The Federer Forehand Shoulder Secret (How He Does It!!!) | TENNIS FOREHAND

[@TennisEvolution]

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[@fsilber330]

This has been the most effective tip I've seen in a long time. It is correcting so many problems that stemmed from this bad habit, e.g. not swinging forward far enough, not keeping my eye on the ball (especially if my shoulder raised before I made contact), and just not making a big enough swing.

[@TennisEvolution]

Hey! Thanks. I appreciate it. What other type of videos you'd like to see from me in the near future? If you want to learn the 3 mistakes you could me making on your forehand, click here goo.gl/Vbbokw We also have an app that you can download for free courses access. Click here to register >>> tennisevolutionapp.com/register/ 🎾💥🎾💥

[@doosrajawad]

This is such an important tip. I have been comparing footage of my own forehands with those of RF, and my entire torso tilts to the right (1 o clock) on the forehand, and tilts the other way (11 o'clock) as my body uncoils in the followthrough. Roger stays more upright. I tilt the shoulder like Roger does. Now in correcting the body lean, I have to be careful not to lose the shoulder tilt. Body awareness is such an endless journey.

[@TennisEvolution]

Jawad Ali you are so correct!

[@sammuthu1]

Good point. One thing that helps with this is not dropping non-dominant hand too quickly. Keep elbow of non-dominant hand higher will help with this alignment also.

[@TennisEvolution]

iSam Great point

[@russellcorker433]

I watched your lesson and went out and used it today. Big improvement. The shoulder adjustment also improved my distance to the ball naturally, as well as helping my low to high. Great tip. I have watched thousands of KZbin videos, and you are the first to mention this important point. Thank you. Russ from Long Island

[@ian-th7rd]

It's not an exaggeration when someone says that this takes the forehand to a whole other level instantly....been doing this for 3 days and is probably the best tip for a forehand that I've heard so far

[@TennisEvolution]

That's awesome to read Ian! Keep it up ;).

[@JamesBermingham]

Thank you. Great video and seldomly trained. And how do you train this motion? Answer: On the back swing, take the non dominant arm up and out, under the chin, parallel to the baseline if facing the net. This will automatically lower the hitting shoulder into a “tilted shoulder” position before hitting the ball.

[@fibo2459]

Great tip, Jeff. I struggled mightily with my forehand during the first competition after a 3-month lockdown. This tip will help me drive again freely.

[@TennisEvolution]

Thank you Carl! Glad you're back on the court. Let me know how this tip works for you. Jeff.

[@OBat6175]

Wow.. that is really a great tip... my forehand improved almost instantly!

[@TennisEvolution]

This is music to my ears! Thank you for watching Oliver. What other types of lessons would you like to see from me in the near future? Jeff.

[@clpereira]

Hi, very clear presentation thank you. I really started getting the angle when in started squeezing my right lat as the final stretch (pat the dog). The lata are our strongest muscle In our body per pound. If you squeeze you have to dip.

[@lalameinc]

Great Lesson! I really liked that you mentioned about keepong the head down through contact as Roger is the best there ever as at doing that.

[@TennisEvolution]

Glen Schneer he totally is

[@lcervantes8505]

Keep watching this as maintenance. Old school lessons barked at me come full circle...drop your shoulder. Keeps the arm in the socket for more strength and control. I love when stuff works.

[@TennisEvolution]

L Cervantes awesome 👏🏻

[@LinhTran-gf5yv]

I did as your instructed, my swings improved right away, Love from California

[@errorcode1133]

Great video Jeff. But maybe there is an easier explanation? If you imagine accelerating arm and racquet by rotating shoulders, it's easy to see that racquet will move approximately in the shoulder plane, it will kind of draw a circle around the axis of your body rotation. If you want to swing horizontally, keep that rotation axis vertical. If you want to lift the ball up, tilt the axis towards the ball, and your swing will go down-up. Or, in other words if you allowed natural mechanics to work (didn't muscle), there is no way to make a topspin shot in your strike zone with your dominant shoulder up. Playing with the monkey drum before attempting to hit a forehand helps too :D.

[@Michaelmouse23]

@Tennis Evolution, thanks for the advice. I tried to put this into action but I kept mis-timing the ball and ended up doing Nadal lasso forehand on my side. Any tips there to hit the ball in front ?

[@Ray_eddi]

Gold and not available elsewhere with such quality delivery!

[@samm8479]

This really worked for me. Thank you!

[@TennisEvolution]

Awesome! You’re welcome.

[@drgeraldnickerson7724]

You’re awesome JSalzy! You’ve just unleashed a weapon.Thank you for unlocking my forehand. You’re the man JSalzy! Can you make a video relating these body mechanic principles to unlocking the serve? 😎👍🏿👏🏿💪🏿🎾🔥💯

[@Neil2000fc]

Great video, helps to break it down, I am stuck as well as you stated at the beginning, and I am missing that part

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[@musarra195]

Jeff - thx for the tips here. I play a lot of golf too so I can relate to keeping those shoulders tilted. Perhaps you could provide a follow up video to the weighting of the legs. Loading the back leg and transferring to the front leg. I feel like that would compliment this video. Thank you again.

[@neurodavidus]

Thank you so much Jeff. I have a decent technic but in competition, due to stress and the fear of missing, I do that exact mistake you are describing. I loose a lot of power and waste a lot of energy. I think your tip today on shoulder/body alignement is going to help. Best regards from France!

[@TennisEvolution]

neurodavidus you are welcome :). Let me know how it goes !

[@stackems666]

Thank you Jeff, I've come back to this video many times. I know this lesson is correct, I just need to keep re-learning it 😂

[@muhamadmubarok3919]

True. That's the secret. I have done it wrong so far. Thanks for the video. Now my forehand is approaching Federer's level.

[@TennisEvolution]

You're welcome Muhamad! Thanks for your comment.

[@Victoriamook]

Great tip Jeff... how come there's no wind screen on the fence behind you... Thanks.. Ravi.Gill :)

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Nang Voe Phong because it’s still winter in Denver and I’m at a park that doesn’t use them

[@lengottfried8814]

Wow! I've had days when my forehand felt powerful and controlled and I bet that this is what I was doing without knowing it. Thanks Jeff!

[@TennisEvolution]

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[@AirplaneGuy90]

thanks Jeff, that's a game changer. any tips on body alignment/shoulder tilt for the one hand and two hand backhand and slice bh? thank u

[@TennisEvolution]

TIM S you are welcome. I can do a video on that!

[@jamesleung89]

Great tip, Jeff. Thanks for sharing

[@TennisEvolution]

You're welcome James! Thanks for watching.

[@eduardomt3823]

Hi Jeff. Why Roger's racquet tends to tilt after ball contact?

[@udayanbhanot2509]

To keep the dominant shoulder down you have to ensure the ball is hit before it reaches a certain height. So, what comes first?? Finding and striking that ball while still relatively low, or focusing on the shoulders’ angle? I think the former is the cause, not the latter.

[@jessalvo6375]

Good point Jeff. Many will benefit from this.

[@TennisEvolution]

Jes Salvo thank you 🙏🏻 here to help!

[@tandinh5293]

WOW great tip Jeff! You do really well explaining the nuances

[@1114gabby]

Jeff you are just an excellent teacher. So do you think executing this correctly this is a result of keeping the head still at impact or do you want students more tuned into shoulder level...or both?

[@TennisEvolution]

James Peters thank you 🙏🏻. I would focus on the head !

[@vanmichael1042]

I really enjoy this video. Many thanks! Keep going, Mr.Jeff.

[@TennisEvolution]

Van Michael I will I will. Thank you 🙏🏻

[@현희준-y2k]

Thank you!! It helps a lot !!

[@TennisEvolution]

You're welcome! Glad to hear that ;)

[@lowgascostsorangeman2688]

You're a great teacher. Did you ever play the Laser Tournament in Amarillo, Texas?

[@TennisEvolution]

PABLO SOTO thank you! I played a challenger in Amarillo :). Please share this video with others...

[@mohitbhat8041]

You’re the best coach ever!! I improved so much from all of your videos. Thanks a lot

[@Looii5]

Oh wow, I’ll be trying this out! But just doing shadow swings, I immediately feel it gets the racket below the ball to get net clearance!

[@Looii5]

It works! I played a match today and only hit one forehand in the net! Plus I used the “elbow the enemy” technique on the serve and that works too! Thanks a million!

[@aiyka_music]

I'm guessing that because Roger uses an eastern grip, that makes him take the balls much earlier and lower and hence the shoulder angle

[@TennisEvolution]

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[@MauricioRSFit]

Jeff, can you please elaborate on how the shoulder angle might change if the ball is higher than the strike zone you discussed in the video? Thanks!

[@TennisEvolution]

Andrew Mauricio sure thing!

[@TennisEvolution]

brent smith the shoulders will stay level and you must use your legs and feet efficiently

[@Bascomblodge]

Good job. Hardly anyone talks about this.

[@mchammer74]

Very detailed analysis. Thank you for that.

[@TennisEvolution]

MC Hammer you are welcome. Please share with others

[@krakatoa_8180]

Thanks coach for the great tip

[@TennisEvolution]

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[@DrLamey]

Coaches say to treat your two handed backhand like a left handed forehand. I don’t see the pros hitting the two handed with the left shoulder below the right. Any thoughts?

[@TennisEvolution]

Dr.Lamey it depends on the style and the height of the ball. I’ve seen Agassi do it

[@namae190]

Hi Jeff (and others), I have a question even though this was posted a year ago. So I was always told to finish with elbow high because that's what sends the ball high over the net and deep toward baseline. My forehand, even though it has decent amount of pace and topspin, had often landed short, just past the baseline, and was only great for wide angles. Not much of a threat for higher percentage shots, so I am working on finishing with my elbow high. from trying it in the living room, it seems like my right shoulder always end up higher than the left by the time my torso is squared. Also, I have always been told to create space between my upper arm/elbow and my torso. Now you are telling me to feel my ribs? Can you explain the distinction here?

[@chiraagtimilsina8394]

I want to learn more from you! Thank you! You're a great coach!

[@TennisEvolution]

Chiraag Timilsina thank you :)

[@howardchang6073]

Super glad to see this video. I'll try it and hope it can solve my problem. Thanks a lot!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[@TennisEvolution]

Howard Chang awesome! Please share his video with others

[@preetpalchopra]

U describe things beautifully...thanks Jeff.

[@cbjose28]

Seems like dropping the dominant shoulder may cause us to lean back a bit? I'm not sure if I do this or not but if I consciously do this, that's what it feels like...

[@kingtrawal]

But why? What exactly is the tilted shoulder doing? Is it allowing more extension?

[@alexandergeorgiev2631]

Is this applicable to a semi-western/western grip?

[@chicojesssie]

Amazing tip!!! Thank you!!!

[@TennisEvolution]

You're welcome!

[@edgekrseo2441]

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[@musarra195]

Jeff - I would also think that your tip really allows these guys to get airborne and generate huge amounts of racquet head speed without the fear of the ball going long.

[@claudiocaffa9198]

you're awesome...i'm italiana sorry for my english......you're tips are very helpful.....i thank you very much....

[@TennisEvolution]

claudio caffa I thank you for the support!

[@scottcrav1]

Great information---thanks Jeff

[@TennisEvolution]

Scott Craven welcome

[@robertmitchell7357]

Jeffe', I tried this, I was spraying forehands long all day. But I am in. I dreamed of Roger the other night. We were in a convertible mercedes. He was driving and turned to me and said, "Are you really critical of yourself?" "Sometimes, I am critical of myself and it leads to other criticisms. " "You hide it really well,:" he said, We were around a bunch of people, and I found it exciting that of all the people who played tennis, he was better than everybody(that I played with, and Jeff Salzenstein too).

[@yugechoe1868]

Oh, Jeff! You opened my eyes! Thank you!

[@TennisEvolution]

Yuge Choe you are welcome :)

[@mikehardwicke23]

Excellent biomechanics. I tell my golf pupils that the golfswing is almost identical to the correctly executed forehand.

[@TennisEvolution]

Nice Mike!

[@securityfamily]

I've noticed this when I'm hitting a court-wide forehand that the shoulder is naturally lower and the swing is a natural pendulum-like swing.

[@TennisEvolution]

Bob Pietrs cool!

[@Findyourgame]

It's a product of hitting off the dominant side foot. It is very natural to align the spine and shoulders in balance with where your weight is on your feet and this is why many do this....because they are hitting open and semi open stance forehands, the weight will be on the right foot. With your weight on your right foot, it is natural to align the spine and shoulders on that side. Conversely, this is why the shoulder tilt is not opposite on the backhand, which is because it is more common to hit neutral stance, but still have the weight on the right foot for right handed players. Cilic and many align the spine and shoulders towards the side your weight is on on the BH side...unless like you say the ball is outside the strike zone.

[@Findyourgame]

Forgot to finish my point.lol. The reason rec players lift their dominate side early is because they pull off early instead of staying on their right side through the contact. Thus, this is very much a footwork and balance issue. It is important to understand root cause before making swing mechanic changes.

[@chepe844]

and when the ball is coming over the head...how should be the shoulder with a high ball? (Sorry for my bad english)

[@TennisEvolution]

chepe844 don’t know what you mean

[@chepe844]

ok, is dificult to explain here, but i will try again.... if the ball comes a little over the shoulder... how should be the shoulders in that situation? \ or / jeje, imagine that the simbols backslash (\) and the slash (/) are the shoulders of federer, thats is i want to mean. (again, sorry for my bad english) and Excellent video teacher!!!

[@TennisEvolution]

chepe844 level

[@robertmitchell7357]

Hey Jeffe', Josh Rosen UCLA quarterback who is about to be drafted in the first round(maybe by the Broncos) was at 14 the number one tennis player in 14 and under in California. How bout' that?

[@mniks8860]

Holy cow!

[@TennisEvolution]

Robert Mitchell that is amazing

[@Ianding666]

Feel like this happens naturally when leading the forehand swing with the shoulder instead of the arm

[@TennisEvolution]

That's nice Ian!

[@ricardofedericopineyropell2214]

Instructivamente de yo mejor que to he podido encontrar en la net! Thanks!!!

[@TennisEvolution]

You're welcome Ricardo. Muchas gracias por tu comentario. Que otro tipo de videos te gustaria ver en nuestro canal en un futuro cercano?

[@ricardofedericopineyropell2214]

@@TennisEvolution Saludos. Bueno, ya que me da la oportunidad de pedir algo en específico. Tengo una inquietud en particular. Me cuenta mi entrenador que mi servicio tiene el nombre de american twist (no sabia que mi servicio tenia nombre!), por lo que deseo aprender a sacar mas plano, ósea, con el agarre continental. Si pudieras hacer un video que me ayudara al cambio se lo agradecería muchísimo. Muchas gracias.

[@soevjaanoemar2761]

Jeff is king of Solution

[@TennisEvolution]

Thank you! Appreciate your kind words. What other type of lessons you'd like to see from me in the near future? Jeff.

[@ronniemcinerney3273]

Great tip Jeff!

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Ronnie Mcinerney thank you

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Ronnie Mcinerney please share our channel with others:)

[@angelicadau8122]

Wow, great tips!!!!! Thank you 🎾

[@TennisEvolution]

angelica dau my pleasure

[@wingchunmann]

Good tip for a better forehand!

[@TennisEvolution]

Thanks! Glad you liked it :)

[@lcervantes8505]

Dropping the shoulder I think also helps keep the racquet head up.

[@ruslanbekukh3702]

Brilliant tip - it works perfectly!!!

[@chandravythilingam3647]

This is completely true ,if this doesn't take place naturally or not taught process will stifle.

[@TennisEvolution]

Chandra Vythilingam thank you!

[@emjay2045]

But what about the high balls to the forehand ?? How does one align the shoulders ?

[@farafabdel5236]

Great tips thanks

[@TennisEvolution]

farouz abdelmoula you are welcome and please share with the video with others

[@RomanoAmericano]

Wow. Amazing Jeff!!!! Thank you!!!!!

[@TennisEvolution]

RomanoAmericano you are welcome ! Please share this video with others :)

[@jorgewsanabria]

My god! Dam great tip! I can't believe it! Just the Tip I'm needing now! I had the problem that my balls goes away. This is one of a series of tip that I need to correct! Thanks Jeff!

[@TennisEvolution]

Jorge Sanabria thank you ! Let me know how it goes :)

[@ericgultom3929]

I like the “focus on feeling the side,,” not hip nor shoulder feeling,,,

[@petervanorden3784]

Great Jeff, thanks.

[@TennisEvolution]

Peter Vanorden you are welcome !

[@stratguitarman7831]

excellent tip! works!

[@evoii323]

Wow great vid

[@TennisEvolution]

evoii323 thank you 🙏🏻

[@deep_pixel]

What racket is that?

[@TennisEvolution]

Hey Daniel. It's a Babolat pure drive

[@tendmkt4024]

Put it this way..nothing is ever 'wrong' on the tennis court..just less effective...as they say..theres many ways to skin a cat...but id rather skin it like fed!..great vid

[@TennisEvolution]

tns pyer Thanks 🙏🏻

[@AmericanRoads]

So conclusion: armpit-sniffing forehand is a big NO NO.

[@TennisEvolution]

American Roads correct !

[@eliastieleniuskruythoff7588]

Usefull, thanks!

[@TennisEvolution]

You're welcome Elias. Thank you for watching. What other types of lessons you'd like to see from me in the near future? Jeff.

[@jameshuang304]

Hi Jeff, how to hit powerful shoulder height forehands? I can hit really good forehands when the ball is at waist level, but when my opponent hits really spinny high bouncing balls, I loose the power! BTW does the non-dominant shoulder higher than dominant shoulder principle apply to high balls? If yes, how is it done, is that even possible? P.S I'm the 4 a.m guy from Taiwan at your last live session talking about Sharapova haha

[@KaptainOW]

James Huang Well, I’m no expert however, yes the dominant shoulder should still be higher than the non dominant, even on high balls. However I would turn my waist a bit more than you normally would, and swing from low to high. When you follow through, either try to finish around shoulder height, do a windshield wiper, or if you are looking to return with a lot of top spin, go with a buggy whip.

[@jameshuang304]

That's a clear instructive advice, thanks for replying! I will definitely try that on court next time!

[@deathbombs]

Unique tip, I like it

[@mateoagustinbrouchy5941]

Can u do a how to hit a forehand like rafa? Thanks jeff!!!

[@TennisEvolution]

Rafa Fan what specifically do you want to know ?

[@mateoagustinbrouchy5941]

Tennis Evolution i would like to know the keys to hit his massive topspin.

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Rafa Fan 👌

[@megt9505]

Wow amazing thank you 💝

[@celinapenteado1556]

Thanks for the tip

[@TennisEvolution]

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[@IQWiz]

Great video! I just noticed a typo in the title. It would be great if you could change it! It involves the word, “does”. 😃 😃

[@TennisEvolution]

Yes, we are on it!

[@wenjunli2006]

good tips

[@OldSkoolLegend]

It's more to do with footwork, giving yourself ample space to hit the ball and prepping the torque from the waist. This CREATES THE TILTED SHOULDER. You don't deliberately tilt the shoulder. lol

[@TennisEvolution]

OldSkool good call

[@aristodim8919]

Nice video

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[@brianb336]

Thank you

[@92edro]

The dreaded chicken wing! Really valuable info right here, the wonky elbow and shoulder is a true forehand killer

[@TennisEvolution]

Thanks Dee. That's right ;) Jeff.

[@chicojesssie]

Like stack and tilt in golf

[@didanhtennis]

Another good video.

[@TennisEvolution]

didanhtennis think you :)

[@watcher687]

Jeff, have you known this for years or is it something you have noticed recently while watching Federer playing? Just curious.

[@seankim7667]

wow. problem solved. thank you!!!!!!!!!!!

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Sean Kim so cool! You are welcome. Please share this video with others :)

[@deanma7399]

I think your arm is a bit too close your body which cause you need to twist the body for balance.

[@cacaoperesoso732]

The other main reason Feder is dropping his shoulder is because he can assure himself of adding spin given his grip type...hope this helps