Testing The Prophets: Questioning The Integrity of The ACPE

[@deannagallagher2895]

Guys, thanks for being brave enough to approach this topic.

[@TheRemnantRadio]

Well thanks for the support.

[@micheletisdale7467]

Yeah, this was a really good episode. I wasn't going to watch it. So glad I did.

[@JBly4]

Why would this be a "brave" thing to talk about? Common sense 101 to avoid these people...

[@micheletisdale7467]

@JBly4 Common sense is not common these days. I've yet to see one person who I would even consider to be a prophet of God. But unfortunately there are millions who do. Perhaps the way they go about it will bring the masses to their senses 🙏

[@JBly4]

​@@micheletisdale7467They have been doing this for years and the problem is worse than ever. They only review people the rest of the world already knows are...yeah. That's not brave.

[@jyrki2803]

Cindy prophecied in Finland that our local Nokia Missio church will expand to the Baltia and France and bring revival to Europe. Opposite happened and that church fell apart rapidly and no longer exist. It is so confusing that after that many still consider her as a true prophet.

[@geneanuts]

😢🙏

[@armandprentiss3668]

So appreciate all of you! I’ve been in the Pentecostal/charismatic movement for 50 years. I am sorry my generation is not calling false prophecies/prophets to account. But I’m glad you do. I know of no one currently I consider a prophet to the US. If you do let me know. I watched the NAR begin with interest. Saddened by what it has become. Keep up the good fight!

[@jonmarkbaker]

Good job guys. Thank you, and don't apologize for your passion, Josh. This is exactly how I feel.

[@TheRemnantRadio]

Thanks John 😅

[@michaeldunigan1067]

To say that that Bill Hamon is the "father" of the modern prophetic movement is really incongruous. I think it's why Yeshua said, call no man father on earth. For we have one father. Our father in heaven.

[@markmcginnis4737]

One word accountability. Everyone is accountable (no one) is exempt. When you miss it, you should be expected to own it and address that. If not, there is some character issues, mainly pride. Good work guys!

[@john4226]

Thanks. You guys are so right on regarding the ACPE covering up their own erroneous prophecies. They are a back scratching good old boys club. They are self-styled prophets and apostles, and their folllowers are the elders. I think that is why they have these 3 words in their title.

[@tripletgirl2484]

I wonder if the gift of prophecy is for the local body where it can be judged sensibly. I don’t give these online prophets any attention. Thanks guys, I appreciate your insight.

[@andrewhambling]

Greetings from Melbourne Australia 🇦🇺 Keep up your good work brothers. Unfortunately, money is the driving factor in these "ministries" that need to keep up their lifestyles and relevance in the charismatic community. The charismatic/pentecostal community truly needs the voice of this podcast for this generation so hopefully same errors aren't repeated over and over again. Keep shining the light and exposing the errors and unbiblical practices that don't bring glory to the cause of Christ and His Church. Blessings, Andrew.

[@shenquejames7598]

I think your assessment was correct the first time. ACPE was over extending their authority & bullying. They have just been caught so they are trying to cover.

[@davidward5225]

I have been around the prophetic movement for over 40 years, including an association with Christian International years ago. Here is my two cents. 1. The prophetic movement has become uber distorted from where it began. 2. The vast (and I mean vast) majority of prophecy falls under the auspices of 1 Cor 14:3, edification, exhortation, and comfort and it is to be judged by the congregation 1 Cor 14:29. 3. Who appointed these so-called apostolic elders? 4. Who made Cindy Jacobs a “general of intercession”? 5. As for Emma Stark, I’ve never heard such word salad before. Great discussion and you both made great points. Finally, probably the best book I’ve ever read on prophecy is “The Gift of Prophecy” by Wayne Grudem. It should be required reading for any charismatic Christian.

[@gabbyheusser6503]

Thank you for this video! I will say a few things that I did and have seen and experienced: tent meetings are truly leading many to Christ-I’ve been a part of them in the last 4 years and they have reached many when they have been led by the Spirit to hold tent meetings. Also, I’ve seen more people come to Christ and the greatest harvest in the last 4 years. Not necessarily in stadiums, but on beaches, in parks, etc. just wanted to share those facts! I appreciate all you guys do!!!

[@michellelandvik4009]

When she "prophesied" about the tents, i got so much discernment. My spirit was GROSSED OUT.

[@TheRemnantRadio]

I have no clue why they don’t call her out on that.

[@libbylouden9939]

This is so necessary! Thank you for taking the time to weigh and test against Scripture.

[@Ed1087]

I admire and respect how you guys approach these prophetic words and people . I really see you guys doing what the Bible claims we are to do: testing the spirits to see whether they are from God. Never an easy task to do, especially when there are some christians who dont see or understand the bigger picture which in turn brings complaints or accusations against you. Nevertheless , may you all be given the grace you need to empower to do what God has called you to do and may He anoint you always with a spirit of truth, boldness, and righteousness to fulfill Gods purposes and plans for your lives.🙏🙏🙏🙏❤❤❤

[@TheRemnantRadio]

Thanks ed!

[@redrider5832]

Supper glad you guys are doing this. I have so many friends who listen to these “prophets” and it’s nonsense. Please don’t stop!!!

[@rjcm2212]

Fair, neutral, Biblical, without all the drama I really appreciate your breakdowns.

[@Susan-zk7ne]

Numbers 8:24 - 26 says that the Levites should serve 25 years and then go home to their land. I wonder if this was followed by leadership today that some of this scandalous activity, especially in the regards to the prophetic might be averted. I am in my late 70s and try to listen to the younger leaders who are coming up. They are the 'new wine skin' and its time for them to begin to take their place as leaders. I can see this happening these days with many young men on social media especially. I think we are in good hands with these young men, including Remnant Radio.

[@jaycootes4665]

Thanks Remnant Radio

[@phyllisd.5640]

This was excellent. You covered the issues I have with the ACOPE. Thankyou.

[@MichaelJ843]

When prophecy exalts a President over Jesus, I have a problem with that. You cannot duplicate a Sovereign.

[@yllatusmuna]

You are absolutely right! I have not heard prophecies like that, thank God.

[@ChinaDavis-c3w]

I have not heard the song elevating David above God, Neither have I heard the vessel President Trump elevated in such away.

[@jayandmichellebarker4238]

Thank you for this podcast. We been part of charismatic churches longer than y’all have been alive! It's refreshing to hear charismatics speaking of God's sovereignty. I was also encouraged to hear ya'll say at the end in your closing thoughts that we should call out false prophets if they don't repent for getting it wrong. It's clear that celebrity Christianity is being judged and in my opinion, this is all part of the house of God being cleansed and judged (John 2 & 1 Peter 4), Christ being Son over over His own house, whose house we are if hold fast to the end (Hebrews 3). We have departed from the living God and made Him into our own image. All the false teaching of being "little gods" is bearing bad fruit. It's past time to return to a fear of the Lord, sound doctrine and theology found in Scripture. It’s frightening to think we would have the audacity to say something that God has not spoken, and still somehow parade ourselves as a true prophet. Those two are not synonymous from Scripture in my mind. You are right to point out false prophecies that the ACPE has made. I would encourage you all to listen to seasoned ministers like Dr. Mark Chironna, whose wisdom I trust in these troubling days. Lord, have mercy.

[@riverjao]

MPGA - Make Prophecy Great Again!

[@bethezebra]

52:00 Why should Dr. Brown be considered as someone to judge the truth of prophetic words, considering the roys report allegations that just came out about him? Sincere question. I have nothing against Brown and do not wish to attack him.... Yet, is he credible at this point? 😢

[@lindavelarde7057]

Maybe this was prerecorded before the Dr Brown allegations dropped on TRR?

[@bethezebra]

@lindavelarde7057 I think you're right. 👍🏿

[@shelleyhorn758]

Thank you for your Biblical wisdom! I believe there is a spirit of jealousy on the ACPEs part! Maybe why they made it so personal! God bless you guys for addressing a tough issue!

[@mshhoward]

The comment about Dr. Brown around the 51 minute mark hit hard. I agree. Thanks guys!

[@sunshinegorman3218]

Thanks for talking about this publicly. It’s always left me unsettled when no one questions when these prophetic words fail and when they’re questionable to begin with. I personally wouldn’t want to be a prophet, there’s a heavy burden there.

[@libbypacula9352]

So well done, guys. So well done! Thank you!

[@trishgoski4944]

This is very Inteteresting. Emma Stark was a frequently invited & honored ‘prophetic’ speaker at the major NAR center that I used to attend.

[@michaeldunigan1067]

We really need to establish true Apostolic order in the charismatic movement. Under the authority and example of true elders. Not control for the purpose of economic benefit.

[@nancys.7836]

It was prophesied in the Bible that Jezebel would be eaten by dogs that seems rather harsh and yet it happened

[@stephaniecannon410]

Thanks for sharing 😊

[@kacyblack3280]

51:41 I think Dr Michael Brown is a little busy right now 😮

[@Eagle-Ridge]

😅

[@janreason1518]

I have heard some people outside of religious circles discuss a site call the Wayback Machine where you can find anything that has been posted on the internet in the past. I have stayed outside most of this prophetic circle. Not that I don't listen to some, but not on a regular basis. I just have a real hesitation in getting too wound up in this. I appreciate your channel, and glad I came across it. I like Emma Stark, and yet I have some reservations about the prophesy, and I'm just prayerfully considering it.

[@paullogan5336]

There was no anti-porn laws passed because that would be unconstitutional. Holiness cannot come from the state, only rebellion can come from the state passing laws that themselves are made in rebellion. Holiness must come from the heart and begin in the home!

[@Eagle-Ridge]

I appreciate your analysis of the ACPE. And I agree, prophecy should be the domain of the local church. Will the “prophetic elders” shut down their ministries and return to the local church? I doubt it. Will the KZbin prophets shut down their channels and return to the local church? Nope. But here is a problem that contributes to the sustainability of these “ministries” - it is rare to find a healthy prophetic presence in a local church.

[@whimsy7434]

Some, but not all, do have churches they lead --- I know that Chuck Pierce, Patricia King, and Barbara Yoder all have churches they lead. However, I agree that we should get rid of traveling prophets. It leads to super stardom.

[@mdrouin4885]

Yep, truth!

[@intunewithallison]

Wow thats crazy about the i 35 prophecy! Oh my goodness. Thanks for this video all of it was good and a fair analysis.

[@dhvfdj1]

Emma Stark is on point

[@kennypryce4617]

I am just so tired of these so called prophets. So much so when I hear about any prophecies these days I literally role my eyes. This is not good at all

[@beatitudespeople]

They’re open theists. C. Peter Wagner writes about being an open theist. They believe that Christians co-create the future through their speech.

[@IglCorderoDeDios]

Yes! Both sides feel off it’s confusing, frustrating and disappointing

[@RuminativeEmbryologist]

That’s so good. I would like you guys to speak about some new spirits spoken by them as, “monitoring spirits, water spirits” etc., from where they are getting it? Though they are not found in the Bible. I hope Miller can say about these.

[@ChinaDavis-c3w]

I agree with you concerning the elders. Age has nothing to do, with if a wine skin is old or new. Years ago Cindy Jacob’s had wonderful words of exhortation. I have never agreed with their declaration of authority over the prophetic ministry. As they have suggested all prophecies should be brought before them prior to being released. Let the prophets speak by two or three and let the others judge, try the Spirit etc. How can the local bodies function if the prophets must first submit a word to Jacob’s tribe? What I have noted in 42 years of church life is, when a prophet ministers there is a brokenness, and a weeping and repentance. Perhaps had true prophetic anointings been functioning in the church all along, we wouldn’t be overwhelmed with the abhorrent level of sin in the church. Perhaps some of the words of change in society and stadiums full of the lost coming to Jesus, would be happening now. You know Joshua and Caleb were an older generation that led the next into the promised land.

[@BuckinMich63]

Emma Stark, Cindy Jacobs, Bill Hamon?? Self proclaimed apostolic elders?? What on earth are we doing in the body of Christ listening to these people??

[@lecolintube]

A great way I’ve learnt in interpreting prophesy is: ‘Revelation’, (what was; seen, heard, experienced). ‘Interpretation’, (if symbolic, what does it mean) ‘Application’, (what needs to be done with it?) I believe too it’s seen in Jeremiah 1:11 amongst others (maybe my take, with the ‘Application’ inferred). It shows why it’s so necessary for the Holy Spirit to speak at each step, and more often, more error creeps in the further from the ‘revelation’ you get. Revelation being:- what was said & experienced. (This is the level of ‘where did *the spiritual experience originate from*. Is it from the Holy Spirit, from the person own self (this could be imagined, but also could be from the ‘overflow of what they have stored up in their heart’), or from the enemy?). Interpretation (obviously only needed if it passes the ‘revelation step’): What does the revelation mean? (And this is only something God knows and explains.) Application: What needs to be done with the word? (Again this is something God shares, not what we think best) The reason this is important is that the Holy Spirit needs to be the one speaking at each step, and I wonder if in Both Emma’s (very symbolic word - *she states this*) and Cindy’s i35 words, (if from God) might have been mis-interpreted/misunderstood or misapplied (possibly because of presumption or just ‘running off’ on their own)?

[@lecolintube]

In Jeremiah 1:11 God shows Jeremiah an ‘almond branch’ and asks him what he sees? In the ensuing conversation, God then describes what this means: The ‘almond branch’ is in fact a play on words, (in Hebrew) and sounds exactly the same as, ‘watch over to make it happen’. So the revelation is a symbolic picture of an ‘almond branch’ (it’s not literal - it has nothing to do with trees, or almonds or nuts), the interpretation (or meaning of this picture) is ‘God doesn’t give up on a what he’s sharing or asking Jeremiah to say, but ‘watches over’ (labours on it) to ensure/make sure it happens. (And my understanding of the Application is, Jeremiah can be at rest and walk in peace knowing that God will do what he says (even if it’s not instantly, takes time, or there is a gap in when something is shared/spoken and if happening). It will coming to pass. Something that is foundational & really important for Jeremiah to understand for the rest of his life! (And no wonder it’s the first ‘word’ he gets after being commissioned. (He doesn’t need to be anxious if something doesn’t happen right away, God’s got it & it’ll happen). Also, I would add, there is no way to get from ‘picture of an almond branch’ to ‘be at peace & rest/don’t be anxious if things don’t happen straight away’, without staying in the conversation with the Holy Spirit). *The reason this is so important is, in weighing a word, each step needs to be weighed and tested.

[@john4226]

@lecolintube This is basic prophetic teaching that those who have the fear of the Lord know and follow. John Paul Jackson and others taught these principles as well as the importance of character over gifts. Thanks.

[@darlenevanhooser6822]

Thanks for this enlightening content. ❤🙏

[@karentoler8860]

Amen God is sovereign..

[@shanachinyanta]

Hey y’all! I’m not in this community directly, but have spoken to people in this community. There ARE a lot of things going on that are not being spoken.

[@IglCorderoDeDios]

Thank you!!

[@mls-jp9nb]

These “prophecies” only matter to certain charismatic circles. I’ve gone to spirit filled churches for decades that never mentioned them or their prophecies. Yet the prophetic had place in the local church. Wouldn’t it stand to reason that if our Lord had something vital to say to HIS people, it would not be contingent on subscribing to the right podcast or attending a distant conference?

[@richardmorris363]

Reminds me of when “wrestling” had a different world champion in every market. So many “prophets” with so many different prophecies and doctrinal positions. Can’t God get the same unified message thru all off of them? If we ever say “God told me …” that’s one thing. If we ever say “God is telling me to tell you…” that is especially serious. It’s a weighty thing.

[@marybethbyers913]

Oh my gosh... I was in that tent for Cindy's 2021 word and I remember being extremely uncomfortable. At that same revival meeting her team tried to pray for me and literally tried to push me so I would "fall out in the spirit." I wouldn't budge and the dude praying was frustrated. He just left me there and didn't finish praying for me. One year after that, I was forced to play music for one more tent revival because of a church I worked for. It was based off this word and it was equally uncomfortable.

[@paulc7190]

@@helpmeJesus-k1h prove it

[@aborowka]

@@helpmeJesus-k1h 100% agree. These clowns that call themselves 'prophets' are not any better that fortunetellers.

[@richardmorris363]

@@aborowka Profits…

[@likeaprayercast]

51:41 Where is Dr. Michael Brown? Well, about a month ago, I felt uneasy about this man. Lord, why is he the overseer for these huge churches like IHOP KC and Radiant Church that are having these massive scandals? Oh, he is compromised from a relationship he had with a student from 20 years ago? We need to put good elders in, above reproach, husband to one wife. He didn't pass the fidelity test so he should have never been placed as an overseer at these churches.

[@bruceedwards3844]

I remember Paul Cain prophesying that if the church would pray Bill Clinton would have a Damascus Road salvation experience. When it did not happen he conveniently said the church did not pray for Clinton rather it criticized and judged him.

[@putontheseglasses8809]

I'm a Seer and I called out Chris Reed in your comment section on your video about Chris Reed two years ago. God warned me about these prophets about 20 years ago and the issue is bigger than you can relise. Catholics roots plays a huge role behind the charismatic movement. You can't separate your self from these prophets and stay in the charismatic Church. You need to divorce both.

[@paulc7190]

huh?

[@putontheseglasses8809]

@paulc7190 what part you don't understand?

[@TrinitarianPentecostalNectar]

Bring everything back to the local bodies. This “global” prophetic leadership is unscriptural.

[@riverjao]

That's the part I am scratching my head over: especially after the "Trump prophecies" fiasco, why do they now consider themselves the arbiters of what is true prophecy and what is not? Where has their public repentance been concerning that?

[@ChinaDavis-c3w]

To be fair, Cindy’s group did not stand on President Trumps side. She and all her team, beat the body, and said they didn’t pray hard enough. That’s about the time they initiated the idea that all prophecies should be run through their organization prior to being released. Now since the election is over , I have no idea what they are saying.

[@michellesinclair8620]

Also I know someone who has videos of the 2007 revival meetings if you want to contact her. She was a volunteer for Cindy Jacobs at the time.

[@Knowsis7]

17:14 How is an omnipotent omniscient being capable of "changing his mind"? I'm not asking if the Bible says he does, I'm asking how this is remotely conducive to the claimed attributes of God. He knows everything that will happen in the future and was the one who put everything into motion. It's not possible to change your mind on something you already knew would happen. That's patently contradictory.

[@deannagallagher2895]

Excellent points regarding some prophesies in the Bible being harsh and that prophesies need to evince that what you prophesy comes true. I have been given loads of visions from the Holy Spirit regarding America and Trump and military and so far, they have come true (some still yet to come true). The track record of the Holy Spirit being spot on is amazing. As for Cindy and Emma, I no longer listen to their words per intel from the Holy Spirit. I am in a place where I pretty much get my own revelation. I have been a seer since a small child and am thriving now that I seek my own word from the Spirit, especially on what is going on in America. I journal everything.

[@geneanuts]

So thankful for you fellas, who are speaking truth to a out of control situation. How's that I-35 revival working for you. If anything, the situation is MUCH worse. Sad. I'm so sick of it. I understand why the world mocks. 🙏

[@nancystorm]

I know you guys admire Ken Fish. He spoke out against Emma's word recently in Atlanta. The only time I've been in need of a slanket was when Emma prayed for me. She is a powerful woman of God. But she leans toward socialism, I think, and I have heard her speak ill of American conservatism and Trump before. Her left-leaning politics corrupted her ability to hear.

[@conniereagan]

I can only say to that-the American prophets have their own blinders on. And I say that as someone who voted for Trump. Whether Emma was accurate in this word or not is not the issue-the issue is how this other group handled it. And in my opinion it was handled quite poorly.

[@JonahWilson1]

Prophets push us to think outside our blinders. If you listen to some of Emma’s videos you see she leans into conservative Christian values as well. But she just doesn’t align herself with a political party. The problem is when we toe a party line only and never see a fault in it.

[@marybethbyers913]

Hey Josh and Michael² have you guys done a video already talking about this verse: "Having gifts that differ according to the grace given to us, let us use them: if prophecy, in proportion to our faith..." Romans 12:6 Would love to hear proper insight on this.

[@cherryblossom7126]

Proverbs 26:2. Like a fluttering sparrow or a darting swallow, an undeserved curse will not land on its intended victim.

[@rmawblei5478]

Serve God to save one's self and to help other's too. 4:06

[@IamTMSchwabe1111]

Remnant radio you guys are connected with Ken Fish what is his viewpoint point? I have not heard anything about this through him. It was Ken fish’s First conference called Fusion in Tennessee that I heard Emma for the first time. He brought her in. And a word she gave during that time did stir up a lot of tension. She was even asked to clarify it later.

[@michellesinclair8620]

I use to go to Cindy’s church and they hosted the annual meeting for the ACPE. They also hosted a prophetic conference in November at the end of their week long meeting. I know some people on that list of members. I think Cindy or Dutch Sheets pretty much handpicked people they liked for the council and the rest of the council would agree. I don’t believe anything she says now after the fiasco of 2020. I was there when she released that 2007 word about I-35 too. It never happened.

[@IamTMSchwabe1111]

There is no galactic prophets who have an unlimited sphere of authority, while they sit as a citizen in their own nation on their throne. Even in the natural police officers don’t crossover into another state and do whatever they want to do just because they have the authority in their own state.

[@AllThingsArePossible]

In my opinion, my experience AND most importantly the Word of God, the idea of needing to interrogate the demonized to find out “where curses come from” or the roots of a demon etc., are greatly exaggerated and possibly what the Bible refers to as “doctrines of demons”. So many charismatic(ish) leaders have become so uber-independent, with theology and methodology that is desperate for branding as if it were a clothing brand. Too much mixing, too much world.

[@lauras3554]

I came over to listen as you were recommended. I am British, not a fan of Emma, nor Cindy etc, though I know Emma's ministry more. I didn't agree with her Trump word. You come over as Emma Fan boys with the smallest of criticism. I do have one prophet whose international ministry...tho low key, has encouraged my family, giving directions how to pray in a time of evil. He is accurate. My daughter who lives in London, threatened by Putin, has taken great encouragement from his ministry. Not going to name him as I have a feeling you would delight to tear him up too

[@lindaetherton5828]

I asked the Lord where He wanted me to go in 2021. He sent me to a small fellowship in a neighboring town. I was instructed to give them a word shortly after joining. I knew nothing about the matter and was simply giving the word I felt the Lord had given me. It had to do with cleaning up a situation that happened several years before. The following Sunday the pastor said he knew God had sent me to “rock the boat “. My response was that He was going to capsize it! The word was given privately to the pastor and has been ignored. Over the last three years I have seen others give similar, confirming words to the church and those are brushed aside as well. The church has a reputation of being a revolving door. So sad. It was definitely a call to repentance and they have not. I’m currently not attending because they began backbiting and attacking me for not backing down to their religiosity.

[@bcmchozeh]

You guys are all wrong, Cindy, Emma, and Radio Host. Seperate a gift of encouragement from the Office of a Prophet. None of these people demonstrate the "wise master builder" of a Prophet, building Christ virtue inside people. They all are using gifts of encouragement and OVERSOLD it. Encouragement can NEVER imcrease virtue inside people, a Prophet can do that, but we have none visible. Iv met 2 in 30 years. Cindy and Emma are ruining peoples appetite for encouragement and trampling on the wise master builder office of Apostle and Prophet. This is why And Griffith only gave Barney 1 bullet. True Prophecy is a Person, His virtue, not words. Divine nature not parabolic encouragement. Gomer Pyle never became a NCO because he lacked something internally.

[@Eagle-Ridge]

I personally think we would be better off with a few more Barney Fifes and Gomer Pyles in the church.

[@patbarnett9061]

They actually stated in one of their responses that Emma was once a part of this network, at least in someway. It almost sounded like their way of distancing themselves from her and calling for correction in public and trying in private. I by no means agree with their stance, but it really sounded more like they disagree with her way/wording of declaring prophet words

[@trishgoski4944]

Is the ACPE the same as ICAL?

[@Yoke01]

I feel that this broadcast sounds like an attack against ACPE, and more of taking a side for Emma and against ACPE. Could be wrong, but that's how it sounds like.

[@RJ-vq1iv]

I just heard Benny Hinns brother give a prophecy for 2025 & I ask like how do we make it down hold them accountable? Like how does this stop?? It needs to stop, what does this do to THE NAME OF CHRIST?? His followers??

[@karenmaria0808]

International Coalition of Apostles (connecting apostles) / Apostolic Council of Prophetic Elders (connecting prominent prophets). Both organisations were set up by CP Wagner. Why do I know this?

[@bboop200]

….and why do we trust these organizations at all?

[@juliejames5583]

What about what God has blessed, no man can curse?

[@kristaerickson777]

51:05 Tell ‘em, Josh!

[@PC-vg8vn]

America is not the centre of the world you know.

[@paulral]

Of course it isn't. Everyone knows that Coruscant is the hub of the Galaxy.

[@markridlen4380]

I think you might also consider the political pressure angle. How much of their pushback is from people who are politically motivated? The pro-Trump false prophecy gets a pass.

[@evanwilton9569]

One question is on timing. The people of isaiahs day and 700 years after never saw the messiah prophecied about. So how do we judge timing? Not agreeing with anything it just has been on my mind

[@isaaccastro7522]

I was thinking about this myself. Having not heard the entirety of Cindy's prophecy, I wonder if she gave timelines, and if so, what were they? If not, is it possible she was correct and the time hasn't yet arrived? I'd need to dig deeper.

[@tiffanyemiliano5375]

I feel the same way. Sticking to the Word we have many examples of Gods prophets delivering His Word wayyyy before it ever manifested in the natural. We also have some prophets who delivered a Word from God that was manifested in their lifetime. In my personal struggle with this I seem to be led back to discernment, inquiring of the Lord for confirmation, lining with the Biblical Word unless a prophet attaches a date or time frame to their prophetic utterance and it clearly does not come to pass 😋

[@theouterplanet]

You would think someone would have seen Dr Double Down Michael Brown’s current issues.

[@alandesmond7860]

Confirming Emma's prophet words.

[@tpw7250]

I wouldnt knownwho these people are and what they are saying if it wasn't for Remnant radio. I dont think these 'national prophets' have the reach they think they do.

[@mls-jp9nb]

True. They only matter in certain charismatic circles. I went to spirit filled churches for decades that never mentioned them or their prophecies. Wouldn’t it stand to reason that if our Lord had something vital to say to HIS people, it would not be contingent on subscribing to the right podcast or attending a distant conference?

[@tpw7250]

@mls-jp9nb It's probably why the examples of New Testament prophecy fit into a local context not national

[@WhimsyF-sr1ns]

Agreed. Some aren't aware of how small their bubble is. They need some cross-pollination.

[@nancys.7836]

Some things I disagree with you about concerning prophecy is that you want the word fulfilled immediately. When in the Bible the Virgin who will give birth was at least 1,000 years old, Daniel was praying over a word that was 70 years old, and the current late prophet Kim Clement, his word 10 years later, is just now coming true.

[@lavadamorrison4569]

It is getting to the point where I don't listen to any of these so-called prophets. I did not bare witness with Emma, and I don't bare witness with the NAR prophets either. Johnathan Cahn is the only one I give any heed to these days, and he is not usually making predictive prophesies in the same manner as these prophets today. Over and over these words have fallen to the ground and produced nothing but confusion. Confusion is not of God.

[@lindaetherton5828]

Are they the group who demanded apologies from the missed 2020 election words?

[@angiecottrell1140]

Jesus spat on someone's eyes and he gradually saw.

[@Reverence-Awe-Wonder]

My Perspective: Emma didn't bow down!! Alot of these have some odd & twisted control issue--They will all answer to God, this should be measure for all of us!! May God have mercy--

[@redrider5832]

Oh the Dr Brown reference made before the release of the sexual allegations being exposed.

[@s.edwards6485]

I never heard Emma’s Alaska word and don’t intend to, but as I was listening to you guys I wondered if the ACPE peeps are upset because it was about America. They are mostly nationalist and more importantly, so are many of their donors. Btw, I’m not taking up for Emma. I listened to some of her messages years ago and could barely understand a word. Not her accent but her content. She’s the female Chuck Pierce.

[@alandesmond7860]

Acountablity is nessasary in all areas of gifting testing biblically using both decernment and using God written word is critical to root out hypocrisy bias, favouritism over in and, out side confusion deception misleading the body of Christ bringing at times another gosple or messaging not spoken by Christ, the Holy Spirit or scripturally.

[@nathanclark2600]

Y’all are over thinking the curse idea. They aren’t saying she’s cursing him but that her putting that idea in the air could inspire someone to “fulfill” the word of their own volition.

[@WhimsyF-sr1ns]

I heard several in the ACPE say they met, prayed together, and then worked together in prayer and broke the curse. I heard that on at least two different video, social media sources of ACPE members. One individual from the ACPE says that if the prophecies concerning DJT do come to pass, that the council would then be shown to be ineffective in breaking the curse-- this woman claimed that Emma Stark would not be shown to be accurate but rather one who sends out curses that found a landing strip. I was astonished by this.

[@powered2prevail]

​@@WhimsyF-sr1ns, can you share the name of the person who said if Emma's prophecy comes to pass, it would mean she caused the curse? I'd like to watch that video. Thank you!

[@powered2prevail]

@@WhimsyF-sr1ns, Thank you!

[@Knowsis7]

The NAR movement is openly christian nationalist so their being triggered by this "prophetic word" makes sense.

[@randycaraway3403]

What about I 40, Isaiah 40:3

[@Justasheepwithashepard]

I mean, I’m not the biggest fan of the prophetic counsel. I haven’t seen it be biblical yet, but of course I haven’t looked at it enough to fully form my opinion but prn hub as of July 1 2024, has been blocked in many states and a couple of thoes states are along that line. Asbury did break out with a couple other college campuses’. Pastors have been getting removed from positions because of sexual sin. And abortion law changed in some states and it’s a law that prn hub is banned in some states. So I mean it didn’t happen within the year, if this was a year word, but to give credit where credit is do, not being a supporter of them myself, God possibly could have spoke that and that prayer movement could have definitely done something 🤷🏼‍♀️ Now I could be judging the word wrong, cuz these could have been naturally occurring events, but having certian sites be illegal to go on is certainly something

[@FredKanagy]

If a prophesy does not come to pass the Bible identifies that prophet as a false prophet!

[@RJ-vq1iv]

This is so messed up, why don’t they check themselves, let’s make up this group and say we are the leaders / & hold them to standards we don’t even how our own 😞 “ sounds like something JESUS spoke of 🤔

[@adamcox7707]

Watching that I35 prophecy made me sick. How does anybody watch this garbage and come to the conclusion “this is definitely an anointed prophecy “

[@michellesinclair8620]

I was there that day. I can tell you my church at the time embraced it.

[@adamcox7707]

@ thanks for your reply. I’m not trying to sound cynical, I genuinely want to understand but when I see that video, everything inside me screams phoney! And I do believe in prophecy, I actually feel called to that ministry. I’m hoping you can clarify what you were feeling, and if you’re not feeling it anymore what changed

[@alandesmond7860]

Jerimiah 17.5 cursed is he who trusts in man more than a warming, as to being a result of trusting in horses and chariots might and power.