Terran Saltlord Wrestles With Reality | Salt Mines #24 - StarCraft 2

Salt Mines: Everyone has encountered a salty or BM opponent on the StarCraft ladder before. UPLOAD YOUR REPLAY TO drop.sc/upload then send the link to [e-mail] along with “Salt Mines” in the title + in the body of the email add your IGN & Rank & What happened in the game to make them salty.
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[@pudgypoultry]

Just saw this! Thank you for showing this one! I had a great time watching my gameplay and getting my gameplay criticized :D I HAVE learned how to micro Vikings at this point, and at this point I do try to keep my turrets to very specific locations and only when I know they'll be useful now! I do, however, have a fetish for those turrets. They're just so phallic. Happy new year!

[@50sorrowC]

Well played, Poultry! The turrets placements were hilarious yet proved to be very efficient! GG.

[@LyuboRyuk]

You are a star!

[@MisterNightfish]

Hey, the turrets worked, didn't they? Keep building them until they no longer work. Adapt to your environment! This is what birds have done for aeons.

[@CFlandre]

A couple of months late, but well done poultry. That was a SATISFYING experience.

[@TheRealXartaX]

I honestly think there's nothing wrong with throwing down some extra turrets if you're not a GM player. They just cost like 1.5 marines. And the amount of air harass happening in most games make it so that if you're not able to identify that it's coming, it's better to waste the minerals to have it than to not have them when you need them. You're way better off improving your macro and micro than cutting some corners like that. Unless you're in GM you're not in a situation where those couple of marines difference of minerals is going to be what decided who won. I think some dude made it to Master just spamming hellions to showcase how important macro is, lol. When you get good enough to reliably scout (and understand what you're scouting) when enemy air is going to come, that's when you can start cutting corners and only build them when necessary.

[@zaklee11]

This was a spiritual experience I felt so happy for pudgy

[@Tawnos_]

I hope folks like SneakyTurtle see these videos and realize that they're not the hero of anyone's story, even their own, because they are full of self-loathing that they project onto others.

[@135791max]

​@Tawnos_ I think about stuff like that as well. Like I wonder if people like sneaky can look back at an experience like this and realize that unlike him calling pudgy a "f*****", pudgy was not throwing an empty insult by calling him homophobic, he was making a genuine observation that he is a terrible human being. But I think not, I don't think anyone makes its decades into life acting like this, and have a sudden revelation because they watch a KZbin video where it is universally agreed they are a disgusting person. They will usually just lie to themselves that people are conspiring against them, and that they are still in the right.

[@Tawnos_]

@@135791max I've got a good friend named Max who makes similarly astute observations. You're spot-on, despite the fact it makes me sad that so few people have the self-reflection to say "I was wrong and frustrated and am seeking help to get better." OTOH, without those people how would we have salt mine episodes?

[@PiGstarcraft]

I don't know if I've ever had a win that felt as good as this must have felt

[@Tawnos_]

@@PiGstarcraft I know I did and how impactful such wins can be. It was 2003, the game was Warcraft 3: The Frozen Throne. Playing 2v2 with my best friend against raging, rude opponents on Lost Temple. Those turnaround victories stick with you for life :D

[@Compulsive_LARPer]

These two games were actually more interesting and had better characters, plot twists and dialogue than 90% of the garbage being rolled out by today's streaming services. I love you, Pudgy poultry (not as much as I love Flo, but still). You should watch Pig's Bronze to GM guides, as you definitely have the potential and attitude needed to greatly benefit from them. Kisses, mate!

[@boopbooperson1654]

What do you mean? This was a perfect example of today's dialogue.

[@MrYago-xd7um]

@@boopbooperson1654 No no "hoqu" was 2020 fresh content with late 90's seasoning without being a part of the Marvel universal. Truly better than Markliplier.

[@xanderblackstar8236]

SneakyTurtle: "I'm a decent player" Also SneakyTurtle ... lifts all buildings and tries to hide to prolong the end.

[@allanturmaine5496]

But what if Pudgy had deleted his army? Then you can land and rebuild. It might happen.

[@VoltsAnBolts]

@@allanturmaine5496 that clearly wasn't the case, he had clearly lost and was just being a dickhead. You don't argue a point based on what ifs, you argue what actually happened. The guy is clearly a massive prick.

[@PTFM-v9m]

Lifting of when loosing is just standard Terran play at the bottom of the ladder.

[@allanturmaine5496]

@@VoltsAnBolts so was I

[@ZerglingLover]

also threatens to murder his opponent for not leaving while he was winning

[@kyleevans5806]

I love how PudgyPoultry didn't say a word until the end was in sight knowing the nature of his opponent from one previous encounter

[@jaybyhop]

57:44 "Give Me your address." "Check you moms house." "Good one." *no response for twenty seconds* Yeah, that was a good one lol

[@PiGstarcraft]

haha twas the perfect response

[@dollface2907]

i would give an address of a police station and watch the idiot try to find me XD

[@Markfr0mCanada]

Pig: "Why do players keep building silver league turrets?!?!??" Pig 2 minutes later: "And the turret is zoning out the medivac!" "And the liberator goes down to the silver league turrets!"

[@neomone1989]

I think this is why people have such a hard time getting off silver league turrets - they see them "working" not realising there are far more efficient ways of achieving the same effect. But still, a win is a win. Better random turrets than no AA or detection at all.

[@Robothuck]

i build my turrets like this , i only started playing a few weeks ago. Its because one of my first ever loss was to a liberator behind my mineral line, but now i know i can put them further out as long as i cover the sneaky map edges. great advice

[@Niosus]

Maybe a hot take, but I also don't mind building a few extra spores. Sure, with proper micron it's not needed and I can simply move my queens between bases. But while that saves minerals, it costs attention and APM. Building an extra spore or two when you know the enemy is going air just shuts all that harass down immediately, so I can focus of my macro. Even in diamond you'll see people fly in once or twice to probe for a weakness, and then just stop trying at all. Not everyone plays to reach GM. This may suck against a GM, but I'm happy doing it in diamond.

[@masktuxedo77]

I usually build a turret or two behind mineral line if I scouted an incoming lib harrassment and I have no viking. The reason is Im not sure if the turret in the mineral line would reach them if the siege from behind. And at my level the reaction time is quite slow that I would lose at least 5 - 6 before I have time to evacuate. Against muta or banshee I do build a turret or two in the mineral line instead.

[@wruzzer]

@@Niosus that's the thing. people always say this is good and this is bad based on pro games. most people are not pro tho and never wanna reach gm, like u said. as long as it works, it's good.

[@ArdenMagnum]

Somehow, this was the most tense pair of SC2 games I've ever watched. The whole second game had me in white-knuckled anxiety, rooting for Pudgypoultry to overcome that deranged bag of hammers. Maybe I was just projecting my younger self onto Pudgy, especially after PiG's comments about remembering what it's like to be new to RTS games. I certainly remember being this new and running into people like SneakyTurtle online, but I was never able to overcome them. Pudgy though, they grit their teeth, focused on the game instead of the chat, and then Florencio-style drilled a hole in Turtle's shell and filled it with leeches--man, it's a kind of justice my kid self never got. It's incredibly cathartic, and I'm so damn glad Pudgypoultry came out on top and got to lay out those spicy retorts at the end. Pudgy's got my respect and my gratitude for weathering through, and my best wishes on their climb up the ladder. Despite all that however, I hope SneakyTurtle gets some help or something because holy shit--there's tasty salt, and then there's unrestrained psychopathic hatred. This ain't the world championships, there's nothing on the line here except your time and whatever ego you put on display. Death threats over two lost matches in a game that's nearly 13 years old is beyond extreme.

[@PiGstarcraft]

Totally feel that mate. Feels so good to overcome these players that act like cartoon villains

[@BluntInnit]

MOST EPIC SC SERIES EVER. THIS IS PEAK SC2! WHAT A ROLLERCOASTER!

[@jamesn.5721]

Game 1 truly had everything it needed to be a good salt mines cast: > TvT > Initially nice and friendly banter turning sour > Low metal leagues > double negative insults also really funny to see how the roles just flat out swapped in game 2

[@stephencraig3176]

the roles didnt swap? Sneakyturtle was super salty both games. otherwise agreed this was a good episode :)

[@Undefined14]

They switched colors, that might be what you're thinking of

[@TripAyes]

I've binge watched the entire salt mines several times and this is far and away my favorite.

[@fluffyfang4213]

SneakyTurtle is probably the best example of "play like pros, ignore fundamentals" you could ever hope for. He's so focused on the game ending like a pro game, he's forgotten how to actually win the game.

[@TheHuffur]

Exactly, the reason the pro's tap out of games is not because they are well mannered, they recognize that the other player is SKILLED enough to efficiently and quickly put the game to an end from this point(though even pro's sometimes give up too quickly). There is not a single pro that would GG out of a game if they still thought they had a chance of winning it.

[@memermcmemeson8809]

@@TheHuffur Unless that pro is Idra

[@-entr0pY]

Also types like a pro in the early sc2 pro scene omegalul

[@sillyking1991]

no...including pros like idra. the idra GG was a result of idra thinking he couldn't possibly win. he just misread the game. VERY different thing@@memermcmemeson8809

[@TheThaelina]

A whole hour this time! I'm in love with this playlist.

[@justanothersteve2246]

Weird how a match can be both entertaining and hard to watch. We need more of this.

[@tokudayo]

ikr

[@LyuboRyuk]

@@tokudayo yik more of this place

[@hansgerch4571]

Turtle is obviously used to campaign missions: The opponent may only rebuild the buildings you siege, not allowed to expand elsewhere... So if you slowly siege his mainbase you'll crawl yourself to victory

[@hanneswiggenhorn2023]

But he played one ranked match afterwards where he got beaten by liberator harassment

[@Win32error854]

This was a great one. Not only some real salt, but a completely new definition of the word winning.

[@fundamentalconvolution1749]

I'm just glad that poultry won, I was worried quite a few times. Thankfully turtle boy there had the military acumen of a floating turd lol.

[@jiayojames]

I think sneaky turtle needs to find a new name, there's no coming back from this.

[@Lazrool]

SaltyTurtle

[@thefrub]

SneakyTurtle is one of the default Blizzard names, there's a ton of players in SC and also OW with that name

[@brotoss9687]

its just awesome that he is accusing other dude of BM after insulting him nonstop.. you love to see it.

[@ChannelMath]

bc to him BM means macro

[@pyramear5414]

BM = Basic Macro

[@mohammedalsma266]

This is just peak of salt mines so far, or should I say the deepest 🤔

[@rogirek3362]

"Even the faction that can build planetaries... 'should attack that with six roaches'." -Infestor

[@vincentlefur4490]

i want a pre show at the next offline tournament with these two as guests. a best of 3 between the two of them on stage would be legendary 😂😂

[@Orimthekeyacolite]

As a martial artist, I've learned to use this "HAHAHA" tactics in real life all the time and you'd be surprised how many potential fights can be deescalated by just laughing it off

[@danjayson1]

I fear not the man who has laughed at 10,000 jokes once, but I fear the man who has laughed at one joke 10,000 times

[@relaxingtopology256]

Man, this was beautiful. This is Perfect Karma, and a lesson in endurance.

[@anotherplatypus]

It really was a joy. Looks like like PudgyPoultry intended to drop the mike with that sweet satisfying smack-talk as he finished him off.... The bm dude overreacted like someone parodying a loathing hate-filled internet troll. So it's ironically pitying he's trying hard to hurt other people emotionally, and sucks at as well, because it makes him seem utterly miserable.

[@ShadowKstr]

I came here for salt, and I also got a side of drama infused commentary. More please!

[@leighbyford635]

Turtle is so narcissistic that he cannot internalise any failure. To the point where his position is so askew to reality. He genuinely thought Pudgy was the BM person in this situation.

[@sillyking1991]

to be fair, he isn't entirely wrong. there is a certain level on the ladder where it genuinely considered bad mannered to stay in the game if things went as badly as they did for poultry there at the beginning of the second game. *but* thats because by staying in you're essentially implying that your opponent doesn't have the skill to go for the throat and finish you off. that said when your opponent shows that they're not really fond of...finishing you off when they have the chance then there's no reason to give them that credit. Love it when people whine about "how the game is played" without actually understanding *why* its played that way. good stuff. (not referring to you, im talking about turtle. just to be clear) and obviously in the frist game there was only one brief moment where turtle had the opportunity to win, and that was right after he broken the entrance to poultry's base...and then just took his army home. once he decided to leave he was behind...because poultry was way ahead on economy.

[@bramo1825]

A salt mine rematch *chef's kiss* ...The laughs gained from this added years to my life 😂

[@greenseer6]

that zero health marine at 31:18 is greatest hero

[@LyuboRyuk]

Hahaha

[@wherethetatosat]

Pudgy's silver league turrets work because it is silver league. Sneaky sees how effective turrets are because he keeps losing units to them so he wants some too. Except he doesn't realize that Pudgy isn't using solely air units...because silver league XD

[@lynk5902]

5:20 FatCoc...I mean Pudgypoultry has been hit by a seiged liberator behind his lines too many times and decided that the minerals wasted building those turrets is far less than the loss of his entire mineral line because he can't react to that liberator while doing anything else anywhere on the map.

[@Madmouse3400]

I've only been playing SC2 for like 6 months but that was both painful and satisfying to watch. Wow! Props to Pig for narrating for an entire hour some of the best, worst SC. May your brain recover quickly to bring us more salt to flavor our lives.

[@scBruteforce]

I think the silver league turrets counts as confirmation bias. Look I got damage not look I could have gotten better damage. Also a whole hour of salt mines is this the mythic xmas miracle people speak of?

[@Mr.Spongecake]

I love the tonal shift at 36:06 "Shout-out to this player as a player who's not high level to go out ex... *_WHY ARE WE BUILDING MORE MISSILE TURRETS?!"_*

[@Burred11]

Kudos to Pudgypoultry for not using the select all army button.

[@LyuboRyuk]

XD

[@zachariastsampasidis8880]

I don't think he knows it exists

[@jonnozomboid2649]

Watching that second game gave me stomach ulcers and filled me with a nameless dread.

[@gavingrobbelaar7025]

"The macro-powers of a piece of wet spaghetti"

[@lucius8675]

"Win better" is the best reponse ever. Btw Spicy meatball is a quote from an old commercial. Guy eats too many spicy meatball and he needs alka seltzer to calm his stomach down so he can finish commercial. Its usually used as more of a "that was alot huh" or literally for somethingis hot. Sneaky is either old or a lover of old comedy movies.

[@oponomo]

I could watch pudgypoultry beat sneakyturtle in an endless series for the rest of my life and it would always be a pleasure.

[@gismo3564]

"Fiddling with my liberator " might be my new favorite expression!

[@LordMephilis]

Man this takes me back to my halo 3 and SC 1 days, I love it.

[@gamble3055]

Oh my god this episode was just pure gold :D

[@matzed1518]

AHHH the timing just done binging the hole series! and more salt emerges from the depth of unspiced youtube content...perfect!

[@Laezar1]

lol, pig litterally ends this one telling you not to binge =p

[@jetmanisme]

Great point on getting the fundamentals down vs. trying to do what the pros do. It reminds me of chess. Instead of trying to learn the newest lines of the Catalan or Grunfeld, for most players, it's better to work on basic tactics and finding an opening they're comfortable with and understand.

[@lukasmisanthrop8557]

this video taught me that life is actually quite okay

[@LyuboRyuk]

So funny, nice games! LoL Never give up - is my moto. I also like to see a lot of battles, comebacks and working on different units... And the game ends with marins lol was this planned to insult the opponent? As worst than that could be only attacking with SCV or moving in command centers lol

[@LeoJakeMaxi]

This was lovely, Poetry in motion, a masterpiece of RTS.

[@poisty21]

That was truly glorious salt mine content.

[@disieh]

The thing with silver league turrets though. At this level when you have no eco, no production or both there's several things that happen. Drops fly through the turrets. This wouldn't be an issue if you had 5 rax and 2 factories making reinforcements or had army positioned close enough. On this level neither of these are true. Turrets are also badly placed so banshees and libs tend to find gaps through. So yeah, while generally a terrible idea, there is a reason why people build those silver league turrets. That being said, there's no explanation for game 2 especially. My god.

[@ericjeffrey3233]

SneakyTurtle is gonna get real disappointed to know that in sports you don’t automatically win when you are ahead before halftime. They should change the name to CockyHare it’s more fitting

[@jkobain]

I've never seen nor heard of the turtle mating with a shoe before you mentioned it. I had to pause and find that video to fill my competence gap, and when I returned, you proceeded with those squeaky sounds I couldn't help but laugh. Yeah, such a good analogy.

[@ckviper1337]

Absolutely LOVED this one! Good on you, Mr. Fat Chicken. :)

[@blaizellee4441]

I need a best of 5 between these 2 lmao

[@zephyrsEdge]

Just what my breakfast needed, some salt. If only it wasn't a chicken biscuit.

[@theswiss9063]

I love watching games like this. Truly outstanding:)

[@sferree28]

"Check your mom's house" bahahahaha that made this super painful to watch second game worth it

[@朕是神]

4:55 it's called the dunnign kruger effect.

[@Bourinos02]

That was some insane saltmine episode, nice!

[@daryl9214]

Honestly the best Starcraft video I have ever seen. What an epic game. and with such tasty salt too. perfection.

[@Denuhm]

PiG as a gay person, I just want to acknowledge that you engaged with the homophbia in this video, it's really nice to see someone of your profile point out how infintile it is to say things like that while also not minimising the fact that it happened and was normal at one point. There is nothing wrong with being gay, it's not an insult and using slurs against anyone is stupid. Have a great holday season!

[@tempprofile6715]

Most people who are homophobic are still in the closet.

[@rhealgagnon1460]

Wow gtfo we don't care

[@Santisima_Trinidad]

@Jim Harrington gamer moment. And nah, being gay is only an insult to people who think being gay is a bad thing, regardless of there sexuality.

[@PiGstarcraft]

thnx mate, happy holidays!

[@Contractor48]

Being gay is gay. Why are you gay?

[@awtano]

Some of the most painful games of SC2 I have ever seen!! I liked it.

[@DELTA104X]

oh man i am so fucking grateful that you started this series

[@WeightlessFlex]

As i've started getting slightly better I realized one point of obstacle for me was getting up the starports and dealing with air. That third step I would often forget. It is easier and more comfortable to just put up turrets and hope they can deal with flying units without your APM. Unfortunately it sucks as a strat

[@chinchillax1483]

1 entire hour of salty goodness?? Bring it on 😎

[@DrummerJacob]

This may have been the most painful game of SC2 Ive ever witnessed.

[@KumarBendrake]

Very amusing. Thanks for casting this one.

[@space302]

What a saga ! I can't wait for Episode 3 : Revenge of the Shitdick. Maybe even an spinoff series about SneakyTurtle's mom

[@plunderersparadise]

3:24 - my fav commentary moment of Pig

[@mihalypeti]

there is a moment in an older slatmines where a widow mine clears an entire mineral line and Pig dies wheezying "instant karma"

[@aussj4link214]

The one theme with this channel is watching replays from new players and being surprised when they play like new players.

[@Myztic_Beard]

Pudgy the bronze league legend!!! Go pudgy!

[@jomanu]

This kind of battles are gold! Its good watch pro players, but this is amazing!

[@dirkbester9050]

"A well mannered player would gg when losing." Doesn't gg.

[@Foxy_proxy]

If there was a award for "salt harvester" this guy would get it.

[@ToneFuentes]

The Victoria Secret Model analogy was pure gold!

[@MinDeRien2658]

A whole HOUR? Oh this is making my whole week :D

[@marinauder]

12:14 how poetic that Sneaky's nickname turned red LMAO

[@MaiAolei]

I enjoy how PiG mocks the silver league turrets every time they are built, and every. single. time. they come into play and do something useful.

[@gregpaul882]

The monkeypox part made me laugh though. That was a good one.

[@vincentpager-mercier7437]

That game had me on the edge of my seat XD

[@auzor5900]

I wanted to see the final vehicle factory get cornered with mass turrets as the final insult. LOL

[@peterjansen4826]

Hilarious, I love it. :) Justice got served. both of these players have incredibly bad macro but Pudgy won deservedly. "I lost because you did not GG", quite the brainfog.

[@jtsoldier]

Isn't it amazing how people who value their own time so much they'll get abusive towards another human often go on to waste their own time? If I was Pudgy I'd probably let him float his barracks til the draw timer popped up, just to assert dominance...

[@joelsherman2855]

This was the best episode of Salt mines!!

[@stansmith7438]

"Don't binge too many of them" Well, I only have like 5 left, might as well finish today.

[@VengeanceFan747]

An hour long salt Mines 😁yes please Mr. PiG

[@Novocane23]

What is so hard for this guy to understand, the game isn't over until the score screen appears. There's always room for your opponents comeback when you're bad.

[@ChrisHaastrup]

the level of cope from sneakyturtle was radioactive

[@zhadoomzx]

Threatening to kill can get u banned, if poultry cared to report him. I don't think there is a first time warning from blizzard on this kind of stuff.

[@D3frost85]

I've seen all the salt mines so far, i'm halfway through this video and my brain actually hurts...send help!

[@Tmarion7]

This episode needs to be retitled: Gold Mines

[@Easley257]

I died with the "justice stiffy"

[@pudgypoultry]

It was true, too! I did have a justice stiffy!

[@drewskiwest5284]

27:48 - 27:58 ish -- that's just the sound turtles make while making love it wasn't a frustration hump sound lol

[@matszz]

Sir! We've broken the wall, shall we storm in? No, I think that's a job well done, lets go home.

[@M0rchaint]

SneakyTurtle is a euphemism for a flasher poking his head out in the back of a grocery store?

[@pmc1212]

SneakyTurtle v. Pudgypoultry: Game of the Decade. It was like a car crash, I just couldn't look away. #PudgyPoultry

[@pudgypoultry]

Thank you thank you I've improved since then but this will always be my favorite best of 3

[@patricknoblin2253]

Best Salt Mine ever...so satisfying!

[@calebhawkins5811]

podgy poultry = chunky monkey = fat descriptor + animal is the analogy i think sneaky turtle was trying to reach for, but based on his gameplay thats a stretch lolz. super salty though im gonna need some water to wash it down haha!

[@firestarter000001]

The turretomania was hilarious:)

[@mavericke8945]

Props to Sneakyturtle corp just giving out jobs and money without asking for anything in exchange

[@Mutant-san84]

I binge for the humor in it all.