TERRIBLE Ideas the NFL TRIED to and DID Implement

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The NFL is known for making changes. Some, like the forward pass made sense. But others, like the catch rule, made things worse. Today we're going to look at rules and ideas both the NFL proposed and that were actually implemented.
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[@matthewshortle5274]

The One Helmet Rule is pointless. It's why many teams can't use their throwback jerseys.

[@jwhine]

Matthew Shortle what is the one helmet rule?

[@ChrundleKelly]

@@jwhine teams can only use one helmet shell per season. Thats why u dont see true throwback uniforms for most teams because they would clash with the helmets from present day. Its a weird rule made up for... Nike? Or something like that.

[@faioladrums]

Matthew Shortle. As an Eagles fan I can agree. Let them use the throwbacks. Especially, the Pats, Eagles and Cowboys

[@ChrundleKelly]

@@faioladrums Every year the Eagles propose the rule change. Lurie loves those Kelly Green jerseys and so does everyone else!

[@bigsav1984]

I thought that rule is no more, the rams use a home and away helmet

[@chrisbidwell895]

In the late 80's, the NFL tried to ban excessive crowd noise. College Football actually did it for a short time in the mid 90's. It's crazy to think this idea ever saw the light of day.

[@MegaJustGeorge]

I couldn't agree more, Chris - I couldn't agree more.

[@sominboy2757]

They even penalized the chiefs for excessive noise in a game against john elway and orange crush, the crowd did it again and the ref just said fuck it

[@ZhangtheGreat]

It was all an attempt to make the game as boring as possible. You know, like the MLB does. (Seriously, have we seen baseball in other countries? Those fans and atmospheres make the MLB look like a snoozefest!)

[@quietcorner293]

I remember that because the Vikings were playing in the HHH Metrodome and the dome could get very loud.

[@mattrufflez8341]

Being apart of a baseball crowd is a lot of fun if there’s actually ppl there, (sorry Rays and Orioles). Between pitches and batters just gives you time to chant, scream, and rly whatever u want. Especially being a Yankee fan, playoff baseball is awesome

[@Isaac-fe3bg]

Worst one: roger goodell as commissioner

[@Pfsif]

ʕ•ᴥ•ʔ I'll bark to that.

[@theunpopularopinionatedten4951]

????????????????

[@theunpopularopinionatedten4951]

@Nick C Yeah, no. Goodell is a good comissisior. Paul was Certinally not better.

[@SouthernSkeptic]

Lol. Goodell sucks.

[@SouthernSkeptic]

@Nick C hes Vince McMahon.

[@Iamtheyamyam]

As a Brit, I don't think we should have a team and I sure as hell don't want the Jags! I just want diversity in the teams you send. Seriously, I know you won't, but stop sending the Jags, you already dropped our tea into Boston harbour! We know you hate us

[@Iamtheyamyam]

@@joeylawn36111 You're an Albion fan? I was born and raised in West Brom! Boing Boing!

[@ericsmith8373]

The NFL sending the Jags to the UK is a horrible idea. As a resident of the DC area, please send the Redskins.

[@JedForge]

@@Iamtheyamyam Everton forever! Yes, it's been painful of late

[@armadillolover99]

Eric Smith I can just see it: The London Redskins. If you think that name plays badly in America, imagine it in a way more PC country like England (and you know they’d keep the name because Dan Snyder would be too stubborn to change it).

[@crimsontear99]

As a Brit that also enjoy American football I agree, fuck the jags! Pats evil empire ftw😂

[@DaytonaPrototypes]

Los Angeles:....... NFL: Lets bring two teams to a city that doesn't care about Football

[@ColeYote]

They care about college football.

[@jessejames9149]

2 soccer teams, 2 football teams and 1 and a half of a baseball team!

[@TLOWNSU]

It still hurts

[@edwhal06]

FivePoint Vids: Lets not send a team to London who clearly love football because America

[@TreborMangum]

Jesse Hernandez don’t forget 2 basketball teams

[@8oyNamedSue]

"Special teams are an integral part of the game." I find it amusing how this video came out same day as the new Dorktown.

[@TheForeverRanger]

Special Teams aren't taken seriously by a lot of teams and can be a major factor. Look at teams like New England, KC, Seattle, and Baltimore. They have had great special teams units for most of the last 10 years at least.

[@chrisbard8587]

@@TheForeverRanger yep and 3 of those teams won the super bowl the past 10 years

[@edgarmanuelzetinaaguilar6972]

@@TheForeverRanger And look at GB... Mediocre defense and mediocre special teams. With a decent special teams crew the Packers would have been in another SB.

[@Bluebirdfalling]

Only if you know what that means.

[@Bluebirdfalling]

google "dorktown" mmmk...

[@altpersonas]

"no one likes ties" Soccer fans 😳😳

[@htx-brad]

Lol. 😂💀

[@jaylew889]

Laugh it up now, the NFL is already heading that way. Watching the highlights from some of the preseason games, I saw one reciever put himself in the position to have a pass interference call made without attempting to even reach for the ball even though he easily could of. Soon enough it's going to become the NFL's version of the "dive"

[@stephenmason9527]

I just think it's funny that some fans can't admit that sometimes both teams just play equally in a game, so why shouldn't the result be equal as well?

[@jaylew889]

@@quinnschroetlin yea it's a shame what sports are slowly turning into. Of course the athletes are more talented nowadays, but definitely had more heart, respect for the game, and toughness back in the day

[@thema1998]

@@jaylew889 I'm surprised that the NFL doesn't have a "dive" by now. There are already a lot of penalties called.

[@neilflack1756]

0/10 football fans agree w the OT rules though, theyre by far the dumbest in all of sports and until the video ive never heard of anyone who thought otherwise

[@dahnavonpippen6547]

Agreed, idk why he shit on the chiefs for making a reasonable proposal. Imagine if we had sudden death in the mlb.

[@mahomiesknees1240]

Neil Flack so your not a pats fan then Or a fan of luck that doesnt go your way

[@carterandrews4369]

Kermit the Actual Frog your probably just a bandwagon pats fan

[@darkmattergames8444]

To all salty chiefs fans about the overtime learn how to play defense at least you weren’t completely and utterly screwed like the saints

[@dusteraddict4204]

Kermit the Actual Frog I’m a die hard pats fan and the rule is bullshit, both teams should get a chance...

[@JeevesAnthrozaurUS]

Five Points mentions "Scorigami" the same day Jon Bois is in another SBNation video Hmm'stve

[@52flyingbicycles]

Jeeves Anthrozaur mentions Scorigami in the same video he bashes 4th and 15 😡

[@anitalift7546]

@@52flyingbicycles and he bashes scorigami too!

[@WolfDB]

Iirc, it wasn't just Elway that proposed the 4th and 15 rule if you score. That idea was originally proposed by Greg Schiano because of one of his players at Florida State having an injury that completely destroyed his career on a regular kickoff. The idea is basically that on 4th and 15, most teams elect to punt anyway, and punt returns are much safer than kick returns, but going for it is just as successful, if not more successful, than an onside kick.

[@scottyhaines4226]

Schiano was a coach at Rutgers, not Florida State

[@RyanDonziger]

Also that idea that John got it from was the AAF but no one talks about it

[@Senrabekim]

Punt returns are more fun, safer and have better decision making prospects. Players on both side of the ball have a more viable options. The 4th and 15 rule is a good idea.

[@mal2ksc]

Also this doesn't kill Special Teams. It just merges kickoff returning into punt returning.

[@superque4]

It was adopted by the AAFL and I liked it along w/no kickoffs or extra pts.. It kept the game moving along.

[@0Architectdude0]

The 4th and 15th proposal was also about the safety of kickoff returns vs punt returns. A college coach had one of his players paralyzed from a kickoff and proposed that team should get the ball on the 35 on 4th and 15. Most of the time they’d punt, which is still special teams obviously, but they also could go for it. Honestly onside kicks are boring cuz it’s all about the chance of which way the ball bounces

[@TimurTripp2]

The Alliance of American Football did away with kickoffs completely. After a score, the other team would simply get the ball at the 25, or the scoring team could opt for the "onside conversion" (4th and 12 from their own 28) in certain situations. I watched plenty of AAF games and never missed the kickoffs. It was safer for the players, and the fans could enjoy the game going almost immediately to the next possession without having to wait for the kickoff, only to have it result in a touchback most of the time.

[@pronkb000]

@@TimurTripp2 The XFL kickoffs looked a little goofy but I liked them (only the kicker was at the spot of the kick--the coverage team lined up on like the opponent's 35 with the return team like 10 yards away, thus preventing huge running starts and collisions). I didn't miss the kickoffs in the AAF either but they're so synonymous with football and such a part of our lexicon that I *would* kinda be sad to see them go away entirely. I forget how the XFL handled onside kicks, probably something similar to AAF.

[@tyronasaurusrx7863]

Actually idk if the 4th and 15 rule is all that bad

[@amirpalamar7133]

TyronasaurusRx 7 it seemed to be more of a saving special teams thing, but it would make close games way more competitive at the end and with onside kicks being so unlikely to succeed now the NFL has already practically eliminated the effectiveness of the onside kick

[@will-power5453]

I think that it should be longer then 15 maybe 20 or something

[@freddiesimmons1394]

@@will-power5453 15 is statistically good enough.

[@DexterousWings]

Replacing the kickoff entirely with the 4th and 15, the "Schiano Rule", is not a bad idea. You still get a legitimate football play, some might argue one more entertaining than a kickoff or onside kick, but it is less dangerous for players. I'd be very interested in seeing it play tested in a few preseason games at least. It isn't what we're used to, but it could be fun with that edge of the fake punt thrown in there.

[@freddiesimmons1394]

@@DexterousWings Fake punts are more exciting than onside kicks too. They can actually result in TDs

[@Beckipedia]

As a side note, the reason Tom Brady wants to trademark Tom Terrific is that he hates that nickname. Therefore I propose that we only refer to him as such.

[@luisreyes1963]

He's lucky we don't call him "Tom Slick". 😆

[@Widdyness1]

Personally I’m with Reid on OT, where both teams should get the ball, that’s why I like the NCAA’s execution of OT, but that’s just me

[@charlessssssc]

Yea, including a proposed OT rule change in this video was really stupid. Anyone with a brain can agree that both teams should have a possession in OT regardless of if their defense is trash or not.

[@blakewewer4901]

Not to mention the fact that football has been changed drastically in the last decades to become an offensively focused game with rules centered around that.

[@thecreekrat69]

Yeah he's the first person I've seen say different. Each team should get the ball. I would rather have college rules as sudden or first td

[@bradyharrison3711]

I’m totally with you. Maybe have a team start at the 40 in the pros. But other than that I want college overtime.

[@JDMatthias]

I want to see the NFL try doing a shootout style of play in regular season OT. Place kicks and drop kick field goals til someone misses. Unrushed, untimed. This would eliminate high risk of injury for a potential tie game.

[@AverytheCubanAmerican]

NFL did multiple oopsies

[@stephenmason9527]

Dennis Miller once made a Julius Caesar crossing the Rubicon reference about a team going for it on 4th down. Talk about culture clash.

[@MusicalGixxer]

Jon Bois has a great video that mentions the 4&15 rule proposal. Would love to see that instead of kickoffs and onside kicks.

[@jarradchapman4271]

That was a Pretty Good episode of Chart Party.

[@Kylora2112]

All of Jon Bois's Chart Parties and Dorktowns are Pretty Good. And I'm 100% for 4th & 15 as a 100% replacement for kickoffs. 95% of the time, it'll be a punt anyways, so you still have special teams in on the play so *shrug*

[@SomeGuy-sj1ly]

I just want kickoffs to go back to the way they used to be

[@bradb2680]

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[@nickschwendeman9261]

@@jarradchapman4271 I see what you did there 😂

[@m00t53]

There is literally 0 reason why ties should ever occur. Just do it like college football. Keep playing until someone fails to score. It's not a difficult concept

[@m00t53]

@@markdavis7397 They're pointless. It's as though the game never even happened

[@m00t53]

@@markdavis7397 Mathematically it is exactly as though the game never happened. Ties in standings are solved through playoff games and head to head matchups. It is literally impossible for two teams in the same division to go undefeated. It is literally impossible for two teams in the same conference to go undefeated. They will play each other at some point and the result will favor one or the other and the tie will just sit there having the same effect as a loss.

[@m00t53]

@@markdavis7397 Failure to win = a loss. If you play a game and don't win, you lose. There is no logical argument for saying a team that ended 17 games all with ties is better than a team who went 1-16. One of those teams was actually good enough to win at least one game. The other team was not good enough to do that

[@islucario464]

“Even worse, more Scorigami” Skskdsskskskk how is Scorigami a bad thing???”

[@mitchellisrael4862]

The only thing wrong with the 4th and 15 rule is it doesn't go far enough. The NFL should abolish kickoffs and introduce the onside conversion instead

[@yohane2487]

Overtime should still be reserved for playoff games for elimination purposes. The idea of the season gives all of the teams the same amount of game time to play all of their opponents, i.e. every team gets 60 minutes to determine the result of the game. No one should get a special privilege to extra time to beat their opponent just because the score is the same. If you couldn't get the win in the 60 minutes allotted, you don't deserve a win, let alone extra time to attempt to win.

[@nohbuddy1]

Ties are incredibly lame

[@someloser2847]

The nfl’s overtime rules should be the same as college football, but none of that start from the 25 crap. They can get the damn ball down the field by themselves.

[@WardenSpectreCommander]

Agreed , with the exception of limiting it to 2 OT maximum. If you can't separate after 2 OT , it deserves to be a tie

[@EmmaBonn96]

I like the start at the 25 It feels more exciting and more sudden Typically overtime will be on late, so it gives a nice rush of excitement that can keep me up

[@Rayeo_TNJ]

I have a better idea, keep it the same way and don't tie before the end of regulation

[@alfredosauce3727]

@@Rayeo_TNJ lol

[@martycoleman3801]

Joe Buck being in the booth should be in this video

[@theunpopularopinionatedten4951]

Oh, Stop. Joe Buck is a pleasure to listen too. You do not get the rubbish from him you get from Romo, Gus Johnson, Collinsworth, Jon Gruden.

[@martycoleman3801]

The Unpopular Opinionated Tennessean At least Gus Johnson gets excited

[@theunpopularopinionatedten4951]

@@martycoleman3801 Getting excited does not make you competent. Announcers are not suppose to be excited.

[@TheJlt14]

I'd say Romo is among the best. Buck is just okay, Aikman is atrocious... And you realize Jon Gruden went back into coaching over a year ago, don't you? And when he was an analyst, I'd definitely say he was better than Buck. Al and Aikman are the worst though 😂

[@danejurus69]

Joe Buck sucks ass. I hate hearing him on football and baseball games. I wish the NFL would listen to the fans and fire him. He is so annoying.

[@HayTatsuko]

"More Scorigami" --- someone watches Jon Bois, eh?

[@FivePointsVids]

hes a legend

[@qwertyytrewq71]

I’d rather have ties than winning the coin toss = automatic win

[@Qball42]

J. Robert Oppenheimer Yes! The NCAA over time rules are far superior to the NFL. That sudden death BS leaves me wanting much more than a tie does.

[@faioladrums]

J. Robert Oppenheimer. The OT rules fucking suck

[@faioladrums]

J. Robert Oppenheimer. I’m literally reading “Bomb” rn 😂

[@anthonya1272]

J. Robert Oppenheimer how’d winning the coin toss go for the Saints in the NFC championship game

[@bearbrand6626]

@@Qball42 College OT is exciting. Great for college football. It'd be straight garbage in the NFL. Only people who are pissed the Pats won again on the first possession are pissed. (For example, when the Steelers WON the toss, chose to kickoff to the Broncos because they thought the Broncos offense was trash, then watched Tim Tebow throw an 80-yard TD pass to win the game... NOBODY was saying, "OT rules need to be changed". Y'all loved it after that game)

[@whitemamba24xe98]

Remember The Tuck Rule??? Because I sure do!!!😰

[@lucascongdon309]

Xavier Edwards what is the Tuck Rule

[@methcurry6887]

Fuck the patriots

[@Nickleblanc41]

The 4th and 15 rule is a fun idea, after you score or to start a half you have the choice to punt or try to keep ball by playing a 4th and 15 situation.

[@will-power5453]

I think that they shouldnt get to choose every single time they score maybe you get to try 4th and 15 one time per half

[@exactinmidget92]

new tackle rule has to go. its at a point where tackling is basically illegal.

[@lionelsanches8699]

@Soda King those qbs have CTE now u Kno those athletes are human

[@danejurus69]

I think FG's should be done away with. Doesn't make sense to have one guy blow it for 52 other guys who busted their ass to be in that position to win.

[@andresno2028]

@@lionelsanches8699 that's why they get paid millions of dollars.

[@Pyrotech777]

Andres No - Millions of dollars to retire and have irreversible brain damage for the rest of their lives? Smack your head into a wall 30 times a week and in 30 years let me know how it’s going. If you live that long. No amount of money is worth that. I’m torn on the issue, but I lean towards reducing head impacts/injuries for all players

[@EmmaBonn96]

Pyrotech What we really need is a way to stop cte besides limiting what is an acceptable tackle Perhaps expanding roster limits and salary caps to make the game more rotational at all positions This may reduce the hits each player takes in a season, thus slowing the compounding effect of cte

[@unclecreepy7025]

5:54 His sunglasses look fake, like they were digitally added “Thug Life” style.

[@markellefultzeatingasugarc9327]

"Dumber than freezing your feet" *AB* I laughed hard, subbed.

[@mthethelelimndawe8001]

"the NFL hates freedom"😂😂😂

[@robertperry2596]

This video was so good Patrick Chung tried to smuggle cocaine into it

[@playinetgames]

Both teams should get the ball in overtime. You mention that a coin flip is a perfectly fair 50/50 chance, however football is not a game of chance; it's a game of skill. One team shouldn't randomly be awarded a win just because they get the ball first. The argument of "learn to play defense" doesn't even work here. Both teams deserve a chance to drive down the field and score. All penalties *absolutely should be reviewable*. The Patriots are correct here. The fact that it might take more time to review them is irrelevant; the point is that referees are human and make mistakes... frequently. There should be opportunities to find and correct those mistakes on the spot. Penalties can *literally change the outcome of games*. Saints fans will tell you this firsthand. Lol, Elway just reproposed the Greg Schiano proposal, and it's actually genius the way he designed it. Chart Party anyone?

[@jacknuckols6029]

On your first point, the NFL would be *way* better off if they just adopted the college overtime rule, or did a combination of the two, but it is just a load of bs that if you win a coin toss, and you score a TD, you win.

[@playinetgames]

@Rich Affinito And yet you don't justify your opinion... Please, tell me the negative consequences of allowing referees to correct their mistakes and ensure a fair outcome to football games.

[@playinetgames]

@Rich Affinito The entire crux of your argument is that "blown calls are okay and a part of the game, deal with it." That... doesn't work. They're not okay and they shouldn't be a part of the game. I'm partially sympathetic to the "games are already long enough" argument, but when your choice is either that or continue allowing things that damage the integrity of the game, you pick the former option every time.

[@Aragon1500]

People bitching about blown calls has been a think literally forever in the NFL especially after they introduced the challenge system

[@playinetgames]

@@Aragon1500 And once again, that doesn't justify allowing those blown calls to stand.

[@IlGreven]

"Do we need...more scorigami?" Jon Bois says yes.

[@user-73a]

Gay people love jon bois videos

[@banjopiggottwright1802]

If the Rainbow Warriors from Hawaii can travel long distances to play college football, without being paid, then I think an NFL team can work in London, in the distant future.

[@JJ-ub3mw]

I'm 44, and I went from being a "Die Hard" NFL fan to a "I barely care anymore" fan. So many things have ruined this once great game. In no particular order: 1) Not knowing what a catch is 2) Rule changes to make it so easy to score and impossible to play defense 3)Off the field drama being covered more than the actual games 4)Roger G having no idea how to administer fines and punishments fairly or consistently 5) Caring more about if a player smokes weed (legal in many states now) or if they are a POS scumbag that beats women and children 6) Thursday night games every week 7) Players, and owners only care about their own ego's and brands, and have watered down anything that used to feel like a "Team" sport. They don't care about your team, why should you? I'm sure there are a lot more reasons, and I'm finding it very hard to care about the NFL anymore, which is sad, I truly used to love this League.

[@JackDanaher2001]

You said it, the NFL and the playoffs overall is decreasing in popularity and it's sad to watch of how it is unwatchable now days. If you're a Pats fan, you might hate me, but everyone except people who are Pats fans even me are tired to see them winning the SB every year. After watching Super Bowl 53, I rage quitted the NFL and sports overall in general.

[@JJ-ub3mw]

@@JackDanaher2001 Not a Pats fan, in the 90's they were my underdog team to cheer for, but then they got too good, I am a 49ers fan, but more so I was a true NFL fan, I watched as many games as I could, regardless of who was playing, I do not do that with any other sport, I only watch my team in every other league. Last year I think I only watched the playoffs.

[@JackDanaher2001]

@@JJ-ub3mw The playoffs was a complete disaster, I was hoping for changes, but it's still the same as the Pats won another championship. Almost every Pats fan is saying and calling The Race for 7.

[@keegan1948]

Dont forget the non stop commercials. A TD is followed by 15 minutes of commercials before the next drive begins.

[@gj1293]

Wait the packers have an owner tf?

[@davidcopeland5450]

You forgot one. The Tuck Rule.

[@keatonjk5772]

CFB OT > NFL OT

[@bruh_im_a_pigeon5597]

I still think both teams should get the ball in OT, that way both offenses and defenses of both teams have to play

[@AnthonyDavis-kh7zd]

Jacob Davis chiefs proposed that. It didn’t pass

[@BeefPapa]

I'd get rid of the kickoff. Team that wants the ball gets it at their own 5. Sudden death. You decide if ball > field position.

[@bearbrand6626]

Did you want that when Tim Tebow's Broncos beat the Steelers after the Steelers CHOSE to kickoff? Doubt it. Because everyone looooved the OT rules after that game. Suddenly, the Pats win a couple big games in OT and the rules aren't so great anymore.

[@52flyingbicycles]

BeefPapa college football overtime is best. Get it at opponent’s 20, both teams have a shot. After 2 OTs no more kicking. Goes way faster and is way more exciting than pro overtime. Since kicking from the 20 is almost guaranteed in the pros, probably eliminate kicking altogether in overtime for pros. Always go on 4th down and 2 point conversions only

[@bearbrand6626]

@@52flyingbicycles Why not say, "To hell with things like special teams, field position, and the importance of time of possession,"... just play the whole game like that! Hell, you can take it a step further, get rid of the defenses altogether. Just pick the team that runs the coolest looking plays, that's your winner.

[@eddixon2015]

The onside kick isn't a bad idea if you look at the original idea proposed by Greg Schiano which would eliminate kickoffs altogether.

[@larrywt656]

I agree with you 100% on the Chargers. That team does NOT belong in Los Angeles, and L.A. doesn't deserve two teams, especially since the city didn't really seem to care when they went 20 years without one. Rams? OK, yeah, they belong back in L.A. Chargers? NO WAY.

[@aboriginalbrotha9947]

The Chargers and Rams deserve to be in LA because the owners wanted that idea and because both STL and SD failed to help those teams get new stadium. SD voters voted down the DT stadium in a heartbeat because it'll be publicly funded. They will surely voted down the Misson Valley proposal too because it required public funding, but it ended up being a new stadium for SDSU Aztecs which is paid by the school. The city of SD screwed over the Chargers, plus voters don't want their tax money spent towards a Chargers new stadium.

[@pfh_golf]

Move the extra point back to the 2 yard line and have the person that scored the touchdown kick the extra point

[@RoyalMela]

Now that would be a great idea!

[@RicardoAGuitar]

I love that

[@jimllc]

Ah yes, Roger Goodell. Every football fan's favorite person.

[@tb12methodofgaming99]

The beginning of the manscaped add is most people's favorite part of the video. Lets be honest

[@ratlov9983]

Too bad manscaped isn't available in Europe, i think

[@KnobleSloth]

It is for kids under 16.

[@davidmarshall5323]

Making every penalty reviewable isn’t actually a bad idea....

[@pronkb000]

Games would be interminable. And do you review every *play* to see if a penalty occurred if one wasn't called? Or we do only review penalties that are called on the field? If it's the latter, you're going to see more flags because officials are going to use the same logic they use on possible fumbles, which is "If we call it, we can fix it in replay." Put a sky judge in the booth who has the ability to call for flags to be thrown or rule enforcements to be made from watching on a monitor.

[@brandonbouchez7195]

Okay the OT rules are BS come on.. I've been tortured by them as a Packers fan lol

[@rattlesnake5326]

Same brotha

[@bmoose566]

How about win in 4 quarters then you dont have to worry about OT

[@jgmail98]

That one last joke about the Jaguars got me.

[@killerskillet]

Don't those specialized facemasks actually *prevent* facemasking penalties? You can't get your fingers through those chicken-wire-style masks. It's not like they add any considerable weight for helmet-to-helmet hits or anything.

[@RoyalMela]

It is banned, because large facemasks add weight into helmet, and make it more dangerous to player wearing it and player who gets hit by it. Mostly by making the helmet more front-heavy and adding stress to players neck.

[@killerskillet]

@@RoyalMela I feel like you're not offering up any information to the open question I asked. How much weight is added by way of a specialized cage as opposed to the one sanctioned by the NFL?

[@joea.9969]

It must be noted that the Rams were originally in Las Angeles.

[@SuperMathewson]

Cleveland actually but they were in LA from 1946 to 1994. That’s a long time

[@alfredfrombatman2668]

I like how he said a proven lie when he said 9/10 NFL fans don't think overtime rules need changed, before the 2018 off-season 69% of NFL fans questioned agreed a change should happen, after the 2018 season ended that number went up to 74%, and I'm not even a chiefs fan, I'm a fan of the Gotham City Knights, I just think that allowing luck to play such a large factor in overtime has no place in any professional league

[@brody20glancy2]

They need to change the overtime rules. It’s literally a coin toss that chooses who wins the majority of the time.

[@UnsilentOnAir]

Is it weird that I missed FivePoints doing the Manscaped ads?

[@thatguy7248]

I actually kinda like the 4th and 15 idea

[@LCSteeler16]

6th! And there should not be 18 games, ever!

[@alwaysmeepin9609]

Canada’s never gonna join the nfl we’re to busy giving Zack Cloaros a concussion

[@scottsharp1763]

Can U do a video on the new “car seat” rules/laws and how that will effect Kyler Murray’s ability to run massive amounts of plays as a front seat or back seat driver 😶🤣😳😶 thanks ahead of time

[@FivePointsVids]

LOL

[@Arden2000]

That colts idea made me dumber by proxy. even a straight up 50 yard 3 point conversion wouldve made more sense than that

[@Benkenobi8118]

50 yard 3 point conversion would be hella interesting.

[@pronkb000]

@@Benkenobi8118 Too easy. I like the XFL rule of attempting a 3-point play by running or passing it in from the 10 (or wherever they feel is appropriate--make it a longer 2-point conversion).

[@cflick]

How dare you insult scorigami and Jon Bois

[@brogansullivan3151]

When he complains about the Patriots, even though they’re the best team, with the best coach😂

[@fvw1187]

Sounds like someone doesn’t like the chiefs. I think most football fans want both teams to get the ball in ot

[@colecutler1941]

Ourlordtomcruise 11 I agree both teams should have the opportunity to score

[@liamryan7239]

Well their defense should be as good

[@connorthompson8963]

Great video surprised the saints crying wasn't on here

[@pauljoy66]

The Chiefs is reasonable though, the coin toss determined the entire conference championship

[@AkamexAris1023]

And they lost. Good.

[@SuperMathewson]

No their lackluster defense and Brady being awesome did.

[@dahnavonpippen6547]

Zach he sure did shred that 31st worst defense, such a challenge it was for him to hand it off and throw into space. Lol

[@SuperMathewson]

donavon pip ask the Seahawks how much of a bum he is

[@SuperMathewson]

donavon pip I’m saying that they have six super rings and that luck doesn’t win you six Super Bowls

[@matthewjohnston1017]

I agree with the rule in making everything reviewable... still only give teams two challenges, and a third if you win the first two... in addition it has to be an obvious overturn to overturn the call... I have seen way to many games blown by bad ref calls that are obvious misses

[@00ghostcobra]

Who in the hell ever thought that Dennis Miller was ever funny?

[@icedog731]

When it comes to London having its own team. I don’t think it should be just one team maybe a mini conferences. Like 6-8 teams where they could play each other enough to make the teams in the U.S not have to support the shit out of them. I know this is basically out of the question but would be the best option

[@WhiteCamry]

One good idea the NFL should adopt is the CFL's "single", where a ball kicked into the end zone and not returned is a point for the kicking team. No more free touchbacks!

[@gagewestbrook8115]

The NFL wants to avoid runbacks so they'd never adopt that rule.

[@jackiechan4228]

Yes this is a good idea but the nfl pushed kickoffs forward( I think) so that the return team doesn’t return it. Too many people got hurt, supposedly and they don’t want kick returns

[@yetz2291]

How about, getting rid of that, we go with the 4th and 15, but now on every kickoff, so teams punt instead of risking their guys getting injured on kickoffs?

[@MegaJustGeorge]

Now THAT is something I would favor - definitely!

[@Rindiculousfun]

I agree 100% but the NFL is trying to eliminate special teams entirely. It’s like the fair catch rule completely stupid. Make a no yards rule and players will have to hold up and won’t bail over the returner at full speed because they have to stay at least 5 yards away. CFL special team rules make a million times more sense but the NFL just doesn’t like making sense

[@lancesmith6864]

Super underrated visual editing. Funny stuff

[@funzjag]

"What a friggin play babe! The fullback looked like Rasputin with a bullet in his side! I mean ,who'd they consult on that formation? Euclid? I didn't know that a rhombus formation was kosher in the NFL ! " - Dennis Miller

[@FivePointsVids]

“This offense is more dull than amateur summer stock in the park in mid august”

[@funzjag]

@@FivePointsVids Nice one, bro !

[@pronkb000]

The Daily Show--right after the switch from Kilborn to Stewart--had an "audition tape" for Miller that was pretty hilarious. It was a Miller impression talking over old-timey NFL footage--(on an interception) "Oh, nice pass, Magoo. You're using a cobra snake for a necktie. Good luck on your GED, Oppenheimer." I use "Oppenheimer" in a sarcastic sense to this day because of that bit. Just a bit more pretentious than the usual go-tos of Einstein or Sherlock. Not to mention Jimmy Fallon's Miller on SNL: "By any measure, wide receiver Randy Moss scores more often than Leo DiCaprio at an NSYNC concert at the Mall of America during a lunar eclipse. If Tampa Bay loses tonight, they’ll be understudies in the Boca Raton dinner theatre production of Les Mis with Warren Sapp as Jean Valjean! Isn’t that right, Albino?"

[@funzjag]

@@pronkb000 Ha Ha ! Nice!! Although, due to the fact that both of my parents have multiple degrees are were both educators with high IQs , I understood Millers' references. I'm not sure about a large number of NFL fans ,though. You obviously get Miller as well or you wouldn't get the parodies. He cracked me up constantly when he was calling football games. I'm also a bit biased towards him because he and I are both originally from western Pennsylvania. He's from Pittsburgh and I'm from a town down the road called Washington. Thanks for the reminder that Fallon actually did a bit that was funny.

[@funzjag]

@@pronkb000 Warren Sapp as Jean Valjean cracked me up then and it still does. I can picture Sapp in 19th century European clothes, deep in thought. 😆

[@jeffpearljam1976]

In the early 90’s, the home team could be penalized for crowd noise.

[@mbucc900]

It happened to the Lions against the Jets, and it was the most bullshit rule ever.

[@3Speedboy]

Yes we always need more scoragami

[@Jared7873]

Pr(TD)+Pr(2 POINT CONVERSION)+(50 YD. XP|2 POINT CONVERSION)

[@JonRakos]

+1 for a scoragami reference

[@bradley7347]

I absolutely love the 18-game 16-max idea! It would mean more strategy and gameplanning!!!!

[@bangbangrogers2750]

Yep. Can’t have your team carried by one dude

[@chrislarson1500]

I agree with Andy Reid on this one. In the NBA both teams have possessions in OT. In MLB both teams get equal possessions until one team scores more on their possession than the other. In MLS and NHL the action is ongoing and the odds of scoring in overtime without both teams having a crack at it is extremely low. So why not give both NFL teams at least one equal shot before going to sudden death, especially in an era where offenses are more high scoring and the rules favor pass catchers? If you have an overtime with two teams whose strengths are on offense, you're basically penalizing the team that loses the OT coin toss.

[@landonm1113]

Lol I think everyone knows OT needs to be changed someway

[@bmoose566]

How about win in 4 quarters then you dont have to worry about OT

[@meatball4898]

We need to remove the kick off. Elway was right about the 4th and 15.

[@Mottly.]

I enjoy the use of Jon Bois’s ‘Scorigami’

[@locantora]

I came down here just for this

[@elliottryan13]

I like the modeling you do for Manscaping! Love the video brother hope all is well.

[@Diehardpatsandrangersfan]

If Goodell wants a team in Europe why not try reviving the European NFL

[@atlas7782]

Back in time to catch another FivePoints Vids classic! Also take the Chargers back to San Diego, couldn't agree more. "Let's put them in LA the same time we bring back the Rams?" Yeah nice take NFL, how about you learn from the last time you did literally the same thing. You may have started in LA, but it's kind of like taking the Rams back to Cleveland, no one knows what for. Definitely no one cares.

[@benjamingoodman424]

Overtime is still broken

[@Bino9898]

Sudden death overtime is still the stupidest rule in the NFL. Imagine losing because you never had a chance to score because of a coin.

[@DanCMadsen]

Scorigami is my jam :) #GoJonBois

[@Matt-xe5ex]

also can you do a video on the extending the post season idea and the Jay Z deal

[@jakecollins335]

Five points “scorigami” My brain: “plays that jazzy music from the Jon Bois SB nation vids”

[@colerobin7708]

That Rosie O Donnell joke was toooo funny

[@tleoipl37]

Miller made Jason Witten look like a god in the booth. God he was terrible

[@ronniesorter1888]

Booger is just as bad, if not worse!!

[@tleoipl37]

Ronnie Sorter or even tony kornheiser 😂

[@funzjag]

Millers' problem was that he was way too high brow. He was making references that your average football fan either didn't get or if they did get it they didn't care. Watching football is a time to down gear intellectual thought and get rid of some pent up emotion.......and possibly drink beer.

[@michaelbiscay9836]

Let us not forget the greatness of Rush Limbaugh.

[@funzjag]

@@michaelbiscay9836 Here is the kicker for a guy like me , I was born in close proximity to Pittsburgh . Dennis Miller is from Pittsburgh and Rush Limbaugh was DJ on Pittsburgh radio in the early 70s. Dennis Miller definitely still has a noticeable Pittsburgh accent.

[@c3s4r612mx]

Most importantly they need to change Thursday Night Football into Saturday Night Football

[@Zoyx]

Nope. There is gentlemen's agreement between the NFL and college football. Same thing for Friday's belonging to high schools.

[@JedForge]

Those Miller jokes are funnier than anything you can get from late night tv nowadays.

[@shackletainment]

Maybe it's because I'm a casual fan at best, but I don't think there should be sudden death in playoff overtime. The game should be extended by a full 15 minute quarter, to be played to completion, then if the score is still tied, the game can enter sudden death. I also love the idea of an 18 game season with players limited to 16 starts, so long as it starts earlier rather than ending later. The season is super short compared to other sports, we don't even get to see every team play each other. A longer season will make the sport less random, and it's champion more legit. Limiting players to 16 games will keep the inury risk the same, while shaking up strategy and giving opportunities to under utilized talent

[@Harrja]

Didn’t the AAF do something similar to the 4th and 15 proposal?

[@josepharmstrong8025]

4th and 12, ball at the 28, when your team is trailing in the 4th quarter. The 4th and 15 rule would be attempt-able in the 1st quarter, hence why it was canned

[@AyeThatsHandsomePete]

Dennis Miller was a strange fit. However he is better then Cris Collinsworth.

[@deNNyTheWiseMAN1]

He just didn't fit period.

[@user-ge2sz1rz3m]

Not true

[@danksupreme]

"ASAP Rockie"😂

[@Pfsif]

Hate the "Celebration BS" in the end zone.

[@kevinthetruckdriver353]

Got tired of the celebrations after every tackle, QB sack, a first down or whatever. Remember back when the NFL was a team game. RB scores. Hands the ball to the ref. Heads to the sideline. Now it's a *LOOK AT ME GAME.* *BORING!!!*

[@locdar]

Football may be the most popular sport in America, but it's not the best, that honor is reserved for Hockey

[@coolstufftodo5256]

Locdar 👌👌

[@jjoeyj83]

Hockey sucks a bag of dicks. It will never have a big following.

[@jamesturner44]

Thursday night football sucks.

[@mikes7446]

Football just sucks NHL is better.

[@jjoeyj83]

Mike S imagine thinking of hockey as a sport at all. Almost as boring as soccer.

[@jeffpearljam1976]

The bye week after London is no more

[@soarinskies1105]

Now this is the quality content that I subscribed for

[@renshawjoshua]

Your proposed rule that “every team should get the ball in OT” is a bad one and 10 out of football fans agree is completely wrong. College OT has each team have a chance at possession; and many people prefer that system to how the NFL works. There is nothing more fair than a coin toss because it’s 50/50? Sure; but that is not the argument. The argument is why does some arbitrary 50/50 non-football related action have that much of an impact on the outcome of a game instead of the merit of how the players play on the field? Granted, a coin toss still has an impact on a college football game (the second team to possess the ball has an advantage of knowing what the first team did); but this is not about what is perfect. It’s about what system is better. The collegiate system of overtime is easily arguable a more fair representation of who performed best in the field of play during it than the NFL system. Even the NFL understood how anti-climatic the NFL OT was when they changed the “sudden death” rule to begin with where a field goal in the first possession used to end the game. They changed it from the first team to possess the ball could not just get in field goal range and kick to win the game without the other team getting a possession. They changes it to incentivize teams to not intentionally stop 30 yards away and press to score a touchdown in order to win with a touchdown. So it stands to reason that if it is “unfair” for one team to win on a field goal without the other team ever having a chance to possess the ball; why would it not be an easy logical conclusion that a touchdown without the other team ever having a chance to possess the ball would be just as equally unfair? By your logic; since the coin toss is 50/50, why not just have the coin toss decide the winner right then and there and not even play the overtime?

[@mattdean5431]

Cold take on the overtime rules

[@unclecreepy7025]

Ok, 2 things: First, if we are giving coaches only 2 challenges (and a 3rd if they win both) and taking away a time out for losing, then EVERY penalty or play should be reviewable, especially when the refs are getting them wrong. It doesn’t make sense that only some penalties can be reviewed. Second, “home field advantage” should come with some advantages besides some of the people in the stands cheering for you. Home field advantage should mean there is no coin toss, the home team gets to choose automatically. But I don’t like the sudden death overtime rule and I’m glad they changed it up so a FG doesn’t win it automatically (I don’t like college’s version either). Ok, I lied, number 3. While John Madden is the greatest commentator ever, I loved Dennis Miller as a commentator and it’s a tragedy he was let go.

[@leebs26]

Face masking someone and celebrating a little too much after scoring would amount to the same amount of penalty yardage