‘Terrible’: Paul Murray reveals the ‘big fear’ about vaping

Sky News host Paul Murray says the “big fear” about vaping is that a brand new generation is learning how to put something “terrible” in their system.
His remarks come as the Albanese government revealed it would be watering down its ban on vapes.
“They decided not to ban the sale of these products because it was a way of getting something that the Greens wanted,” Mr Murray said.

[@mv7405]

With that logic.. Why don’t they ban alcohol ???

[@MaTtRoSiTy]

Because of course it has NOTHING to do with health, they could not care less if we carked it tomorrow just so long as they could get their grubby hands in our back pockets to rob us one last time before we are put in the ground

[@TomasFunes-rt8rd]

They WILL when Muslim numbers have bred up a bit higher....

[@richardbrown9344]

They are slowly by taxing it to death...

[@sutfuf6756]

It's socially acceptable.

[@carlharrison3637]

I would not have been able to have stopped smoking rollups if it wasn't for vape.

[@enok7934]

my fads brooooo

[@davidladd9544]

would rather smell like a blueberry muffin than a stinky ash tray any day but that choice is taken away an given a choice of 3 crappy flavours!?! and 1 of them being a tobacco flavour?? i mean that crap is the whole reason "we vapers" quit the damn smokes in the first place!!

[@mw8308]

Agreed. One of the main reasons I took up vaping was in consideration for my own fellow Australians in public

[@mclovinu69]

Don't you get it?! The government wants you back on the ciggies to fill their pockets more

[@TomasFunes-rt8rd]

And presumably MANY vapers will switch back to ciggies, with attendant loss of productivity due to people having to go outside more....

[@TomasFunes-rt8rd]

I went to my local last night, only one person vaping in the crowded smoking area, all the other vapers were smoking CIGGIES !!! NICE ONE LABOUR !!!!

[@theskidmarkoforion4829]

What about the vapes that need maintenance and cleaning. I have one. Change the coils every week etc. Young ones can’t be bothered so they use the disposable ones which are pretty sub standard rip the air out of you type. I don’t understand why there is no distinction between the two. Can anyone explain this ?

[@timgstar3585]

I love my Australian brothers and sisters but your government are insane

[@richardbrown9344]

Yes they are indeed, and citizen compliance increases this insanity...

[@daLukasMain]

yes

[@amsterdamoriginalsaustralia]

✌️😎

[@jazmynbrown5021]

We are so backwards

[@amsterdamoriginalsaustralia]

@@jazmynbrown5021 its not going forwards that's for sure 🤣

[@ThreenaddiesRexMegistus]

Imagine if they expended the same energy combating real problems in Australia, such as the housing and rental crisis and the increasing cost of living? Giving chemists the monopoly will increase prices, which is likely the intention. That’s why we buy Panadol at the supermarket.

[@tfrepublic8689]

15 YEARS VAPING HERE WITHOUT ANY GOVERNMENT (INTERVENTION) ASSISTANCE... GO AWAY LABOR

[@Lenergyiskey358]

Liberal would have done it as well I'm sure.

[@stevetoomer9042]

@@Lenergyiskey358 No they wouldn't have the Libs are mostly for it, for people moving away from cigarettes

[@Lenergyiskey358]

@@stevetoomer9042 Ok Good. I vote Libs so if they get in lets see if they reverse this and allow us to get our own again.

[@niceguyfedora]

@@Lenergyiskey358 Don't listen to that guy, The Liberal party literally did do it. The Liberals banned the importation of vaping products in 2021, switching to the prescription model, which was the entire catalyst for this mess. This ban was singlehandedly responsible for the vape black market we have today. Labor is just doubling down on bad Liberal policy. www.tga.gov.au/news/blog/nicotine-vaping-laws-are-changing

[@TheHertzWeb]

You think either of them want to see billions in excise go up in vapour?

[@jeffchristian6798]

I used to spend $300 a month on cigarettes. I now spend $20 every six weeks on vaping.

[@oldnutta7611]

That's the prime reason why they want vaping gone.

[@markbarkley3790]

Why seek to control individual choices? Freedom.

[@ManplansGodlaughs]

It's what the gov't does best

[@over-educated-sp]

Been vaping for 14 years. No lung disease, clear, anxiety, yes. Vaping is a massive improvement over cigarettes!

[@dwee3005]

Let's see in another 20 years. That's exactly what they thought about cigarettes for many many years before the lung and mouth cancers started showing up

[@over-educated-sp]

@@dwee3005 I’m quitting this month.

[@dwee3005]

​@@over-educated-spheard that before. But good luck!

[@bee669]

@@dwee3005 Except this is 2024. Science has come a long way since the 1950s. In the UK, NZ & Sweden vaping is encouraged as a better alternative because they have looked at the overwhelming scientific evidence that vaping is far safer than smoking with a tiny fraction of the cancer risk-almost the same as a non smoker. Here we have a moral panic driving policy. People breathe in car exhaust every time they leave the house in urban areas- same chemicals as in cigarettes. Alcohol is far more dangerous, causing thousands of deaths a year but we don't ban it. Deaths from vaping nicotine? Zero worldwide in 20 years.

[@over-educated-sp]

@@dwee3005 I’ve given up everything else. I was a gnarly alchy, and substance abuser. Guess what my reason for quitting vaping is? My life, and my family. Trust me, there are things more important to me than vaping. Like my health. 😂👍

[@josedarrylalano8356]

Stopped me using stinkies since 2012. What are we trying to solve here? Kids vaping or smoking? Good luck… totally 💯 lacking creativity in our solutions mate, or maybe… there is more to it…

[@oldnutta7611]

Tell me they're not just mocking us.

[@YUDNSAY]

Could, but that would be lying.

[@mv7405]

If Murray wants vapes banned then ban alcohol and caffeine too. Can’t have it both ways

[@henribuhagiar9445]

When are chemists gonna sell cigarettes?

[@ManplansGodlaughs]

They sell nicotine patches & gum etc minus the smoke 😂

[@NoChannelChannel]

Enough of this over governance,

[@stefan6538]

Tobacco flavor vapes makes me want to smoke the real thing. Adults prefer fruit flavor because it doesn't remind them of cigarettes. Tobacco flavored vapes causes people to fall off the wagon.

[@AussieBeautyMaven1987]

Facts

[@MickDoolan]

@stefan6538 not at all i been vaping black note virgina for years its actually better than any cig i used. The temptation is always there regardless you either vape or smoke or nothing

[@stefan6538]

@@MickDoolan I guess you're the exception. The majority of vape user steer away from tobacco flavors for the reasons I mentioned. Tobacco flavor makes the temptation to smoke real cigarettes even stronger.

[@Lenergyiskey358]

Exactly. It is ridiculous. I seriously believe they don't actually care.

[@rosa9079]

Been smoking tobacco flavoured vapes for about 12 years. Hasn’t made me even think of smoking a cigarette, ever.

[@timothyjackson6191]

Thankfully mark butler is saving the children from adult vapes and adult tobacco and adult cannabis and protecting and saving all the children with numerous injectables and regular boosters,we are truly blessed by mark butlers obsessions with our children and standing up to the 7 million Australian voting adults who value and enjoy consuming vapes tobacco cannabis and don't worry alcohol consumers alcohol is next on mark butlers obsessions list to save all the children

[@andrewwarwick1305]

Another labour joke

[@AussieBeautyMaven1987]

Yeah only in bs flavours that most of us dont want....yes govt, please keep controlling my life! 🙄 might as well tell me what to wear, what to eat, when to sleep, when to go toilet etc like a fkn prison!

[@DolphinBoii]

still a prison colony!

[@AussieBeautyMaven1987]

@@DolphinBoii but its not and it hasn't been for a fk load of yrs, so your point? 👌🤣

[@DolphinBoii]

@AussieBeautyMaven1987 our freedom is being controlled like prisoners

[@AussieBeautyMaven1987]

@@DolphinBoii yeah I agree with that lol

[@englishstark6100]

In a poll 25% of Americans regret taking the you know what.

[@Veritas2233]

I stopped smoking and started vaping 11 years ago.....2 years ago I stopped vaping also. Let people be free . Go and get the alcoholics and people taking elicit drugs.

[@iflyaustralia1751]

Dear Mark Butler, I hope this message reaches you despite the challenging circumstances. I am deeply disappointed by the recent decision to proceed with the vaping ban in Australia, especially in light of the significant concerns raised by experts and health professionals, including myself. As of July 1st, all vape shops across the country have been forced to close, leaving thousands of people without jobs. This outcome was avoidable had there been a willingness to listen to evidence and consider harm reduction strategies rather than an outright prohibition. It's disheartening to see that the ban was only passed with the support of the Green Party, whose influence led to a watered-down version of the legislation. While I understand the political dynamics at play, it is clear that this compromise does little to address the fundamental flaws in the ban itself. The reasoning behind the ban, purportedly to protect children, rings hollow when weighed against the economic devastation and loss of harm reduction options for adults. It is evident to many that this decision was driven more by emotional appeals than by a rational assessment of the evidence and potential consequences. Australia now faces a situation where a thriving industry has been dismantled overnight, with no clear benefit to public health. The opposition has already pledged to reverse this decision upon taking office, underscoring the lack of consensus and foresight in your government's approach. As someone who has benefited from vaping as a tobacco alternative for the past 15 years, I am personally affected by this shortsighted policy. There were viable alternatives, such as regulation and taxation, that could have both supported the industry and contributed positively to public health outcomes. I urge you and your colleagues to reconsider this decision before irreparable damage is done. It is not too late to acknowledge the unintended consequences and seek a more balanced approach that respects the rights of adults, to choose harm reduction strategies while protecting youth through effective regulation. Please reflect on the broader implications of this ban and consider the opportunity to rectify this decision in the interests of public health, economic stability, and personal freedom. Sincerely, ____________ Email the Health Minister NOW ! [e-mail]

[@Wovn]

You forgot to mention the tax aspect. By far their biggest fear.

[@zippyziphead]

Not to mention they are disposable plastic. Great for landfill!

[@Lenergyiskey358]

Exactly. I have had my vape pens for almost 4 years and I'm still using the same ones. The only thing I was putting in the bin are the coils. Disposables are the only thing that should have been banned and here they are, selling them legally. It's insane.

[@Tarotjackpot]

Yes! See them always discarded on the road all the time.

[@snipermama777]

Let people decide for themselves whether they want to smoke or vape. Surely drug addiction and drug dealers are more dangerous!!!!

[@derekbate9919]

what about the vapes that dont have nicotine in them

[@Lenergyiskey358]

Yes!!! They should not have been made illegal. It is the very thing that tells me for sure that it is about the tax they are losing on cigarettes. It is deplorable.

[@larrylongprong5219]

As if Paul Murray doesn’t rip a vape after a KFC bucket!

[@Prognosis__]

😂 where is Nicky? 😂 I miss sending 🤗

[@larrylongprong5219]

@@Prognosis__ she’s in a padded cell unfortunately

[@Prognosis__]

KFC needs a new menu item…the 11 secret herbs and spices shaker fries..that might get be back through their door…Grego from Greg’s kitchen would love it too

[@whiskeygamer9402]

It would be nice if KFC sold a Bucket of Skin😋

[@Prognosis__]

@@larrylongprong5219no 😭

[@henrybarker1159]

Just hand a new income stream to the gangs

[@simplesimon5739]

So basically, chemists are going to make some money.

[@timothyjackson6191]

@simplesimon if it's sold out of the chemist vapes, tobacco nicotine products and cannabis are all good and dandy,but if you get vapes,tobacco products and cannabis somewhere else it's bad so dangerous so deadly it must be at all costs prohibited,I think it's called monopoly

[@SanityTastesGood]

Sugar is the real poison

[@cavscout7113]

High fructose corn syrup.

[@JOEYZ-nq2gn]

​@@cavscout7113sssshhhh America loves poisoning us with HFCS 💸💸

[@johumphrey1048]

Sounds like the government doesn't like loosing money from cigarettes sales .

[@SocialJusticeWorrier]

Cant beat a good old fashioned dirty tabacco cigarette now and again.

[@lordveteran9126]

I wont stop smoking ....how elce am I supposed to smoke weed?.... DUHHH

[@FractalRaver]

Produces smoke? Not unless the temp is too high. But I don’t vape nicotine. Herbs only

[@carlharrison3637]

If they ban smoking cigarettes, they should ban smoking cigars as well then. But they wont - they love their cigars.

[@gaifawcett9760]

Working in a smoke shop. Sales of cigarettes have doubled

[@robokiss7822]

As long as no one hurting anyone and respect each other I couldn't' care less what people do it's should be everyone's right to to do what ever they want , wast there money on smokes , drink , fishing , bush diving in your 4x4 or bike , bild a second house in your backyard what ever it is , we live in Australia not in a communist regime or are we

[@norbertzillatron3456]

Contrary to the common myth, vapor is NOT smoke.

[@mickconnolly5784]

My local chemist said no way he will be selling Vapes Not a chance he said

[@paulwaters753]

Its great that the government done something about vapes should have been done years ago but the ridiculous LNP were too lazy to do anything about the problem!

[@diggerduckaussie6834]

No different to takeaway food, alcohol , getting in your car , walking in a shopping centre, everything is a danger, its people's choice.

[@gogopowerrangers-gogo]

they figured out they can make bank on it.. smh

[@kidsoxoxox]

I always pack spare vapes in my 4x kid's lunch boxes otherwise I just won't hear the end of it. Woe if I get their different flavours mixed up with different days, all very complex now. Last week I pinned a weekly schedule to the Frig door after one too many accusations of Mum stuffing up flavour orders.

[@Lenergyiskey358]

🤣🤣 well you're going to have some tantrums on your hands now aren't you.

[@DavidBrendan7799]

I used vaping to quit smoking. It's cheaper, cleaner and not as bad for me. I enjoy vaping, I didn't really enjoy smoking. I don't have to vape and if I forget it at home, is never big deal. I needed to smoke. Such a big difference. Leave people alone. If they want to smoke. If they want to vape. If they want to drink. Education is prevention, but at some point, we are adults not children. I decide my life. I'm sick and tired of being babysat by the government who clearly doesn't give a crap about me!

[@user-zd2sn3go9f]

Well said sir

[@clevo351]

These politicians have no idea! why dont you ask some leading cardiologists around the world about vaping! Only in Australia we are going backwards we are the laughing stock in the world.

[@wistaban]

They classed it as a tobacco product in my province and put a $15 tax per 30ml bottle. It's corruption pure and simple. They want to make money back on losses from tobacco sales.

[@samanthabarratt7518]

You raise important points. A regulated adult market is what is needed. Vaping should be GST only as it is SIGNIFICANTLY less harmful than smoking.

[@stevenmccloughan]

You are kidding yourself paul if you think smoking figures have dropped due to regulation and taxation of tobacco products. If like you suggest vaping should be regulated you are out of your mind. I am a smoker but as far as the government thinks i am a reformed smoker because i buy my cigarettes on the black market which is huge by the way i know of 10 black market shops near me i can buy smokes for $15 a pack of 20 why would i pay upwards of $50 a pack for legal tobacco products? This was never the case before. The government created this black market and it is thriving its is most likely bigger than the government tobacco market and what they are doing will make vaping the same if not it already is because all these same shops sell vapes.

[@VapeAu]

Australian made, Australian jobs,is what is at risk because people only want what's cheaper. Everyday items most avoid Australian because it's too expensive, the same ones complain our land is not doing well .

[@stevenmccloughan]

Isnt that the problem??

[@violet-kittychick]

Why do I think if they could tax it like they do tobacco and alcohol they would be fine with vaping!!

[@Iwishiwasflying]

“A lot of pollution from vaping” is she smoking something or taking something illegal? What type of smack is she on ?

[@Pay_attention_Benny]

Look at NZ , Vapings harmless. SORRY all the businsess had to close 😢 Its not what u can do for ur country, but what ur country can do for u !

[@Micko1987]

who the hell keeps voting greens!!!

[@DolphinBoii]

14.4 billion year revenue on cigarette tax but "most aussies have given up cigarettes" that number is about to go even higher, aswell as the tax from the deadly pharma vapes. Prison colony logic.

[@3X073K]

it wont work, its already not working and the worse bit is that alot of innocent people just got sacked because of government neglect and short sighted bans. There are places selling vapes for double/triple the price so they just unleashed another black market that they will waste even more money trying to fight. Vapes got me off smokes, now when i run out, i got a choice of which black market to switch onto. Situation is just dumb !

[@RandomCreationsOG]

Anticompetitive practices: The government has restricted vape sales to pharmacies only, potentially creating an artificial monopoly that violates competition laws. Price gouging: There's an extreme markup on vaping products under the new system. For example, vape juice that cost $29.90 for 1000ml is now being sold at $28 for 60ml in pharmacies. This could be considered exploitative pricing, especially if the government is benefiting from these inflated prices. Misuse of regulatory power: The policy appears to be financially motivated rather than health-driven, as evidenced by continued easy access to liquid nicotine. This suggests a possible abuse of regulatory authority. Undue burden on healthcare: The policy is forcing doctors to write prescriptions and pharmacists to manage distribution, potentially negatively impacting the broader healthcare system without clear justification. Consumer rights infringement: By restricting access to a product many use for smoking cessation, the government may be infringing on consumer choice and potentially harming public health. Inconsistent application of law: The discrepancy between the treatment of liquid nicotine and vaping products seems arbitrary and potentially discriminatory. Economic harm: The policy has caused significant economic damage to existing businesses in the vaping industry.

[@Mike-ud6kc]

Whatever we put in our mouth is nobody's business Mr Murray . If I want to smoke ,I smoke, that doesn't mean we are idiots and no sanctimonious idiot should ban our free will , we just enjoy it as nobody lives forever my friend .

[@rickstarcampbell2771]

What about all the taxes the vape shops have given the Australia government? This will not work the black market will thrive, it should be regulated like New Zealand 🇳🇿.

[@martygeisel-hr7bl]

they are just opening up another black market

[@lenn741]

Pollution? From vaping? Give me a break!! Cigarettes are ok though! SMH.

[@seanmcroberts2381]

So hold up, how am I gonna know how much cigarettes I would smoke if I did compared to vapes where I go through a disposable in 4 days? I haven't smoked in nearly a year so do I say a 30 pack in 2-3 days? Hello? Wtf? There were vapes shops in Australia, ones that asked for id, ones that knew fake ID's, ones that had really friendly blokes, why not support them and say "hey we're gonna tax these now and issue fines if you sell to under 18's" It's a win win, shame really.

[@englishmaninswansea8700]

So glad I’m British and can sit back and vape my cheeky xros pro ❤

[@aaronxu8168]

Hit of the Tobacco lol

[@scratchdog2216]

Your consumption will be tracked and reduced accordingly over time.

[@gaifawcett9760]

Wonder why there is a black market?

[@indianacones7004]

Is this satire??

[@AussieBeautyMaven1987]

Unfortunately not... Australia is a fkn joke now

[@williamoneill9573]

How much do they cost ?

[@timvanschuilenburg1524]

Good old cholestrol!😂

[@GarsonLilley]

Rebuildable coil and make my own juice, nice try. All they did was destroy small business owners.

[@bindiboo001]

Steam is pollution 🤔🤣

[@svracing9894]

People Vape because Smokes are $40+, hey Government.

[@carlharrison3637]

Should tax fatty foods for Paul, he could use to lose some weight.

[@sutfuf6756]

The colorful packs are way cheaper; hunt around ;-)

[@gyibAJ]

My local chemist refused to sell me bottle of rum, labor and green pls do something with it

[@MsStack42]

What next ? Chewing gum ?

[@Nathan-fj1tt]

Hey trev there's fuckin no nicotine in vapes mate fakes news

[@gamerlifewith9918]

LoL i bet some people would say I use this much but sell it on the side or something like that idk , hope they take payments plans away like afterpay and other one if they use them or this will become a big problem

[@lER1Kl]

Hey there. Those rules are the same for medical marijuana here in the states. They give me an allotment of 120 grams per 30 days. I can buy all at once or one thing at a time. Crazy they are gonna do that with nicotine. Great content.

[@aimeezmatt]

It will likely be cheaper just to go back to black market tobacco

[@fxdls-8201]

The Australian communist regime!