Testing the strength of your rod

[@Flosurfer16]

Very informative I love lighter TCs to feel the fish so deffo getting a second set now

[@Carlfishing]

It’s always good to have different rods

[@home-at-last]

it's the distance the from reel seat to the bend of the rod that influences the pulling capabilities, through action has lots of pulling power and tip action has very little.

[@Carlfishing]

Eric I’ve been making Rods and designing rods for over 30 years and there are many different reasons for many kinds of rods. Coarse, Carp, game and the likes. It’s all to do with the build or design of the rod. The differences are just to big to talk about in ten minutes or in this paragraph

[@home-at-last]

@@Carlfishingit's not just fishing rods that are governed by the laws of leverage, google fulcrum point and you will see what I eluded to in my comment

[@yourstarwillshine]

There's a number of factors but the one no one mentions is budget I have Berkley B3 12ft 3lbs t/c reason is their above mid range so I can use them in France when you have the chance of 50/60lbs carp but I can use them in UK . I got them so I don't have to spend 100's on having various sets of rods. Have to admit on runs water for carp less than 15lbs the play can be a little lifeless so for that venue I use some old carp/match rods I have. I was considering some 9ft rods due to a few venues swims I fish have over hanging tree's and casting is awkward. I dont need massive TC as I;m not a huge distance fisherman and don't use over 3oz leads as its not necessary for me in the main and on the rare occasion i go real distance on one or two venues I borrow my mates bait boat. Interesting video again pal

[@Carlfishing]

Use what your happy with

[@nickfell7950]

I've got a lovely set of sportex Tony Fordham rods 2/14 never had any trouble with carp to over 30 although I love my close in fishing so I realise probably not that great for banging out leads but can certainly handle the fish

[@davybaert8341]

there is a difference in and 12 f 2.75 Lb and and 10 f 2.75 Lb, plays the length and role in the test curve

[@carpmon7016]

what would happen if you run away resembling a big carp run? (idealy setting the clutch for the line).

[@Carlfishing]

Not much

[@p.p.8113]

Interesting I'd like to see same done with all same t.c rods but diff actions... Will the results be the same....????

[@Carlfishing]

Or the actions determine the outcome, Variants are far too great to do one video

[@louislunterbusch5571]

Hi Carl, maybe you should explain first what tc is en how it is measured. As far as I know it was used for rods which bend gradually from tip to butcap often referred to as called compound tapered rods. Once the tip and but are at an angle of 90 degrees the scales will give you the tescurve reading for that specific rod. This test doesn’t apply to fast taper rods because they are very soft in the tip and the angle of 90 degrees will be reached with very little force and will stay at 90 degrees even with much more force applied. How manufacturers determine a test curve for this kind of rods is not known to me. Maybe by casting different lead sizes as far as possible and if that is a 3,5 oz lead the rod will be classified as a 3,5 lb tc rod. There is a bivvy tv episode on KZbin with Lee Jackson about rod action and tc. Worth watching but they only scratch the surface too and it looks that the outcome wasn’t exactly what they expected. I personally don’t like high tc fast taper rods because they are designed mainly for casting and not playing fish and take away a lot of angling pleasure in my opinion. Those high testcurve fast taper rods put far more strain on the anglers arm than on the fish as your test is showing too. It feels like you are putting a lot of pressure on to the carp but in reality you don’t, it only feels that way. I hope you will go deeper into this tc and action subject because I think it will help a lot of carp anglers to make the right choice buying new rods.

[@Carlfishing]

That's a long video which I'm not making

[@34136TS]

Serious question - if you can only apply say 7lb of force with a rod, why would you ever fish with it using a line of greater than 8lb BS, other than to add an extra safety margin for the likes of abrasion resistance etc?

[@Carlfishing]

Casting buddy and knot strength lowers the line strength

[@34136TS]

@@Carlfishing So... if I use a power gum arrangement to take the shock of casting and I tie knots that lie inside the safety margin for the strength then I'm good to go with 8lb? So then the stupid sized guides used on so many blanks are simply a waste of time... (Fuji state their size 6 guide is good for 14lb mono) It doesn't take much thinking about the carp scene to realise that the vast majority is complete b*ll*x lol

[@mikebaines7079]

Very interesting Carl. But when using a Method feeder or big pva bag a higher Tc rod would be better on the cast only.

[@Carlfishing]

Yes a highly TC and a fast taper chap

[@jimclarke5049]

Test curve is the amoubt it takes to bend the tip to 90°to the butt . Your not gonna chuck a 3 to 5oz lead with a 1.5lb tc rod its horses for courses for my everyday rods i use 12 ft 2 3/4 for range n big bag work i use 12 ft 3.5tc original infinties

[@craigblewitt8835]

Aint test curve to help with casting ?

[@iowapanner2223]

That's part of it, but the action determines cast ability too.Best description of what's going on: kzbin.info/www/bejne/eJPNlJuZdpemoLs . I had an Avid curvex, (about a medium action by US standards) and they cast fine for my situation but are the best for playing the fish. It has been discontinued and my guess is that the obsession of many if not most carpers with long casting shot it down. I spend far more time playing fish than I do casting so I am getting a medium action U.S. made Edge rod for my next carp rod. They have a vast assortment of weights, actions, and lengths in their steelhead line-up. Remember to look at what type of fishing YOU plan to do and buy accordingly.

[@Carlfishing]

Both

[@MrAlphafang]

Hmm interesting Carl. Loads of influencing factors of course but some food for thought. Got to have a play but I may just fasten the scale to tree..... ;)

[@Carlfishing]

That’s the only way you’ll find out without guessing

[@drcarp7377]

That probably surprises many, but if you think about, the constant throughout is the strength of the person pulling back on the rod. The rod in itself is just acting like a shock absorber. Each rod will require slightly different amounts of force to reach full compression, and that is a function of elasticity and rigidity of the blank. Once full compression is reached, it's purely then down to brute force as to how much more pressure you are capable of applying, or up until the line breaks. At least that's my theory, and perhaps you can test that by switching to a really strong person and repeat the tests. Not that I'm saying your mrs ain't strong. Don't want to upset her.....lol! The other point people forget is you should never really intentionally play a fish where the rod has reached its full compression, because then you are down to the last line of defence, which is your line. Only if you have to skull them out from snags should you be doing that......lol! And some people will now be saying. Crikey, that means i should never put more than three pounds of force on the line, etc. But my answer to that is look at the experiment Jeremy Wade did, when he tried to swim against a tight line from a rod. The guy on the bank easily restrained him with very little effort, showing that three pound of continuous force pulling back on you, can quickly subdue a full grown man, let alone a carp.

[@Carlfishing]

You’ve no need to push the blank once it’s fully at 90 degrees chap. Regardless of where it’s a woman or man. After that your just pulling to snap and not fishing. The reason for stating a TC is to illustrate its compressed power of the rod. But I’ve noticed after building rods for over 30 years that some brands don’t give the true reading on the blank. Always check if the blank suits your needs first 👍

[@drcarp7377]

Carl Gee Northwestern fishing. That's an interesting term you use there, compressed power, because once a rod is fully compressed it possesses the maximum amount of potential energy that it is able too. Now a tippy rod with a stiff butt section, may well contain as much potential energy than a rod with a more progressive curve, but the useful energy is only really stored in the tip section, because the butt is so stiff, that the energy is released almost immediately without it being able to be put to any practical use. I am no rod builder, just an engineer. So I think in terms of energy, elasticity, rigidity, etc. Inherent properties of the blank and scientific laws. If you think of the old bow and arrow. The bow was perfected over centuries to store as much potential energy as possible, before the arrow is released. And that bow had to bend by the right amount to transfer that stored energy into propelling the arrow.

[@rebeccacooksey112]

Could you bo a review on the new ngt dynamic tackle box please

[@Carlfishing]

No I’ve no need to buy one

[@davechandler702]

lee jackson done the same tests some years ago for pretty much the same results

[@Carlfishing]

I know but still people call physics nuts lol

[@nobody2934]

I've got the feeling this chap has spoken to Mr Kevin baines at the anglers workshop, this has been his test for years and years, his own custom made that are only available from himself that are 2.2lb test curve, known as his snipers will pull 16lb!!!! And they are featherweight rods that will cast 140 yards with 12lb line and no shock leader, absolute legend of a rod builder

[@Carlfishing]

Nope I used to design rods (Northwestern). I’ve never meet Kevin.

[@englishfam9675]

The test curve is more to do with casting and the back bone in the rod not just the tip.... still very interesting tho

[@dubmilitia5592]

I thought it was to do with casting

[@Carlfishing]

The test curve is the loaded strength of the blank to reach 90 degrees. The back bone can be used in two ways. Ie either a full through action if required when building the rod or the Opposite to allow a stiffer blank for casting. For example a boat rod needs a through action to increase the power required to stop fish diving into a wreck. I said in the video that there isn’t one perfect rod as there are many ways of building or making a rod to suit its needs.

[@dubmilitia5592]

@@Carlfishing I'm taking it all in mate you make rods I don't so I'll take your advice

[@addictedtoangling]

Good video and something different and interesting cheers

[@dubmilitia5592]

I'm sure ya can't cast a 4oz lead 120yards with that rod???

[@Carlfishing]

But simply wouldn’t because it’s not that kind of a rod

[@dubmilitia5592]

@@Carlfishing Yeah I know mate that's why we have higher tc 😁

[@dubmilitia5592]

@@Carlfishing love the vids tho mate keep them coming 🥰

[@carpyvaper]

Interesting vid 👍👍

[@Carlfishing]

Cheers Carp Jacker

[@grahamrowland6681]

Interesting video

[@Carlfishing]

Just a basic video isn’t it.

[@jimclarke5049]

Another point no disrepect to the young lady in the vid but she isnt goin to apply as much pressure as 12 stone plus hairy arse carp angler . Also this trend for short rods with high t.c a 9ft 3 or 3.5lb tc rod will not pick line up like a 12 or 13ft rod will at range great for canals or stalking great vidz tho be interesting to see the next installment

[@Carlfishing]

Regards a big bloke, once the rod is compressed to its maximum it’s finished as a rod. Rods are designed to play fish and nit to pull objects. Once it’s at its 90 degree it’s done. You need to try this yourself and then and only then will you see what happens with blanks. I developed some of the best rods available and nit by chance but by testing and measuring results. Wait and see what happens at 100 yards. It’s nothing to do with brute strength but science.

[@jimclarke5049]

@@Carlfishing surely playing that fish is pulling it in a way it wants go one way n u want it come the other

[@jimclarke5049]

@@Carlfishing also ppl are diff heights n play fish differently be interested to hear more abt the rods u helped design n build always fancied doin my own . U dont do ring replacements do u knocked the centre out of a rod i use for stalking or floater fishing

[@Carlfishing]

I’ve no interest in building or creating new rods..

[@neilgilbert830]

60inch sorry