Testing to Compare Concrete to Secure Set

Test were run to show the strength of Secure Set compared to the strength of concrete
Secure Set is 10x's faster than traditional use of concrete for fence post installations.
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[@LefterisInSac]

I used this for my 80' long fence, 3 years ago. My fence was 8' tall, because of the need for complete privacy. It still looks great. I didn't have to deal with labor of creating the concrete, saved me a lot of back pain, and a lot quicker. I had to remove one of the post because I didn't realize that the post was twisted. It was so easy to remove it, by digging around the hole, because it was so light. I will definitely use it for other projects.

[@SecureSet-Fence-Installation]

+lkoumis That's awesome!

[@jonhohensee3258]

lkoumis - It was "so easy to remove" the post and yet you like this product?

[@paulrock4816]

$$$$$$??????????????? diff. vs. concrete????

[@DanielRichards644]

Jon, easy to remove AFTER THEY DUG AROUND IT, meaning once they removed enough dirt to pull the post they wheren't dealing with the DEAD WEIGHT of the bag or more of concrete.

[@AussieChad]

I would be more interested in the longevity of the Secure Set compared to concrete, how does it perform 10-20 years down the track?

[@SecureSet-Fence-Installation]

+Outbackbloke Secure Set is a 40+ year product while in the ground. Visit our website at Secure Set www.secureset.net. Click on the “Calculate My Project” button and it will walk you through the steps which will tell you how much product you need to order for your project. This site will also tell you shipping costs and shipping times as well as answer many other questions. You can purchase Secure Set online at Home Depot www.HomeDepot.com And on Amazon www.amazon.com

[@AussieChad]

50reeves Great, thanks for the info!

[@michalrimmerak1646]

My fence were there for 50 years with concrete ;) And destroying was very painfull. This is strange age, make things quick without vision to the future. Concrete is natural material. Can be crushed and stored on garbage like stones. What next generation will do with this "foam balls" with steel pipe in it?

[@kickyourmum]

Concrete (Portland Cement) is hardly natural. It's one of the largest causes of C02 production in the world. Definitely recyclable though. This product has value where speed of installation is an issue. I can't see it replacing a structural footing though, so it's basically a timesaver for power pole installations and fencing. Time = money. I don't get the reason for the pull out test though. That's testing the shear strength of the soil around the post, which is variable. Not a useful test at all. Apart from that, it looks strong enough for a fence so why bother with the hard hat and bad trance music?

[@michalrimmerak1646]

I know, that 1 ton of portland cement produces around 1 ton of CO2 when is made. Some of this volume is used again from atmosphere, when harden. I know, time is everything now, in this quick age. Dont now, how for you, but I will be much happier with concrete garbage behind my house, than PUR foam garbage.

[@scottwitkowski1298]

Let's use the cheapest concrete we can to compare, just playing. It's not always superior however it is very convenient in many applications. Let's say you discover a pole that needs reset. I don't carry concrete, water and mixing tools in my truck. Secure set is good for when you are off the beaten path away from water and difficult to get to. I do carry secure set. I can quickly reset a pole and be done pretty quick. When considering man hours and returning with the proper tools, its a good deal. We don't use it for many new installs but it is great for many purposes, a lot less hauling and labor.

[@chargermopar]

I had to pull out some fence posts from the coral rock in south Florida. They were 2 inch galvanized pipe, most in concrete and some in urethane foam, that was a recent repair. The concrete posts gave a horrible fight and it took a jackhammer and Bobcat to remove them. The foam set posts pulled out with the Bobcat alone. One thing I noticed was on a few wood posts we pulled the foam set posts had no rot while the concrete posts tended to break off.

[@louis-ferdinandfeline5078]

Interesting - were the wood posts you saw fully encased in foam, or was the bottom tip of the wooden post resting on dirt? Just wondering if it would make a difference.

[@deyc3]

Once the soil loses the temporary compaction caused by the outward pressure from expansion of the foam, the foam will have no advantage.

[@deyc3]

@@TaylorHaubrichIt's not that. It's just that concrete doesn't need compaction. Concrete has mass.

[@SecureSet-Fence-Installation]

The tall light poles around baseball fields shown in some of our videos are pictures of poles we set. Think of the 100 foot light poles at baseball fields and the side force applied to them when a strong wind is blowing. The banks of lights at top of the pole acts like a hugh sail so you can imagine the side force applied to that pole. Secure Set had to qualify and meet the side load requirement to hold those poles in order for us to set those poles.

[@SecureSet-Fence-Installation]

The weight of concrete has very little if anything to do with a fence pole being stable in the ground. The increase in the footing at the base of the post determines the stability of the post. As long as the material being used to set the post has a higher compression strength than the surrounding dirt the dirt will give way first. Do the physics and the numbers don't lie. This is why the utility companies use Secure Set to set poles that weigh in excess of 10,000 pounds.

[@Genetics1]

I set 5 posts at a cost of $8 a hole with secure set. I paid 39.99 free shipping with amazon. I have a bad back and it took me longer to dig the 5 holes than it was to put up the fence. You can start putting up the fence in about an hour after the foam hardens . Bottom line is I like it . Saves a WHOLE lot of time over concrete. P.S. Amazon raised the price for the 1 gallon kit i purchased to 43.29

[@SecureSet-Fence-Installation]

Back when you bought Secure Set, Amazon was setting the price and it often fluctuated, but things are a bit different now regarding the pricing on their site. Check out our price for a direct purchase on our web-site www.secureset.net We personally don't offer the 1 gallon kit on Amazon right now because of the shipping cost, but we sell most of the other size kits on their site. Also, please check out Home Depot pricing at www.homedepot.com. You can ship to the store without paying extra in shipping charges or for the larger size purchases shipping to your address is included. Thank you for using Secure Set and your comments. GRA Services - The Makers of Secure Set.

[@SecureSet-Fence-Installation]

FSA thanks for the compliment on the video. The video is little longer than what we originally planned, but we wanted the public to witness the entire testing process. It's always fun doing strength testing on products. You can describe what a product is capable of doing in a 100 different ways, but there is nothing like a video or picture to demonstrate it. A new video is coming out soon and I think people are really going to like what they see especially fencing contractors. Thanks again.

[@obfuscated3090]

Someone with a bad back could benefit greatly from this stuff. Beats moving and mixing concrete any day.

[@bradehle7479]

All you people that are bad mouthing this product actually should try it before you talk shit about it. I've used this it works amazing! Used as fences & when I worked for directv mounting dishes on poles, held the pole way better than concrete & we didn't use cheap concrete either, we used the quick setting stuff. Heck think I've got 2 or 3 boxes in my garage that I kept because of how good the stuff worked. Try it before you knock it. You'll be amazed how well & long the stuff lasts

[@BamaShinesDistillery]

The quick setting stuff is weaker concrete.....much weaker....we wont use it.

[@SecureSet-Fence-Installation]

It is a close cell foam so water does not penetrate the foam. Unlike concrete that absorbs water when it gets wet and contributes to the rotting or corrosion of the post. Thank you for your inquiry.

[@SecureSet-Fence-Installation]

Sam we base all of our test and conditions on a 24 inch deep hole and 8 inches wide. We use a 6 inch auger which gives us about 71/2 inch wide hole, then we trim out the rest of the hole to 8 inches. This size is standard in the fencing industry. Watch our new video Secure Set SP it demonstrates how easy it is to use the product. SSet also helps prevent rotting of the poles because it is a close cell product. Sorry didn't get back soon been very busy, thanks for your inquiry

[@mikelhall]

I don't need to put up any posts but I'm gonna buy some of this anyway because it looks like fun. Lol

[@antonnym214]

Hey, the cost factor is minimal in the grand scheme of things. It's what, maybe 2.5 times the cost of the concrete? But your time and effort is worth money also. If I'm putting in 8 posts for a small house or shed in the back yard, I'm happy to spend $40 for that. That's a piece of cake, compared to hauling my wheelbarrow out, making concrete, pushing that from hole to hole, not to mention the extra curing time and clean-up afterward. Are you kidding me? The $40 is a bargain!

[@gingaboybuda]

Anton Nym its cheaper than concrete!

[@davidperry4013]

I agree. If this is done by a pro the labor would be a lot less than concrete. The materials cost will offset a fraction of the savings passed down to the customer on their invoice but, the customer is still saving a decent amount of money. If done by DIY, it saves a lot of time and eliminates the risk of permanent lung damage from free silica particles.

[@sheriewoody5515]

you are obviously a smart and successful contractor. I agree 100 percent with your analysis. You said it perfectly!

[@mfr5725]

This stuff has it's place in the market for sure. Just don't spill acetone on it. Its also expanding foam so it applies pressure in all directions, so with that it will take more force to extract it. Now after sometime of rain the numbers could possibly be similar to concrete.

[@timq3575]

was watching ice hockey videos and ended up watching this.... might go buy some secure set now....

[@SecureSet-Fence-Installation]

Good idea!

[@brakel8r]

Tim Q That is f#¥#ing hilarious bro. I was watching car videos

[@cloverdale87]

I USED TO use a product like this to pump into tire's. Most of the garbage places needed solid tires. Also other equipment where a flat tire could shift a load or a man if the tire went flat. It was orig. made to fill bomb holes in runways during the war. Heavy equipment was not fast enough for returning bombers if the airstrip was hit while the bombers were out on mission. What is the durometer of the cured foam?

[@sve2727]

This is the demonstration I needed to see to convince me to switch from concrete.

[@SecureSet-Fence-Installation]

Hello, Thank you, there are others benefits as well. Ease of use, transportation of material, no need for water on the job site and long term protection of the post below ground line. You will find Secure Set to be a very good alternative to concrete or other post setting materials. Thank you.

[@PapaLiten]

I'm going to go with the optimistic approach as opposed to he's attempting to sell expensive crap on the internet. 1> The holes are probably not going to be dramatically different for the testing. They're holes. 2> The ground 2 feet away is probably comparable in makeup so it's not likely that one is looser than the other. 3> The product costs $8.00 a hole and some have complained that that is too expensive. If I were doing a ranch fence where I had to schlep and mix concrete in the middle of nowhere, I'd probably consider this option. I might even consider the option normally based on labor and additional factors to mix concrete. 4> One of the declarations of the product is better penetration to adjacent soil, thus I'd expect the pulls to be heavier to unearth the posts as more soil is effected. Great video. I agree the hardhat and dad's shirt is corny.

[@SecureSet-Fence-Installation]

We only sell it for pole installation. Because we have not tested it for anything but pole installation we do not recommend it for anything else except pole installation. Thank you Jimmy Cassell for your inquiry.

[@johnhoyle6390]

this appears to be world-changing. very impressed.

[@SecureSet-Fence-Installation]

We are presently expecting to have an e-commerce website around February 1st. Customers will be able to figure out the price without having to make a call. It is going to be a very user friendly site. Thank you for your patience, we know people get a little frustrated having to call to get a price, but we are listening to our customers and changes unfortunately take some time.

[@SecureSet-Fence-Installation]

The utility industry prefers this product over concrete because of its strength, durability, ease of application, protection from water damage and absorption, and labor savings with how quickly it sets up. Unlike concrete that absorbs moisture and contributes immensely to the break down of their utility poles. You should contact the engineers of the utility companies in the country and ask them, since they have been using this type of product for over TWO DECADES.

[@jester0770]

Wouldn't this test have more to do with the ground giving way than how secure the setting material is.

[@legacy5346]

It would, unless the setting material effected the ground around it. Which happens when foam expands.

[@SolidRock008]

@@legacy5346 In what way? If you're thinking the expansion will consolidate the soil, that's not enough force. In fact, the hydrostatic pressure of the concrete just sitting there is way more force than the foam

[@legacy5346]

Are they selling a product that will result in millions of dollars in lawsuits? To answer the question, the foam expands in every direction, fills all gaps and presses outward on the soil in a manner that concrete does not. This is why it requires more force to extract the post. It is compacting the soil around it. It does seem like this outward force is inadequate, until you use the product. It's solid.

[@SolidRock008]

@@legacy5346 lol not sure where the lawsuit comment came from, I'm just a civil engineer making an observation. My point was that the foam expanding won't compact the soil because it's unconfined/allowed to rise. It's actually less outward force than the hydrostatic pressure of the unset concrete. However, you're correct that it will fill the cracks and holes better. You can ignore me, I'm just a bored, pedantic asshole

[@dandebpaco]

@@SolidRock008 the foam actually bonds to the dirt around it which is it took more force for the foam to break the ground. Concrete doesn't bond well with mud and dirt around it. This stuff is insane. I didn't think it would work as well as concrete either. But holy crap it does fantastically. No way my new 6 foot vinyl fence is coming out unless a tornado comes through. Just finished the job a few days ago.

[@joshdholsinger933]

i like this stuff the power company came to my home to set a large light post they picked it up placed it in the hole and then one man went to the truck pulled out two bottles mixed a little in a cup and poured into the whole foam filled the whole in not time less then an hour later the stuff was hard as a rock that pole is still standing today that was over 20 years ago I am a fan this stuff has been around for longer then you think we all drive by it every single day power and phone line poles

[@jonhohensee3258]

JOSH - Geez dude, get acquainted with punctuation. I swear it won't hurt your little noggin.

[@SecureSet-Fence-Installation]

I know we have used our material in temperatures down from zero to minus 5 and we had no problems, we had to mix the two components a little longer for the chemical reaction to happen cause of the cold temperatures. We have sold plenty in areas of Canada where it gets very cold and the customers are satisfied. But let me talk to some people who are more familiar with the chemical breakdown and then get back to you. Because I have never been asked about temperatures that cold before.

[@donalso]

I did not realize that fences were subject more to uplift than shear.

[@davidbhinckley]

Frost heaving

[@thegdfella4500]

will this work wit vinyl fence posts????

[@johnhenke6475]

It's about twice the price on concrete. With my back, it's well worth it.

[@SecureSet-Fence-Installation]

Hello, Yes, by the individual "Shake & Pour" single post kit, it does cost about twice what an 80 lb bag of concrete costs. However, if you purchase by the "gallon" jug, you can set 5 posts (4x4 wood posts) per gallon and then the price is about par with concrete. Thank you for your comment.

[@SecureSet-Fence-Installation]

Hello, if you purchase the product by the gallon, the price averages $5.80 per hole, a bag of concrete at our local Home Depot is now $4.66 (includes tax). You only have to wait 1 hour for Secure Set to cure, most posts can all be set in one day versus waiting until the next day for the concrete to set. Many advantages for using Secure set. Thank you

[@SecureSet-Fence-Installation]

nickbeets Secure Set has been used for over 15 years setting large power poles in excess of 10,000 pounds for the utility industry. The utility companies would not even consider using a material if it did not last at least 25 years. Utility companies own MILLIONS of poles and they would not be able to keep up with the number of poles deteriorating if the material they used to set a pole broke down. For the utility companies to approve a product you most go through unbelievable testing.

[@SecureSet-Fence-Installation]

Did you watch the whole video? We demonstrate a very strong side load condition and Secure Set held up beautifully. Understand as long as the material holding up the fence pole has a higher compression strength than the surrounding earth, the earth will give away before the material does. Secure Set has a much higher compression strength than dirt. Secure Set is also a closed cell material so it keeps water out unlike concrete that absorbs water aiding to the post rotting. Thanks for inquiring.

[@VTPSTTU]

This is an interesting test. The posts did move more in the horizontal pull with the Secure Set than they did with the concrete. Against a severe wind loading, I'd rather have the concrete on a one for one basis. However, the cost advantages in reducing labor could make the Secure Set advantageous in many situations. I'd still like to know whether I could use this to put posts in buckets for situations where I needed to move them to different places.

[@thcoura]

With SecureSet no more Alien abductions in my country wood house. Guarantee :D

[@africanqueenproject]

By the way, your video was well made.

[@SecureSet-Fence-Installation]

Thank you for taking the time to say so, we appreciate it !

[@sdgardner1954]

It's pricey, but if you were putting in a few (say 4 ) posts it is probably worth it vice mixing concrete.

[@ggsnj]

Would sandy soil affect the results of a test? My concern is wind side load when posts are set in very sandy soil.

[@jsnthurst1]

Is there an easy way to remove the post that was set with Secure Set? Can one pour acetone on the foam or does one have to break it up by poking it with something?

[@markp8295]

jsnthurst1 It is a polymer, so there will be a solvent or cracking agent (Breaks up the polymer chains.) for it but it may not be kind to the environment and you almost certainly womt want to put it into water tables etc...

[@Allbbrz]

Impressive shit !!! Gonna use it to set my backyard fence ! Thanks !

[@jamibrywatts8378]

Did you end up using this product and if so how has it held up.

[@egn83b]

I like the short term effect of this making things easier but what happens in ten years time with the foam? Does it rot or does it break down? I mean concert does not have a shelf like like mixed chemicals do. I don't think I would build a house with the stuff but maybe a good fence set or even posts for small projects but power lines really?

[@SecureSet-Fence-Installation]

+egn83b It has been tested to be a 40+ year product in the foam state. We do have people that use it inside their walls and floors. Visit our website at Secure Set www.secureset.net. Click on the “Calculate My Project” button and it will walk you through the steps which will tell you how much product you need to order for your project. This site will also tell you shipping costs and shipping times as well as answer many other questions. You can purchase Secure Set online at Home Depot www.HomeDepot.com And on Amazon www.amazon.com

[@northernlight40]

so this product has been tested in the ground for 40 years, bold statement as with many products which is highly unlikely ,so many products claim to be long lasting which is really irrelevant because new products are developed and become obsolete,and how many people who bought 30 year shingles went back after 25 years and said my shingles havent lasted 30 years and being successful either being able to prove it or have them replaced under warranty!

[@asc95]

It seems to me they are trying to show how each material (concrete - secure set) holds onto the material being installed. They both performed equally well, showing secure set is a viable option to concrete. I personally would use secure set for any wood material due to concrete typically holding moisture and rotting the wood. That would be the only application advantage for me other than the ease of use vs concrete

[@deyc3]

In Florida we would not think to use anything but PT out of climate control. It lasts forever if it stays moist enough not to dry rot.

[@markbrown261]

Good video one question which one of these two products is the most eco friendly to the environment. It probably isn't the expanding foam. Is there anyone out there that could tell us ?

[@Joshua79C]

You should learn to understand and read the FAQ on Polyurethane which is quite inert where as concrete/cement is a chemical that will very slowly leach stuff any additives that is contained within it.

[@mikethk]

Concrete still best. But Secure set seems insanely handy compared to concrete. I like

[@tango10001000]

I'm building a small wall in my back yard behind my grill. It is about 12 x 5 feet tall. It is just for decoration, so it doesn't need to be very strong. In anyway I was thinking to do a "dried stack" mortless . I see in your video that there is a wall vey much like what I want to build. My question is...did you use SecureSet to build this wall? Or can the product be use for this job?

[@jom7842]

One other thing, it just came to mind.... how does it hold up to UV solar exposure as compared to concrete. Do you have any comparable test data ?

[@SecureSet-Fence-Installation]

Jo M, UV exposure will not effect the structural integrity of Secure Set, however, it will discolor it from a cream color to a burnt orange color. To prevent any discoloration, simply cover the Secure Set with a layer of dirt as dirt is a wonderful UV inhibitor.

[@SecureSet-Fence-Installation]

+Jo M You can order this online at www.secureset.net and www.homedepot.com/s/secureset?NCNI-5

[@deyc3]

Not going to be a factor in post setting.

[@thomasknight9248]

I think I am convinced to at least try it now.... When the price comes down just a bit closer to concrete ;)

[@SecureSet-Fence-Installation]

Hello, On a single post project, the cost of Secure Set would be more than an 80 lb. bag of concrete. However, if you have a project that uses 2 3/8th inch diameter metal posts, Secure Set is equal to the price of concrete. You can set 7 metal posts with a one gallon kit. Also, mixing and pouring Secure Set is about 100 times easier than concrete and it sets in one hour. You could set your posts and build a considerable amount of your fence in one day. Thank you.

[@SecureSet-Fence-Installation]

This will last for 25 years and longer. Your fence post will not last 25 years when it is set in concrete. Concrete absorbs water when it rains, over a few years that moisture will rot out your post even with treated lumber. Thank you for inquiring about our product.

[@rfanezze1982]

I liked this idea. it´s very easy to do this product. POLYOL + MDI = RIGID FOAM. But the problem is that the foam, in contact with the earth, greatly decreases its DURABILITY. While concrete is eternal.

[@Joshua79C]

Go ahead, look up utility companies using this with video proof here on YT even. Yes just like anything else, it has a useful life, in this case it is said to last 30 years.

[@rickparker8883]

Fence posts are not typically subject to vertical withdrawal so although this is a nice test it really doesn't mean much in the real world. Let's see some side load test to see which method holds the fence up best in a strong wind.

[@Joshua79C]

you apparently did not watch the side load pull tests near the end after the uplift testing proof

[@SecureSet-Fence-Installation]

Juniormich we are working on different distributions but unfortunately everything takes time. For now you can call 405-330-2395 and a price for the amount you need will be given. The more someone orders the price per gallon drops. We have been so pleased with the people who have taken the time to get back to us with their satisfaction in working with our product.This whole idea has really turned into a blessing. Thanks for your inquiry.

[@BigIz104]

This looks like an awesome product but what about the environmental impact? Will the chemicals from the Secure Set leach out over time into the soil?

[@SecureSet-Fence-Installation]

Hello, Secure Set, when it expands and hardens, becomes high density, closed cell structural foam. It is from the polyurethane family of "plastic" chemicals. In other words, it become an inert plastic like product, that will not break down over time. Known life of the product underground is more than 40 years. In essence, you have made a "man made rock" . It does not allow water or air to move through it, therefore it does not leach out or absorb in any harmful substance in the soil. It does not affect ground water or support any fungicidal growth. It will effectively protect your posts from rot or corrosion for many many years. Thank you.

[@bluedevil0072]

What is the Shelf Life of any unused product?

[@SecureSet-Fence-Installation]

Secure Set has an 18 month shelf life.

[@skywinder1]

Besides the guy who did my post, dug the holes.......poured the dry concrete in......added the water.....stirred with a power drill......added the post.......set them straight and went to the next hole......4 guys....40 posts......2 hours.....they have been doing it for years so they have the routine down pat.

[@SecureSet-Fence-Installation]

+We_are_free We _are_anecdotal Remember how good they are in a couple years when you replace the posts. Secure Set is a 40+ year product and all the utility poles and telephone poles in the US and Canada are installed with Secure Set for the past 17 years. Visit our website at Secure Set www.secureset.net. Click on the “Calculate My Project” button and it will walk you through the steps which will tell you how much product you need to order for your project. This site will also tell you shipping costs and shipping times as well as answer many other questions. You can purchase Secure Set online at Home Depot www.HomeDepot.com And on Amazon www.amazon.com

[@TheHarleytt]

They use this here in Texas for the utility poles and guard rail poles , It seems to work pretty good in this solid clay soil . I'm not sure how long they have been using it but when the utility pole in my yard had to be replaced the crew boss told me that all the utility company's have stopped using cement because of the labor with mixing and clean up . He told me that he felt the foam was helping the poles tolerate the high winds , he said the poles set in foam didn't break off or shift as often ??

[@JustinCrediblename]

+secure set My 3.5" diameter Galvy posts with concrete above grade and sloping away should last quite a while, I reckon. longer than 40 years. Neighbor bumped one of my posts with his tractor while trying to drag a bus out of the mud. it was fine. note: 5-7 bags concrete per hole.

[@whatdahek4120]

Are you guys interested in Getting a Miami Notice of Acceptance or Florida Product Approval. I would love to see this in Florida sands for high velocity testing. I am an engineer.

[@tyronekim3506]

I'm very much in need of replacing my wooden deck posts set in concrete due to rot at the base. After seeing your video, Secure Set has piqued my interest. As far as preventing or minimizing rot, is Secure Set better than concrete? Also in concrete vs. Secure Set, what would be better when the posts have to support the weight of the deck plus anything on the deck such as furniture and people? I thank you in advance for replying to my question.

[@SecureSet-Fence-Installation]

Hello, Yes, Secure Set is the better option for setting posts that you do not want to rot below ground line. Secure Set is a high density (5 lb.) commercial strength foam with a compressive strength of 100.1 psi and a tensile strength of 130 psi. It expands 18:1. Its closed cell structure does not allow air or water to move through it. Without either air(oxygen) or water, rot cannot occur. As far decks, deck posts can be set with Secure Set for decks up to 4 to 5 feet above the ground. Make sure you set the posts deep enough and that you cross brace the vertical deck posts. Cross bracing will eliminate the potential for sway or shifting when you have a dynamic load shift, such as a deck full of people suddenly moving from one side of the deck to the other. Recommendation is to set the depth of the posts at least 1/3 of the overall length of the post or 24" whichever is greater. The diameter of the hole should be double the dimension of the post. ie: 4x4 posts should have a hole width that is 8". If you expect heavy loads on the deck, consider placing concrete pavers under the bottom of the posts to help distribute the column load on the deck posts.

[@tyronekim3506]

@@SecureSet-Fence-Installation Thank you for the information.

[@everbetter8590]

Interesting tests. Providing the specs was appreciated. In the "side-load" test, the strap was about a foot lower on the wooden post for the Secure Set which makes the leverage used unequal. Even so, both posts appeared to fail the same way. With the metal pole test, the pole set in cement bent while the cement remained in position; the pole set in secure set stayed straighter because the Secure Set moved with the pole. This may be due to the weight difference?

[@swbaldy]

+Ever Better This is the only test that is of any importance. We are typically looking for lateral load resistance with posts not tension. The metal pole test did indicate failure of the post with concrete, while the post rotated with secure set. My educated guess would be localized crushing of the Secure Set foam. I would be interested in seeing a lateral load test with the metal posts. IMO Secure Set would likely produce lower lateral load resistance.

[@SecureSet-Fence-Installation]

+Ever Better Have you ever seen a fence post broken off? This is what this test is showing you, let me explain. Secure Set has the ability to disperse the weight of the wind or an animal pushing against it and can take more force against the post because it is able to disperse the weight. Concrete is not able to disperse the weight and so when a great force comes against the post, the post breaks off. This is what this test was attempting to show you. This is why for the past 17 years the utility industry has installed all poles and telephone poles with Secure Set in every state across America and all over Canada. Have you noticed that when a car crashes into a telephone pole that there’s major damage to the car and the pole is still standing? That’s because the Secure Set was able to disperse the weight of the great force, before utility poles and telephone poles were all installed with concrete and when a car crashed into a telephone pole it would break off the pole and would need to be replaced. Visit our website at Secure Set www.secureset.net. Click on the “Calculate My Project” button and it will walk you through the steps which will tell you how much product you need to order for your project. This site will also tell you shipping costs and shipping times as well as answer many other questions. You can purchase Secure Set online at Home Depot www.HomeDepot.com And on Amazon www.amazon.com

[@swbaldy]

+50reeves Apparently I stuck a nerve. I am a structural engineer and I am not trying to knock the product... just assessing the video. In fact, I find the use of rigid expansive foam quite ingenious for this application. Which is why I watched the video. Lateral loading from wind or other applied loads would cause a moment couple in the "footer" which is transferred to the soil. If the Secure Set allows for elastic deformation (temporary crushing) then I understand your point of load dispersion. However, if the deformation is elastic to plastic (permanent crushing) then the foam would not recover to the original position and basically loose some of the load bearing capacity in that particular direction. To get back to my original point in my first post, I would like to see lateral loading tests which show moment resistance to failure. Similar to what you did in the last part of the video with loading high on the metal posts. Just need a max load from the tests. I would expect concrete to be higher here, but that is not necessarily a bad thing....

[@SecureSet-Fence-Installation]

monkfry we can't give out a ballpark figure with all the different types of calls and inquiries we get everyday. You would be absolutely amazed at the variety of inquiries we receive. We are working on a new type of sale of the product which should be out soon. The devil is always in the details which computes to more time than we would like. But you will be pleased with this new system it is going to be so easy to apply. Thank you for your inquiry.

[@samullin]

I too live in Canada - and I'm wondering if you are using your product - and if the recommendation is posts in at 48 inches due to frost - you don't need to dig so deep? We get temperatures of -40 and below in February and March - but not fond of idea of having to dig 4 ft to secure a fence post - so if this product saves me digging like a mad woman, I'd be VERY happy...

[@SecureSet-Fence-Installation]

Alex loville we apologize for not returning your call or email. It is our screw up. Alex we are very close to setting up an e-commerce website, we met last week with our web designer to put the final touches on the site. When that is done you won't have to bother calling for information the website will give you all the information you need. Thank you for informing us about not getting a response to your calls and emails. We honestly appreciate that information. Again we apologize.

[@SecureSet-Fence-Installation]

We have been selling into Canada for 3 years. We have a distrubutor in Edmonton, Alberta. Works well in cold climates, not affected by subzero temperatures.

[@LaJewel]

Boom! I love this stuff!

[@SecureSet-Fence-Installation]

+LaJewel thank you

[@SecureSet-Fence-Installation]

I ANSWERED YOUR QUESTION IN THE ABOVE COMMENT but also watch the new video Secure Set SP. Click on 50reeves to locate the video. Thanks for your inquiry sweetkellymay.

[@chriscraft77022]

you forgot to compare the price though

[@DanielRichards644]

i know your comment is old, but I checked Home Depot, they have "kits" that is enough product to do like 10 posts (roughly 10 80 lb. bags of concrete) for like 84 bucks, so it's about twice the materials cost, but it makes up for it in TIME savings when you are paying someone to do it, or saves you hours of back breaking labor mixing up bag after bag of concrete and lugging heavy ass bags of concrete around.

[@MYERZ08]

@@DanielRichards644 aye, It's like saying, I've come to visit you from Scotland. Only cost me £200. HOW! you asked! Should be like £1000 in flights alone! I swam.

[@ericulator391]

On the last tests (pulling horizontal), it seems like the concrete holds the posts vertical without giving way. The posts either break or bend, where the Secure Set seems to actually let the post bend over. Wouldn't that mean that the fence would be leaning (i.e. not 90 degrees) after a strong wind if Secure Set is used? Compared to the fence flexing, but returning to vertical if concrete is used?

[@fbaniaga9619]

What's the equivalent of 60 pound Quikrete? Cost difference? Is it similar to the foam in the can?

[@jesseweaver_fuyt]

how with this do for farm animals leaning on the post and fence. cows weight 2000lbs+ horses about the same. how will it work in a farming application

[@SecureSet-Fence-Installation]

Secure Set works great in farm fencing, as well. Many people even use it for setting pole barn posts.

[@jesseweaver_fuyt]

thank you

[@sinaloa52181]

Can this product be used for a automatic driveway gate system? Very well made videos.Thx

[@dwood2066]

Strength depends on the depth of the hole. What hole depth was the demo posts?

[@SecureSet-Fence-Installation]

As per fencing industry standards, the holes were 24" deep. GRA Services The Makers of Secure Set

[@karmakittenz69]

I'm more interested in the compression over time factor. I know concrete will provide a stable, wide footing for my project. If I use this for a carport will it eventually sink from compression of foam? Longevity? Not saving time if I have to redo it all again in 5 years.

[@SecureSet-Fence-Installation]

Hello, Good question. Secure Set has a compression strength of 100.1 psi. That means that it can support 14,400 lbs per square foot. If your carport has been constructed with either posts or walls, and either of these are supported by Secure Set, if the load bearing weight at each of those points does not exceed 14,400 lbs per sq foot, you will not have any issue with the high density foam.

[@Leondeb]

Can this be used for long term foundations ??

[@JUNIORMICH]

where do i get this from? can i get it from the Home depot? how is the price compared to cement?

[@Hizenbird]

I agree natek327. It looked like while the Secure Set held up beautifully the concrete in the side load test performed better. The bottom of the concrete wood pole didn't budge a bit while it appears that the Secure Set bottom of the wood pole did move before breaking. Makes me wonder what would happen if the load was back and forth like in the real world with wind. Still the Secure Set seems very good. I'll wait for the ecommerce site to check out pricing.

[@mvpbuilds]

Before I buy, I need to know about frost heaving with this product. Any insight on this?

[@SecureSet-Fence-Installation]

+mvpbuilds Secure Set is a closed cell plastic and cannot take on water or even moisture at anytime so the frost heave is not an issue. Visit our website at Secure Set www.secureset.net. Click on the “Calculate My Project” button and it will walk you through the steps which will tell you how much product you need to order for your project. This site will also tell you shipping costs and shipping times as well as answer many other questions. You can purchase Secure Set online at Home Depot www.HomeDepot.com And on Amazon www.amazon.com

[@luisalbertlucio]

ok but overtime which one is better concrete or this this foam breaksdown or something?

[@jeffmcmahon615]

Is this product available in Canada? Can I order it if it is not?

[@SecureSet-Fence-Installation]

Hello, Yes it is available. Call 405-672-8885 to place international order. Ships via Fed ex, usually takes 3 to 4 days to arrive. Thank you.

[@SecureSet-Fence-Installation]

Hello, Yes, for international orders, call 405-672-8885, it will ship direct via Fed Ex, will arrive in 3 to 4 days or less. Thank you

[@MeesterVegas]

50reeves: We set granite monuments. We'll dig a 6" foundation that is usually around 18" wide and maybe 5' long, and then fill with concrete directly in the hole with no form sides. Do you think SS would be good for this application?

[@SailorsbeSailin]

So... After the wood posts inevitably decay and return to the earth, along with all of the chemicals the wood was treated with, how do you propose we dispose of this plastic?

[@davidwile5109]

+schmittyboy06 Burn it.

[@africanqueenproject]

I'm a bit sceptical regards your 24 inch holes .. from watching your slowmo the ground is giving way, but the soil pattern as the ground gives way would indicate to me that your holes were "belled out" at the bottoms before the concrete and secure set were poured. Can you confirm or deny that? Just sayin, that that is not a typical industry standard when installing fence posts metal or wood.

[@SecureSet-Fence-Installation]

Hello, Your observation is good. Presenting information about a product is only worth publishing if what you present is accurate and true. What you observed is correct, the ground did give way like there was a bubble at the bottom of the post. The reality is true. The way Secure Set works is entirely different than concrete. Concrete fills a void and it relies on the weight of the concrete and the surface friction between the concrete and the inside surface of the hole to resist uplift and to some degree sideload. On the other hand, Secure Set, after it is mixed and poured into the hole, and while it is still in the liquid form, (about 45 to 90 seconds, depending on outside temperature) it is absorbed very quickly into the soil substrate. Once the bulk of Secure Set starts to expand, the product absorbed in the soil will also expand. This forms something similar to a "root ball" at the bottom of the post. Because of the penetration of the liquid Secure Set into the soil, The "root ball" effectively has a diameter larger than the diameter of the hole. Pulling the post out of the ground with this "bulge" at the bottom of the post makes it very difficult and as you observed in the video, causes a greater disruption of the soil than if the post was pulled smoothly out of a hole. That is why Secure Set works so well in addition to protecting the wood or metal post below ground line from either rot or corrosion. You had a good point, assuredly there was no "belling out" of the bottom of the hole, its just Secure Set doing its thing! Thank you

[@bigjoe2458]

What I want to know is can secure set be used as support posts for a gazebo? Does it have good compression strength? I wouldn't want my gazebo to sink into the ground. What about being used as a retaining wall?

[@Joshua79C]

This and other forms of foam set definitely do not recommend using as a concrete replacement for compressive forces where concrete works well but still can be used as a backfill around the concrete is the hole is large enough.

[@mitchdehotte]

the force of extraction depend directly of the size of the hole ( the surface betwwen secure set or concrete and soil ) so what about their size ?

[@ninjaman58]

A metal post is something that is going to stay in the ground for more than 30 years. I wonder how this will hold up for that length of time. We know concrete is like liquid stone, it just stays put.

[@soudsa1]

Where can this stuff be purchased? I need to install a new fence around the yard here in Colorado and am very interested in using this stuff. Thanks

[@BamaShinesDistillery]

Youre side wind force looked suspect. I want to see the foam as it sounded with both like it gave way where as the concrete did not.

[@gingaboybuda]

What is the life span of the foam? Expanding foam doesn’t outlast concrete especially out in the open!

[@SecureSet-Fence-Installation]

Hello, The known lifespan of high density foam that is protected under the ground exceeds 40+ years. You are correct about foam that is left exposed to ultraviolet light. After a while the foam will start to discolor (turning a yellow color). If the oxidized surface of the foam which has discolored, is left undisturbed, the damage to the foam will only be about 1/16th inch deep. However, with the possibility of yard maintenance work disturbing the oxidized zone, the UV light will affect the next layer of foam, etc. Over time the foam will slowly deteriorate until it gets to ground level and is covered with soil. Thank you.

[@TheGuitarded1]

Would this be secure on posts for Calisthenics bars?

[@SecureSet-Fence-Installation]

Hello, Yes it would work, Set the posts for the bar at least 1/3rd the overall length of the post. If you want the bar to be 7 feet above the ground, you will need a 10 foot post, with 3 feet set in the ground. Thank you.

[@annestudley8235]

How would secure set deal with ground heaving from freezing and thawing in colder climates?

[@Joshua79C]

Its the same as insulation foam, so it is not affected by heaving, heck, utilities have been using expanding closed cell in their industry for a few decades now. There are some videos proving this use.

[@apburner1]

I don't have dinosaurs running around my neighborhood trying to pull fence posts out of the ground, the test is meaningless in the real world.

[@westtexasprepper]

+apburner1 Come to west Texas and experience 70-80 MPH winds in the spring

[@TheHarleytt]

The utility company's love secure set here in Rockwall TX.

[@austin1839]

Then don't ever move to Texas.

[@plastite]

I can`t seem to find this product in Canada.

[@SecureSet-Fence-Installation]

Hello, It is available through direct order. Call 405-672-8885, usually takes 3, maybe 4 days to arrive once the order is processed. Thank you! GRA Services

[@tylerbonser7686]

Was this done on a movie set?

[@SecureSet-Fence-Installation]

+tyler bonser no in a backyard

[@karenromero1703]

Why only fence posts? Why not footings for houses?

[@SecureSet-Fence-Installation]

Thank you for your question, Karen. As a 5 lb. high density foam, Secure Set does have great compression resistance, however, it was not designed or tested for foundation application. In its application for fence posts, decks, gazebos, pole barns, and many other applications including telephone poles, it does extremely well, other applications such as foundation work would be outside the scope of testing and its designed use. GRA Services - The Makers of Secure Set

[@yinhong82]

may i know how to effectively remove it from soil ? cut with a saw ? or smash it like concrete? as far as i know the texture is sort of a hard dry sponge

[@SecureSet-Fence-Installation]

+Victor Lim To remove it from the soil you can simply dig it out. Visit our website at Secure Set www.secureset.net. Click on the “Calculate My Project” button and it will walk you through the steps which will tell you how much product you need to order for your project. This site will also tell you shipping costs and shipping times as well as answer many other questions. You can purchase Secure Set online at Home Depot www.HomeDepot.com And on Amazon www.amazon.com

[@SecureSet-Fence-Installation]

You nailed it that is exactly correct.

[@dongalbraith5018]

If Secure Set expands above ground, can you chop or cut it to ground level?

[@SecureSet-Fence-Installation]

Yes, you can easily cut it with a hack saw, chain saw, or cut it with a sharp shooter shovel. Or, if it starts to expand out of the hole you can throw dirt on it, and with gloves on press down on it as much as possible to push the expansion of the foam into the earth.

[@vikamichka]

I need to put 6x6 wood post to hold solar panels in Canada. That means heavy load on each post (about 100 kgs load, 6 feet wood above soil) on compression and soil movement on winter/spring (because big difference in temeprature). So my question: foam or concrete ?

[@douglasreeves5572]

Using foam will be more than adequate. The issue is the depth of the post. I'm not sure how deep you are planning on setting the posts, but based on your information, with the load you have I would set the post no less than 48" in the ground, that should put you below the frost line. Also, if you can, try to "bell" shape the bottom of the hole a little, this will be a very good way to also counter frost heave. Thank you.

[@kabukkiman6698]

I'm guessing that since the product saves,time,and labor,,it cost twice as much per post set? Anybody?

[@SecureSet-Fence-Installation]

Secure Set is not attempting to be a cheaper alternative than concrete for installing fence posts. It is a superior product to concrete for installing fence posts. When you figure in the over all cost of a fencing project, including labor and time then often Secure Set will cost you less than concrete. If you are only figuring material costs then you will cheat yourself because in the end you are the one to pay for your own project. If your time, back and the labor of the project are worth anything to you then you will come out way ahead with Secure Set. A 1 Gallon kit $28.00 plus shipping) will fill the same as 5 (80lb) bags of concrete.And we have not found an 80lb bag of concrete for $2.00. Be bold and try it. It truly is an elite product for fencing! Visit our website at Secure Set www.secureset.net. Click on the “Calculate My Project” button and it will walk you through the steps, which will tell you how much product you need to order for your project. This site will also tell you shipping costs and shipping times as well as answer many other questions. You can purchase Secure Set online at Home Depot www.HomeDepot.com And on Amazon www.amazon.com

[@zackschpok7634]

Can it be used for foundation like a deck post?

[@SecureSet-Fence-Installation]

Hello, Yes, it is used extensively for deck posts. You have basically have a vertical load on the post but not much side load "IF" you cross brace the posts under the deck. Protects the posts below ground line for decades as opposed to concrete.

[@georgenettlesjr1466]

how to buy?

[@SecureSet-Fence-Installation]

You can purchase Secure Set from 3 different websites. www.secureset.net www.amazon.com www.homedepot.com

[@Ambition1337]

Hey. Is it posiblee to buy it in Europ to ?

[@renerodriguez9408]

When you pull, you are testing the strength of the soil, not the strength of concrete or secure set

[@SecureSet-Fence-Installation]

Hello, Yes to a degree. That is why it is important to test both products in the same soil type. What we are demonstrating, is that in a side by side test, under exactly the same conditions, Secure Set holds the post in the ground better, as it requires greater uplift force to extract it from the ground. The reason is that Secure Set actually permeates into the soil as a liquid, before it expands into high density foam. This allows it to lock into the substrate more tenaciously than does concrete. Concrete fills the hole, but it does not penetrate the soil. Secure Set is also a closed cell material which prevents air and water from getting to the post below ground line. This protects the post and helps prevent rot for wood poles and corrosion for metal posts. Thank you.

[@renerodriguez9408]

@@SecureSet-Fence-Installation ok, good point. Thank you

[@kgfaro]

Can this be used on vinyl fence posts?

[@SecureSet-Fence-Installation]

Yes it can