[TF2] In Defense Of The Wrap Assassin

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Footage used:
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Spongebob Squarepants
Great Barrier Reef with David Attenborough
STAR_ - TF2: Oddjob Scout [Live Commentary]
Samwiz1 - [TF2] Free Crits Glitch For The Wrap Assassin's Ornament
Soundsmith - [TF2] Weapon Stereotypes! Episode 2: The Scout

[@fishstickonastick-gaming]

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[@cosmicsae]

epic

[@Nikkibuh]

Love that you're making dough, but every VPN service straight up steals user info and sells it lol

[@lucky_dice_bitch9810]

hey fish which primary do you think it go's best with? (be sides the baby face)

[@jolt8133]

no

[@lucky_dice_bitch9810]

@@jolt8133 yes

[@noone3708]

"it also deals extra damage to fist of steel heavies." Paper beats rock

[@bbiancaharve]

cool

[@mistermeaner2548]

My guy, that joke gave me psychosis.

[@MoBallin]

Touche

[@mdbgamer556]

Trueee

[@CowKirbo]

A steel rock

[@PotatoPatatoVonSpudsworth]

"Let's encourage high-skill play with this weapon by giving it guaranteed crits at range. But then let's hide that stat so nobody knows to try doing that."

[@Rappii318]

A classic Valve moment

[@Killerbee4712]

Like how they hid the "Guaranteed Critical hits" stat on the Ubersaw?

[@kingbib0fbubyt377]

@@Killerbee4712 Actually no. It's just that Medic's crit rate doesn't just increase from his own damage, but also his heal target's. Plus since the Ubersaw is the most commonly used medic melee outside of self defense, that makes it more likely to get a crit.

[@shadowdragun]

@@kingbib0fbubyt377 you missed the entire point of the joke. Congrays

[@kingbib0fbubyt377]

@@shadowdragun you're welcome

[@EseehcruoykcufI]

I never realized this weapon was considered "trash" having a long range option on scout is super fun

[@Hungeryan]

I'm more surprised that sniper having any sort of close range combat ability is considered OP, but Scout having any long range damage is considered garbage.

[@BasicallyGoblin]

Oh, for years it was considered hot garbage. Back in the day many people called it scout's worst weapon besides the SoaS.

[@drivanradosivic1357]

@@BasicallyGoblin SOAS and the SVF aka the RIFT items need a alt fire that does fire damage, I thought something like a flare gun shot for them, but now Dragon's Fury fireball would be better. for the Wrap Assassin, I just considered it a funny weapon, but now I might start using it.

[@Duothimir]

@@Hungeryan I wouldn't say garbage, but you have to factor in arcs and projectile travel time. It isn't as reliable as melee unless you're already in melee range.

[@Breakaway-ic5gj]

@@Hungeryan TF2 Community's opinions on weapons are outdated and/or biased. Pick weapons on your own.

[@alexrexaros9837]

TF2 : The only game where "hiting your balls" is a technical term.

[@Armetzger]

"Zenyatta needs to slam his balls in the head of an enemy to be effective"

[@Argonwolfproject]

Baseball, softball, tennis, golf, croquet, cricket, field hockey, ping-pong and billiards: "Are we a joke to you?"

[@bac0ntoast]

yes because baseball isnt a game

[@Henrex2000]

@@bac0ntoast it is

[@bac0ntoast]

@@Henrex2000 and sarcasm isnt a concept

[@loveshankme]

Great video. I always just figured "hey, throw a glass ball at the enemy for funsies lol" and rolled with the wrap assassin for that. It's a darkly funny concept.

[@grunchchristmas]

Rolled haha

[@GuitarOfTime0116]

This is exactly how I felt with the Scottish resistance. "Hey, I like to play with traps and this weapon is both good at making traps and destroying enemy traps!"

[@Vukan.Kos.]

I like fish slapping people to death.

[@YoutubeCommonman_Totas]

@@Vukan.Kos. I like hands slapping people to death. Really slowly

[@getthegoons]

It's one of those instances of impractical Violence that always makes me laugh. Like in that one South Park Game, Butters has a power where he full force throws a hammer in another kids face at point blank range. That shits hilariously impractical.

[@RTRC_2012]

I don't know how this weapon was ever considered "bad." Even after the Sandman was nerfed, how did people not see what this thing is good for? This is one of those weapons that does have downsides, but you almost never see them come into play, so it might as well be a straight upgrade.

[@davidhong1934]

Sensible Dog 09 said it best The Sandman is a straight upgrade as a damage dealing melee on a class that isn't expected to deal damage with melee. Using the Wrap Assassin means not using the Atomizer or Boston Basher, and most Scout play styles are hardwired to incorporate those two weapons. Also, and this is the really important reason, it's too festive. Using Christmas themed weapons on months that aren't December feels blasphemous.

[@keyboardstalker4784]

Because soundsmith said it was bad, and his word is gospel according to the tf2 community.

[@Archimedes.5000]

They didn't because sandman was literally better Sure the recharge rate may be slower, but stun is infinitely better than bleed

[@Archimedes.5000]

However that doesn't change the fact that people who think it's *still* bad are idiots

[@pyke-eldestripadordelospue3254]

@@Archimedes.5000 it was, but now it isn't. Sandman is almost useless

[@rdablock]

Reminds me when in CSGO the AUG and SG553 were considered "noob weapons", then Valve brought down their prices and pros began to use it. Then Valve returned the prices to normal and the pros still use it because they're just too good. Then Valve ended up nerfing them for good

[@danielmoran3578]

Classic valve Weapon starts out bad Make it OP Small nerf Big nerf Repeat

[@TKsh1]

They always were great weapons since the CS 1.6 days, it's kinda hilarious that the only thing that held down their use was the weapon value. Talk about a stale meta.

[@Furyfrags]

The AUG is still one of my favourite weapons though

[@hush6692]

Oh, the tragedy of SG553. At least it was a fun alternative to buying fucking AK every time, but now you can outgun 8/10 people with R8 ffs (and as much as I love this weapon, it's still a complete trash.)

[@Treblaine]

Hmm, maybe the pros are saying the wrap assassin is bad just to stop valve nerfing it.

[@purplehaze2358]

Fun fact, the cleaver and wrap assassin's bleeds actually stack because they deal separate damage types. I'd personally prefer using either the cleaver OR the WA and save the leftover slot for a different weapon, but it's certainly a decent option to run a combo scout of sorts using both.

[@Shaun_Jones]

I mean, even if you aren’t getting the long-range crits, connecting with both the ball and cleaver can still kill a light class if they don’t stop the bleeding.

[@JetToo-gl4xs]

Bleed scout

[@iwiffitthitotonacc4673]

Flava

[@JetToo-gl4xs]

@@iwiffitthitotonacc4673 yummy

[@Dr.looksmaxxer]

Glad im using this combo for long and i will never not use it

[@sensibledog09]

I think the biggest reason people are calling it bad is because of scout as a whole,he doesn't use his melee much and good scout players know that,so most players will prioritize weapons with utility capabilities like the atomizer giving scout a triple jump and the Boston basher helping meds build uber,the wrap assassin is probably overshadowed by scout being a class that doesn't really use his melee as an offensive weapon but rather as a utility weapon,

[@griss295]

the boston basher also gives you a third or even forth jump if you have nearby health packs, a medic friend or are high on ketamine

[@lucky_dice_bitch9810]

@@griss295 wait scout isent always on ketamine? like he drinks bonk which is 33% toxic shit and he drinks crit o cola which is bonk+sniper piss and he's ok throwing cum on his dad not to forget that the health packs proable are 60% ketamine.

[@J4hk2]

...but it's a ranged attack.

[@charlsondemong4922]

@@J4hk2 That's not the point. The comment is about how most Scout mains use their melee as a utility tool than an actual offensive weapon. Besides, the pistol is also a ranged weapon.

[@J4hk2]

@@charlsondemong4922 But the logic behind the reason is clearly invalidated by it being ranged. Not to mention it does more damage at long range than pistol while not actually occupying your pistol slot so you can use both or switch out pistol for something and still have range capability.

[@thatguy6222]

The wrap assassin back in the day had the same recharge time as the sandman, which was about 15 seconds iirc, meaning even less reason to use it. Now, with the rng damage buff, 25% faster recharge, and even the sandman itself getting a shorter charge which ALSO affects the wrap assassin. It's wayyyy better than it was before

[@owosinpan]

Also the crit after being in the air for more than a second

[@weebtrash1400]

"Why the hell would you want to run in with your melee as Scout?" To fish'em Milk+Fish is surprisingly good, people usually just scream in confusion while you creamy fish them

[@defaulttyler1316]

It's fun but not viable against any half decent player.

[@teshinthai2541]

they are more likeley to shot you to death before you even comes into melee range, cause at max you only have 185 hp(125 with overheal)

[@owenblount7334]

@@teshinthai2541 flank it’s literally scout

[@shadedsheep4192]

@@chairuptop Please never repeat that word again

[@Rum0r]

any competent player can deal with that. just because a gimmick can work doesn't always mean it's viable. fists of steel+steak can get some kills but it doesn't make steak good.

[@Tneconni]

I greatly enjoy the "In defense of X" series, thanks for another entry in it Mr. Fish man.

[@QuillandInk]

Agreed! Seeing him look at underrated weapons is really enjoyable!

[@turtley8581]

In defense of the Scottish Resistance is my favorite video he's made, great series

[@remix2593]

I believe he said in his community tab that he plans on doing "in defense of the Ambassador" sometime in the future, so there's that aswell

[@Jessie_Helms]

“Even _he_ doesn’t take his opinion seriously! (Except when he does)” Lol, that one made me laugh

[@zesnowpea6347]

@@BV1983-s8s it’s here if you want more bleed, or want bleed + pistol Edit: also as a fellow commenter states below this comment, the guillotine and wrap assassin bleed stack

[@defaulttyler1316]

@@BV1983-s8s If you want to give up one of the best items in the game mad milk. Or the very good pistols. Comparing melee to secondaries doesn't make sense.

[@mjsugod1385]

@@BV1983-s8s and sacrifice Mad Milk in the process?

[@theweedeater1842]

@@BV1983-s8s if you still unironically have mlg glasses in your pfp in 2022, your opnion does not matter

[@Spacebugg]

Who would win? A very detailed video thats 13 minutes and 47 seconds long Or @@BV1983-s8s's opinion

[@QueeQuey]

This is a pattern I've seen for a while, but the Wrap Assassin is the 2nd (or third) best melee for scout. There's a reason why flank scouts in 6s use it when they're not using the Basher (all the reasons you listed lol). If you're in casual, the best melee is the Atomizer with the second being the Wrap Assassin (same for Highlander). If you're in 6s, the best is the Basher (uber building) and the second is this (especially in 5CP) or the Atomizer. There are quite a few good weapons in TF2 that casual players seem to think are garbage, when they're actually good, but mostly just because they exist in the shadow of another stronger (or more widely used) weapon.

[@donaldmacisaac8479]

The atomiser is banned in 6’s isnt it?

[@tarquinioprisco8459]

@@donaldmacisaac8479 was about to comment that

[@a_person_1596]

@@donaldmacisaac8479 Yeah. If it wasn't then most scouts would use the Atomizer over the Basher.

[@jacobcostillas473]

@@donaldmacisaac8479 its actually unbanned now, it was banned before be it used to damaged you when you triple jumped making it a more useful boston basher, its now a mobility tool these days

[@QueeQuey]

@@donaldmacisaac8479 The atomizer is not banned. Gonna copy+paste this to the others that ask as well.

[@dragonslayer7724]

When you said "You lose out on building Uber with the Boston Basher" I realized I should point out the fact that you CAN self-damage yourself with the Wrap Assassin (even if it isn't much). Also, now I feel vindicated in completing a Specialized Killstreak WA Kit.

[@teshinthai2541]

yes, you can self damage with wrap assassin, but 10-15 self damage per 7.5 seconds wont help build uber

[@dragonslayer7724]

@@teshinthai2541 But self-damage is possible

[@teshinthai2541]

@@dragonslayer7724 ah, yes the 10-15 self damage that is really useful to uber building/damage boosting

[@dragonslayer7724]

@@teshinthai2541 I guess it's more a thing to watch out for than actually helping

[@YORCHspartan117]

8:12 this is even funnier when you take into account that the cleaver is banned on comp 6s while the wrap assasin isnt, due being a weaker, less spammable version of the cleaver

[@Rappii318]

I’d imagine that if the cleaver wasn’t banned,the combo would be fucking everywhere

[@jacobcostillas473]

@@Rappii318 just look at highlander, its literally the meta there

[@keithbrannon251]

Wow, I kinda hate comp games for this reason of constantly deleting things from games, but the fact that my favorite scout weapon is still there brings me sadistic joy.

[@zepic3895]

@@keithbrannon251 it's the sad consequence of comp tf2 being fundamentaly different from pubs That doesn't mean it's a bad mode, far from it, is just that obviously using a weapon designed with 24 players in mind in a mode with only 12 or 18 players is gonna make them super busted. And even then, it's not like the comp community WANTS to ban weapons, in an ideal world every weapon that isn't busted on a technical level would be allowed, but I don't want to get into competitive balancing discussion as that's a touchy subject that Fish has already talked about pretty nicely

[@santi-37919]

I love the ominous Scout standing at 11:46

[@marisakirisame1st]

average 2fort corner

[@D_BeepBoop]

I'm surprised you didn't mention how the bauble also stuffs invis ( and I think the dead ringer if it's the bauble that triggers the dead ringer and not the bleed ) because of the dust that surrounds the spy on a hit. I've definitely ruined a lot spy's getaways just because of that, and that's what also makes it a very strong weapon

[@smickothesmickest]

To be fair, you can do the same with the Boston Basher. But still with the Wrap Assassin is easier to do so still fuck spies

[@kirbyfreakyt4695]

Bleed is kind of a weak effect on spies... but it still EXISTS.

[@smickothesmickest]

@@kirbyfreakyt4695 Tribalmans Shiv: What? No. No! Its totally working against spies bleed is so useful! Right?

[@Duothimir]

@@kirbyfreakyt4695 Wrap Assassin's bauble has a small area of effect and is a ranged weapon, so you don't even need to get close or land a direct hit

[@kirbyfreakyt4695]

@@smickothesmickest Right? Southern hospitality: R-right...?

[@timecrokba4142]

3:40 A quick note that this screen/the commentary is wrong. It has a damage penalty of 65%, NOT 35%. I get how you could mess that up, since the damage penalty leads to The Wrap Assassin dealing 35% of the bat's damage. It doesn't really matter since you shouldn't be swinging the wrapping paper anyways, but its just a quick nitpick since it bugged me.

[@turtley8581]

probably not what you mean, but he probably *knew* that, just misspoke

[@Nightwing22444]

The way it is listed on the weapon is wrong. It isn't saying -35% damage, it is saying 35% damage, so -65% damage.

[@timecrokba4142]

@@turtley8581 Yeah, he did probably does know, just messed it up somewhere in the scripting/editing process.

[@damnation4562]

What nightwing said, he's just saying what % of the stock bat damage the wrapper does on hit

[@Keventor]

@@damnation4562 "It deals minus 35% base damage" -fishstickonastick. So no. He is not saying g what % off stock it deals.

[@guy8829]

"Balls" 3:13 4:30 5:20 6:33 7:10 9:19 9:27 10:06 10:18 11:12 11:23 12:24

[@NoThisIsWeber]

Ball

[@anza3007]

Thank you

[@drlarrymitchell]

I love my ball

[@AtomizerBaT]

The Wrap Assassin is a nostalgic unlock for me. I remember it being my first Melee unlock for Scout when I was 13. I caught on quick that Scout wasn't very strong at long ranges, so I'd always use it. I had a combo with the Mad Milk I called the "Christmas Vampire" where I'd gain back about a third of my health or so using the Milk + Ball.

[@amishane24]

Oh my lord, I used to do that too..! I called it the Christmas Vampire as well.

[@chicoscience502]

nice pfp lol

[@AtomizerBaT]

@@chicoscience502 The meeting of the Gigachads

[@ThatGuyLachlan]

Here’s the 411 folks, say some Sniper is dissing your fly-Med, just give ‘em one of these: *crits bauble*

[@cosmicsae]

your epix

[@z.i.p.w9467]

Cool i found this comment

[@EmberTheFlareon3579]

*Follows up with 3 scattergun shots, 2 to kill due to the sniper's ping and one more just to shoot the ragdoll*

[@theproblemmustbeinyourpant5910]

I’m in love with the mad milk, wrap assassin combo. “Life-steal” in tf2 is always fun

[@joanaguayoplanell4912]

Will definitely give it a shot with the BFB

[@JazzKazoo0930]

That actually sounds really fun. I'll have to try that

[@Tofu501st]

Finally people are starting to realize this is a very good item. I think most people see the "-65% damage penalty" and immediately label it as trash despite the fact that you're never supposed to hit anyone with it in the first place.

[@notalive5479]

I would argue that even a new player would realize that Scout's melee is trash. More than likely, the people who label the Wrap Assassin as trash don't realize how much of a difference the weapon makes. Doubly so if they aren't good at the game, since they'll usually miss, and when they actually hit all they see is a 20. They don't see the bleed, they don't see the difference it made, all they see is that number and think "trash". They want to see big numbers because they don't need a deep understanding of the game to understand that, and the Wrap Assassin doesn't do that.

[@thepumpkindoctor]

2:56 in Soundsmith's defense that video was before jungle inferno.

[@WolfyTheDark]

Now that the maps have been fixed and I can freely use the Wrap Assassin everywhere, it's become one of my favorite melees again. It's a guaranteed +50 damage on a target if you hit them with the one quick-replenishing projectile, and it's really easy to land in my opinion. One meatshot and that bauble kills most classes, maybe needing one wrapping paper hit if it's a close quarters battle. And let's all be real, they destroyed the Sandman and it is now useless. And the Sandman + Cleaver combo was very powerful but easy to nerf by decreasing the stun ability of the Sandman, not completely removing it.

[@maestrofeli4259]

the thing is: how can you reduce literally taking your weapons away? reducing your aim? making you shoot slower? I'm not sure what they should have done.

[@WolfyTheDark]

@@maestrofeli4259 I think they should have certainly at least reduced the time it stuns and heightened the distance/hit registration required to ensure that stun. But let's be real, Moon Shots were amazing, even though they do leave you stunned for too long.

[@catke590]

@@maestrofeli4259 Maybe something like the tranquilizer from TF2 Classic but shorter

[@42carlos]

Honestly I think the Wrap Assassin could even use a nerf, but that's a part of a larger issue of stock melees being shit. As for the Sandman, maybe make it reduce the hit enemy's firing and reload speed? I think that's a good advantage in fights that isn't too frustrating to get hit by.

[@maestrofeli4259]

@@catke590 maybe

[@unendingLevels]

Honestly I really enjoy your "In Defense" series, and it's probably my favourite part of your content. It's just as if not more interesting than Bad Weapon Academy, an multitudes more applicable to other media like you started with the Doom Eternal episode in BWA. It can easily be applied to other game's balance, games as a whole, shows/movies, characters, and sky is the limit. It's a broader subject with a name and formula that can adapt easily. I really hope to see it more in the future, especially spreading into other interests of yours

[@thisbox]

0:00 Sponsor 1:17 Intro 3:36 Stats 4:34 Bauble 5:23 Benefits of being considered Melee Damage 6:10 The Hidden Critical Damage Advantage 6:31 Benefit of being Melee (cont.) 6:49 What it adds up to 8:10 To Cleaver Fans 8:35 Cost of Melee ain't anything 10:15 When not to Assassinate and Recap 10:48 Why is it considered Bad? 12:25 Foreshadowing and Outro 13:19 Bonus

[@JessicaMorgani]

Why?

[@owen6830]

thanks

[@maestrofeli4259]

@@JessicaMorgani usually fish puts timestamps himself but today he forgot I guess

[@AzuriteCoast]

11:45 Creepy scout moment

[@thedecentgamer7818]

add the timestamp for him hitting himself in the balls

[@jafsrob]

its ranged bleed. on a melee weapon. on a class who doesnt have a lot of range. no shit its good.

[@Acidicheartburn]

Seriously, I don't understand how people can't see this. It's free extra ranged damage as long as you hit the ball. It's so spammable you can basically toss it at whichever enemy you choose to fight, giving you an added edge for zero downside. Even if you miss you haven't lost much except a very small amount of time you could have been shooting your shotgun or pistol.

[@VanessaMagick]

I have literally never heard anyone, ever, say the Wrap Assassin is anything less than top tier. Some people say that the Boston Basher is better (probably because they see it used in 6s and assume it must be the best?) but I don't see it.

[@FrogInShorts]

@@Acidicheartburn As scout you don't want to shoot enemies until you close the distance anyways since you will trade alerting the enemy and getting the jump on them for like 15 damage with your pistol or scattergun which is not worth it. The baubles travel time negates this as by the time they react to the bauble you are already right behind them and pumping them full. So saying the wrap assassin has a downside of taking time before a fight to get damage in really doesn't even apply! I really love this weapon!

[@Killerbee4712]

The thing is, being the cheeky flanking class scout is, there are just several more useful utilities that other bats provide (maybe not the bat lol). Atomizer allows you to go for riskier sniper picks/out maneuver a heavy. Sandman allows you to better duel other flanking classes or high mobility classes. The boston basher for christ sake can get ubers out lol. The fan is a very good utility in MVM (ok maybe the assassin is better than the fan). Regardless, there are so many more things you can do with other bats that award more playstyles, whereas the wrap assassin is just... kinda annoying. Scouts can twoshot/three shot 90% of the classes in tf2 by very quickly unloading his scattergun, so that 10 second delay slow damage buildup just isnt as effective when entire duels/fights dont even last as long. Its not a bad bat, but its also not as gamechanging than some of scout's other melees.

[@jafsrob]

@@Killerbee4712 and the wrap assasin has ranged bleed. ill take ranged bleed please.

[@victorphillips9850]

i always thought that the wrap assassin was a pretty much a strait upgrade, however now that i know it has guaranteed crits it makes it far better!

[@tdono3743]

This is genuinely what I've been thinking for so long! I've seen so much shit thrown at the wrap assassin and for what? less melee damage for an already useless slot for scout? The only KZbinr (besides you) I've seen give it the love it deserves is Brick lol

[@justinbarton717]

It's exactly what fish points out, for years everyone based their opinion of every item/cosmetic on what soundsmith has said. It's the same reason why people thought the amby was somehow bad after jungle inferno.

[@tamarin0814]

Uncle Dane also called it out in his direct upgrade slide in his stock wrench video

[@matchanavi]

Zesty Jesus also rated it very high, even above the Basher since it has more general use

[@sparkling925]

@@justinbarton717 so many people have bad opinions because of youtubers like soundsmith and uncle dane, especially uncle dane

[@toxicscope511]

Thank God I'm not that involved in this community, I never even thought of the possibility of this weapon being bad I love it

[@scantyer]

some people are still living in 2015 when the wrap assassin was a vastly inferior sandman.

[@appelofdoom8211]

Even back then it was still pretty decent unless you were playing on a bugged map

[@iamthemouse4483]

*Cough* Acetheocarinamaker *cough*

[@michaellyga4726]

You can’t blame us, Jungle Inferno aside, valve hasn’t truly cared since 2015

[@jaletemur6680]

all of us are lad all of us are

[@BridgitteBaker]

ive been a stan of the wrapped assassin for years. A class thats already loaded up with so much close range damage a mele with some ranged damage to harass or finish off running enemies has always been fun to me

[@themonkeyman2910]

So, I want to know if these “In Defense of” videos are gonna become a series like BWA, though not to the same extent. If so, which weapon do you think you’ll want to do next?

[@Rappii318]

I think the next 2 he’s planning on are The Ambassdor and The Pain Train

[@perhapsYoYo]

@@Rappii318 pretty sure he's not going to do the ambassador

[@nicholasho1595]

@@perhapsYoYo it's an in defense of the amby and pain train, not bwa.

[@Toons595]

@@perhapsYoYo I thought he said he'll do it

[@Calvin_Coolage]

I hope he does one on the Air Strike. The Air Strike can be a phenomenal rolling weapon even without the BASE Jumper.

[@rhyperiorhunter7339]

well to be fair the weapon stereotypes video on scout came out before the sandman got nerfed

[@theofroisgomes6457]

as a new player, the wrap assassin was the scout meelle that i wanted, and i still use the same one i used when i first got it, and since then it has become one of my favorite meeles along with the homewrecker, the jag and the eureka effect, an i was always really mad when youtubers said it was bad, seeing someone bring attention to how good it is is almost a dream come true

[@Clepston]

Soundsmith complaining about how “bad” the wrap assassin is while trying to hit someone with the tube is so funny to me. Like yeah no shit that’s not gonna do much- that’s not what it’s for

[@NRVNQSRR]

exactly, scout is a close-midranged class which relies on big damage meatshots. not fucking whacking your enemy to DEATH WITH YOUR 3 DAMAGE MELEE. EVEN FUCKING STOCK BAT YOU WILL GET OUTDAMAGED BY A MEDIC USING A BLUTSAUGER.

[@cardboardtoaster2169]

The wrap assassin is basically a constant pistol. It weakens the enemy so You can even use the scattergun to kill almost anything in a decent distance

[@fireboltchamploo7620]

"You could not live with the Sandman after it was nerfed. And where did that bring you? Back to me." - The Wrap Assassin, probably.

[@taxevasion6309]

I seriously never knew people thought the weapon was that bad and I can't understand why. Hitting a ball deals more damage than a hit from the stock bat and you can do it at a range where Scout is normally lacking, even giving incentive to do so with the crit thing (which I didn't know about either why does this game have so many unlisted stats). I barely see any serious player actually try using a regular melee attack with Scout except maybe with the Boston Basher so why would it matter with the Wrap Assassin. Even before the bug was patched it still was one of my main melee options up there with the Atomizer. It's pretty much a free upside since the downsides of having slower access to a melee attack or having a weaker one is meaningless on a class with 6 shotgun shots more than capable of dodging or running out and in again while reloading one more if needed.

[@DBArtsCreators]

Stats in the game are unlisted so players have things to discover, learn & master from playing the game. Unfortunately, some of these things are hidden too well.

[@TacticalGlizzy]

So glad someone finally gave this weapon the attention it deserves. By far my favorite "melee" weapon for Scout.

[@mysitcowl4574]

I've always used this melee for scout and I don't know why people dislike it so much. It's a melee weapon that can shoot a bleeding projectile, and recharges relatively quickly. What is there to explain?

[@themultiversalasbestosdeal7771]

the big youtubers dislike bleed because it's annoying and they spread misinformation so they don't get pestered by 3 scouts with long range bleed

[@Lh0000]

@@themultiversalasbestosdeal7771 it’s more that all the videos regarding the wrap assassin are massively outdated, they came out before it’s buffs and the sandman’s nerfs, back then it genuinely WAS a bad pick, like how the backscatter currently is (as of the time of posting) there was just better options that could fill the same niche.

[@masterawn]

really, before jungle inferno it was just a worse sandman, but now sandman is terrible and never worth using outside of MVM, but for some reason people wont change their minds about it? a lot of big youtubers before j.i. said it sucked for good reason, but now its outdated and most of the community still takes their outdated info as current day fact

[@spiceforspice3461]

The sandman used to be OP and overshadowed the wrap assassin. Now that the sandman is basically worthless, people still have their opinion on the wrap assassin colored by the past.

[@nikodemruta7686]

"the community seems to think the wrap assassin is garbage" my wrap assassin enjoying ass: "news to me"

[@drpepperkingcom]

Tbh, ever since you first mentioned this thing (can't remember when though), I've been using it on every Scout loadout. Figured "why not try it out?". And I've loved it ever since, along with the Scottish Resistance. So thank you Fish, thank you for paying attention to the Wrap Assassin, along with every other weapon you talk about.

[@jaxondabac8808]

I got into this melee after seeing the ranged flava gimmick and I've never gone back. Free bleeding from any range in the melee slot is very useful.

[@crazyamphibian]

i think it would be an interesting video series to go over weapons deemed "bad" that aren't actually bad.

[@nicholasho1595]

In Defense of the Scottish Resistance already exists, one for the Ambassador is already planned, and I think one for the Pain Train as well.

[@solaireofastora6173]

There’s already a bunch of them in the channel

[@sn0ipe333]

dragon’s fury, soda popper, pain train(?), Natasha, banana/dalokah, quickie bomb, solemn vow

[@turtley8581]

@@nicholasho1595 hows he gonna make a long and interesting video about the *pain train*? not that its bad by any means but its just so boring

[@aspectofthecat9781]

we NEED it for the enforcer. I'm upset it got a bad weapon academy, someone please explain to fish how good it truly is.

[@crystalpapers6590]

The wrap assassin is such a great counter against the fists of steal because paper beats rock

[@LeafseasonMagbag]

“That’s god telling you you’re supposed to be dead” will somehow ingrain itself in my vocabulary, I know it

[@cinquine1]

In defense of soundsmith's opinion, I'm pretty sure that video came out before the sandman nerf. Back then it was completely overshadowed.

[@kaisercalvin1742]

As I seem to recall Soundsmith mentioning the stun mechanics and new scouts overconfidence with the stuns instead of calling it garbage, I am going to assume this is true.

[@greenhunter473]

Yeah I remember the segment opening with a CinemaSins reference with him saying "Discount Sandman" followed by a ding and a counter. It was definitely before The Sandman got nerfed.

[@astralguardian5930]

Yet now it is probably his most memorable thing because Clockwork Smurf decided to pair it with the Guillotine for being pure nuisance and bleeds.

[@mewmew8932]

@@astralguardian5930 FLAVA FLAVA

[@astralguardian5930]

@@mewmew8932 FLAVA FLAV!!

[@chacedo8993]

Went in the video like "Absolutely no way you can convince me that this thing is worth anything"... but now I'm convinced...

[@reagansido5823]

The reason it's good is pretty simple. The thing most scouts won't do (normal melee attacks) is worse but you get a ranged DOT. (which also stacks with the other ranged DOT scout has) Kind of don't see how it's seen as a bad weapon when it's only downside is for something you wouldn't be doing anyway.

[@Alabenson]

Part of the reason the Wrap Assassin has historically been considered trash is because it was quite a bit worse prior to Tough Break, where it got a number of buffs.

[@monke5866]

Those who say the wrap assassin is bad have never been able to hit a ball and/or didn't know you could fire the ball

[@creatorofcheese]

I have hit a lot of balls indeed (do not take that out of context) but I just dont think a ball that does bleed damage is better than a uber building/min-critting melee. Just my thought.

[@monke5866]

@@creatorofcheese oh well then i guess thats just your preference then. I quite i enjoy the wrap assassin and i find it a bit more enjoyable than the boston basher in a serious setting. Then again, i am the dumbass who runs at people trying to hit them with the boston basher in community servers soo...

[@creatorofcheese]

@@monke5866 Lol welp. Also you can make yourself taste salt if you shake an lmaginary salt shaker over your mouth. Im serious, try it.

[@smickothesmickest]

Everyone: Wrap Assassin is bad!1!1!1 Reality: Wrap Assassin is the third best weapon for scout and in some situations the second best.

[@creatorofcheese]

@@smickothesmickest melee or primary + secondary included?

[@TheSixerFixer]

Ahhh. The Bleed Scout's Boxwrapping baton of Bad Melee Damage but Bombastic Bleed at Brilliant Range.

[@mov7526]

Seeing the Caber Knight charging into the 2 poor soul at 4:50 is glorious

[@game69gamergaminginagame]

😢por sold

[@cakeywick]

Soda Popper + Cleaver + tube of paper = My Main Force o' Nature + Cleaver + tube of paper = Making the second shot actually do damage Shortstop + Cleaver + tube of paper = P E S T E R E R O F B L E E D

[@RiffSilverthe1andonly]

Man you are a god, not only did you destory a streotype on my favorite scout melee but you hit yourself int he balls for it.

[@themonkeyman2910]

He a man of commitment

[@dutchdutchman3633]

He did it twice

[@RiffSilverthe1andonly]

@@dutchdutchman3633 Yep

[@UsingGorillaLogic]

I think it is the best of the lesser melees since the atomizer and basher are too good to pass up. It is juuuust slightly less useful. I do think it is the best option in a crowded payload up since it lets you safely do some damage.

[@sheenfromtf2]

the basher is only good for uber building the wrap assassin is just the basher but as a projectile

[@UsingGorillaLogic]

@@sheenfromtf2 Well yeah why use melee for anything but utility.

[@Acidicheartburn]

@@UsingGorillaLogic Because you can use the Wrap Assassin? You've missed the point of this video entirely.

[@spiceforspice3461]

@@UsingGorillaLogic If you already have another scout on your team with the basher (assuming comp because why would you use the basher in casual), then it's actually worth using depending on the map, since you might benefit more from the ball than you would an extra jump. You see competitive scouts run all three for a reason.

[@UsingGorillaLogic]

@@spiceforspice3461 I guess that just makes sense I am just a jump addict.

[@teleportedcarbs3905]

I've been using this thing ever since I got it. A long range option on scout is nice, and there's literally no reason to ever switch to your melee as a scout for damage alone, as reloading your scattergun is only slightly longer than pulling out your melee. So there's basically no downside, and it deals 15 damage + bleed for 5 seconds at range. How did people ever think this was bad?

[@kylelord_8573]

I never understood people hating on the wrap assassin post sandman nerf. Great video

[@Mario4days]

"Thank god it's not the Sandman episode" that is an absolutely godlike quote... i fell out of my chair, i found it that funny lmao

[@chrisbelair5916]

6:40 paper covers rock!!!!

[@hmmm2359]

A really cool part about the wrap assassin is the little white cloud that appears when you hit someone with the bauble. Since it follows people around, you can use it to track down a dead ringer spy.

[@psy-fi64]

Yet another reason not to use the Dead Ringer on any map other than Gold Rush or Voodoo

[@DuskPirateStar]

It's bad because you can't festivize it.

[@kylepangilinan9075]

Its pre-festivized by the power of wrapping paper

[@monke5866]

Damn thats a good point

[@blazingwaters7469]

I mean technically it is festivized with the whole Christmas wrapping paper thing... but it'd be funny if Valve just added lights on top of that

[@themonkeyman2910]

@@blazingwaters7469 I mean, let’s be honest. That sounds like a Valve thing to do.

[@jasminesmallf]

Whoever came up with the BabyFace/Cleaver/Wrap Assasin combo likely enjoys the scorch shot.

[@psy-fi64]

I don't really see what's wrong with the combo. I mean, yeah, it's not great, but that's just because the BFB sucks, not because the loadout itself is bad. I'd say it's the best option to pair with the BFB, or maybe substitute the cleaver with the Winger.

[@TKsh1]

The Wrap Assassin basically makes an "useless" weapon slot viable (kinda like Crusader's Crossbow does to Medic). I like to pair it with a pistol, especially the broken good Pretty Boy's Pocket Pistol.

[@Valfezant]

Nothing beats randomly throwing a Wrap Assassin bauble into a group of enemies and somehow killing some unfortunate soul, it's incredibly funny to me. Been using it in casual despite my love for the Mackarel for that very reason. Not to mention, Scout's gameplay variety mainly comes from movement and the way you approach the various situations you'll find yourself in, not really from the weapons themselves, so messing around with a medium-range projectile (and a rather versatile bleed effect) among all those close-range shots is pretty damn fun

[@dillonmccarthy239]

In my opinion, the wrap assassin is the better boston basher. As you get free ranged bleed from your melee slot and if you miss you don't take your own damage and bleed. The wrap assassin isn't made for direct combat, but for mid to long range fights or to weaken the enemy

[@That3th3]

11:46 lets not ignore him coming across the most menacing scout I've ever seen

[@ignultimate9162]

I've paired it up with the gulliotine and it's satisfying to see classes just bleed out and die with the combo.

[@ianfinrir8724]

Soundsmith: Hates the Wrap Assassin. Also Soundsmith: Makes four videos were he exclusively uses the Wrap Assassin.

[@RandomFurry07]

It's a gimmick thing

[@Qualcuno_a_Caso]

Hands down my favourite scout melee. I didn't even know people thought it was bad

[@poopyjoe7435]

People automatically format their opinions to their favorite youtuber (soundsmith, lazy purple, etc.)

[@brayburell6814]

@@poopyjoe7435 the soundsmith thing happened when it was overshadowed by sandman

[@kidunicorn1352]

My favorite thing with the wrap assasin is bonking friendlies. It doesn do enough damage to piss them off, while still hearing that sweet sweet sound

[@hexagonalchaos]

the wrap assassin was probably my first unlock, and it's also almost a direct upgrade. you're unlikely to use your melee for damage as scout anyway, but the wrap assassin gives you free damage over time at a range as long as you can hit the projectile. the fan o' war is also good.

[@LoneWolf-kw3ol]

id argue the Wrap Assassin is equal to the gulliotine because the Ornament has a MUCH flatter arc and seems to fly faster. this, combined with the added bonus of getting to carry a pistol, makes the Wrap at least A tier.

[@dumlo4993]

This video makes me so happy because when I discovered this weapon like a year ago I bacicly haven’t switch off the melee because my favorite scout secondary is the giutine and I love the combo because if I miss both I get the ball back instantly or if I hit one I have a free 50-100 damage when I engage the enemy and if I hit both I just go find a new target because I know they are dead

[@emperormoisture218]

Finally. I genuine love using this thing, and its so satisfying to see a video on it. Your Baby Faces Blaster video made me start using this thing and I loved it enough to get a strange one.

[@ninyaninjabrifsanovichthes45]

11:04 He literally said in the beginning of every Stereotypes video not to take his words as gospel. The fact that people STILL don't get the message lol

[@mainaccount763]

The video was before the sandman nerf, I think

[@macaroniisnice]

"Surfshark is a VPN named after a fish, and I happen to be named after a fish myself" with the fucking scientist himself in the background, that had to be the best sponsor intro I've seen yet

[@wahbucket501]

As someone who wasn’t around to play the game during the Sandman + Cleaver overrule, I’ve never even heard of people thinking this thing was bad. it’s always been my go to for scout. I don’t really care about uberfarming and atomizer feels too comital due to its upside only being active while it’s equipped. Wrap Assassin has always just felt like a natural pick to me. Also it’s vaguely Christmas themed and that’s easily the best holiday so that just makes me like it more. Screw using the Candy Cane though. I can hardly dodge rockets as is, I don’t need to be dying from a little splash

[@Tocaric2]

I think an underrated part of the WA is that is replaces the pistol's role of "buttering up or finishing off targets" and opens the secondary up for a utility. Not as well, mind you, but still pretty good imo.

[@metroidtaimer]

Well now I don’t feel as bad for owning a Professional Killstreak Collector’s Wrap Assassin lol.

[@lightfizzy1232]

Hey this video *has* flown under the radar so be proud I suppose

[@aqgpandemic5406]

Seriously preach how good this thing is!! I’ve been using it for years to the point where it’s basically my go to Scout melee weapon

[@Omeg1]

I was skipping the sponsor ship and I heard "I am named after a fish-covered in blood-right in your home"

[@zeebeeplayz]

Why I like the wrap assassin: -Takes up melee slot so you can use something like mad milk to capitalize off the bleed. -Recharges slower than the guillotine making it more balanced -Uaable as a, if not very weak, last resort melee -Weak hits allow you to hit hoovies with it without them feeling threatened. -Bleed softens up enemies allowing you to kill them with your primary or even the weak melee -Guaranteed snipe crits reward accuracy!

[@jacklayne8137]

Do people not realize that when soundsmith made that video, jungle inferno hadnt even came out yet? Most of those stereotype vids are outdated.

[@jafsrob]

It’s the only scout melee I use.

[@macaroniisnice]

No no no no no don't teach them this is good I don't want to get the bleed effect every 2 seconds

[@charmaster2458]

Thank you, this weapon always seems to be one of the most underrated melee weapons, like The Sun on a Stick, Stock Knife and The Direct Hit

[@Lh0000]

Stock knife and direct hit i can see, being genuinely good, but sun on a stick is to reliant on outside sources for its bonus, (also it’s a scout melee weapon if your trying to hit somebody with it your either really desperate, or meming)

[@dutchdutchman3633]

@@Lh0000 at least its concistent against (and with )pyro Plus if u dont want to use milk or pocket pistol it can save Ur butt Less melee damage does not matter

[@Lh0000]

@@dutchdutchman3633 yeah but it’s not even really good against pyro, if a pyro is that close to you with your melee out, your dead regardless and afterburn is at most a mild inconvenience at range and as the most mobile class in the game who’s flare shoting you? And since melee damage is irrelevant it’s other upside is not only massively situational but also useless anyway, sure you COULD melee burning players with a pybro,.. OR you could 2 shot most classes with a scattergun at the same range. It’s still bad.

[@dutchdutchman3633]

@@Lh0000 Just like fsoas says (and you)if that happens its the games way of saying You are supposed to be dead Unless you use the sodapopper mad milk and sunonastick But otherwise unless the pyro goes of a Cliff near a healthpak and u Grab it there is nothing to do other than to take the pyro with u

[@dutchdutchman3633]

@@Lh0000 that last one is better than scattershot because the hitbox is Just bigger and also u attack faster than with scattershot u deal even more dps with the sunonastick against sombody on fire than if u hit em with a meatshot Altough yes i acknowledge that its cituational but is more useful than it seems Plus it hates the sc@rch!t

[@allythefoxie]

11:47 what the scout doin also the wrap assassin is easily my favorite scout weapon so far... im surprised people used to think it was bad

[@unitedfederation262]

I didn’t even know the stigma existed I thought everyone used the wrap assassin But I guess not

[@simonnachreiner8380]

Wrapper also works well with the milk. You get essentially a free heal over time effect without having to take any risks. Running away? Hit both and you’ve effectively grabbed a health kit. Going for a kill? Hit a secondary target and you don’t have to worry about chip damage. Medics don’t exist in pubs and a third jump is a navigational tool at best, literally why not.

[@jalk12]

"If you're like me and have difficulty hitting your balls" -Fish 2022

[@Trumpeter.Pratt2]

If the Wrap assassin is so good then why isn't there a Wrap assassin 2 Mr fish? If that's even your real name smh

[@exploertm8738]

11:00 - its even funnier considering that he made ranged flava video about how to abuse the hell out of wrap assassin and clever and people still think its bad weapon.

[@eliasdex1236]

12:11 Now you must be called "Cardboard Stick On A Stick" P.S: Hope your *balls* get better soon. Although with the 25% faster recharge rate they must be fine.

[@themonkeyman2910]

That was a good one.

[@PaperFlare]

What's important about the wrap assassin is the fact it doesn't have a noticeable downside. The candy cane should be a shoe-in for best scout melee. More medkit healing on the premier roaming class is incredible. But the explosive weakness is such a detriment it kills the item. Even during sandman's hayday, the health penalty was a legitimate downside that caused scouts to die in situations they normally wouldn't. Personally, I find the atomizer a bit too much of a gimmick, and while I like the Boston basher medic feeding, it too suffers from the fact that it's only good when...feeding a medic. Once you're out doing scout things, it's pointless. Wrap assassin is always viable and doesn't punish you for taking it. Unless you're going for something specific (taking one of those unintended atomizer short cuts or feeding a medic for a push), the wrap assassin should be your default pick in all other situations.

[@incompetencelogistics8924]

the fan of war is actually really good too, having permanent mini crits until you or the target dies is really strong, plus no damage falloff. It renders the backscatter entirely useless, too

[@jacobcostillas473]

5:28 why is the demoknights sword big?