Tempest & Anaar @ Tribal Fest 7

[@sandranorma]

I love tribal!!!and I love Tempest estetic and performances.

[@Convoluted-and-Exiled]

WOW!! Absolutely amazing...I love ritualistic dances, and I think its safe to say this one is such. I love how it wasn't just one woman either, and how they had like a dance off, totally awesome, I wish I could do a dance like this someday. All I can say is "WOW!" lol.

[@sadetanssija]

Thank you.

[@lionjill]

wonderful performance - I enjoyed their original interpretation

[@Parthena]

Very Nice floor work, love the theatrics.

[@MobiusBandwidth]

Very nice work! Nice use of the horned skull too. I can see why these dancers were inspired by the song, a very good fit for this sort of dance. Thanks for sharing (and crediting the band!) :)

[@kynoceph]

fantastic, in all senses of that word.

[@yacket]

shwoah. they really pulled me in on this dance, the story or ritual or whatever was captivating, i totally wanted to know what was in the bundle. a little heavy on the arm movements but it blew my mind at the end and how it fit into the song. very cool.

[@nefabit]

Lovely dance! Very different. I love the costuming too.

[@Floofytail]

A lot of people were critical of this performance, but I thought it was gorgeous and dramatic myself. I'm not normally a Tempest fan, but she did beautifully here :)

[@ElleLarissa]

Oh Tempest is superb

[@johnd39]

Tribes differ from each other in their mythologies, their syncretism, and their interpretations of the myths and syncretism. This is an interpretive presentation of one tribe's Weltanschauung. If all belly dance were the same, it could not be in any tribal gathering events, as it would be a herd activity rather than tribal.

[@paledeerwoman]

I agree with you. I think Tempest is very creative, I love their costuming, props, and the concepts behind their performances (in this case ritual dance) and they definitely have strong stage presence, but this dance is very stiff. I would like to see more fluidity and emphasis on hip, chest, and abdominal movements - this performance seemed topheavy and virtually all of the movement was in the arms.

[@johnd39]

As a matter of fact, Anaar is a holy woman incarnate and the leader of a major Witchcraft tradition in the United States. And they're performing -modern- rituals, some of which draws from ancient rituals. One might as well point out that dancing has existed for thousands of years and therefore should no longer be performed because it is ancient. "Et antiquum documentum / Novo cedat ritui", indeed.

[@paledeerwoman]

I'm glad that I live in a democracy and thus am entitled to my own opinion.

[@johnd39]

Just tell them that it is a dance style from hundreds of cultures ranging from North Africa to southwestern Asia. Because it is. It may not even have "originated" in any one place, but rather simultaneously developed in many places. When you get really tired, just ask the person if they ever heard of Google. ;>

[@finsterthecat]

Dance is interpertive. Someones culture, not really except by the person born to that culture. I love Gothic Bellydance. But I do get tired of people asking me is that how they dance in Egypt. You could argue that it is not the dancers responsibility to educate the public wheather thier dance represents the culture that this dance origanally came from.

[@oddlittlechild]

obviously, this is not middle eastern belly dance. It is American Belly Dance. But it absolutely is belly dance. Just a different kind, which is cool. :)

[@johnd39]

Belly Dance - like ALL dance - is ritual. When dance, like any ritual, does not evolve, it becomes a stagnant, meaningless form; "a tale Told by an idiot, full of sound and fury, Signifying nothing." Anaar and Tempest's performance is a dance told by creative minds combining older and more modern ritual dance terms, signifying something to modern minds.

[@VioletScrap]

i'm just saying that a good dance is visible. something that if you meet that person doing that movements in the middle of a forest without music, is still interesting. even if that dancer wears very simple things (i love urban tribal for that). the rest is OF COURSE important, but not the thing on wich you have to found your dance on, because it's still of dance we're talking about. and of course tribal must have DEEP movements! correct, shaped, skilled movements!

[@realmoon]

I agree this was not bellydance. But when I look at it as an art form unrelated to bellydance, I can like it. Btw if you find her ugly that's a matter of taste, but it has nothing to do with her dancing.

[@johnd39]

I think one problem is that some of the "bellydance community" wants to preserve what scraps there are of belly dance, and put it in a museum - rather than use it for its obvious design for a continual act of a new creation by each dancer.

[@finsterthecat]

The term belly dance is such a broad term. And yes dance does evolve. It is hard when it is someones culutre not to cringe a little when it seems so taken out of context. As much as you want to be creative. Just remember that for some of us it is part of a cultural heritage. My grandfather would have hated it. Personally I like it. I just wish there was a way to educate the public. That this type of bellydance does not represent the culture. That this is a creative outlet instead.

[@YamiSakura007]

this is scarier than f*ck, but DEAR GOD I LOVE IT!!!!

[@finsterthecat]

And going over what you said. This particular show is billed as Gothic. I am referring when you go to a hafla where there are diffrent styles being represented and there is no explanation of what the diffrent style are. So I am not say one style is better than another. Just why not educate the public.

[@johnd39]

When Anaar is involved, if you think you know what she's doing, you probably really don't. The Tao which can be perceived is not the true Tao. ;>

[@evilslinky]

Just because you may not like it, doesn't mean everyone else feels the same. You are welcome to voice your own opinions, but it would be nice if people could be a bit more tactful about it.

[@cavegrl]

"Obviously this is not middle eastern bellydance." Bellydance IS middle eastern dance. I would say its an American version of Middle Eastern Dance.

[@johnd39]

How do you define dance, Nimrodelelf? How do you define performance?

[@VioletScrap]

there's not a correctness on "tribal" itself, cause she is on a stage, not in a temple. and anyway i was not talking about that.

[@sadetanssija]

Stupid question... Which one of the dancers is which?

[@YamiSakura007]

love the music, but i'm still not quite sure what they're doing

[@VioletScrap]

good is defined, controlled, deep movements that impress, catch attention not only because they're sorrounded from impressive music and great costuming, that's not a fashion parade, it's a DANCE PERFORMANCE. You can put everything you want on yourself, say whatever on the meaning of the things you're doing, but quality of movements must remain always high, if you have high claims. she looks goofy most of the time. she has a good potential, i like her in the end. she's just not a good dancer.

[@johnd39]

Ah, I see your problem: you believe there is a single correctness in tribal. I recommend to your reading "In the Neolithic Age" by Rudyard Kipling, it will give you more insight into the basic nature of tribal. Since KZbin won't let me post a link, simply google the phrase in the neolithic age kipling and you can find the poem easily.

[@paledeerwoman]

While I personally don't consider it *belly*dance - this is certainly a form of dance and thus a form of art and performance. If Duchamp's "Fountain" can be art, there is certainly no reason why this cannot be. Also, it's well within your right to express your opinions, but resorting to insulting Tempest as an "ugly woman" is just plain mean and not truly relevant to her skills as a dancer. I believe you were being called a troll for that insult, not simply for your opinion of their dance.

[@Evry1lovesmegadeth]

Top hides their stomach movement so costumes seem to be restricting them..

[@YamiSakura007]

lol had to comment again

[@johnd39]

Since rites in a temple *are* sacred theatre, I think you have a good deal of learning to do before you use words like tribal, temple, and "good" in general relation to dance.

[@VioletScrap]

every movement has its own level of skill. moving your body doesn't mean dancing, means moving your body. Tempest is in my opinion an overstimated "body mover", she has great ideas, but she doesn't know how to make them look good.

[@johnd39]

Define "good".

[@johnd39]

So you're not really saying she's not a good dancer; you're saying that the definition of her dance is incomprehensible to you. You're also defining tribal dance (if you notice, this was tribal fest) must have "deep" movements in order to be "good". Finally, you're defining good dance in tribal style as not including costuming and music. Correct?

[@Darima2]

they lack fluidity so it doesnt really work

[@XenaAmazon]

Sweet!!! :)

[@johnd39]

No, you're a troll because you use ad hominems such as "Tempest is a horribly ugly woman" in supposedly critiquing an art performance.

[@johnd39]

It is not billed as Turkish Belly Dance. It is not billed as Romanian Belly Dance. It is not billed as Arabic Belly Dance. It is not billed as Persian Belly Dance. It is simply billed as Belly Dance. And yes it is a broad term. And the Turkish interpretation differs from the Rom, which differs from the Arab, which differs from the Persian, none of which disrespect any other.