10x Damage vs 10x Attack Speed in BTD 6

[@pi7855]

Sabre: Bloon Crush does nothing Sabre in the last 20 rounds: **constantly saved by Bloon Crush stunning the insides of the BAD**

[@ahmedayham1273]

Yep

[@shotsandguns-v9j]

ya

[@popmantheboy4074]

It’s not for damage but support

[@SUP-yz3xw]

yea

[@GamingSolo_1]

Yup

[@lordforce5546]

The druid making a bunch of money was the MVP

[@acidamphibian]

i agree

[@steviewarwick7331]

Yeah

[@jenniferambrose5171]

It can’t it’s the MVM

[@los-lobos]

@@jenniferambrose5171what

[@maltehildorsson3849]

Sabres placement for the glaive lord hurts

[@MeOne2Three4]

Sabre using the glaive lord hurts. 60% of its normal popping power isn't being boosted by the 10x attack speed (the rotating glaives)

[@Christ_is_King_Deus_Vult]

All of Saber's placements are cancer

[@Jboy825x]

@@Christ_is_King_Deus_Vultdamn

[@billybobjoe_15]

Morgan Ellis????

[@ihisassy_catihi925]

@MeOne2Three4 AGREED

[@Timmyk987]

Tewtiy saying no money making towers. Proceeds to get spirit of the forest making him like an additional 150k.

[@littleworm69]

Fr

[@317saleem]

he’s just like that

[@DarkFrozenDepths]

Tewtiy and Sabre: (uses mods that give 10x speed or damage) Bloons: (exponentially ramp up far more than 10x HP and eventually speed) Also Bloons: That's cute.

[@PROBTD]

😂😂😂

[@Lynx-Abir]

To all the guys who were dying seeing saber not get an MAD which is probably one of, if not the best tower for this challenge and instead getting pop and awe and freaking ENERGIZER, I feel sorry for you

[@Voxel_13525]

2 words super mines

[@raulbujan-sk4vc]

Flying fortress

[@gouravbajaj5972]

bro he missed super mines aswell

[@Sir.BlackHole]

@@Voxel_13525 lag mines*

[@OvanYang]

Balloon master alchemist.

[@Lukiedepuky]

The fact that sabre says that bloon crush is hot garbage but if he didnt have it he was already DEAD

[@leifboi6321]

Tewtiy's placement of the Ray of Doom had me itching to replace it the entire video.

[@Sora_Terra]

Both are equal in terms of the capability of dealing damage but attack speed is more vesatile and more adaptive and can distribute its damage WAY BETTER ...

[@JVaunVeaux]

🤓

[@johncenearwowo7847]

@@JVaunVeauxsybau

[@Cl0udCh4ser]

Say that to the Fortified BAD that wasn't popped by the 10x Attack Speed, while the 10x Damage popped it. You don't need versatility with 10x Damage, you just need Spirit of the Forest, MAD and a bunch of towers with very fast attack speed. This far surpasses any damage the 10x Attack Speed could ever DREAM to achieve. 10x Attack Speed was being carried by stuns and it couldn't do anything to BADs other than hope it had enough damage. Still, I'd love to see how that would change if the 10x Atk Speed bought a MAD or more useful towers other than Energizer.

[@Sora_Terra]

​@@Cl0udCh4serWhat do you mean? There is no difference in the damage that 10x attack speed and 10x damage could do... But you are right there are exceptions like stuns ( damage does not affect it ) and DOTs ( theoretically it should not be different because 10x attack speed should tick in 1/10 of the normal time ). The one thing that makes 10x attack speed superior is: Example: The normal tower shoots once every 10 second and does 1 damage.The Bloon has 15 hp and needs 18 seconds to get all the way through. 10x damage could shoot once if it had cooldown at the beginning and would then do 10 damage to the bloon. 10x attack speed could shoot 17/18 times if it had cooldown at the beginning and would defeat the bloon. Also damage distribution is a thing: Example:A tower can normally shoot 5 times a round. 10x damage could have a loss of his damage he could do becauss the bloon hes shooting has low hp already = damage loss This is a thing that 10x attack speed does not have as big problems with. In the End the one thing that could/would destroy x times attack speed is LAG.😅

[@aidanarmaggeddon]

Well there's simply one reason why Attack Speed is always better. Multiplicative Buffs.

[@Carxle-hw5fj]

I love how sabre always finds a way to smoothly say “use code tewbre” mid conversation 😅

[@Omni-King-o1w]

As Sabre once said-"WE NEED MORE BANANA FARMS!"

[@PazEspinosa-qt3hi]

Theres alot of things that made me feel pain in this video. Like tewty going for glave lord insted of perma charge and saber glaive lord placement. Also not going for homeland defence and carpet of spike is such a blunder

[@Fancy_Snail]

Sabre: none of my towers are global Primary expertise: what about meeeee😢

[@NotActuallyAnotherDevice]

Tewtiy giving the bloon solver the midle crosspath literally gave me physicall pain

[@djenglish5404]

If Sabre got super mines,it would’ve been pure chaos,and if tewtiy got legend of the night it would’ve also been chaos

[@CooperCunningham-dy8dd]

Ryan technically won, because he was able to pop the bad and died to the DDT’s and saber just died completely to the bad

[@sofiesysmans2236]

I thought so too.

[@Tristapillar]

I was planning on doing a comment to mention this exact thing, but first went to look for a comment that was already mentioning it...

[@RegiGang]

no he didnt because ryan use the druid ability at the begining. That gave him money

[@silverco.]

No he didn't ​@RegiGang

[@johannesdatblue4164]

Always attack speed. Damage can overkill, attackspeed doesnt. And more projectiles= more effective pierce. On top of the same single targer dps you gain better aoe dps and often you dont need high dmg in those situations.

[@Alone-SF]

I, before watching the video, will say... Attack speed. Reason being, while both should end up with the same dps, with more damage, a lot of it gets wasted. For example, say you need 5x more damage to destroy a certain bloon in a second. With more damage, you will still do it in a second, but waste half of the boost, while more speed does it in half a second, and starts then attacking next bloon immediately after. Of course exception to this would be towers that can't attack the same bloon more than once, or destroy everything inside upon popping the outer layer.

[@normalchannel2185]

Overdamage doesn't really matter as soon as you get beyond the one shot area, which means round 80. If there was no limit on Attack speed(there is a HARD coded limit due to the tick speed(no mod can change this since its a problem of the coding language)) it would still be better due to special effects. EG Bloon crush won't benefit much from 10x damage, but 10x speed made it the MVP of Saber's strat. Same with BMA

[@OmniSun97]

Tewtiy getting shrapnel shot instead of getting top path is making me go crazy (70 dmg per shot instead of like 20)

[@leonardgrnseth8389]

well, the shrapnels do help a lot with grouped bloons and the shrapnels do of course do 10x damage also, so I would have gotten shrapnel too

[@privatepumpkin7095]

The problem is that attack speed is almost always better than damage. The only way damage would be better is if you're going for one-shot towers like first strikes. Attack speed also would create way more lag. Edit: Abilities will probably also be better with 10x damage

[@Tyboom3]

Damage is still way better you just need aoe attacks like bomb or mortar or pierce like the anti bloon since ALL effected bloons will take the 10x damage then they are equal

[@privatepumpkin7095]

@@Tyboom3 *affected Also damage and speed do the same DPS in that scenario. Damage does 10x damage 1 time and speed does 1x damage 10 times in the same amount of time

[@trexoipro1235]

7:44,I agree with Sabre

[@EhtesamUddinPrince]

Then you are *WRONG*

[@TrainOfImagination]

10x damage: needs pierce and speed 10x speed: BLOON CRUSH

[@Mario_but_Paper]

That bloon crush saved sabre so many times

[@Jumpyman21]

You should make a series out of this and do 100 next time

[@Craigalicioususa]

Sabre should have gotten Pat Fusty so we can see Pat Smacking Bloons at light speed lol

[@DemetriosTsakarestos]

“There’s no reason for me to get glue since it doesn’t stack” Super glue with hypersonic attack speed and a basically permastall stun from the shots “Am I a joke to you?”

[@CadenT02]

17:10. I don’t think Tewtiy has any clue how cracked Blooncineration is. Especially now because it has 10x attack speed

[@xurkit7]

also it gets rid of fortified

[@Ibraheem_Mustafa]

I wish Sabre took Ryan's advice and got an MAD 😭

[@GenericTopHat31]

Tewtiy’s plasma accelerator placement is so painful

[@beamahh]

I want tewbre to win in the charity event

[@zabukyt7109]

Me too

[@cannonwaite8659]

SHREK

[@QuasarNTy]

AHH

[@I_AmNotAccurate]

NO, BOLTRIX

[@MrGreenzzo]

It wont....

[@BloxinGamer-k2s]

The Biggest one, The fastest one, The deadly one, the mortar.

[@jezpolska]

You should do 2x Range VS 5x Pierce, or something like that, because this challenges are insane!

[@PROBTD]

Bro why would Sabre get pop and awe it attacks so fast already, he should’ve got an MAD and he could’ve easily popped the BAD

[@Mrboyplays.]

Player three loves

[@Rip_SANS22]

True

[@Skull278]

BANANA SALVAGE

[@Z9sb2yd8zj2]

❤❤😂 yeh

[@Keivenb]

[@Plushvrgtag]

You play gorilla tag let's go

[@williammatz165]

I'm honestly surprised that people aren't talking about this. Sabre didn't get Spirit of the Forest so he wasn't getting the extra $1000 per round. Despite this he still tied with Tewtiy. If he had all that extra money he would have easily beat the fortified BAD on round 200 It was really interesting seeing both of their strategies though. Great video!

[@mothlexfall1056]

Ten times speed is way better than ten times attack speed but sabre is bad so it was a tie

[@ManiacScout]

There is no damage limit, but there is an attack speed limit Elite Defender cannot gain more attack speed than infinite.

[@jaredjosephsongheng372]

So There is technically no limit

[@Chantell-d2y]

Imagine 100x damage with M.A.D on tier 5 Bloonarius

[@slaymaster4657]

Tewtiy technically won, because he could pop the outer Layer of the Fortified BAD

[@Lykardss]

feel like sotf was kinda unfair with the cash gen, that deffo gave an unfair leg up with no other money gen

[@normalchannel2185]

I mean, Saber could also get it. And it was barely nothing. Maybe it would have allowed saber to get a t4 that would have had him pop the first Fbad on 200, but he would have lost on the 2nd Fbad anyways

[@PROBTD]

@@normalchannel2185tewity got it on round 57, it gives 1k a round, that 140k of extra money that Sabre didn’t have, and with that he’d easily win

[@normalchannel2185]

@@PROBTD so why didn't Saber get it? Also

[@Tyboom3]

@@PROBTDok but sabre could have got it too and didnt thats user error

[@Demonic23522]

Sabre: Im on ROUND 15! Tewtiy: Im ALSO on round 15 Sabre: Well i can say use creator code tewbre Me: I already used creator code Tewbre

[@Skull278]

Relatable

[@Confuzzled2435]

Isab beating round 380 easily with no mods. Tewbre not even beating round 200 with ten times attack speed and damage

[@InfiniteG7-3831]

Isab has money making towers tho

[@nguyenkhachuyphuong1261]

Isab used Banana Farm

[@imdedlnside]

​​@@nguyenkhachuyphuong1261 To be honest, 10 times attack speed/damage is insanely op, more than those banana farms (without being able to use paragon higher than degree 50 that is), and ISAB could absolutely get past round 200 if he do this kind of challenge

[@nguyenkhachuyphuong1261]

@@imdedlnside believe it or not A Flying fortress x10 damage is just a degread 1 paragon And ISAB used paragon too Without a banana farm they hardly can buy a t5 At the same time ISAB can buy 5 T5

[@The_Spooky_Boi]

Sabre shouldve gotten m.a.d fr

[@sirthisisawendysdrivethrough]

Sabre forgot M.A.D which probaly made him op same with tewtiy as well the both could have got way further

[@mrflipy12-q8k]

idea 10x abilty damge vs 10x abilty regeneratison and you can only use abiltys but you can use early game

[@ZephyramG]

I feel like they could have definitely beat round 300 by using the temple glitch, is that just me?

[@pozzytrack0]

Don’t let Sabre distract you from the MVP the time monkey on the bench.

[@windy5161]

The correct answer to what benefits most from x10 damage are the biggest one with burny stuff and a M.A.D

[@shadow_finder725]

i also think a 2-5-0 sub would 1 shot most moabs,bfbs, and possibly zomgs

[@DailyEntertaintment]

I hate when they skip rounds, because i have the feeling it’s only to Get faster over with the video.

[@ExetiorExeExetiorthearch-demon]

The winner would be Tewtiy because, unlike Sabre, Tewtiy popped the F-BAD layer as a few F-DDT passed the finish line, while for Sabre, he barely even damaged the F-BAD layer. So, even though they both lost (And basically tied), Tewtiy technically won.

[@PatrioticTroll]

It's actually not surprising how close it was. Both of you are popping the balloons pretty much instantly so at the same rate.

[@EthanGaming71]

Tewtiy should leave a like to the mode that he uses

[@fireflywhy3809]

I have not watched the video yet but I will absolutely go on a rampage if they do not get engineer THEY DIDN’T WHY MY LIFE IS BEING TORTURED

[@Xnncx930]

Tewtiy: says something Sabre(he has nothing else to say): “use code tewbre, that’s teeeedobouyoubeearee”

[@steviewarwick7331]

Bro 10x damage +criple Moab is OP

[@steviewarwick7331]

And 10x speed too

[@alihead7809]

Sabre looking like he's enjoying the high life

[@felixlandry2241]

They totally forgot about spike factory 😂

[@Jsen-q4h]

POV me shouting at tewity through the screen to use elite defender: AUHHHHHGHHH USE ELITE DEFENDERRRRRR Tewity at 9 minute mark: elite defend is going nutty Edit: I added the tewity part

[@JuicewrldEminemlover]

New tewbre video alert 🚨

[@GODS_PYROMANIAC]

If the lag wouldn't have been that bad, then I think Sabre totally shoulda gone for Bloon Master Alchemist

[@AndersHuberty-kb5co]

It was multiplied by 10 not added so things with high damage like MAD would have dealt like 5,000 damage per hit

[@coucou2523]

Idk how they don't figure out that 10x is not +10 what I mean Is that if you have 10× damage then take a high damage not a high speed because it will add more

[@ambikashyam3441]

I just love these two just make my day

[@Zosh_]

Sabre should have used the Sentry Champion

[@Sir.BlackHole]

Lag Champion*

[@joshkitto3943]

Proves how balanced they try to make the towers considering they were neck and neck for a good while at 10x damage vs 10x speed

[@Him1539]

Sabre not thinking about ninja monkey top path

[@jasonchiu272]

Just by intuition, 10x attack speed is better than 10x damage purely because of buffing mechanics, specifically the alchemist. Let's say for example that the buff gives +1 damage to every shot. For a 10x damage tower that originally deals 1 damage, a single shot will now deal 10 + 1 = 11 damage. However, if the same buff is given to a 10x attack speed tower, then each shot now deals 1 + 1 = 2 damage, which when we multiply by 10, results in 20 damage.

[@dumber123dumbest]

Attack speed it good but when you use that same idea that alchemist adds +1 dmg (or more), it wont work for high damage towers. Yes a dart monkey would be buffed by the extreme by that combination but a M.A.D wouldn’t get that same buff since hundreds of dmg added by one is less then a percent added dps. 10 times damage in this case also may not have been additive but literal multiplication, which then means any already powerful tower would be even more efficient then the ones that attack faster(with the exception of super monkey paths). Lad thing to mention is that the scaling of the bloons increase exponentially, which makes them move faster, but mostly effects the Moab hp, which 10 times dmg would keep up with(though the speed may cause that to be false).

[@imdedlnside]

Math ain't mathing at all. Also, 10x damage is better, actually. It gives less lag, and it makes an already op heavy hitter tower do WAY more damage

[@timothynorman6044]

It hurts me so much that neither of them got MAD

[@CJboss33]

For 10x attack speed the best way to win in my opinion is focus only on B.A.D defense. Bloonmaster alchemist solos everything but Bads so making a strat based on destroying bads the quickest may beat out 10x damage. 10x damage is easier surprised tewity didn’t win

[@tempestpbkh]

I like to say Tewtiy won only because he popped the Fortified B.A.D and it was further away from the exit, but the DDTs were just too fast so they leaked.

[@applesbananas9217]

surprised neither used avatar of wrath

[@Cone_69420]

Bottom and Top path perma spike will surely, and positively lag the game

[@0bsidianPrime]

No helicopters? Only Sky Shredder? No Super Monkey? Scripted x10.

[@savior-ky4um]

2:35 twebre 🔥

[@wate14]

Tuah

[@KarsonRahn-ib6cw]

A good rematch would be with paragons and money making Towers like Banana farms

[@bouchardbaker1279]

I say they do 100 times attack speed vs times 10 times attack speed but whoever has 100 times attack speed can only ues T2s and 10 can use T5s

[@divykapoor-s4q]

sabre could have easily won but sabre is sabre at the game.

[@divykapoor-s4q]

Just imagine stuff like mad , supermines,permaspikes and bloonincin. also he could have got super brittle giving +5 damage to each projectile.

[@jdenbrown7302]

Here’s a challenge 0-0-0 dart monkey 10x damage against round 100 bad or boss bloon.

[@yovjenn5858]

Best KZbinr duo ever. under 30 minutes gang

[@Comedykingdom69420]

SPIKE FACTORY 10X SPEED OR 10X DAMAGE WHAT WOULD BE BETTER

[@MaxZurek-ey5ln]

Would be exactly the same lol

[@ConnorGilmore-w5t]

Yknow a lot of Sabre’s issues would have been solved with a superstorm

[@Samurai_Spirit23]

Bloon master alchemist with 10x attack speed goes crazy… Only issue would be the outer layer of a bad, but i think they restricted it because of rubber to gold.

[@enderdude24]

Nice to see that after so many years tewty still has a baby voice

[@cheesegamer4152]

Technically 10x attack speed and 10x damage gets the same amount of dps so technically its just who plays the best i really dont think i need to explain this its really easy to understand snd i hope tewbre understood this when making the video

[@DavisPetersen-k7u]

correct

[@privatepumpkin7095]

Attack speed is better in every way but 2: Lag due to the projectile count and one-shot towers

[@Orcaimpact]

Not if you use bloom master alchemist

[@thePunMaster52]

The overall dps increase is the same, but attack speed is better since not every balloon is going to take the full damage of the 10x shot. Meaning the boosted dmg is wasting part of its dps, while the attack speed is maximizing. Yes, I typed this all for a reply

[@privatepumpkin7095]

@@thePunMaster52 Yeah, but there are a couple other drawbacks to each. Extra damage has the drawback of doing more damage than needed to pop a bloon, resulting in list damage. That problem is easy less of a problem in later rounds. It also doesn't get to use the other special effects such as stuns and blowbacks. Extra attack speed mainly might just not get the full benefit from most abilities and passives. I'm not entirely sure if this is true, but it would make sense if things like maelstrom or SOTF didn't get the speed boost. Yes, I also wrote all of this out just for a comment

[@RohanBhandari-v6c]

you should do 10x damage against 10x bloons and 1x attack speed against 10x health bloons

[@d.f.x.2481]

Technically tewtiy won the challenge because he at least popped the first reinforced BAD while sabre didn't even managed to pop it

[@jokeractual5239]

Should do it again but use the same towers, in the same place, same targeting and see who goes longest

[@elegantk]

tewtiy actually won since he popped both the fortified BADs, The DDT just got by.

[@gkplaysgame]

I think that the strategy wouldn't differ that much because say you have MAD, both would have a 10x damage mad, one is just one strong attack, but one is 10x amount of attacks

[@benrockefeller6334]

That's true for a lot of towers, but not all of them. Most notably is the glue gunner and ice monkey. Neither can deal damage to the bloons multiple times (with caveats like refreeze and the whole DOT aspect of glue gunner), so making the single strike they get that much stronger is indeed a very powerful buff relative to the attack speed. Towers that already attack super fast or just have such short range that they can only attack one or two times per bloon will also inherently benefit more. The biggest mistake Tewtiy made was not getting pre-emptive strike, which shoots one missile at every moab-class bloon that spawns. It's already a moderately weak tower with high attack speed, but the ability is on another level of broken when buffed with 10x damage. That buff basically turns it into the Nautic Siege Core's variant of the pre-emptive strike ability.

[@tempestpbkh]

@@benrockefeller6334 I'd also like to argue that Tewity had way more pops I believe. He was also actually able to pop the Fortified B.A.D on round 200. Sabre also only really got far because of Bloon Crush pushing back and stunning the moab-class bloons.

[@normalchannel2185]

@@benrockefeller6334 But for 10x speed the Bloon Crush made it so that any non BAD was a non problem, and BMA would have been crazy(at the end, you don't want him early since he makes you LOSE money)

[@benrockefeller6334]

@@normalchannel2185 Non-BADs weren't really a problem in general for either side. As Tewtiy acknowledged at the end, he had the ability to wipe the bloons out after the BAD popped, but his own mismanagement of abilities made it so that he lost a fight that he otherwise had won. Don't get me wrong, bloon crush and BMA definitely benefit from 10x attack speed much more than 10x damage, but in this instance, I'm not sure that BMA would've helped, as BMA doesn't affect BADs either, and that's what killed Sabre.

[@normalchannel2185]

@benrockefeller6334 overall, I think Saber mismanaged his strat. For example, Pop and Awe isn't worth buying with 10x speed.

[@nunya-biz7]

Tewtiy won because he popped the fortified bad while Sabre didnt

[@Oscarninjacat]

Saber should have used a tower that attacks fast from the beginning because it would attack 10x faster

[@Cdog3289]

Dude x10 speed spike factory would be insane

[@jacksam7182]

thats what im saying

[@jacksam7182]

at first i was like wait a min if tewty got like spike storm then 10* dmg would be insane

[@MaxZurek-ey5ln]

10x attack speed and 10x damage are extremely similar. The only thing that matters is tower choice and placement, basically saying the better player will win.

[@DannyJenner]

Banana Farm Paragon Idea Gives you 25-50 Thousand a Round But all other money ways are cut in half(Ability)When You Activate The Ability You Would Make From The Paragon 75 thousand but any other ways of money are active like 1 bloon would equal the normal amount(Price)587,000-786,000

[@TTVMini]

Tewtiy could have got M.a.D. To Destory every bad

[@DaveJenson-p3k]

10x speed is better bc 1- more of the dps can be used by 100% pierce, especially early game 2- more attack speed means more bloon effects and better monkey buffing

[@yeremkevorkian1762]

We’re already doing that

[@opensesime387]

those who are confused about how they stayed on almost the same round the whole game is that if something does 1 damage and has a 1 sec cooldown with 10x faster attack speed it would do 10 damege per second example 1s whould have 10 attacks in a sec witch would make 10damage per second while the 10x damage would do 1 attack per sec that whould do 10 damage so they whould both do the same damage per second sorry for bad grammer btw

[@Carxle-hw5fj]

I love how they stopped doing challenges, instead it’s just the normal game but EASIER 😂, but to make it interesting they just vs each other, both having different op advantages 😭.

[@the_katss]

To be fair, they did remove all sources of moneymaking.

[@Carxle-hw5fj]

@@the_katss ig for them that’s hard 🤣

[@sethmccullough5882]

Hey Sabre! I love these videos! Hope everything is going ok for you guys

[@JWalker444]

10x damage or attack speed crossbow masters would be insane

[@NicholasMills-r3n]

I guess you could say at the beginning the moabs only appeared once is a Bloon Moon

[@RandomPerson-dr4py]

Rare instance of tewbre not using two times cash lol

[@MRFRESHASIN]

Master balloon alchemist with 100x speed everything is a rubber balloon 😂