terroriser and marcel talk behind scenes Alpha Betas argument, making vanoss mad

[@kermitthepog]

Basically's livestream kzbin.infof6qbtWH6jSQ?si=FiJhK4zo2i8p7aF2 Terroriser's livestream kzbin.infocPppAScQ6gc?si=elOXOToE-FoQdbnt

[@Lamie23205]

Thanks kermit

[@That1Savage]

Yo, @kermitthepog Can I send you a video?

[@kermitthepog]

@That1Savage whats it of? my discord is "kermitthepoghi"

[@justbobdude4742]

terrorisers fkn comment on you haha crazy cool how famous you got from just asking questions :D

[@thegamingkirby8696]

This recontextualizes Vanoss' sad rant in the intro of one of his videos. He said that he wasn't very involved in a lot of the stuff and it at first sounded like he felt nervous and didn't put in a lot of input. He even said that he felt like it was his fault for it. Hearing it here now, it recontextualizes that Vanoss couldn't input anything in it at all. Like he and the other guys were barred from ever trying to put their own inputs and that sucks.

[@moshimic5628]

It’s kind of ironic that they went independent and put up a campaign to have creative freedom, just to end up being completely restricted by a company they believed was going to give them just that.

[@justinportillo3996]

@@moshimic5628yeah it’s sad honestly, they wanted to have free range but the major company didn’t let them so they went independent but they still didn’t get any free range so they did all of that for nothing

[@UCantNinjaMe]

I remember vanoss in the beginning of one of his videos saying that he wasn't involved as he wanted to be in alpha betas.

[@goober_uno]

Which is weird cause he made it really sound like it was his fault in that video but hearing other people talk about it sounds like they just weren't really allowed to make *_their_* show.

[@tonysoprano..-]

@@goober_unothat seems pretty characteristic of him from what we know he tends to put himself down a lot of the time like how you can tell he cares about how he’s not super good at CoD (at least he thinks so)

[@Aether_Star]

Which video was that?

[@Snoozytube]

​​@goober_uno that's what happened to Smosh and they got fucked over by the creators with making a shit movie. I'll give the guys some credit they did actually try to make a show but it was pretty forgettable just like that one youtube red series with sark and vanoss.

[@goober_uno]

@@Snoozytube oh yeah that show existed.

[@crunko3432]

to be painfully blunt, I always like the animated series of the Vanoss crew over alpha betas or any animated series for that matter. e.g the magic tomato and team 6 were legendary animations that i would consider still holding up well today. I care more for the crews actual personality and characters then just their voice

[@legalwaiver]

I feel awful for everyone, but especially Vanoss. From what he has produced and his type of humor, he is very creative with the way he does stuff. The fact that he was restricted to that degree would definitely light a few fuses, he shouldn't have been restricted that heavily. Especially considering the fact that these guys have humor which is really dark. It's so sad.

[@legalwaiver]

ew, this acc looks ai generated. wtf bro

[@skuffy4930]

This is why I've been saying these guys should make a Red vs Blue style series inside Gary's Mod, they have all the things they need for it so there would be virtually no limits to their creativity.

[@NachoCheese2]

Yes

[@Dr.Oofers]

Honestly, doing a mini-series via a machinima would be nice. There GMOD skits were always great.

[@skuffy4930]

@@Dr.Oofers yeah! It's just a shame Vanoss doesn't think the same thing, seeing as he doesn't do skits anymore. No, I'm serious. Earlier this year they started to feel really half assed, and now he doesn't even include them!

[@jamesgreen9712]

It just sucks that animation is such space that people who actually produce it rarely have more creative freedom than those who fund it and unless you can accept that you don't get far. Alpha Betas felt promising but with no financial help at it's base it was pretty much doomed, there is only so much that the fans can pay for.

[@wildcat]

Glad you understand. We really tried our best and are incredibly thankful to the fans that crowdfunded the extra episodes we did

[@44President]

​@@wildcatyou cool

[@jamesgreen9712]

​@@wildcat oh wow, I didn't expect that. Yeah, even if the show didn't turn out the way you wanted at least funding it made some awesome content and it really felt like you guys had a good time, considering how strict KZbin has been for the past years I think making alpha betas had to feel refreshing.

[@gamers-mw2se]

@@wildcatily wildcat

[@wombatZ]

@@wildcat I am glad you took that risk :) Have a nice day

[@SkorpionDoorman]

When you take all this into consideration, suddenly a lot of Alpha Beta's problems start making sense. Honestly, I would argue Alpha Betas was a learning experience for the group, a learning experience in the realities of running a show. If they ever try to do something similar to Alpha Betas again in the distant future, you KNOW they're gonna try their damnedest to not repeat the mistakes of Alpha Betas.

[@proud05645]

BIG if

[@zedanide6984]

That's why no matter if you go 100% crowd funded/indie or sign with a big provider like Netflix, you'll get shafted either way. It felt like a Rick and Morty/Inside Job type of show. The concept was unique the jokes were alright but there was no direction on where the show wanted to go. It's the same way a lot of rock/metal bands run things and Vanoss is the lead singer. He just prefers to work his magic on his own while the others work together

[@ignitedmotion5807]

the one time Evans mad its off screen

[@EvaFotia]

Makes sense. It was never a show about the Banana Bus crew or a show created by them. Its just a Rick and Morty rip-off featuring them.

[@Trench1919A4]

What you said honestly describes the show best.

[@MINE_OK]

Honestly would prefer if they just did smth like team 6 but it was more episodic.

[@1969sport]

There was this rockstar that after retired gave the best kinda advice about something you created “Rather you have the creative rights, sell something for thousands, than you not have the rights and sell for millions.”

[@jakr3597]

I genuinely think if they just used their youtube personalities and used the team 6 template they could make a genuinely good show

[@imnotfunnybro]

I remember in a behind the scenes video for Alpha Betas the ONE thing Vanoss and the crew really wanted was to be able to let their creativity run wild for this show. I really liked the pilot for Alpha Betas but after that it kinda sucked, no wonder it failed cuz nobody wants to let people do their own thing for their Own show😭

[@gwer220]

It's like hollywood. They got the actors who will do justice for the role/film they're on, they would then talk with the writers about how they want it, and then the writers will screw it up and not give what the audience and the actors/actresses wanted. I feel bad for the crew and there's definitely a lot of crossed out or scratched off bits in the series.

[@spiral_tap]

sucks that these guys get the chance to make and create a series but have very little creative control on any part of it, especially vanoss who's admitted to being a bit of a perfectionist with his projects.

[@aimanmarzuqi4804]

I always noticed that the dialogue and the dynamic of characters in their Team 6 videos was way better than their Alpha Betas episodes. The Team 6 videos was way funnier and less cliche than Alpha Betas.

[@cameraredeye3115]

So...whose idea was it to limit Evan's input in the now-failed Alpha Betas show? I doubt it was the rest of the crew....

[@reginaldmustardbacon5866]

People scared about finances ending up killing the thing they trying to make

[@crimsoneclipse0618]

3BD most likely

[@BenSpace]

Watching the first episode of Alpha Betas and the second episode back-to-back is super jarring. Felt like the first episode actually cared about the world building, stories and characters.

[@chickenbrother5515]

Love how they have to be cautious of Kermitthepog now, he gets closer and closer by the second

[@yourgoodfriend276]

I think everyone needs to see that video of George Lucas signing away his Star Wars rights and instantly having all his soul and happiness drain from his body on camera

[@thedarkassassin0116]

To be fair, Star Wars wasn’t doing great at the time he signed it off to Disney either. Star Wars was dying. There was so much inconsistency with the EU stories and money was being lost for everyone except Lucas himself. Well, I guess we kinda came back full circle today anyways. The only lynchpins left for Star Wars fans is whatever Filoni and Favreau are able to cook up and that is even now hanging in the balance.

[@dayneinsayne]

​@@thedarkassassin0116 Thank you for not trying to revise history. A lot of people refuse to say Legends is a mess.

[@azcourseer6701]

"hooray! everyone rejoice! we have weighed our options and went with these great people who are going to give us the most creative control and allow us to make something truly unique!! :D" *2 years later*: "so yeah they didnt give us real creative control" tale as old as fucking time... :/

[@IceT-d4s]

After this i just wish Evan gets back to making music cuz he was really good at it

[@frigusgwalker8123]

The funny thing is that they avoided adult swim to prevent something like this from happening.

[@Aether_Star]

But doesn't adult swim give the most creative freedom to the creators? It worked well for Smiling Friends.

[@frigusgwalker8123]

@ I remember one of them mentioning it, though I don’t remember where from. I could be wrong.

[@rocketraccoon3756]

Adult Swim wanted them to make it exclusive on the Adult Swim YT channel! So they could not post it on there own channel! I still think that would have better or atleast not worse then what happened!

[@Punkcartoons]

@@Aether_Star Adult Swim notoriously treats their talent horrendously, their main money makers excluded, but when it comes to their lesser known shows they've had a nasty habit of burying them in the schedule and taking longer and longer hiatuses before silently cancelling them, a number of times without even telling the creators. If their plan was to restrict Alpha Betas to their KZbin channel then that's a sign that they didn't have much faith in it to begin with, and assuming it got about a million views within a week like the average Vanoss GTA/Gmod video usually does then it's likely that it wouldn't have lasted more than a few episodes, if that. The only reason Smiling Friends worked out was because it was an enormous overnight success that roped in both a general audience as well as the existing fans of its creators, due in no small part to its creators being great animators with a long list of equally talented friends to bring on board, it also helped that they both had existing business relationships with the network before the show was even pitched. I think a show made by the Vanoss Crew in full creative control would be great... For Vanoss fans, but I don't think it would translate to an overnight success with a wider audience, a gradual success maybe, but after Rick and Morty threw Adult Swim into the mainstream they've been a lot less patient about shows that only have a cult following.

[@StarWithAPencil]

The pilot seemed promising. They built up antagonists and goals and potential character arcs. But they suddenly skipped all that in episode 2 which really ruined it.

[@jamesgreen9712]

Because they got rejected by most streaming services and networks or turned them down themselves. In the end they simply didn't have enough budget to go with the original idea since it's cost a lot just to make one episode and best they could fund by themselves is four.

[@DarnellCraze2006]

No wonder why when i watched other episodes, It doesn't feel the same like The Pilot in an extent Jeez man

[@alexcount5130]

The show would be more successful if the crew WAS THEMSELEVES rather than acting/ voicing "a character" An example of this is there is an animated video of the crew compete in a music video

[@chillatrix]

it sucks hardcore that the creativity was so limited, I liked the little shorts they were releasing. even as the writing was limited, I think they had a pretty good premise and could've gone far with it, or at least a decent amount. i wonder if it could've had a leg to stand on if they _did_ sign up with one of the major streaming services

[@oliviacooper2702]

Maybe but the reasons why they refused was because the streaming services wouldn't advertise or promote the show well or not give them a lot of air time something like that

[@Canvas12]

“Keep talking please” lol

[@theqcumberguy927]

Honestly, it’s always Sunny but with the Vanoss crew sounds way better

[@OPSouls]

No that name is way to long and I don’t think they would use Vanoss crew in the actual show😂

[@devinbakon]

It's seriously still so strange how the first episode was genuinely really good, and then everything went down hill from there. I wish they had far more power in that specific project sknce it could've been so damn good

[@lmao4894]

They didn't have money to produce a good show.

[@yy22-h2j]

@@lmao4894 thats a straight up lie lol.

[@lmao4894]

@@yy22-h2j bro, why do u think they made a fundraiser? It's so expensive

[@Slurp_Durp]

​​@@lmao4894did you not listen to the video? They didn't have much creativity. If they all were able to be at their 100% the show would of been better. The fundraiser wasn't just meant for vas or writing and shit. Animation aint nothin cheap.

[@hawk7198]

​@Slurp_Durp they had even less creativity in episode 1 which was way better, it's why they turned down deals in the first place

[@Im_Him1234]

It'll always baffle me how companies work with creators(writers, directors, or content creators) and force their ideas onto the show, using the creators likeness. Thats why people liked Alpha Betas, because it was being made by the crew, but because people behind the scenes wanted to force the show into a direction without input, the show flopped.

[@Jordaxio]

To be fair these companies are the same companies that have made the most successful shows. I get it, it was Vanoss's passion project and it meant to be him and his friend's shitty family guy/rick and morty cartoon but if say the people who made South Park or whatever have ideas. I feel like maybe take them into account? And seeing as Vanoss and his crew didn't just fund the entire series themselves, had a Go Fund Me AND needed a major company to produce the show, does that not say alot?

[@slayerrazaro8174]

​@@Jordaxiono it doesn't

[@itzzdelgado]

@@Jordaxioyes they made their own successful show, they didn’t make a Vanoss crew show that NEEDS Vanoss crew energy. You can’t bring them around and tell them to act like different people than the reason people wanna watch🤦‍♂️

[@Jordaxio]

@@itzzdelgado Yes you can. They hired the production and animation team, they got real voice actors and more than likely sold the show/IP as long as they got to star in it cuz its THEIR show. They no longer have creative control because seemingly they couldn't do it by themselves, they needed the help, otherwise they'd have funded that 1 million themselves and had full creative rights. Sure it sucks we wont see what Vanoss has in mind...but like we've seen this 100s of times before.

[@mrnewb2373]

The company saw ways to insert things they thought people would relate to in modern times but the vanoss crew wanted something genuine with their show and was heavily restricted with their creative ideas which ultimately made the later episodes that they fundraised so mid

[@Vdr777]

So the guys didnt have the creative freedom that they wanted? What the fuck. So many animated shorts made by the guys and Evan and they did wonders. Sucks that they were forced to throw their hands up and a shit show that was alright at best.

[@joshuahill6994]

Moral of the story: Just let vanoss do whatever the fck he wants

[@LegoCaptainRex]

I was wondering why Vanoss was lowkey pissed while talking about alpha betas during a video, also explains why the show was kinda trash

[@GreasySwayze]

The show concept is awesome, it just needs good writing with your guy's humor thrown in.

[@yungdre4500]

Anyone else remember that series Vanoss had with Sark and Seananners? I think it was called Paranormal Action Squad. Yeah, nobody remembers that one.

[@Kiyomi1238]

Well it was a youtube red show kind of thing, much like the other youtube reds it hasn’t gotten much traction

[@G1sandG1rlsGaming]

I mean he also had that live action show that I can't even remember if it got more than 1 episode

[@harunomixx02]

​@@G1sandG1rlsGaming the super hero school thingy right?

[@ainaalba-h1p]

That show was actually wayyyyyy better than Alpha Betas lmao😂

[@imnotfunnybro]

I was just thinking about that one, it was on YT red but ever since the sneak peek trailer I haven’t heard a thing about it

[@brianrns2421]

the pilot was kinda good and then the next episode felt like its supposed to be the eight episode 😂

[@user-yr3om5lx2y]

That makes sense why the humor wasn't that great, Evan is funny and so is almost all of the crew in that gritty style. 3BD really screwed everyone it could have been a show that overtook Rick and Morty and the Simpsons, since their comedy has completed died over the years.

[@G1sandG1rlsGaming]

I take it we're not getting those bonus episodes then

[@zee50z58]

I love the fact that Kermit has a reputation with the crew now 😂. I wonder how many of them immediately recognize you when you post in chat 😂.

[@FreneticPotato]

welp, time to rebrand as Permit the Kog now to avoid detection.

[@slaterpnw]

Evan sounds like he dodged a bullet

[@thatemocat]

Screw the company that limited the creative freedom for this show

[@johnprice6271]

I think it would've been better had they just turned on Halo and did everything themselves in that. Hire someone to make a couple maps, someone else to do the editing with Vanoss, and then just go wild in the style they know best. Yeah it wouldn't be animated, but the passion would still be there. Nobody could tell the crew what to do and they themselves could do anything they wanted.

[@DerREALpatrich]

Yeah and-.... Hey wait a second.... That's just their average GTA Session!

[@Spidercake54]

Everyone else is calling it “mid” (god I fucking hate the word) or bad, meanwhile I still enjoyed what we got but what still throws me off is that the pilot was the perfect setup for a season 1 but what we got felt like we skipped that and just went to a season 2 storyline. Like I said it was still enjoyable it just always feels so jarring when going back to watch.

[@willdebeast6849]

I'm genuinely curious. Do you hate the word "mid" because it's been used too much or for a different reason?

[@justinportillo3996]

@@willdebeast6849for me it’s been used too much and for good reasons, everything that has came out has always been mediocre or just straight up bad

[@danielvandersloot543]

So what you're saying was that it was neither good or bad Almost in the 'mid'dle some might even say

[@dspeg3095]

that ending is gold LMAO terroriser knew you were gonna do it

[@brianrns2421]

remember when they say "fck you netflix" because netflix was trying to restrict them ? i do 😂

[@ItsSayrn]

Restricting vanoss is sad

[@inktvis009]

In some ways it's similar to the game they made together (Dead Realm). They have an idea together, work on it for a while and because of many reasons (different opinions, ideas, no interest) it just stops being worked on or developed. Sad to see those projects put down.

[@Savitar1976]

They didn't make it i think vanoss had shares in the game but thats pretty much it nogla and terroriser already talked about it on the react channel

[@KechingGI]

Deadrealm was not “Their game”

[@garynebus8717]

I loved the show I wish y’all would and try to do more but I understand

[@frigusgwalker8123]

It would’ve been better if all the money we raised went to you guys, and it would’ve been put towards something more akin to Team 6. Oh well

[@kreiguana]

this is prolly not relevant, but it so reminded me of how Smosh was goin through a polar opposite thing back then when their then parent company had WAY too many ideas and plans for anthony and ian that it was too much I wish they get more creative freedom for alpha betas someday cuz, i was really hoping for vanoss crew style humor in the later episodes but.. kinda fell flat😢

[@Ryan112000]

Thats why team 6 is somehow better than alphabetas

[@Mark6O9]

Never team up with Adult Swim ever

[@smoke3dR]

I was so hyped for the show. Only for it to seemingly fall off the Radar. Idk where to watch it, but if its not even continueing, I don't see the point. I think the guys should buy the rights to the show, and hire Animaters who are fans of the crew, to make the show, while the guys voice them. Then it would be a Community show, for the Fans, made by Fans of the crew.

[@theenglishartist3794]

It was a shame cuz the whole point of alpha betas was to make a show they had full creative liberty over. Btw tho, the whole series is on the official alpha betas yt channel (4 episodes) except for the pilot that's on Vanoss's

[@arnoldramos4262]

Like the complete difference from episode 1 to the rest of the season was Atrocious, you had good episode and show us what alpha betas can be with all the creativity and possibility’s of endless of games you could explore, and then they just rushed through all that and gave us cringy shit jokes that they tried relating to internet stuff about being edgy, cancellation, crypto scam, etc. really wish the guys would have gotten the same involvement they had for episode 1

[@edit0r_morbius]

(Sorry for this long comment, but I just wanna share my true opinion on Alpha Betas. You can correct me if im wrong on anything) Ever since the show ended, I felt like Alpha Betas was okay at best (boring at worst no offense). While there were *some* good moments in the show, like Moo's cameo or the pilot episode, I knew something felt off when I watched the episodes and noticed how off some of the dialogue was and how rushed the plot felt. During that time, it really felt like something was missing. I would have at least expected something that was like the Team 6 or Magic Tomato series. After watching the video, it really made more sense as to why I wasn't really too hyped when watching the episodes. I mainly watched Alpha Betas expecting the characters to has some resemblance to the actors (in this case Brian, Marcel, Tyler, and Evan). But what I saw instead was the actors reading off of scripts with almost none of their creativity or input put into the scenes. The actors' OWN show by the way. It was a shame that the guys weren't allowed full creativity and I really feel bad cause they were so hyped to work on the show :(

[@BenSpace]

I agree, the pilot episode is easily the best one. Sucks that they ruined everything that they built up in the first episode by skipping ahead a few years in the second episode. Really feels like they wanted to make jokes about COVID and how long it has been in real time since the first episode dropped that they discarded what makes the series unique in the first place.

[@syndrette]

Imagine setting up a story and skipping it in the second episode This show is what everyone says helluva boss is

[@barnified]

what... helluva boss has bad writing at times yes but its completly different shows, written by completly different people... comparing 2 shows that have very different production styles is kinda confusing, and..., well yknow kinda dickish?

[@AgBRUV]

@@barnifiedwhat are you even saying you added nothing and just called this guy a dick wtf?

[@Scuffedskeleton2025]

@@barnifiednot really helluva boss is better than the shit that was alpha betas

[@JustinSOMO]

He definitely has to lower his game volume lol. I barely heard him over his loud ass gun

[@Stak0]

Kermit is the ultimate Tier 3 simp

[@ryankendall3610]

I wish it would’ve gone on longer but we all knew that it was meant for the next life

[@ThenameisNiels]

gameplay is not loud enough, I can almost hear what you are saying

[@chinimangaming4033]

well its not his recording, and the actual footage is a stream so obviously the game is gonna be loud

[@onyx_gabriel]

I was really hoping for the Minecraft Chinese bit during the Kickstarter livestream

[@axesoccer7887]

I always found it funny that in the time of “cultural appropriation”, no one batted an eye to Evan playing a white guy.

[@jeffreyhays5964]

I don’t think anyone batted an eye to that show in general

[@OrbitZombie]

You can't be culturally insensitive to a generic white American.

[@oliviacooper2702]

Apparently eddie is Asian but it's not out right said

[@TheHappyWhale]

is cultural appropriation a thing still? Legit dont think i've heard of it since like 2016 lol

[@oliviacooper2702]

Plus I was just under the impression that eddie just looked occidental but was asian

[@Vulkan06110]

Terrorizer shut you down eh

[@kermitthepog]

yes, its a bit him and i do in his livestreams, i dont mind tho its all just for fun

[@Leshy_]

And people thought I was crazy for hating it, it clearly hindered these guys from making and showing their creativity.

[@Big_babo]

Naw that game with jack black was brutal legend with the record store one of my favorite games 10/10

[@eliottdeletraz97]

Made by the very talented studio double fine, same creator of psychonautes.

[@Its-Babz]

Brian's got your number, Pogman!

[@flashygreenx8828]

My opinion isn’t too relevant but I wasn’t sold on the show. The pilot was alright but. Idk I didn’t have much hope. So I didn’t have much care. Even though I’m a fan of vanoss and the others. I was quite alright watching their usual videos. Even the alpha betas theme vids. Maybe because of final space, inside job, hazbin hotel. Shows got cancelled or didn’t go as planned. Being amazing or mid. Something bad always happened that affected it

[@mistermann4163]

I got a few chuckles from the Pilot but it was a start that could get better with more inside jokes about video games with the government angle adding to it with competitors, rogue AI's, and the internal backstabbing of Beta Squad. The time skip and the rushed season did nothing but make me question what I was watching since everything was resolved with nothing satisfying as a result. The one thing I was hoping that the back mail that was hanging over the 4 was something really bad with only Vannoss character knowing what it is but never showed it for how it would change everyone's perspective about him. And not him just getting so drunk to be able to blow himself because sex joke funny so laugh like every other joke in the show that has nothing to really do with gaming or the Vanoss Crew's kinds of humor.

[@IronNinja]

Honestly Alpha Beta’s is a great example on how not to make a second episode, you build up an entire throughline, with Beta Team, a team dedicated to making Alpha team fail, and to then replace them as true successors, but instead they completely ditch the end of episode hook and continue at the end of that story, and do a plot on Cancel Culture… a topic so boring nearly every Right Wing Grifter has made a unfunny joke about it, it felt like such wasted potential

[@AgeofJP]

I think the main problem with the show was that they fundamentally didn't go for what we the fans love about the crew, and instead made a rather generic cartoon with just a touch of their identity seeping through. The same thing already happened with their Team 6 animation that felt distinctly scripted and overall less funny compared to the animated clips of just random funny moments, but the disconnect in Alpha Betas was even way stronger than that. There's a perfect counter example for this, a show created by KZbinrs that did EVERYTHING right and should be studied as the new gold standard, and that is Smiling Friends. Nothing about Smiling Friends is generic, it doesn't take itself serious at all and most importantly it absolutely NAILS the unique humor that fans of Oneyplays learned to love by being exposed to Zach Hadel...as a writer he succeeded to script his own random ass improv humor, often making direct references clips or running gags from the Oneyplays channel, and somehow he made the scripted version hit exactly the same nerves as the genuine article. And who knew, by not trying to be "just another cartoon" and by understanding their own fanbase the show became a suprise hit and received universal praise, got a 2nd season and continued to deliver the same quality content again, and now afaik got even the 3rd season greenlit for production. And that show is now beloved way beyond just the echochamber of Oneyplays fans...don't cater to a generic TV audience that hates most things it's being fed, when you literally have already garnered an audience that adores you, just use the same method that got you those fans. Generic TV audiences LOVE good humor but generic TV doesn't deliver that, so don't take their garbage as inspiration and simply offer your tried and tested style to another platform. Just be genuine and it'll work out...

[@Leshy_]

Heres my full rant about the alpha betas. It was boring. It was mediocre at best. Idk who write this, who's behind the writing department but it was clearly someone who's only doing this for the sake of money so they don't care putting garbage content as long as we stripped these guys out of their fortune and fame. I don't even know who they keep adding characters that aren't even funny like the girls or the guys whos like a yes man. It's not that funny. These guys are creative and funny in their own way, why not let it show in their series? It's unique, it's what made them famous. That's the director who failed to see the group why it exists in the first place and why its strong even in 10 years. It was so obvious how dead and mediocre the studio was, the only thing left in that show needs is a laughing side track from SNL because its dying. Its like velma and inside job tried a baby and this was it. I could not find fault in any of the guys whether its Evan, Marcel or Brian, finding the show bad or getting pissed at the show because this could've catapult into success. Too bad, it was mishandled. Corporate greed only cares what the number brings and not the quality it seems.

[@legendaryfailure]

it happens a lot when it comes to creative process and its such bullshit, bigwigs at studios just hate on people who's startup is youtube for no reason

[@Leshy_]

​@@legendaryfailure I hear you, I know it happens a lot that's why we need to voice it out more because these people who are like keep doing these will continue doing this because aside that they don't care, it's because everyone will give up and soon in like 10 months everyone will forgot about it. Is that the world we should live in?

[@Hasan-hm5fy]

I love the guys humor but that show legit barely made me laugh ever, the most was vanoss yelling at the computer but that seems like his own thing anyway

[@razzorrok7186]

I agree; I found myself disengaged from the show largely due to its writing. In other animated projects by Evan, such as Team 6 or The Magic Tomato, there was a genuine sense of heart and creatively. These projects were unique because the writing was handled almost exclusively by Evan and the rest of the group, unrestrained by corporate restrictions. We know that the group, but mainly Evan are really creative as individuals, as we know best from watching all of the funny shit they’ve done in the past. When you limit that creativity you get an uncreative, unfunny, uninspired show. I was also drawn off by the characters in Alpha Betas, it just felt weird hearing Evan’s voice and him being called “Eddie” by the others, etc.

[@masteroak]

Didn’t anyone even get the limited edition gaming chair? Like I remember All the hype and it dried off so quick. Rip

[@mpsins]

I really liked the show. I'm glad I didn't donate anything now that I know for sure it's gone.

[@FrostTrickz84]

I would pay so much for a vanoss crew podcast. Not like the wildcast I want Evan as the main host type shit that would be as big as the face cam

[@sonicexereaper6814]

Comes to show that you shouldn’t trust corporations to do the deed for you. Alpha Betas could’ve gain the opportunity if the corporate members allowed talented members to steer the ship of this project, but no, they prefer “playing it safe” like Google with KZbin and thinks a KZbinr’s name will rank in the numbers. Anyway, I think the gang should take notes from other projects like for example, how Nicola Piro of Grezzo Due did with his Kickstarter of Grezzo Due 2. Not only did he stepped up the budget, but more importantly, he hired a good team and staff where he has full control over when it comes to making decisions, hence why the sequel still possesses the same edgy, mockery humor the first game possessed. If the Vanoss gang did plan to make another indie animated series, they’re definitely gonna need to hire a team where they can gain full control over. It’s definitely something Vanoss wishes he could’ve done with Alpha Betas.

[@worthy17]

They should talk on wildcats podcasts

[@ODaiiro]

Team 6 should return I guess

[@Joe-7706]

I don’t even think that will happen anytime soon

[@joshreaperrodriguez]

Kind of figure the show wouldn't last long

[@project-seven]

Same issues with a lot tv shows and movie ths days especially marvel movies getting ruined by Disney and WB ruining DC movies😂

[@harveyquinn7961]

WB straight fumbling so hard

[@brianrns2421]

so thats why the donation stream was more entertaining than the actual show 😂

[@E-GeL]

WHAT?!? BRUH, I spent 200 (split between me and lil bro) and I always thought it was good but "eh, they could've done better", now this EXPLAINS WHY!!! If u want to know if I'm BSing or not, ep.2 - 12:24, Rigel and Rohan

[@lazy6914]

That makes sense why the show was kind of mediocre, and the jokes were not hitting as hard as I thought they would.

[@kawardt6784]

Like, they definately can get their animation out with smaller animation creators on KZbin. Corporation will definately be more rigid.

[@Skurtz901]

Probably would get de monetized and the whole point of making the show is for money

[@trtheshark9994]

This is why the magic tomato and team 6 is better than alpha betas

[@iamindeedtuki]

I love the character designs but the story is okay. Maybe they tried to cater the show, not only to the loyal fans, but also to the future younger audience, that's why 🤔 Well, now they know how the productions are and hopefully to make their own production team 😂

[@OrbitZombie]

Just being real here, but I kinda figured Alpha Betas was dead in the water right off the bat. The title of show is cringe. The show itself (pilot included) was meh and trying too hard.

[@lmao4894]

Like they said, they were restricted with a lot of things.

[@SyntherRo]

Yeah we never getting that podcast :v

[@FreneticPotato]

Fat chance with how introverted Evan apparently is.

[@Toiletdestroyerofworlds]

Brians reaction kinda reminded me of paparazzi harassing celebrities, do you think he's bothered with the fact you clip their streams?

[@Bartosz1944PL]

So thats why show was mediocre

[@mrunknown138]

I immediately left due to the horrible writing. Like I hate how I was interested at the start. Then they do a 180 and do a Covid story line. With the first few lines “I’d rather get COVID then talk about it” that immediately made me quit.

[@dzd__2216]

Pretty sure it’s literally because it’s makes for kids

[@CountHasting]

​@@dzd__2216the show was absolutely not made for kids

[@dzd__2216]

@ it 100% is it’s literally advertised for kids/teens

[@CountHasting]

@dzd__2216 episode 5 36 seconds in they literally say fuckhow is that advertised towards kids

[@pablozxhersimon3730]

So is the show still in production, or was the one season it? Because i haven't heard from this show in what feels like forever

[@Ls-Entertainment]

It got cancelled

[@pablozxhersimon3730]

@Ls-Entertainment ...oh

[@Kay-lo3td]

I loved the first episode but fell out of it

[@way__zzz6694]

Alpha betas was ass ima js say it since no one else wants to

[@BB-lv2bm]

the pilot was so good, and then it felt like some one behind the scenes hated the pilot and scrapped everything that pilot set up in favor of a really really bad covid joke and a totally overhauled story where no one has any actual character and its just bad video game refference after bad video game reference.

[@goldenfoxy23]

I always wonder y when it came out it felt like a season 2 than a season 1 :/

[@brianrns2421]

this is what ive been thinking about

[@Madude62]

You think they can get help from Glitch?

[@Mr.observer47]

The animation studio or the gamer energy drink?

[@Madude62]

@ the animation studio forgot to clarify since there’s 2 companies named Glitch xd

[@chrodeadman]

​@@Madude62 Unlikely. Smg4 and Vanoss have very different styles of comedy. One is more light hearted and friendly while the other is black humor and more on the taboo side. If it refers to the quality, possibly. But these two will likely butt heads and clash on what should be included, how it should be written, the impressions of people, overarching stories, etc. So it could be a possibility but I doubt it.

[@officiallyzap]

@@chrodeadmansmg4’s comedy isnt related to glitch, the creators of smg4 are the same as glitch but as far as that company goes they’re just like a big umbrella with multiple animations under it. The demographic is very different, the crew are very adult oriented humor while Glitch is obviously strong at the children demographic

[@chrodeadman]

@@officiallyzap as I said, for this reason and more they will likely butt heads on the overall themes and such related to stories and arcs. We are putting two styles of how things are done against one another, and this will eventually lead to a falling out. As they say, too many cooks ruins the whole broth.

[@MrOutlast]

Welcome back. Lui needs more donation money

[@CalebSenfanix]

So there was only one episode?

[@RedRacc]

there were five and a couple bonus episodes, but that was all they were able to make

[@DeltaRed12]

He knew

[@eliottdeletraz97]

This is the problem with so much big studios those days. They are ready to make your serie only if you agree to their conditions. At the end, they are making series with a huge lack of story writin efforts and cancel the serie even at the middle of the first season. There are even worse fates.

[@hawk7198]

People do realise that in episode 1 they had less creative control and it turned out way better for it, which is the whole reason they turned down deals and wanted to make it themselves with more control then the show gets worse

[@Dr.Oofers]

Pretty sure you got it backwards.

[@russmastermasterofrusses7463]

Hey Kermit The Pog. Do you think you could ask whatever happened to the whole "KZbin Membership" thing? I know Evan doesn't really do anything for it anymore and it's been a long time since there was anything regarding that(I'm not sure about the others).

[@kermitthepog]

Tried already here you go kzbin.info/www/bejne/g2XchZ6CaZ6LaM0

[@kermitthepog]

Terroriser doesn't use it for uncensored videos anymore, i think he moved it to patreon along with nogla too

[@kermitthepog]

Idk if you can see the link i put before my last comment but it goes to when evan briefly talked about the membership thing

[@russmastermasterofrusses7463]

@@kermitthepog Thank you