Tesla Cans Controversial Cybertruck Feature: Floodgates Open

[@Swapnil638]

13:01 Elon’s contention is regarding what Rawlinson contributed to the Model S, not what his position was in the company. Peter having had a VP position or having being a spokesman doesn’t at all contradict Elon’s story (which may or may not be correct).

[@SCWgreg]

Some reasons for FSD challenges with the CyberTruck: 1) variable ride heights affects camera angles and perception of depth of field, 2) 4-wheel steer affects behavior of the tale end of the vehicle (the way it swings out), 3) steer-by-wire steering ratio behaves differently than the rest of the lineup.

[@635574]

They really need to train the system too fully generalize to diffefent cameras or they've have 3+ models without FSD.

[@radicalrick9587]

*As a programmer, I can tell you those are simple modification line of codes for each vehicle in the line up.*

[@tedoptional-p8l]

@@radicalrick9587 Yes, it's always in the proof that it works.

[@GenieFarms]

​@@radicalrick9587what software programs do I have too learn too be a programmer?

[@NAY2GAS]

22:15 I hate Hybrids. I had to drive one in June when I was in Los Angeles because the rental company had no electric vehicles available. And oh it’s so depressing. Every single red light you stop at, the engine shuts off. And then when you press accelerator, it starts back up again. The Tesla that was on my left is already a block away. It’s just so depressing. I’ve never owned a hybrid and I never will. KBB states that they ignite more than 100% combustion vehicles. That’s because they have more components under the hood. The more components you have under the hood the more maintenance you need. That’s why the dealerships love them.

[@bw7069]

As an engineer, you can be added to a project in the later stages and still get credit for the project. Rawlinson could be titled as chief engineer when the project is 95% complete. He is still chief engineer, but it doesn’t mean that he designed it.

[@johnpoldo8817]

Regarding Lucid, I was able to compare it to our model S about 20 months ago. After spending $155K plus awful tax, I was disappointed with bugs for the price. Every time I exited the vehicle, my head bumped the roof because they didn’t provide easy exit like Tesla. We never heard the GPS provide directions because it was locked to same volume as entertainment. Most EVs allow you to push its charging door to open it, but Lucid’s door rarely responds. I don’t like big brother and Alexa listening to my conversation. But, Lucid requires an Alexa account for voice commands, sorry no. Forget about wireless charging your cell phone in its unreliable clam shell holder. Hopefully, all these and other problems are now fixed. On the positive side, Lucid Air GT has a fabulous ride, great efficiency, and ultra long range.

[@dugfriendly]

I’m careful to separate my love of Tesla cars from feelings about Elon.

[@38Flyer]

Kim and PJ, there is a big difference between Lucid and TSLA regarding profit/loss per vehicle as you did reference. I like the Lucid in both appearance and performance but with a loss of a reported $400,000 per vehicle, they are not in the same universe as Rawlinson's former employer. Endless supply of foreign money will not make people buy a Lucid. It must be the product itself. As Elon always says, scaling is the hardest thing.

[@Johnbot201]

Tesla UI is the best by far IMO. I've owned several other brand EVs and they don't compare. I personally like the single large screen that controls everything. Lucid would be gone without Saudi support let's not forget. Their motors are very elegant though.

[@Bb-br3xg]

They are great cars but have reliability issues and are so expensive and they still can’t profit on them… they are very far away from the massive company that Tesla now is lol

[@eugeneputin1858]

I like the lucid but talking about efficiency and engineering is a moot point when your car cost 2.5 times more than a comparable/very capable plaid. Has crappy charging support as well.

[@yhk1977]

But charging support is a moot point if you are charging at home. Doesn’t make sense if someone is spending over $100k and plans to only public charge. Anyway Tesla infrastructure will be public to all.

[@eugeneputin1858]

@@yhk1977 I was talking about taking trips but yes, for most, moot point. Doesn’t discount the price difference though

[@yhk1977]

@@eugeneputin1858oh definitely have to agree. You can’t beat what you get in the Plaid 👍🏼 dollar for dollar it’s an amazing performance machine.

[@theodorehaskins3756]

Hey PJ! Your wife Kim is a real bad ass! She went right to the throat of Ford with that comment that they can’t compete, and fortunately, I am not a big fan of Ford, and I happen to agree with her. Cheers 🥂

[@tapuzak]

Kim, you are 100% correct in practice- the no resale for previous buyers is merely a technicality now

[@phillipduncan2497]

Do you really need heated seats and steering wheel in Mexico?

[@ItsKimJava]

Vented seats are gone too.

[@TheDarinseng]

@@ItsKimJava Model 3 Retro is seems. A 3k discounted retro Model 3 could reach enough of a price point to engage a market currently not captured for Tesla at least in the US market. It will however need to have a battery pack in it that will qualify for rebate to be viable.

[@bnd123us]

@@ItsKimJavaMexicans live without vented seats. But heated seats absolutely unnecessary.

[@tedoptional-p8l]

@@bnd123us In the mountains?

[@LestatTravesty]

they need it for american tourist rentals lol

[@dang2055]

If you are shipping models to a place that rarely gets extremely cold or snows why is it so hard to believe they are not using heated seats and steering wheels? It’s also why it’s only rear wheel drive. RWD is fine when it doesn’t snow. The lower you can get the price of the vehicle the more people that can buy it so it seems like all great idea for the ones going to Mexico.

[@tedoptional-p8l]

Generally the easy stuff gets done first, then the harder stuff. Other manufacturers should take note. Software ain't easy.

[@techyjames1945]

What about fact we still don’t have FSD Supervised on 12.5.x for Hardware 3 cars.

[@jaythailer6937]

Check your downloads. I know some HW 3 people that just got it.

[@mongermong]

started rolling out yesterday

[@adrianlibert9682]

At some point Tesla needs to deliver FSD on HW3 or issue full refunds to those who purchased it in good faith.

[@mongermong]

@@adrianlibert9682 it’s already rolling out, so don’t be mad

[@ChallengerRising]

$2700 price difference is not big enough to make any difference in demand. Needs to be $6000 less for those deletions.

[@RayNLA]

At least 5k!

[@tedoptional-p8l]

Perhaps Tesla made more potential customer studies than you did.

[@ChallengerRising]

@@tedoptional-p8l - probably, but not worth only $2700 less for all the missing stuff. But for that it should only cost $29,900 IMO MSRP

[@oj9886]

50 dollars a month is great deal for unlimited super charging

[@DetlevRackow]

Regarding Buzz range: Did you actually stand in front of one? The front face is absolutely huge, and since air drag is proportional to front face size, you lose range at the same factor - twice the front face means half the range. They could try to reduce cw, but then that iconic design would look more like a SUV. You can't have it all :)

[@michaelsmithers4900]

I don’t understand why it seems weird that Tesla would try a pair down model 3 base to increase the TAM or total addressable market to lower the price by US$3000 so more people can afford it. It makes sense to me.

[@enoughofthis]

Tesla 10 years ago: Battery, drive train , was most important Lucid: Now( 10 years later) Battery, drive train Tesla now: Humanoid robots FSD Robotaxi Evergy Semi Solar roof Lucid: what?, what are those? Tesla: these are the thing we are " distracted by.

[@tedoptional-p8l]

Yes, me too. Where do I get some evergy? I need some. Maybe that new nuclear battery".

[@wolfgangpreier9160]

@@tedoptional-p8l 1 dot 21 gigawatts.

[@LestatTravesty]

forgot putting a man in space in a Roadster. come on man lol ...that dude is probably at the asteroid belt by now btw lmao

[@SCWgreg]

@@enoughofthis exactly! And even SpaceX, Starlink, and xAi “distractions” lead to improvements in Tesla, I.e. materials science, future improved connectivity in the making, and improved driving and communications.

[@richb2229]

@@LestatTravestythe Roadster is in orbit between earth and mars. And will be there a very long time.

[@scottbreseke716]

I do not think it's weird that Tesla would try to do the best they could to make the cheapest priced Model 3 for those who have trouble being able to afford one.

[@adrianlibert9682]

I have questions. If I buy a vehicle (or nothing else for that matter) do I own it or not? What possible right does a vendor have over an item that I purchased? Also, you can’t say on one hand “we’re protecting people from price gouging” and then on the other hand Tesla was selling used Teslas for MORE money than new ones during the pandemic. This practice needs to be outlawed. Either you own it or you don’t. Period.

[@Lifesurfer001-iq7nf]

PJ should make an additional channel showing how EVs, solar and green technology can help our environment. Also do a video on how evaluate with a EV before and after a hurricane/tornado/storm. The weather is becoming more extreme in my state of Florida and trusted meteorologist can help bring attention it.

[@StalePhish]

The "spewing toxic fumes" part is kind of hilarious, as if a normal semi truck on fire isn't already spewing toxic fumes. Heck, a semi truck or even a gasoline car spews toxic fumes literally as just normal operating behavior.

[@robertl2227]

I definitely want a Buzz when it comes down to $20k

[@BrianKlesmith]

I don’t care what they remove, if they add a margarita machine I’m buying the Mexican version!

[@carensimon4236]

I think it just means there is no need any longer for that rule - but it was necessary to control scalping initially as a protection to customers.

[@MODELWI-tu2oi]

Hybrids don't make the air cleaner much at all. Hybrids don't reduce green house gases much at all. If everyone pluged in their plug-in hybrid, that would save some air pollution and some green house gases (here in California), but apparently I was one of the few to plug in my Chevy Volt when I had it. If you don't plug in your plug-in hybrid, you will cause more air pollution and spew more green house gases than if you'd bought a hybrid. Right now, California generates more solar electricity during the day that can be used, so we should all be charging our cars during the day.

[@lazyteddy123456]

I really wish that FSD could be purchased at the account level instead of the car level, so you could one-time purchase FSD and then have it forever in any tesla you get into.

[@berthogendoorn2133]

Lucid has better battery management charging speed much more space with the better much smaller and powerful drive train. So they are tech savey, wait till Gravity comes out. I have a model 2023 Tesla Y AWD long range AWD, so it's not that I dislike Tesla, but Lucid should be credited for their tech.

[@3DThrills]

Compute needs more data to train the Cybertruck before it can release FSD to customers.

[@paulswanenburg7445]

Do not bite the hand that feeds you!!

[@roberthunter779]

Regarding the Tesla Semi fire: It is such good news the driver got out. I watched an article that the Aurora, Colorado fire department has adopted a “blanket” extinguisher. It was used at a residence and made a tremendous difference. I am retired from the airlines. Right before I left they began equipping flights with a “pouch” to deal with phone and computer fires in flight. To great effect. My last comment is Tesla’s lack of response or information regarding the Fatal accident and fire in Santa Clara, Ca. Nov. 2023. I own a Y. Tragically this mother and daughter took their Y to a doctor’s appt.. They hit a tree and were consumed in the fire. The lack of information to me is deafening.

[@jorgesmith2000]

Online terms are dynamic. The latest terms online take precedence. Kim is correct.

[@craigwflys]

My wife is from Mexico (Ensenada) and we go down there about once a month. Bought a Model Y a few months ago and have taken it down there twice. I haven't seen any EV's including Tesla at all. Luckily there is a supercharger in Ensenada. Most people there are financially challenged and want everything as cheap as possible. They are slow to adopt to most new technology so it just might be a matter of time.

[@sxmolin]

Ford needs more hybrid models and sedan hybrids bring back Focus and Taurus

[@richb2229]

The “new” Model 3 base model is a test case is reasonable for outside the US. In the US it’s not cheap enough to move the needle when it comes to sales. However there is supposed to be a cheaper version (2.5) in the Spring of 2025. Hopefully, we will learn more on 10/10.

[@teslatalk42069]

The no resell policy disappeared in June

[@corresandberg]

I'm Swedish , Scandinavia 🇸🇪♥️ I love fabric not leather. Leather is for battle, fabric or cloth is soft - like a morhers touch

[@almonster2066]

Budget is budget. Mexico's per capita GDP is very low. Any feature that cost extra - gone. Lucid - ha. They have no where to charge and will go bankrupt and give up just like GM and Volkswagon.

[@wgs256614]

Elon famously said, "Production is hard. Prototypes are easy." Lucid makes a great product that few can afford. They have been losing $ since they started up. It is hard to stay in business when you cannot make a profit.

[@L-2-c2t]

While I don't drive I80 daily, I drive it weekly (just personal vehicle). Thank goodness I wasn't driving that day. A detour to Highway 50 can easily double my driving time. Apparently, the usual plan is to let the fire burn itself out and water is generally not used on lithium battery fires. I read Tesla semitruck batteries could be 10x the size of an EV car battery. Perhaps any government needs to consider fire-fighting tech and toxic fumes mitigation; or even reconsider the use of EV-semitruck usage. I cannot see risking 13+ hour main freeway shutdowns in this section of I80 which already has full closures for weather/snow-season along with occasional forest fire closures at other times.

[@BarryGGould]

65k for the vw ev hippy van is pretty fair but at that price point the range should be quite a bit better

[@TrevelyanOO6]

I assume no FSD because they need driving data of people driving cybertrucks.

[@TheDarinseng]

FSD for the Cybertruck could have some special needs for FSD. Rear Wheel steer for sure can change the driving dynamics as its steering path would be slightly different. The additional front facing camera can also be a factor with an additional data stream coming in for FSD to take into account (if it will).

[@CoachBorne]

Still don't understand with Hybrids fires not ever being talked about!!!

[@radicalrick9587]

*Tesla was simply trying to prevent people from buying a large number of vehicles to flip, which would have cut out those who genuinely wanted to purchase one at a normal price for themselves. Without this intervention, buyers might have struggled to find one because dealers and flippers would have bought them all up early on, much like ticket scalpers do. Scalpers buy out all the tickets and then resell them at inflated prices, meaning that if you want to see your favorite performer, you now have to pay ten times the original price. That's what Tesla was trying to prevent.* *However, it didn't work because many were willing to pay double the cost without hesitation to get their hands on a Cybertruck before everyone else.*

[@adrianlibert9682]

If that were the case, they simply could’ve restricted the number of purchases per buyer. Either I own the vehicle or I don’t.

[@radicalrick9587]

@@adrianlibert9682 *Whatever Tesla intention were, I know they are always trying to be fair to everyone. Nobody perfect.*

[@JakesOnline]

Is the textile seat less "sweaty"?

[@stennordenmalm9900]

Tesla is getting more and more behind the EV competition

[@oykkh29]

Great podd 👍🏻👌🏻

[@electricvehiclesug256]

Nice video

[@TGA-o2x]

Nice job as usual. We're on our third Tesla now. We have FSD on the Y but didn't get FSD on the Model 3 refresh as it will be more of an "in-town" car. However, park assist and perhaps summon are really desirable features for local driving, running errands, etc. It would be nice to see these un-coupled from FSD or even autopilot enhanced. A la carte features at a lower price point would be nice and perhaps add a little more profit for Tesla.

[@dstylez1171]

People are fearful of change thats why there are such negativity....but i am sure everyone is using a cell phone right now 😂

[@grownnotflown2]

Fsd is terrifying

[@ModPhreak]

Tesla has done this super low trim level in other places in the world, to fit a price range or incentive brackets, you guys need to get out more 😎

[@Leo-wild3648]

I think they should do more plug-in hybrid because there’s difference between hybrid and plug-in hybrid so for customers to take a dip into the electric world I think they should consider purchasing a plug-in hybrid

[@smithcon]

Lucid's hardware engineering is so much better that Tesla's: *way* better driving dynamics, way better build and interior quality, more efficient drivetrains, and better space utilization -- so much more roomy that a Model S. Software-wise, they are way behind, but Tesla had many more years to nail the software experience. And of course, Tesla has had many more years (and years of government subsidies) to figure out how to design for cheaply buildable cars

[@dannywinget]

100000 Cybertrucks reselling in 3…2….1

[@adrianlibert9682]

So, when it comes out that Tesla can’t deliver FSD on HW3 (or possibly HW4), when will they issue FULL refunds to those who purchased FSD in good faith?

[@eb1888.]

Tesla could get more out of the M3 line with a reduced price. Take away acoustic glass, a rear screen, multicolor light. To really make the M3 line take off Tesla could add something from the Model S- a liftback. Sales would jump up.

[@thisistheboi]

I just want them to make a plug in hybrid full size fan with a build in solar charge controller option for the ultimate camper van

[@sigma682]

Keyword: afford. Only the Foundation series is what people can order, people are likely just holding their reservations for the cheaper trim.

[@jeffbransky7966]

1. Did the semi crash or did it just spontaneously catch on fire? 2. Did the driver fall asleep at three am ? 3. It’s interesting how the Fire Fighters were equipped to keep the fire under control so it didn’t spread. 4. Was a total shutdown of the highway for 24 hours warranted?

[@grahamfowke]

Why no FSD for the Semi, especially on highways? It would seem to be a really useful use of the technology allowing drivers to arrive refreshed at their destination.

[@srqTactical]

I just click to see Kim :)

[@Dularr]

Depends if Tesla will enforce the contract.

[@whiteb68]

Would really love to see some 8 seat EV options! I have 5 kids! The Model X is starting to get a little tight on trips.

[@johnreed5056]

Check out Lucid Gravity that is coming later this year

[@steveblomefield9513]

They didn't put the semi fire out. It burned out

[@Yanquetino]

I posted my comment on the corresponding Patreon pre-release.

[@stevenjames9487]

They are having trouble with sales

[@knewhunter1]

Considering who the main Lucid stakeholders are, I think we all know how Rawlinson will end up when Lucid fails.

[@SubstreamNewsNetwork]

Is there much deamd for resales? Who is buying them in the first place??

[@mysurlytrucker7510]

Lucid wishes, does the lucid have a bigger battery to get the extra miles.

[@jorgesmith2000]

Does Mexico have incentives that might explain the cost reductions?

[@sahar_services]

For me it is very very very important the weight of the car. If the car does 500 mile on one charge but weights like 3 tones I'm not interested.

[@MotoGuzziMoto]

It is not so much the OEM manufacturers scrambling to make an EV offering that stands out, it is about making an offering that the majority of people want to buy. Tesla has already fulfilled the EV demand and will struggle to attract more mainstream customers. Plug-in hybrids on the other hand, once fully developed for purpose, will be the most practical option and protect customers from poor charging infrastructure and erratic fuel prices in future.

[@nguyep4]

You assume majority plugin hybrid owner would plug in. They are likely to pump gas as old habit is just that old habit.

[@xjdisuehd]

Me - Hey Tesla, have a goddamned consistent policy on FSD transfer. Tesla - The best we can offer is inflated bundles which you won't end up using.

[@taylorhardaway8031]

Those old VW buses are iconic for a bunch of hippies traveling cross country. You need more range than that.

[@latitudeash]

The sound dampening would be a loss for me.

[@jimmyers4890]

I know someone at a Nissan dealership that had a lucid owner come in to trade it in he had had the lucid for less than a year and had two battery replacements so he said he was done with lucid. Yes I know that's just one out of thousands.

[@ALXXR63AMG]

The Changes to the Mexican Tesla Model 3 are quite bizarre…but they should do that to the Cybertruck and reduce the most not reduced Prize on the whole World Market the Cybertruck Price…make it a Prize Cybertruck for only 39.990 $ in Gran Turismo 7 and in the real World !

[@cv2010u]

Everyone changing tactics once Dodge came out with their 700range Ram charger truck.

[@roxpace]

Why not cover the other more interesting brands like Audi, Volvo, Zeekr, Polestar and more. A lotnis happening right now.

[@DaBinChe]

I'd rather have the Mexico model 3 for less money than the US model 3...don't want nor need any of those "features". I want a bare bones with AC and decent sound system that can connect to smart phones.

[@michaelgreen6268]

Hi Kim & Pj, Tesla figured out to wave the penalty option on selling your CyberTruck so Tesla can get rid of their CyberTruck Inventory so Tesla can change to Building another vehicle?

[@shevehboswell3635]

Get rid of charger team--- hint at robo taxi ---- head of charger team works at uber now.... coincidence, i think not

[@Fj707ap]

folks just like new gas vehicles, wait for the first versions to come out so that company can fix any of the problems not caught during testing before the release smh, think smarter

[@wolfgangpreier9160]

When Lucid has sold their 6 millionth Air Superior in South America or Malaysia and makes 100 billion revenue little Pietr can open his big mouth again.

[@stennordenmalm9900]

Yeah, I know. It still hurts that Peter went to Lucid (Embarrassing-Elon is can not get over it...)

[@wolfgangpreier9160]

@@stennordenmalm9900 When someone works in my company and titles himself chief designer of a product and does not work a single day but brags around all the time and i can not find a way to get rid of him i would also be embarrassed.

[@VegasGuy1975]

You are ALWAYS bound by what you agreed on in contract. If there was a one year no resell clause, it would not matter if Tesla eliminated that from purchase agreements the next day. What matters is what YOU signed.

[@pandatactical4530]

If they don’t enforce the clause it doesn’t matter.

[@frecklesx20]

Mexican income is lower and and no winter in Mexico. Maybe that’s why they stripped down a M3

[@DQ-su6qf]

The $20,000 foundation premium was based on demand…and unexpected… now the market is dictating $ ect…

[@nguyep4]

Mexico is not cold enough to have those heated items

[@michaeldautel7568]

For the Latino market they introduce " El Cheapo" modelo tres ? Carramba!

[@ralphpetry1745]

On the surface, the Lucid has fantastic engineering but at what cost as they have a negative operating margin that is staggering and they only exist because of the Bank of Mom and Dad - aka the Saudis. The more vehicles they make, the more money they lose and it doesn't appear likely to change anytime soon.

[@malcolmhightower9407]

I think many people are so interested in pointing out the faults of electric vehicles(fires, ect.), because electric vehicles has been pushed as being superior technology to combustion cars.

[@jefflethuman9794]

Model 3 LE

[@nicholasmuni7995]

It should be a lot cheaper than a $ 2700 discount?

[@jasonfournier]

Not sure Uber is a great fit for her. As Uber mostly uses the drivers own cars, and Uber stopped their self driving stuff.

[@nvptx]

As of now I still see Tesla rules on : FSD , SC. Lack the ranges need at least 500 miles. This would cut the # of charge stops in Half

[@m417k]

Yes let's all wait twice as long to charge our cars!

[@tedoptional-p8l]

1000 deg. F.; that's about 1/2 to 1/3 of the temp of gasoline or diesel. Its all FUD. Just because its all new and scary.

[@EZscRider]

property not my property 😎