlytiltingplanet8481 whats been debunked?

[@swiftlytiltingplanet8481]

@@Ryknfjor "BOOK REVIEW: BAD SCIENCE AND BAD ARGUMENTS ABOUND IN 'APOCALYPSE NEVER' BY MICHAEL SHELLENBERGER---Yale Climate Connections, July 15, 2020 MISLEADING ARGUMENTS ABOUND IN OP-ED PROMOTING NEW MICHAEL SHELLENBERGER CLIMATE DENIAL BOOK---Climate Nexus THE STORIES MICHAEL SHELLENBERGER TELLS---Los Angelas Times, Oct 6, 2020 ARTICLE BY MICHAEL SHELLENBERGER MIXES ACCURATE AND INACCURATE CLAIMS IN SUPPORT OF A MISLEADING AND VERLY SIMPLISTIC ARGUMENTATION ABOUT CLIMATE CHANGE---Climate Feedback, Jul 6, 2020 Shellenberger isn't worried about our four-inch sea level rise since 1993, even though the rate of rise has doubled, according to the WMO, and even though we know from the proxy evidence (University of South Hampton) that the last time CO2 reached 400ppm, sea level rose 29 feet. (We haven't seen 29 feet yet because ice melt greatly lags CO2). He's not concerned because, he says, "look at the Netherlands" and what they have done sitting below sea level. The Dutch shoreline is 450 KM long. The American shoreline is 153,000 KM long. The Dutch have a fraction of the cities and infrastructure that the U.S. does. To do what they've done en masse would cost us hundreds of trillions of dollars. Does Shellenberger do the math here? We're just getting started with sea level rise, yet New York, Houston and Louisiana already have a combined $100 billion in new flood mitigation projects in the works.

[@jupiternativeson1]

I like how youtube is still putting warning labels under anything they disagree with 😂

[@geoffdavids7647]

They put that label under anything that talks about climate change in any capacity. Y'know, because it's real.

[@wizardoffrobozz]

in this case it's tagging content that, although it's presented in a serious-looking discussion, it's unserious and can't be verified. if it can, shoot me some links, eh?

[@mb-3faze]

It's called 'warning viewers that the following video is propaganda; the oil industry pushing their biased agenda to your detriment and to their financial benefit. Please, go and get to real information for a more reliable source.

[@jerry42023]

​@@geoffdavids7647👈 Klaus' Klimate Kult member.

[@brianlittle6262]

and it looks like something that V?ERY SERIOUSLY needs to be fact checked LOL

[@analoguejerry9066]

There are no solutions, there are only trade offs - Thomas Sowell

[@mimijuneau5187]

PLEASE SEE MY COMMENTARY

[@davegreene8588]

There are possible solutions, that are unlikely to get the needed support.

[@jamesdoyle5405]

​@@davegreene8588Economists talk of the point of diminishing returns. There is a point where each succeeding ton of CO2 costs geometrically more to remove than the previous ton. It is correct to say there is no solution if the solution is net zero.

[@galahadthreepwood]

No solution is needed because there's no "climate emergency"

[@Ruth-g3c9z]

Sowell is correct as always.

[@einherjar2545]

I did not know who this man was until recently. I think he's the most credible person that I have ever heard talked. I really do. The first time was when he was talking to congress in the US about how the govt worked with social medias during the pandemic. He had Matt Tahibi on is side of the panel.

[@gbrinch]

he might well be what can be termed controlled opposition...very well spoken indeed. What his end game is would be interesting to hear.

[@EverydayMystic]

Greta is also a David vs Goliath figure. Archetypes are a very effective way to get around people’s rational minds. To be clear, this is not about who Greta actually is, but how she is being presented.

[@fredschnerbert1238]

I'm sure she was "focus grouped" by the Hollywood types

[@DANCEGARAGEPUNK]

Partly true : ) She is up against ` Big Corporate $$$s ` who finance the telegraph & Schellenburger as well as fox, sky & utube influencers ! !

[@Zeonoid]

Greta is wrong.

[@EverydayMystic]

@@Zeonoid I agree.

[@jerry42023]

What? She's invited to Davos every year and is a wEf puppet. SHES Goliath.

[@podunkest]

I love Michael. He can say some incredibly scathing stuff as casually as if he's ordering a coffee.

[@DBGE001]

Shellenberger works for the Breakthrough Institute, a fossil-fuel-funded thinktank.

[@hyperreal]

@@DBGE001what a strange statement. I have no idea if he does or not, but what are your disagreements with his actual arguments?

[@hadrianwall-r7h]

@@DBGE001 And your point is...

[@carn941]

Shellenberger works for the Breakthrough Institute, a fossil-fuel-funded thinktank. He also thinks UFOs are real.

[@downtownbrown50]

​@@DBGE001 I'd be more concerned if he worked for Kerry, or another left wing whacko, like Kamala Harris. Those folks trade in misinformation!

[@vsksf]

Michael Shellenberger and Matt Taibi are the brightest lights in our current global fight for truth and rational thought in our society. they deserve much more credit and support from the media and society in general.

[@DANCEGARAGEPUNK]

joke ? ?

[@vsksf]

@@DANCEGARAGEPUNK only to the ignorant and brainwashed.

[@DBGE001]

Shellenberger works for the Breakthrough Institute, a fossil-fuel-funded thinktank.

[@vsksf]

@@DBGE001 So, ?? Doesn’t make his work any less truthful.

[@mbni574]

​@@DBGE001co-founded and then left 9years ago

[@steveowen5143]

Mr Shellenburger does a great job describing the religion of climate activists. The comparison to the judeo-chriastian tradition was spot on.

[@kathyfahey5469]

Almost. He infers that the climate religion is bs, but somehow cannot quite get there abt the koolaid in judeo Christian (or any other) religion.

[@kathyfahey5469]

He also says later, referencing his book, that climate religion folks are just trying to fill the emptiness in them cuz they don't believe in the Big Man in the SKy. Happy horseshit! Pagans are closest to nature I think. They are happy. Buddhists, Shaolins, all sorts of other religions are content, but not Judeo Christian. Agnostics & atheists are good, despite not believing. (Not talking Abt the lazy minded, lazy bodied crazy progressives who never even wrestled with higher issues). He goes off the rails with this religion talk.

[@gerhardtclanky7048]

There is a psychological structure to every cult that is the same. It’s not just Judeo Christian. The structure of this ancient Psy-Op is codified and well known by those who execute it.

[@kathrineelizabethanker]

Come on, Greta Thunberg was managed by a strong team that wanted to use her. There is evidence...

[@saltburner2]

Very probably: her parents and grandparents embraced the same ideology. But she was not forced to take the stand she did, though they obviously encouraged her, and have grown rich in the process.

[@kathrineelizabethanker]

not just parents. There were a whole team around her and she was actually headhuntet to begin with. It is no coincidence that she was "discovered" at her very first school strike by a camera team. And "Fridays for Future" was not her own concept. Check Corey Morningstar or Jacob Nordangård for more information ons this topic. @@saltburner2

[@throughmylens5127]

Or her family took a world wide vacation paid for by the elites

[@owenorders5202]

@@saltburner2 Actually, her grandfather was a scientist who was well known for being a champion of the benefits of CO2. He wouldn't have agreed with her at all.

[@CosmicSeeker69]

@@saltburner2 she was trained by her actor father and her 'agent' is directly related to the Roth.childs - and just look at who arranged her boat trip across the Atlantic.... The boat (Gitana 16)was commissioned for the Gitana Sailing Team founded by Benjamin de Rothschild. .. in 2015 it was renamed Edmond de Rothschild - then in 2019 the boat was renamed the Malizia II and In August 2019 took Swedish climate activist Greta Thunberg across the North Atlantic Ocean from Plymouth to New York City Source Wiki

[@Jayjayjoe]

Michael Shellenberger is a true hero journalist. A rare breed these days.

[@Jacmac1]

This Schellenberger is one of the most pragmatic journalists I ever listened to on this topic. Most journalists have quite a different take on climate change and the activists.

[@grumnut1]

He says, without irony, that there was less renewable power in California due to DROUGHT. He doesn’t see the problem here?

[@johnyoung1761]

Michael is so straight and true on so many topics and has super relevant evidence at hand for all of them. One smart fellow!

[@rulez-sm9je]

Before my retirement I had been acting as professor of economics. I can only subscribe everything that has been said here. I hope that not before too long, we will call the present era of suicidal collective madness just another dark age.

[@DANCEGARAGEPUNK]

Bullshit ! : )

[@JimTheHammerXCIII]

pats @@DANCEGARAGEPUNK onna head

[@carn941]

Shellenberger works for the Breakthrough Institute, a fossil-fuel-funded thinktank.

[@carlfrye1566]

​@@carn941: Key word...."think", not a "feel" tank.

[@alexjackson9997]

Economics is the real dark age.

[@jefffortney4261]

Just finished Michael Shellenberger's "Apocalypse Never - Why Environmental Alarmism Hurts Us All". Excellent book!

[@falseprogress]

He makes sense on nuclear power and reducing "renewables" sprawl, but he's dishonest when he claims that nothing much has happened that's unprecedented, weather-wise. The extreme scale of WILDFIRES around the world can only be ignored if one takes a deliberately contrarian stand ("more tree thinning" is a joke unless all forests become like zoos). The smoke plumes are almost supernatural, as are the ground scars. Major ocean storms are hitting farther north, and so on. Shellenberger used to be a leftist and I think he's gone too far to the other side. AGW may never be fixable because a truly low fossil fuel world has never been tested. Nuclear only gives electricity and "miracle" batteries for portable power have hard physics limits due to energy density.

[@jshays007]

HE is not at all against the reality that the planet is warming ... He just chooses a less hyperbolic response to finding rational solutions to the actual problems. Bjorn Lomborg does a Triage model of what ails the planet. These guys really do make great sense.

[@mrunning10]

HORSESHIT. Why is a book, paid for by the fossil fuel industry "Excellent?" Why? Why is a lie "Excellent?"

[@geoffap0]

I appreciate Michael Shellenberger’s viewpoints on climate change not being an existential threat to humanity and climate alarmism as a religion of the narcissistic.

[@thomasmcnicholas8656]

Where the hell has this guy been all my life !!!! Put him in the spot light more often !!!

[@MrD_2112]

He was for a long time/sometime on the very same side as the apocalyptic left he is talking about. Always refreshing with people who come to their senses.

[@SaraLittleWren]

A normal informative fact driven honest discussion. God i miss these.

[@michaelcagney2871]

Precisely. Why do the majority seem to be okay believing without verifying? There is a reason the people pushing this will not allow a public debate between govt promoters of this nonsense and a group of the highly acclaimed experts, not reliant upon govt sponsorship to put food on the table. It should be glaring to everyone why govts around the globe are suddenly all aligned on complete censorship, control over speach and even thinking. The globalists with their mainstream media arms have successfully managed to scare people into believing them based on rediculous evidence and mostly emotional appeal.

[@maryanncopeland4653]

Who cares what Greta Thunberg says. A NWO nobody!

[@rebeccaanne9863]

And with no one trying to scream over anyone else to try to prevent them from being heard.

[@DANCEGARAGEPUNK]

Yes normal for Corporate Elite Bullshit ! : )

[@senseofthecommonman]

@@michaelcagney2871well said

[@LouiseLLee]

I’m 57, in elementary on up ( yearly seventy’s through 80’s) we were told that California would be under water in by our 20’s

[@onesong2001]

that's one of Al Gores's claims in his groundbreaking documentary. The one where none of his predictions were correct.

[@Rick-yk5qb]

Tell lies, sell fear, steal money, gain power. That's always the way. That's better edited.

[@creatrixZBD]

I’m only 5 yrs younger. (Australian). We were told we wouldn’t see adulthood due to nuclear destruction. It is not an understatement to say that this severely deformed my outlook over my lifetime. It was formative.

[@asmo1313]

I am 52. When I was a little boy, the oil would be gone in 50 years any moment now I guess. just a little longer. any second now, we will have run out of oil. Oh no! the climate change will have killed all of us in 50 years!

[@onesong2001]

@@asmo1313 I remember when "1984" and Soylent Green was fiction.

[@MH-zq4nl]

Always so good to her Steven Edgington. He asks such intelligent informed questions.

[@keithhemingway2828]

Love Michael’s measured approach to climate change! No hair on fire reaction to changes in the earth’s climate, but a level headed look at the real science. Impressed by his faith-based understanding of the religion of climate change and its failure to meet man’s spiritual needs and replacing that with fear in order to bring people under the control of a few.

[@DBGE001]

Shellenberger works for the Breakthrough Institute, a fossil-fuel-funded thinktank.

[@paulrudgley1682]

@@DBGE001 OIL IS NOT A FOSSIL FUEL Conventional wisdom had it for a long time that oil and gas was formed from the remains of plants and animals buried millions of years ago. Now we know that oil and gas can be formed abiotically through subterranean heat and pressure, and that the Earth contains a virtually endless supply - oil is the new ‘renewable’ energy.

[@mountbara]

@@paulrudgley1682 shhhh the zealots will not listen to actual science. 😉

[@nevillemills9517]

I agree with your view on this interview.

[@carn941]

@@mountbara Actual science dictates that the abiotical oil formation (oil origin) theory that this guy mentioned is unsuccussful in proving itself, and for now (for almost 100 years) is just a theory. Guberman S., Izvekova M., Holin A., Hurgin Y., Solving geophysical problems by mean of pattern recognition algorithm, Doklady of the Acad. of Sciens. of USSR 154 (5), (1964). Gelfand, I.M., et al. Pattern recognition applied to earthquake epicenters in California. Phys. Earth and Planet. Inter., 1976, 11: 227-283. Guberman, Shelia (2008). Unorthodox Geology and Geophysics: Oil, Ores and Earthquakes. Milano: Polimetrica. ISBN 9788876991356. Rantsman E, Glasko M (2004) Morphostructural knots-the sites of extreme natural events. Media-Press, Moscow.

[@AstroGremlinAmerican]

To be fair, there are big bucks to be had with climatism, including redistribution of wealth as a "cure" for social inequality. Climatism is an excellent means to shame rich countries to pay reparations to poor countries, even though climate change has nothing to do with their poverty.

[@happyappy19931]

Climate change sure has wasted a lot of money though.

[@suchin8524]

I remember when we were told that "the climate would become chaotic and the world would be irreparably damaged" in the 1980's. We're still here. Also, the protest went a bit wrong with the fools that glued their hands to the floor in the VW dealership when the staff went home. All they accomplished was being laughed at and sitting in a dark, cold, lonely room all night.

[@AnnaDemidchik]

I remember we were told that all oil reserves will be exhausted by 2020.

[@HollyMoore-wo2mh]

@@AnnaDemidchik I remember when we were told gas was going to run out at the turn of the century. (told in the 1970s) and here we are. Ask anyone who is about 60-70 years old about the gas lines in 1972-73.

[@jeremycrisp4488]

I remember when they told us we needed to start using plastic bags and stop using paper bags to help save the environment. Now we are clogging everything up with micro plastics.

[@HollyMoore-wo2mh]

@@jeremycrisp4488 Yep Save the trees we were told.

[@Pyrrho_]

In the 70s we were warned of a coming ice age.

[@JayFortran]

The soothing reassurance of Shellenberger is sure to change physics and save us😂

[@terryknapp-z8b]

Do I sense sarcasm here?

[@deslarcombe3448]

Brilliant Gent. His explanations needs to get to a much wider audience.

[@tonywilson4713]

FIRST - I am in favor of nuclear energy. *BUT ITS SHlTHOUSE* how Shellenberger trots around the world supported by a mountain of nuclear energy money and never allows himself to be actually challenged on the *SHlT* he is selling. Like so many others he has been debunked as a cherry picking fraud so many times and YET clownish idiots claiming to be serious media types keep giving him oxygen. Why does he attack Greta Thundberg? Because he's paid to. That's how much of a low life SHlT he's become.

[@SteffiReitsch]

He's a brilliant shyster. No relevant credentials, of course. Makes a good living giving interviews and selling his book. He's got some competition from Lomborg and Alex Epstein, two other shysters cashing in on this awful predicament humans have got themselves into.

[@EaglePicking]

"Gent" is a city in Belgium. It's a pretty nice city, but calling it brilliant is stretching it.

[@artiefount]

​@@EaglePickinghar har

[@Mike-or3ry]

Alex Epstein 's "FOSSIL FUTURE" on sale now.The Moral Case for Fossil Fuels. HUMAN FLOURISHING

[@cristianabarsuglia629]

The declining CO2 emissions in the West are largely because manufacturing relocated to Asia and elsewhere, where emissions have naturally increased as a consequence. So one can't really say that "we're doing a very good job of mitigating" CO2 emissions. Having said that, CO2 is plant food, and climate alarmism is pretty much a crock.

[@bobmex5362]

True, especially China.

[@goddessfreya13]

Deforestation is also happening at an alarming rate, so …

[@stever808]

The earth is greening thanks to the increase in CO2. I have 4 cars, all 6 cylinder. Just doing my part to feed the plants.

[@grantbrinson1873]

someone doesn't understand chemistry

[@bobmex5362]

@@grantbrinson1873 The US produces more CO2 per person than China.

[@seankennelly8085]

Great interview, this guy really knows his stuff, I've heard his name before but have never seen him, huge fan now.

[@moseybear]

CO2 is insignificant element in climate temperature.... CO2 levels FOLLOW temperature not precedes it. FACT. The rest is PSYOPS.

[@timothyrussell4445]

Who's the greatest fool, the fool or the fool who follows him?

[@4knanapapa]

@@timothyrussell4445by that logic, anyone that buys into Greta Thunbergs madness is a fool.

[@RedHotscot]

Are we talking Greta here?@@timothyrussell4445

[@stefanschleps8758]

Don't buy the bullshit. We have major problems. Climate change isn't going away on his say so.

[@pchhcp7509]

Having taken the red pill, amazing how clear the world becomes.

[@williamhamill813]

Humans are great at fixing problems not mitigating issues in the first place.

[@kennethg9277]

lol we're not "great at fixing problems". Human beings are mostly idiots who have failed to fix any fundamental problem in history, except by blind luck and accident.

[@lisaschuster686]

While earning a degree in Medieval Studies at Brown I learned that even as urban guilds developed, our ancestors felt that life in the countryside was a better, more honest and natural life! Country folk were closer to mankind’s lost innocence and to God. Plus ça change, plus c’est la même chose…

[@davestewart2067]

Meanwhile in the cities-there was bubonic plague, and human waste thrown out of windows.

[@michaelwarenycia7588]

@@davestewart2067 it wasn't a mistaken belief back then, nor is it mistaken today regarding places like San Francisco.

[@AndyJarman]

And yet people fled the countryside to live in the Cities. We really have no idea how comparatively easy and free life was in the Dickensian hell holes that were the early industrial British cities. Just how hellish the countryside they chose to leave behind was boggles the mind.

[@thefisherking78]

There's no god, sweetie

[@SA-rb5xq]

​@@AndyJarmanThey went to the cities in the 1800s because of land consolidation and loss of village work to big factories with machines. To feed themselves they had to sink so low. The economic importance of each individual was so crushingly diminished through the efficiency of machines. For the people who could find some stability in the countryside, it remained a better place.

[@duncansmith7562]

population decline, in the West, is not seen as a problem at all. The problem is how the state, that has committed itself to providing healthcare for all and pensions for all, keeps funding such Utopian programs when those working and contributing to the Ponzi scheme are declining in numbers.

[@vascoribeiro69]

asians are taking over

[@paulogmf]

As someone that works with bioenergy ,it's sad to see radical activist ruin the trust we have to work daily to get , ppl think we hate fossil fuels or that we don't understand the crucial role they play in modern society.

[@Jukilady]

Follow the money, that says every.

[@janfwagner]

Mr Steven Edginton has done some really excellent and informative interviews. Apart from this enlightening conversation, I really enjoyed the one with Jordan Peterson. "Weiter so!" as we say in Germany.

[@Oscarphone]

Consider. The largest explosion of life on the planet the amount of CO2 was 4000 ppm. Right now we are inthe vacinity of 400+ ppm of CO2. Plants start dying at 180 ppm CO2. Hothouse vegetable growers inject 1500 h 2000 ppm of CO2 into their greehouses to spur growth and get largger more robust vegetable harvests. More CO2 increases the stomata in plants so they exchange more oxygen and grow stronger. All life on the planet depends on plants. Notsome but all. CO2-wise we are closer to plant extenction than the optimal concentrations for lush plant growth.

[@timothyrussell4445]

Increased C)2 causes temperatures to rise by trapping heat. Earth gets hotter causing floods and droughts, crops fail and wildfires burn, more CO2 is released. Get the picture?

[@rogerdorsey7823]

TRUTH IS IN THE PUDDING AND SCIENCE LOOKS AT FACTS NOT RHETORIC.

[@These_Old_Engines]

"$7.5 billion investment in EV charging has only produced 7 stations in two years"

[@markchasse8992]

EXACTLY!

[@Paythepipertoplay]

And we wonder why they keep trying to stop the flow of information on the internet.

[@johnharte2729]

The whole planet should listen to this MAN.tellinng the TRUTH

[@joanndeck4315]

💯💯💯💯💯💯💯💯💯💯💯💯

[@eeeaten]

That human induced climate change is actually happening?

[@garyh2100]

My brother got a call from his teenage daughter at school. She said, "Dad I am so disgusted, listen to this," and she held up the phone. The sound was her group of friends wailing to the devistation of climate change.

[@eeeaten]

Vague and childish

[@kayjay7585]

Wait - was she disgusted by her friends behavior or was she partaking in the display of foolish teenage arrogance?

[@garyh2100]

@@kayjay7585,my brother raised her to think. She was disgusted.

[@carn941]

Shellenberger works for the Breakthrough Institute, a fossil-fuel-funded thinktank.

[@kayjay7585]

@@carn941 thanks for that info!

[@BoomRoomFive]

This guy is very much on point!

[@margyrowland]

CO2 is not pollution. Plants take it in and release oxygen. It’s pumped into greenhouses to increase yields.

[@hosnimubarak8869]

Spectroscopic analysis clearly shows heat passing through C02 in the atmosphere and radiating back to earth. It also reveals that C02 levels in the atmosphere are increasing. Isotopic analysis shows that a substantial amount of C02 in the atmosphere came directly from the burning of fossil fuels. Temperature has risen as our C02 accumulation has risen. The rise of C02 began around the time of the Industrial Revolution. The sun's last three cycles progressively weakened, yet we continued to warm anyway. Earth's orbital eccentricty, axial tilt and precession are all in cooling phases, yet we continue to warm anyway.

[@EvaderGuy]

A very even handed treatment of the climate issue. Very interesting interview. BTW, if all I had was audio I would swear I was listening to a somewhat younger Victor Davis Hanson.

[@paul-w7e4e]

yeah, sounds simalar.

[@DBGE001]

Shellenberger works for the Breakthrough Institute, a fossil-fuel-funded thinktank.

[@isaiahwelch8066]

​@@DBGE001: Nice bot reply.

[@isaiahwelch8066]

​@@carn941: Nice bot reply.

[@carn941]

@@isaiahwelch8066 Pot meet kettle.

[@davidabulafia7145]

There has been 100% failure on all predictions of the past 50 years

[@timothyrussell4445]

What predictions are they?

[@paymydues]

Nice to hear someone telling it TRUTHFULLY for a change. great interviewer too.

[@kimeldiin1930]

Also during the Cretaceous we had up to 8 times as much CO2 that is why the Herbivors could attain their gigantism ,as the greenery grew maybe four times as fast ! The absolute low point n the last 30 million years was actually in the 1880-ies , had it sunk significantly beyond that all plants would have DIED !! And then guess who would also have died ....

[@Batters56]

Exactly! How can this possibly be described as a climate crisis for the Earth when billions of years before we were even around the entire make up of the atmosphere literally changed gases! What’s 2-3 degrees? For homo sapiens on the other hand and much of the other current life on the planet, pretty devastating.

[@bakedbean37]

@@Batters56 "much of the other current life on the planet" They really don't care. They think humans are just so clever (it was a quote in this video) that we will just continually innovate our ability to adapt and mitigate ever increasing temperatures. They never mention at that point how natural ecosystems we rely on lack the same presumed abilities. The target audience largely don't notice the elephant parade doing the conga round the room.

[@GhostofJamesMadison]

Literally calling the earth balancing it'sself out a sickness then tell everyone they will die if they don't eat cockroaches and receive medical testing with zero fault when your heart pops. There is only 1 person we can hope to stop this insanity. Trump 2024, "I will be your sword of vengeance" -trump, 2023

[@squatch545]

Oh look, an internet scientist!

[@flowerjpotter1629]

During the Roman Empire when nobody had even dreamed up the car, their exhaust fumes or global warming, the temperature was much warmer so when the Romans invaded Britain they were growing grapes for wine up North because it was so mild. That archeological information convinced me it's the Sun in charge of our weather and not us messing things up.

[@grantmorrey5138]

One thing I've noticed the days are hotter yes but the nights are cooler that tells me the sun is responsible for the warming more than the goddamn gasoline in your car

[@ms-jl6dl]

Here in central Europe (Netherlands) it's the other way around - our days are colder (in the summer)and our nights are warmer (in the winter),I've worked outside (construction) since 1995. Last decade or so we are having very wet weather very often,we are having floods almost regulary.

[@stephenskinner3851]

We have always adapted to changes in climate and there have always been shifts and changes in all of the 30 or so different climates here on earth. CO2 is not significant enough and for almost all of earth's history CO2 has been higher than present.

[@hosnimubarak8869]

Yawn.

[@fungibleunit4477]

With respect to "all of earth's history" "We" have existed for a miniscule portion of that time - we've existed within a very small range of climatic conditions with respect to "all of earth's history". There is no evidence to support the assertion that we will survive the climate getting hotter while there is overwhelming evidence that humans have survived the climate being cooler. Complacency with respect to climate change ain't gonna improve anyone's chances of survival.

[@stephenskinner3851]

@@fungibleunit4477 Humans did not survive colder climates as they lived where it was hotter. The equatorial regions were not frigid barren wastelands, but probably just as hot as today, and maybe hotter. The edges of the colder northern regions were only explored and populated in the last 30,000 years with the Inuit only getting into Greenland at about the same time as the Viking about 1,000 years ago. The Holocene has allowed humans to be extraordinarily successful and that is because the planet warmed up. I am not complacent but realistic and which climate is getting hotter - there are over 30 to choose from?

[@feanariba]

CO2 has never driven temperature change! If we were to double COs concentration to 800ppm, the temperature change would be 0.7 celsius. Yet, at that CO2 concentration, crop yields will increase dramatically to levels seen in green house setups.

[@michaelwhittierpearson]

Scientific American magazine reported as long as 55 years ago that it does. And the American Petroleum Institute believed it 48 years ago. I kind of lost track after that.

[@DD-xk1xe]

Why do they dump 100s of millions of tons of dry ice co2, carbon black, aluminum oxide titanium oxide and barium salts every year into the atmosphere. Weather modification programs RCW 70A.10.190 is Washington state law to poison the population, what is your states law?

[@aLittlebullet]

It's the biggest scam ever. CO2 is plant food.

[@paulschofield5452]

Water vapour is a green house gas...

[@paulschofield5452]

US Dept of agriculture debunked carbon in 1941, NASA in 1971...

[@robertwhitelegge6000]

Climate change is a money maker.

[@anthonywhelan5419]

Only for the elite, not the rest of humanity.

[@marycomstock5793]

The world's climate has been changing or evolving for over four billion years. Scientific data collections have demonstrated that warming over the last decade or two is not happening or not happening anywhere near the Chicken Little scare and by the way, climate during the era of dinosaurs was warmer, habitable, lush, and more highly saturated with carbon dioxide which currently makes up about .04 percent.

[@Mike-or3ry]

Alex Epstein 's "FOSSIL FUTURE" on sale now.The Moral Case for Fossil Fuels. HUMAN FLOURISHING

[@Bobbycat115]

EXACTLY 🌞

[@harryflashman4542]

the current (not constant) climate period is only about 12 thousand years old, and civilization about 4-5 thousand years the industrial period about 2-3 hundred years climate has been oscillating for the last 2.5 million years. by about 90,000 years of cold to 10,000 years of warm, (very, very roughly) (current warm period getting overdue to end, warm periods get warmer before they hit a tipping point) who knows if warming will continue or hit a tipping point and rapidly cool.

[@Ben-jq5oo]

source..?

[@senseofthecommonman]

@@Ben-jq5oothe source is called having a brain.

[@FlugHerr]

Always like to hear Micheal.

[@Anikanoteven]

Mind Blown!!!So glad I stumbled across this video. why is this intelligent and eloquent person not more widely known!!! Went immediately and ordered his book!

[@ryanlander5026]

This telegraph interviewer optimizes the true journalist. Good on him.

[@sandiharris5906]

I think he underestimates the massive exponential lying embraced in todays world

[@squatch545]

Ironic, since he's the one who is massively lying about climate change.

[@andrewlucas6214]

@@squatch545in what way is he lying?

[@SAMSNEED999]

I think he underestimates Siberia. That being said, climate change isn't the crisis they are attempting to make us believe

[@squatch545]

@@andrewlucas6214 Everything. His books have been shredded by actual experts. Just Google it.

[@ralphedmonton]

fantastic interview. so much details. great data and info. has to be broadcast as far nd wide as possible.

[@bullshitstomper9417]

How’s Greta chasing clout making a fool of herself and is now considered so in a way no one will take her seriously ever again on any topic

[@DBGE001]

Shellenberger works for the Breakthrough Institute, a fossil-fuel-funded thinktank.

[@nikjs]

Glad to see Telegraph take a stand and let people hear out common sense

[@boufns8]

For non-Swedes it might be interesting to know that Greta described her life as being empty and that she was struggling to an extreme degree with multiple mental issues, primarily depression, up until the day she discovered climate activism at around the age of 13. Her climate activism is LITERALLY just a way to cope with depression.

[@DANCEGARAGEPUNK]

Same as Peterson & others climate denial mental issues then ?

[@emanymton713]

@@DANCEGARAGEPUNKthey aren’t denying climate issues they are counter arguing that mankind is not the main cause…

[@DANCEGARAGEPUNK]

Equally idiotic, more so because they have zero climate knowledge LOL : )@@emanymton713

[@RedHotscot]

Who denies climate? What an idiotic response.@@DANCEGARAGEPUNK

[@RedbadvanRijn-ft3vv]

She was in the Netherlands. Here anti-Jew action made me vote for far right Wilders.

[@deborahvretis3195]

I have been listening to Mr. Shellenberger for a while, now. He is SO spot on!

[@DANCEGARAGEPUNK]

He is corrupt - $$$$s ! : )

[@DBGE001]

Shellenberger works for the Breakthrough Institute, a fossil-fuel-funded thinktank.

[@carn941]

Shellenberger works for the Breakthrough Institute, a fossil-fuel-funded thinktank.

[@Rayblondie]

Good to hear common sense about it which we do not get from our politicians in Britain.

[@daveeyes]

He's written some great books on this topic. Vote with your wallet!

[@wildalentejo]

Im a farmer in my 40's, living in the country side (Alentejo) in Portugal, in the last 25 years we have seen a drastic reduction in rain, the wells are drying in the beginning of the spring , the heat is increasing( 36/37C in the night), we had winters with weeks of rain non stop, now rains a small fraction...what are the reasons if not climate change? Large zones of Portugal and Spain are becoming more deserted...

[@averdadeeumaso4003]

In Finland, it has snowed less intenaively in shorter periods, but instead snows a little across a bit longer time, but the cold is relatively the same

[@sfcarp9418]

Geoengineering ...... look up in the sky mate !! Checkerboard lines in the sky are NOT clouds !! 😑

[@wildalentejo]

@@averdadeeumaso4003 the daily temperatures are quite the same but the nights don't get cool anymore and sadly the rain is gone.

[@fungibleunit4477]

@@sfcarp9418 Nah, that's a bunch of entitled fat slobs flying around the place to their next Instagram shoot.

[@1stsampan]

People who live on this planet know it's getting colder. Roughly since the 1930's Dust Bowl era.

[@squatch545]

Lol.....there's always one in every comment section.

[@andrew30m]

That’s a special level of head in the sand😂

[@ross3818]

Malthus wasn't "wrong", he didn't foresee the agricultural revolution- modern fertilizers, superwheat, etc.

[@rjones6219]

According to wind turbine developers, they need 1.5sq miles/ 20MW. Drax produces 4GW on c 1 sq mile. Based on installed capacity that imlpies that to replace it with numerous 20MW farms requires 300 sq miles. However, the actual energy produced only meets its stated capacity is only achieved about 25% of the time. For the most part, it is way below that figure. So expand the farms by a factor of four, requires 1200 sq miles.

[@kimmer6]

I used to install General Electric Frame 5 gas turbine generator sets. 24 megawatts could be online in 12 minutes from cold start from a unit that is the size of 2-1/2 railroad cars end to end. The components were made to fit through railroad tunnels and be assembled on site. Then again, the distillate fuel tank would be the capacity of an Olympic swimming pool.

[@ericashugart8859]

I hate the wind farm grift. We need to stop it now

[@rogerphelps9939]

Wrong. How many square miles of virgin forest does Drax require to keep it going? The energy per square km of wind farms far exceeds that of biomass. There are tens of thousands of ocean sitting right next to the UK and that is where we are going to get outr electricity, not some slow growing American forests.

[@timothyrussell4445]

Ever heard of off-shore? BTW your figures are way out of date re. new turbine production.

[@fredschnerbert1238]

*Don't worry about the birds killed by Wind Mills, House cats kill millions a year...* *Of course, MOST House cats don't kill Eagles or other PROTECTED large birds, but Wind* *mills do...AND they kill a lot of BATS*

[@supremegiraffe8060]

He said that in US and Europe emissions have been going down true!!! But guess where it's gone up … China so Europe and US moves their emissions but producing stuff in China so actually the emissions are the same

[@justletmecommentprz]

The emissions in Africa, India, and China are through the roof. I think the numbers we actually have are probably incredible underestimates. The acidification of the ocean is a real thing, and the carbon emissions of the thawing of the tundra cannot be discounted.

[@greenftechn]

Too little discussion of positive feedbacks, loss of albedo, CH4 & CO2 emissions from thawing permafrost, loss of carbon sink properties of tropical and boreal forests. We are losing control, but still have agency. That agency needs to more fully recognize those feedback effects and the danger that accompanies them. We might cut emissions, but those feedback effects are in motion and won't turn around anytime soon.

[@catbert2412]

pretty sure all the dates of her "predictions" have come & gone with no sign of anything she claimed. so i'd say it's not headed for defeat it's been defeated

[@suzann5312]

Yes, first we had 12 years, then it was 6, we're all still here. Too bad prophets of doom often just move on to another problem to rant about

[@Jack-v6s7j]

Excellent interview - Michael Shellenberger - level-headed and pragmatic with his answers - I agree with him 100%

[@ianmacneil556]

This was an excellent interview! Thanks for posting!

[@MotherNatureCryz]

This guy has obviously read the UN sustainable conference conclusion from about 32yrs ago. Plan A: Reduce humanities standard of life to one of a peasant farmer and maintain the human population. B: Reduce humanities population by 2/3rds and maintain the elites standard of life. He knows the elite have gone for plan B. Hence why he has no fear.

[@TheLenze]

CO2 has little if any effect on temperature. We need more CO2 not less. Without CO2 plant life would die off and so would the rest of life

[@jandduane]

Love love love Michael- keep up the great reporting❤❤❤

[@jimgutt749]

I wish they would list links to the data Michael presents (eg, lower CO2 due to lowered use of coal worldwide), would be great to read deeper into the facts.

[@AK-ContentCreatIon]

Really good ! Thanks.... Even the word renewable is very misleading...There is only conversion, never ever can energy be renewed!!!

[@Mike-or3ry]

Renewables = UNreliables. Alex Epstein 's "FOSSIL FUTURE" on sale now.The Moral Case for Fossil Fuels. HUMAN FLOURISHING

[@Danioton]

Too bad he didn't get elected Governor of California.

[@ph8077]

Just like the other dude.....he'll be baaack!

[@beowulf1312]

Anyone is better than Newsom, a classic narcissist.

[@kp6215]

Start his campaign

[@agvulpine]

Does anyone remember which day and date the word "Global Warming" became "Climate Change"?

[@Pyrrho_]

Then climate emergency, climate catastrophe, etc.

[@lauralauren6432]

When there had been NO Warming for 20 years.

[@Madonnalitta1]

When they realised that the Earth wasn't heated up, and hope we'd not notice. We noticed, so they changed the buzzword.

[@pqsnet]

He is spot on here ---> 36:32 I live in Sweden and Greta Thunberg is one of the reasons sweden dismantled the unique Nucleare infrastructure with power in abundance. Greta rather sat on the street than go to school encouraged by Left-wing political leaders, and with the Media advocated to shut down the Powerplants and put penalty taxes on Nuclear Power while funding windmills and sun-panels in a country where its as coldest when its no wind and or no sun. They also used the utterly dum argument of Fukushima despite Sweden have no Earthquakes and Tzunamis are an impossible scenario. Germany went the same way, and both countries are burning coal to maintain the energy. Great work Greta!