[TF2] Set Synergy: Offence Classes

[@stitchfinger7678]

The alliteration was real impressive Gotta appreciate when someone makes life way harder just for production value.

[@moistmarsupial3528]

I find it kind of distracting tbh. The joke has been done before by array and frankly it doesn't add anything to what would otherwise be a pretty interesting and informative video

[@falloutguy4700]

@@moistmarsupial3528 Agreed, I started skipping them after a bit, even if it was just a few seconds. It's cute, but doesn't really add anything.

[@refusingtoconform]

​@@moistmarsupial3528 I've made my own comment echoing this sentiment but on with a slightly different tact. SpaceGuy clear has the writing chops to make engaging content that's fun to watch so it feels like his alliteration segments might be a holdover from his days as a smaller KZbinr or maybe he personally enjoys writing them. If they continue, I just hope he takes the time to make them flow better with the rest of the script rather than feeling like an indulgent pitstop.

[@killerkirby366]

@@refusingtoconform they flow really good

[@OldandAbandonedHarcorte]

Why does he like allteration so much? I know it's satisfying but goddamn.

[@Walker443]

Can’t wait for episode 2, definitely brings back the memories when item sets brought these upgrades/upsides.

[@drillbitz2816]

The hibernating bear is going to be interesting

[@kepler9860]

I remember calling someone a hacker because they had the sniper set

[@isenokami7810]

Looking forward to both episodes, particularly the Saharan Spy set in Episode 3. I don’t have any particular attachment/hate for it, since I joined TF2 well after they took out the set bonuses. It’s just, as a piece of TF2 history, well…I just find it fascinating how the Your Eternal Reward went from fantastic as part of the set, to practically useless once the bonus was removed. Even though I still see enemy Spies use the YER all the time.

[@Walker443]

@@isenokami7810 technically these sets are sorta still in the game, cause now they just leave little grave stones 🪦 if you have a full/particular set, however for the spy his was actually the very first set that was different by now including a taunt set that was sorta unusual.

[@isenokami7810]

@@Walker443 I am aware. But seriously, have you ever seen the graves? Like, ever? No, of course you haven’t. Because once the bonuses were removed, people stopped caring about the full sets. That, and you still need the respective hat for the grave/taunt effect to occur; I guarantee you next to nobody wears the respective hats anymore when there likely just better options these days. Exaggeration aside, it’s at least possible that MAYBE you’ll come across the graves; the sets are mostly still solid loadouts even without the bonuses, and from there you’d just need the hat. No way in hell you’re ever seeing that taunt effect, though, since…I mean, come on. Without the old bonus, the Saharan Spy set is just actively terrible.

[@kooz8279]

I've always enjoyed emassing the item sets for each of the classes. Such intriguing history for each one.

[@isenokami7810]

Saharan Spy Set: exists Your Eternal Reward: amazing/overused Saharan Spy Set: no longer exists Your Eternal Reward: utterly worthless

[@jakemess8704]

You had me the moment I heard the clap from 'Now I Am Become Death', great music choice SpaceGuy

[@tau-5794]

Imagine if the Manmelter could extinguish enemies as well, so you can use it offensively by lighting an enemy, extinguishing them, doing a crit, then finishing them off with your flamethrower or axe.

[@nathanfivecoate5848]

Shoot an enemy to set him on fire, extinguish him for a crit, then shoot him again

[@thunderspark1536]

But then wouldn't if just be the flare gun but with an additional step? You still do crits, just needing to set enemies on fire and extinguish instead of just setting an enemy on fire.

[@tau-5794]

@@thunderspark1536 I mean maybe, but you could also do crits against players who are not on fire. A little extra utility never hurts on an otherwise bad weapon.

[@devdre4491]

It's all fun and games until your friend gets autobalanced and... you know what happens afterwards

[@Raych3lwastaken]

Or just make it Pyro’s short circuit.

[@isenokami7810]

Actually, the head explosion thing Space brought up with the Bison gave me a great idea for how to change it. I mean, revert it to normal first, it needs to work like it used to for my idea to work. From there, though, give it an explode on kill stat: not just the gib effect, but straight up the equivalent of setting off a sticky trap in the enemy’s corpse. Bam. A meme weapon that you can spam into chokes for chip damage like normal, but with the benefit of literally blowing a hole in the enemy push if you happen to kill anyone with it.

[@danielsurvivor1372]

That's... Actually original and interesting idea that doesn't sound too broken... We need this

[@johncronk8867]

Reminds me of that one custom spy knife. It does no damage, but it basically plants a c4 in anyone you backstab. If you actually manage to survive the person you just stuck, you can time your detonation and blow up them and any nearby teammates.

[@isenokami7810]

@@johncronk8867 Ah right, the Inside Jab. Hintshot mentioned that once.

[@kuunt6065]

yeah his fix didnt fix the issue with the bison. it would still take five seconds to do fifty damage, less than melee, just utter garbage still. I think the current bison has better DPS at that range.

[@muddashucka9743]

Something to keep in mind when buffing the Righteous Bison is that it was specifically created to be stronger at taking out fleeing foes.

[@CaptianKatsura]

The Tank Buster was the first item set I ever managed to assemble, and I still use it to this day, even if the Concheror would probably be better than the Backup.

[@isenokami7810]

Fun fact: my Soldier loadout is also the crutch set minus one item, just not the same. Instead of replacing the Conch with the Backup, I replace the Box with stock. I just…I can’t. I can’t even seem to aim the splash damage, let alone the rockets. I need that fourth rocket, I WILL die without it no matter how much I’m healing.

[@EripmavsDYraid]

The Backup is better, in my opinion. It gives an on wearer 20 health, it makes you 100% immune to crits, plus 50% of sentry damage immunity, and 35% for all other damage types. All the conch does is give health regen and speed.

[@manologamerss5801]

@@isenokami7810 Why do you even play soldier enough to care about that fourth rocket if you can't even hit the first three.

[@isenokami7810]

@@manologamerss5801 Honestly I don’t. My main is Medic, with joint second being Engie and Heavy. I’ll pick Solly if nobody else has, but he’s nowhere near as fun to me. Especially not now that I finally understand Demo (not Knight, just Demo) after 1000+ hours in game. Rocketed up from one of my least favorites to one of the most fun when he clicked. And now that he has, let me say this: I only have splash damage issues as Solly. I hit Demo splash just fine.

[@danielsurvivor1372]

@@isenokami7810 Since we're talking here about having crutch set minus one item I'll also say mine. Mine replaces Escape Plan with Disciplinary action while keeping Box n Conch.

[@SeamstarSmokey]

Can’t wait to see how you’d make the Brass Beast/Buffalo Steak/Warrior’s Spirit combo work together. That’ll be a challenging one

[@justafurrywithinternet317]

Apparently it's good in MvM

[@xray8012]

@@justafurrywithinternet317 The Brass Beast is just a minigun like casual/comp Tomislav vs Stock... Except its Brass Beast vs Stock (the Sandvich is good Tank Busting DPS)

[@jollytemplar3670]

14:45 I have to disagree here. The whip is one of the strongest melee weapons in the game solely because of its range. With random crits, you can still potentially one shot 4/9 classes. The item set is still absolute ass though

[@linusdickens4767]

Can't one shot medics

[@jollytemplar3670]

@@linusdickens4767 For some reason at the time I thought a crit did 154 damage rather than 146. I edited the original post

[@Glacier0516]

When episode 2 happens if you’re anything like me the hibernating bear set that will make you want to turn your headphones up to max volume and listen to a 100 gec and Limp Biskit album at the same time as a way to lobotomize yourself so you forget it exists

[@lordpumpkinhead265]

The Hibernating Bear set is three ok weapons that have no synergy together put together. The Brass Beast is amazing if you're taking a defensive hold (or on the payload cart), while the Buffalo Suicide Sandwich and Warrior's Spit reward blindly running at the enemy. The biggest problem would have to be that MASSIVE damage increase penalty while under the effects of the Bitch Sandwich and the why not use your minigun? as they just seem to punish you for doing something that already punishes you to begin with. The easiest way to fix these would be to remove both damage increase penalties and add effects to the side of beef run over by a combine that reward you for actually using your melee. One bonus: health on kill. If you're gonna be running into the entire enemy team with nothing but your guns, you might as well get something out of it. Bonus two: damage reduction. Again, you're running into the enemy team, you need some protection or you're about to annoy yourself and your team by existing. Bonus three: give the Warrior's Spite a speed boost and swing speed boost. You are a HEAVY, you are SLOW. What's to stop literally every class in existence from walking in the opposite direction and opening fire at you? The only reason the speed boost is given to the Warrior's Shit is because if you're gonna be a melee heavy, use the KGB since if you get a kill and things get hairy, you have a small window of crits to use with your minigun, so make use of them.

[@grummdoesstuff2983]

Some stuff that people tend to not know about the shortstop: Instead of 9 pellets in a square, it fires 4 in a tight T shape. It has a 33% faster firing speed It reloads its entire clip at once, giving it the fastest reload-time-to-ammo ratio of any scattergun. It has a 3x longer range than any other scattergun, and since damage fall off is based on the % of range and not actual distance, it actually deals it’s maximum 72 damage from a longer range than the scatterguns can deal their max 102

[@aetu35]

Where does that last information come from? I thought it had longer ranged damage because every pellet had double damage compared to regular pellets (12 vs 6)

[@grummdoesstuff2983]

@@aetu35 nope. Shortstop has the most unlisted stats of any gun in the game. If it had all its actual stats, it would be the longest weapon description.

[@mishaborovko8274]

@@grummdoesstuff2983 Dragon's fury: are you sure about that?

[@grummdoesstuff2983]

@@mishaborovko8274 huh? What do you mean?

[@irpsicologiayeducaciongrup8251]

late, but when it comes to random crits, it follows the logic of pistols: 2 second of crits, enough to empty a clip with each shot doing around 244 damage at point blank

[@kirbypwnedyou]

1:25 The shortstop didn't have increased healing until the July 10th, 2013 patch. In the Mann-conomy update, the update that introduced the Shortstop, it only had a slow target on hit bonus.

[@SpaceGuyOnline]

That's correct however the Slow on Hit didn't actually work, meaning I'm talking about the plain old Shortstop with its 4 pellets and T-Shape spread rather than anything else so I just skipped ahead to when it did work

[@edfreak9001]

to be honest on some level I wouldn't mind Polycount-style game-altering set bonuses if it was more obvious you had them active and they didn't require a cosmetic and even more interestingly if every class had access to some of them, I think the utility of mismatched sets would still shine through often enough that you could give fun little boosts for using specific thematic sets together. Maybe if we ever get a true follow-up worthy of being called Team Fortress 3, this concept can be explored a bit. plus let's be real the only really problematic set was the croc sniper

[@SpaceGuyOnline]

I think in the right hands the Special Delivery could also be an issue. Hilariously even the Medieval Medic has an extremely overkill set bonus of giving medic even more regen. Default is 6, with the Amp it's another 3 so 9 and the set provided another 3(maybe, hard to recall) equaling 12 HP per second.

[@CaptianKatsura]

I can't hate the Croc Sniper because of how much it fucked with hackers. I remember a 2Fort game I played years ago where the enemy team had an aimhacking Sniper that no one was willing to kick, so to deal with him I went Croc Sniper and had our Engineer set up his dispenser on the ramparts by me. The hacker's aimbot refused to let him bodyshot, so with the dispenser keeping me always above 1 HP, he was physically incapable of killing me.

[@Pomodorosan]

The medieval medic set gave +1 regen, and the amputator only gained its +3 regen several months after set bonuses were removed

[@jknifgijdfui]

the modern atomizer is great tho it wont help with combat but mobility is still mobility and it has no downsides cause its a melee for scout so ur missing nothing

[@Recarsonated]

Its good on its own but has little synergy with the set nowadays, it even used to stack with the soda popper’s jumps, kinda sad that many sets and especially this one had their synergy gutted. #1 fan is my favorite set in terms of the weapons i like

[@jknifgijdfui]

@@Recarsonated thats fair

[@ovened-ondiscord]

atomizer gives free minicrits if you jump.

[@g-forcefgt323]

​@@ovened-ondiscord yea, 40 damage mini-crits bc it has a damage penalty so its only slightly better than stock damage wise... why would you try to use that?

[@ovened-ondiscord]

still mini-crits and that was 7 months ago 💀💀@@g-forcefgt323

[@Scyzzles]

Shortstop's damage model and tighter spread being more suited for mid-range than the scattergun combined with a fast reload that allows for consistent damage output and more or less makes up for the lack of a pistol makes it easy to stay at a safe distance where it's easier to dodge incoming projectiles, easier to disengage, you take less damage due to falloff and what damage you do take can be healed through the mad milk without having to close in and put yourself in greater danger. The combo still works. The Shortstop is an underrated primary and I''d argue has a playstyle that works much better with the Mad Milk than the all or nothing Scattergun that benefits much more from a pistol to make up for its lack of mid-range damage.

[@j.a.m.m]

Oh, really interesting vid as always! 25:07 I'd say it has more similarities with the Back Scratcher than the Axtinguisher tbh

[@giova2704]

7:28 seeing all your boost disappear from a butterstab made me cry

[@keromora]

An astounding amount of alliteration astonishing even the most astute audiences

[@Davtwan]

The Gas Attendant was my shit back in the day. I got the hat via crafting I believe or sheer chance.

[@Jacob-se1hu]

I think the current Atomizer is fine, it just doesn't fit in with the set anymore. Scout's stock bat is so rarely used that giving it up for being able to juke 100 damage for 10 damage made it a must pick. Now, it's still a pretty good pick if you don't want or need the spam the Wrap Assassin gives, but there are other options that are viable. It's great to have an additional jump with an otherwise stock loadout for that added mobility, but some unlocks don't really pair with the Atomizer, like the Winger or FaN, because they fill a similar niche. Now instead of asking "Do I use the Atomizer or am I going for the funny sandman+cleaver combo or funny fish kills?" you have to ask "Do I need a third jump to get to a good flank? Do I not want to give up a very reliable primary for the FaN knockback jump? Do I not want to give up a very reliable secondary for the Winger jump height? If yes to all of these, Atomizer."

[@himynamewaz7507]

The unique rhymes at the beginning of the sets is just fun. Because of the unique use of lesser-known words

[@wheatthins4.222]

You always come up with the best ideas for series, keep up the great work!

[@Meddling_Mage]

i think this is your best work yet! really enjoying the alliterations and jokes

[@ShockedTaiLung]

Once again he keeps using words with the same first letter and once again I love it

[@CheeseChurger]

Great video! always nice to see someone make a video on old weapon sets. also i saw that engie in the floor at 2:10

[@dino_sores4298]

OMJEE ENGIE JUMPSCARE(GONE WRONG) (I GOT BANNED)

[@CheeseChurger]

@@dino_sores4298 Don't call engineer at 3am (gone wrong) (gone sexual) (he is engihere)

[@Christoff070]

Had to slow the video down to see him, well spotted

[@wisedude1]

Legit best suggestion anyone has had for the third degree ever, well done.

[@Wounded_Asclepius]

Deadbolt music! What a great game, I really should replay it.

[@WafflesAndSauce]

The best part of your videos is the amount of rhymes and puns😂

[@baneofthebread]

I'm not sure i agree with the Atomizer changes, seems more out of a desire to bring back the old version rather than trying to make it work in the set, as in it's current incarnation it's a bit redundant, what with the Soda Popper giving you 5 extra jumps

[@shortbow735]

Loving the deadbolt ost in the background.

[@purplehaze2358]

The shortstop actually does have a little bit of synergy with the mad milk. It incentivizes keeping outside of the effective ranges of most classes, meaning you'll be taking less damage overall and, therefore, making the effect of MM far more effective.

[@louisprice3675]

Can you state everything you can do at the foundation?

[@ng855]

They put gravestones in place of the bonuses they murdered

[@Nighto]

I think the Atomizer is fine as it is right now. I use it a lot and honestly, I've had no problems with it, probably one of Scout's best melees (though, only because he doesn't really have any good ones.) It might not be as good as it used to be but to call it a bad change makes me feel like you haven't used it very much. I don't even think its reasonable to ask it to be changed. Though, admittedly, it does pair awfully in the #1 Fan set.

[@lordpumpkinhead265]

Scout melees are as follows: Wrap Assassin Atomizer Fan-o-War (under extremely niche circumstances) You have literally no reason to use any of his other unremarkable bat reskins, so why bother? The Sandman would be on this list if it still stunned after hitting an enemy with the ball, but since VALVe doesn't like fun, the Sandman falls short of the list.

[@Nighto]

@@lordpumpkinhead265 The sandman is the only direct downgrade. Most of Scout's melees suck, but they're all direct upgrades to stock except the sandman.

[@ItsDatOneGuy]

At this point I watch to hear what alliterations you come up. Great work.

[@Whydidtheychangeittohandlesnow]

The alliteration is impressive

[@kayoh9364]

Hold up. The Shortstop never had the item set bonus and the increased healing from all sources at the same time. The wiki section on the Shortstop's updates is wrong - it doesnt list the Gun Mettle changes (when sets were removed and Shortstop got increased healing), nor when the Shove part was added. Granted, I'm citing old Reddit posts for my information, but I'm pretty sure it lines up with what I remember better than the wiki.

[@SpaceGuyOnline]

Seeing how you got the update wrong by about 7 years and said the item that was part of the set never recieved the set bonus and its own bonuses at the same time, gonna accept my info. Shortstop gave increased healing through all sources The set gave 25 HP

[@noahdukat1968]

If they were to bring this feature back (why) I’d hope they did it for deliberately bad weapon combos or thematic ones. Encourage stranger playstyles and make them semi-viable and make thematic ones either more thematic or better if they also fall under the first category.

[@linusdickens4767]

Can't wait for episode 2

[@angelivanovski7164]

19:35 grandmother moment

[@hankisdank388]

After playing through Left 4 Dead: What if the crit effect had some menacing music to accompany it? Valve already has sound cues for most buff sources at the start, but some recognizable melody could cause you a moment to pause and think before running out the spawn doors to a phlog pyro who finished their mmph before you spawned.

[@philippeleprohon4823]

2:50 Hey, that's Octo Expansion's blender!

[@AstridRuna]

I imagine that a neat fix for the Bison would be increasing the projectile speed, but only when your magazine isn't full. This would give you more consistency at the expense of having to adjust your aim mid fight. It would keep the weapon for spamming, because you keep the weapon's normal projectile speed the norm if you want a full clip, but increase it's effective range and versatility also. I would say 20% 45% 70% for 3 2 and 1 laser in the clip, respectively. Also, if you want to make it OP, if you crouch, the effect is put on reload speed instead. Why? Well, I refuse to answer because I think it would be fun to see. It would give it more of a synergy with rocket launchers that have reduce self-blast damgage, you now needing to reload while crouching with your secondary, meaning you need to stand still longer, which logically gives you more room to read the situation before you commit with a rocket jump. If you like the idea, but want balance, then just decrease the bison's normal relaod speed by something like 10% or 15%, meaning the buff isn't AS powerful either. Remember: you still just have your secondary out while someone is coming at you, while you are crouching randomly. 9/10, it would be better for you to switch to your rocket launcher or reload it while running away. Although, I do think your more faithful rework might be cool also. For the Liberty Launcher, I would like to be able to fire "normal" rockets as well. My reasons are these: Projectile Speed really isn't necessarily an upside. Muscle memory, aim, advanced rocket jumping, bombing, they all are underminded in comparisson. I realize that that's the point of a weapon: create a different set of talants, problems or solutions for the player to explore, but it just makes the weapon uninteresting for both veterans and newer players because skill gained with other rocket launchers doesn't apply to this one - all for having a barely interesting upside. My fix would be this: you now fire a 10% slower-than-stock rocket with the alternative fire mouse key. It still has the same lower damage, even though now you gain the ability to sink rockets from a distance, or while highspeed rocket jumping. It still has it's own skill ceiling and is pretty niche in own right, but its what the liberty launcher needs, slighty what it already does, Usefulness, consistency

[@acid9033]

The bison has low projectiles speed so it can hit multiple time if an enemy runs away

[@TheWarbirdz]

heres my opinions on the item sets. Special Delivery: One of my favorites and funny to use :) Public Enemy: Kinda sucks now. And rarely fun. #1 Fan: One of the best sets to use and well balanced to scouts stock loadout. Tank Buster: Another favorite of mine and Is Insanely powerful. General's Formals: This Set Really Sucks all together. Dr. Grodbot's Victory Pack: A really bad set. But I give mad respect for someone actually using It. Airborne Armaments: One of my personal favorites and still kind of works except for the liberty launcher. Gas Jocky: A very simple and easily one of the best Item sets In the game thanks to both the Degreaser and especially the Power Jack Dr. Grodbot's Moonman Pack: I fucking hate this set and It needs to burn In hell.

[@Lttsumm]

this, this is cool. i have been wondering about stuff like this. and I have a question for you. what is your opinion on bonuses for having full sets equipped returning? i like the idea of actual ingame bonuses being added for having full sets.

[@refusingtoconform]

It'd be nice to see more sets with added synergy but I think we shouldn't see anymore cosmetic requirements. TF2's core gameplay should be intact and all weapon effects should come from the weapons we can see and not from the hats atop their head. Plainly, it'd be nice to see weapon set bonuses return but I think we need to integrate them into the weapons themselves (as they did when they originally removed them) and have the cosmetics be optional to receive the effect. Additionally, if these bonuses are to return we need to clearly label their stats for new and old, returning players so that there isn't confusion about why they're performing better with the same weapon despite any skill difference.

[@Antonluisre]

Single frame engineer apparittion at 2:10

[@taureon_]

engineer jumpscare

[@polarexpresshobo4030]

Love the use of the deadbolt soundtrack. Killer game.

[@DFlaminberry]

If anyone is wondering, the first song played in this video is Now I am Become Death from the Deadbolt OST. Took me a bit to figure out where I knew it from.

[@TheSimpleMan454]

This man (robot? Cyborg? Camcorder with a hat?) Has some seriously stellar alliterative attunement.

[@cindrblok7948]

what if the bison acted like a balanced version of the army of one, where after moving a certain distance at the same speed it stops moving charges up until it looks like the short circuit orb dealing moderate damage to nearby enemies but while doing this damage it cannot charge up and if attacking multiple enemy will down charge, before exploding like the army of one. maybe a 10 second charge up. and it travels half the length of a short Circuit ball

[@doomyboi]

My idea for the mantreads: When under a speed-boosting effect, the mantreads allow you to deal damage and knock back enemies you walk into, while also keeping the ability to deal damage to enemies you fall on. The idea is to allow the soldier to synergize his disciplinary action team buff into a passive attack that his weapon's longer melee reach can capitalize on while also building on the original concept of the mantreads as something that gives you damage for hitting enemies at speed via rocket jumping.

[@lightingchaser]

I heard that Deadbolt song… excellent choice in ost

[@lu7ky]

Lovely video, love the alliteration.

[@Grim0514]

Good video, never thought of a manntreads buff and kinda conisdered them unbuffable but increasing movement speed sounds along with its current stats like a super fun alternative to the gunboats and i wish it was in the game

[@justxander1656]

11:48 katana zero music in a tf2 video? you my good man just earned a sub

[@fractalisomega9517]

The Baby Face Blaster was amazing on release and really made Scout feel like another class, not quite as much as Demoknight but ditching your upward mobility for full on horizontal movement was refreshing and honestly not even broken Great for running to the enemy back lines but with such little firepower compared to Stock you traded damage for hit and run surprise, and you'd get beat by a single engineer setting up a sentry

[@gibbous_silver]

or instead of the homing beam, its a projecile with the shape of the flamethrower cone but single fire

[@tylerjohnson398]

I think it would be interesting to make the bison almost a pistol for soldier. First give the projectile speed a fast and furious gear shift or two to give it proper pistol speed. Second, allow it to penetrate enemies so its not a cringe direct rip-off of a pistol. 12 shots would be immensely powerful, so cut the "clip" (even though it'd still have infinite ammo) down to 6. Finally, 20 damage over high speeds and six shots may actually not be bad... so don't touch it yet. I wonder if this would still be too similar to the current bison or if soldier would even benefit from a pistol. One really stupid idea would be to cut the damage and make it that every bison hit leads to passive "reload" of the cow mangler... idk

[@donaldpaccerelli198]

another thing that could be added is giving it the ability to go through teammates. namely to allow the new bison the ability to avoid one of the pitfalls the current one does, the fact that it's useless in crowded area's where both teams are duking it out as your team eating the shots.

[@VagueCastle649]

@@donaldpaccerelli198 A minor correction: The current bison pierces any player regardless of team. You're thinking of the pompson, the weapon that is actually useless in a crowded area.

[@analysissel]

I wish you had the music you used in the description. Particularly the one during the Mad Milk section.

[@SpaceGuyOnline]

Are you referring to the music that's literally displayed when it starts?

[@analysissel]

@@SpaceGuyOnline I am, because I'm a whopping dumbass and missed it, thank you very much >:T

[@Gnome_Tank]

💀

[@halt1931]

For the record, I believe you could control when the soda popper gave you minicrits, by putting it away and holding out your melee or secondary when hype was almost full, then switching to it when you wanted the minicrits

[@Recarsonated]

I would absolutely LOVE if they added set bonuses (just for the weapons and not the hats) and for the #1 fan set they had the stat “Melee Mini Crits turn into full crits while hype is active” to make the atomizer a market gardener for scout

[@TheDude8008]

The sentences that start mostly with the same letter are awesome, I guess the S was for "speed" in the Baby Face's Blaster set and the L was for "lean" in the Soda Popper set. And the color waving outlines are cool.

[@ironicdivinemandatestan4262]

That's called alliteration when it's it's with consonants, and assonance when it's with vowels.

[@charleschamp9826]

I don't know who came up with this idea, but for a long while now I've heard the idea of pushing the Manmelter even further into the Team Support Role it tries to encourage the player to take. By giving it the ability to clear teammates of Jarate, Mad Milk, perhaps even whatever status the Sandman's Ball causes now, and Marked for Death Status (Provided that was caused by something like an Enemy Scout's Fan-O-War rather than a weapon the Teammate has equipped). Though those last two seem very unlikely if such a change ever was to the weapon.

[@danielsurvivor1372]

Atomiser was nerfed because it's op in comp and makes scout insanely hard to kill. Aka it makes sense to nerf atomiser, plus it's still more useful than winger. Scout had SO many op secondaries(almost all are banned in comp) and also fun n useful. While his melee arsenal is very limited, it's way better to use atomiser for mobility then winger which takes a slot that can be used for a lot of good items like pocket pistol, bonk, crit cola, mad milk etc

[@kuunt6065]

you don't balance a game around the top 100 players of the game with a limit of six players when the vast majority of the playerbase plays casual or pretty much casual but on community servers. balancing around comp is a bad idea, just look at overwatch

[@danielsurvivor1372]

@@kuunt6065 Overwatch has different issue. They kept adding and then rebalancing new heroes. It was infuriating and more people left because of uncertainty. We however don't have this issue, most of the time class itself doesn't get buffs or nerfs, only unlocks. As for balance, no comp players are spot on on this. Compared to Casual players who unironically think Amby, DB, Dead Ringer are op, comp players are actually competent and know what's op or not. I'd rather have THEM balance weapons and not Casual players, because by the time they finish "balancing" nobody besides a fricking Engy, Soldier, Demo n Heavy will be strong, only those may survive Scout, Pyro, Sniper, and Spy will be so nerfed we might as well remove them.

[@obliterablecardioid3617]

Nitro pepsi Is fucking bombastic and baller, do not besmirch my blessed beverage

[@dontdomewrong1932]

Diggin the katana zero music btw.

[@refusingtoconform]

I've mentioned prior how I feel like your alliteration style of introductions can be off-putting despite its technical proficiency and I think the breakdown segment around 6:40 proves this wonderfully. This entire segment is so smooth, funny, and informative. An excellent display of your quirky sense of humor that makes your videos so engaging to watch without chopping up your delivery bumbling over syllables. You're such a talented creator, Space Guy, the effort you put into production is admirable and your ability to inject personality into a script is always a pleasure. I just hope one day you unshackle yourself from this gimmick and let your writing speak for itself.

[@Blazesoldier]

You forgot to mention the baby faces blaster receiving emotional support from his friends the wrap assassin and cleaver

[@uscott187]

2:51 my reaction: is that the splatoon blender? 😆

[@solgerWhyIsThereAnAtItLooksBad]

The bison should work like the alien ray gun from… a different game whos name I’m not allowed to mention.

[@burgerking5225]

Bro now I gotta know

[@fireblast133]

wanna know what i think would make the bison viable? Hits dealing x amount of damage or more reload one rocket in your primary. It'll draw from reserves, but the synergy then comes in the fact the mangler has infinite reserve. Increase that projectile speed on top, and it's a weapon that's more meant to allow you to defend yourself and reload your primary damage dealer at the same time. A niche that'd work well for Soldier.

[@darthgamer9861]

Love the use of Risk of Rain music

[@whimsyy3199]

The full sets were a problem, but damn did I enjoy the Gas Jockey set when it was around 10% movespeed on Pyro at all times felt incredible.

[@muddashucka9743]

Dr. Grordbort Presents the Deadliest Game wasn't actually made by Weta Workshop. The actual functionality of the Righteous Bison can be found in the official Dr. Grordbort comics or the advert for Dr. Grordbort's Infallible Aether Oscillators.

[@tigran010]

24:32 Gonna write it down to my everyday dictionary

[@EnderLord99]

The General's Formals has a very niche use of "rescuing an allied medic who got stranded alone somewhere and is surrounded by enemies, but only if they're using the Quick Fix" and it's not even good at it

[@ThePikminCaptain]

What if valve made it so the disciplinary action did +100% Damage on Demoman 🤨📸

[@emilygordbort7300]

What if, and hear me out, the Righteous Bison drains Sentry ammo on hit. 50 bullets and 5 rockets, so that 4 direct shots from the Bison will empty it out. Kind of a pointless stat with most rocket launchers, but when combined with the Cow Mangler, it allows you to deal with sentries without needing to switch off the Cow Mangler Send in a Charge Shot at the enemy Sentry to shut it off for a couple seconds, spam Righteous Bison beams at it, and blammo whammo, gun's out of ammo. Effectively counters the Wrangler since the Shield only effects the amount of damage the gun can take, and forces the Engineer to waste ammo that would otherwise be spent on healing the sentry, making it easier for the rest of your team to handle without helplessly waiting for an uber push. Even better, while it might be a bit annoying to Engie mains, it wouldn't be OP when it comes to sentry busting. The Direct Hit is still better at that, and the Bison's pitiful projectile pace gives the Engineer plenty of time to respond. With this set, you trade away close-range damage potential for the ability to provide constant offensive pressure to the enemy team, as you no longer require any ammunition and can just keep pushing. Also makes for a good Med Pocket, as the health regen will mean Soldier never has to leave the front lines for any reason so long as your Med stays alive.

[@cralo2569]

starting the video strong with deadbolt ost B-)

[@asdf-pd1uj]

I love your content, but the Deadbolt soundtrack being the first thing I hear? Absolute staple of the TF2 content creators

[@Plantster15]

Poopy Joe is in the crowd scene at 13:47 behind Saxton Hale

[@madcat789]

I honestly wouldn't mind if they had a special mode where it was all about sets and their bonuses, whatever it may be.

[@minifigamer9898]

I feel like the gas jockey is a bit of a weird case where, yes, they synergize well with each other, but the thing is that they both synergize well with almost everything. Sure combo pyro would be rounded off nicely with the axetinguisher, but you're likely also running the flare gun or panic attack so it just feels like overkill. There isn't a single pyro primary or secondary that I can find that doesn't synergize with the powerjack. And the only weapons thst don't pair well with the degreaser are the mannmelter (which it's entire purpose is to partially make up for the phlog's lack of airblast), thermal thruster (and even then, you can equip the axetinguisher to regain your combo pyro status), and two of the melees that everyone agrees are worthless with everything (being the sharpened volcano fragment and hot hand)

[@GhostlyOfficialVA]

Nice use of DEADBOLT soundtrack here. Nice video too.

[@senatorcigarstrong3374]

For bison we should just add back the old flame particles as a new bison particle hitbox so its back to its former glory.

[@lenightmare1]

one idea i had for the third degree was that upon hitting an enemy, he is "marked for medic" for a few seconds. Instead of showing a skull on top of the player it shows the medic's drawn head, and all damage dealt to the affected player also deals damage to a medic/dispenser healing it

[@darkranger116]

*sigh* i remember when the darwin danger shield actually used to be a real item and gave +25 health, allowing a huntsman sniper to be an offense class.. back before the weapon balance dev team had a stroke :(

[@Noahs_Chair]

I think the Atomizer is fine, Scout is already extremely powerfull with 1 double jump. Giving him an extra one for nerfing a weapon nobody uses was fucking insane. Now it's a tool to use new routes when entering or escaping more in line with the Power Jack/Escape Plan/Gru.

[@TempestRequiem0]

Atomizer is good in its current state. Its not meant to be used mid combat. There's a reason it was banned pre nerf when you didn't need to have it deployed. High level scout v soldier is already heavily scout biased on most terrain, and soldier is one of the only classes that can take on a high level scout in a 1 on 1 a third jump is a bit much considering how hard scouts are to hit once they are good at purposeful air strafing. In short boosting scouts DM capabilities would be a mistake (as fun as it would be). Outside of 6s where you need a boston basher/sword for uber building atomizer is still scouts best melee weapon with the amount of flank routes it opens (without needing to bleed jump). Its actually insane. Just hop into any map you want with an atomizer in offline mode, and just roam the map and see how many more options you have. Doubly so if you combo it with a winger (2 jumps with the winger the instant you hit jump you gotta swap to have time to get another third jump, because of the deploy time its more of a boost to horizontal distance rather than vertical).

[@KimFareseed]

You would be suprised how many pyros get confused when you don't get budged by their airblasts by cliffs. Never going near one without the Manthreads.

[@what...101]

That's honestly a pretty good idea for a Bison rework

[@jadynandchara640]

I don't understand. The liberty launcher makes everything just a bit easier at the cost of a fair amount of damage, and it pairs well with the shotgun that is basically a direct upgrade from stock if you don't miss the first two shots. It's designed niche scenario works out well even though the loadout works in many other situations, with the niche being to fire the first one or two shots at the opponent's feet with them being less able to dodge as they're blown away, then using the shotgun you have to deal chip damage that doesn't wear off because it's a mini-crit. The liberty launcher makes market gardening a bit easier with it's jump damage reduction (though minor), it's extra rocket allowing potential for advanced trolldier picks and rollouts, and it's projectile speed lets you fire a rocket at the enemy while you're in the air at a shorter range since normally the rocket would be travelling slower and potentially would blast you away from the enemy you were trying to garden, meaning you can deal a rocket's damage, then a crit/ a single melee hit and switch to your shotgun to kill them off. Not just that, but the liberty launcher lets you fire at a further range that people could normally dodge your rockets from, and it has an extra rocket to help with the sustained fight you'd be putting yourself in so you can kill the opponent to compensate it's slightly lower damage. The worst part of the liberty launcher would be coming face-to-face with another soldier using a 'better' weapon for burst damage, and even then it's not that bad as the less self-damage from rockets means you'll be less likely to blow yourself up, and it doesn't even matter as you can just fire a rocket and switch to your direct upgrade shotgun and finish them off with a shot or two. I don't understand how the liberty launcher gets so much hate for a single decrease in damage from 90 to 70

[@muddashucka9743]

How to fix the Righteous Bison: +Increase the weapon's base damage. The Righteous Bison has a hard time killing foes at all due to its low damage, and it only gets worse when compared to stock. To remedy this, the Righteous Bison should get a damage buff. +Give the weapon inverted damage ramp-up/falloff. The Righteous Bison was designed with the purpose of gunning down fleeing foes. Giving the weapon inverted damage ramp-up/falloff not only helps to increase the weapon's poor damage, but it also helps to make the weapon more effective at its intended purpose. +Increase the weapon's projectile speed. The Righteous Bison's projectile speed is so slow that it's almost impossible to hit enemies, which makes the weapon perform extremely poorly. To remedy this, the weapon should get a buff to its projectile speed. +Bring back the old flame particles just for the Righteous Bison. The Righteous Bison uses flame particles for part of its projectile's hitbox. However, when Jungle Inferno rolled around and changed flame particles, it reduced the maximum amount of times that the Righteous Bison's projectile could hit a single target from 5 to 3, unintentionally reducing the Righteous Bison's maximum damage by a whopping 40%. To remedy this, the old flame particles should be brought back (though only for the Righteous Bison), as this not only helps the weapon to do more damage, but also supports its intended purpose of being stronger against fleeing foes. +Make the Righteous Bison deal additional damage for each foe it penetrates. This would not only help to increase its damage, but also make it better at its intended role of gunning down fleeing foes.

[@moronribbons5774]

Honestly for the third degree I would say maybe grant it something along the lines of projectile blocking, to pair with the manmelter in making up for what the phlog lacks in no airblasting. I would figure swinging it or maybe a colldown-dependant M2 function could allow it to occasionally generate a shield or field in front of the pyro for a brief moment that would break projectiles, potentially lingering for a moment on success and thus further encouraging to use it around your team to support holding a space or protecting someone like your medic. I would figure it needs higher switch on speed to make pulling this out to use more possible as an alternative to airblast, though not too much to make it more require careful consideration on the linger of the shield to utilize well. Of course for downsides I'd say the weapon itself should have weak damage, and maybe something like a damage weakness to bullets since it makes almost any other damage types struggle more if it was used well. It's obviously a very fickle idea to toy with, and would make the 3Dg extremely unique among melee weapons, so maybe a more toned down or set related ability, such as only being usable to generate a melee-hit area when swung if you don't have the phlog, and being able to generate that field at the cost of some of the mmph meter (a third or half?) while still only having it last briefly so as to not too much allow to offset the phlog's downside toward projectiles.

[@gregoirebasseville4797]

Someone else shared my opinion on letting the Mannmelter suck crits from burning enemies. But DO NOT make the third degree block healing ! That would basically save the enemies from your shared hits ! The last thing you want as a third degree pyro is for the medic to stop helping his patient. You could just make the beam not give health but I think I got a better idea. Make the third degree work on payloads and dispensers. Hit everyone being healed by them, and damage the dispenser. This needs a big downside, but even without one, you don't usually survive rushing into payload full of players with your melee. An Uber would make that way too strong though. So it would need a new downside, but widen the effect of the attack.

[@YujiNakaSonic]

Phlogistinator set really should have come with an effect that makes it so no other pyro can use airblast so it's balanced

[@sandwichboy1268]

That third degree change would make it really good at shutting down the heavy with a medic girlfriend

[@beeberbonberber]

Love that you use the RoR soundtrack

[@rexosaurus3610]

I can't wait for the next episode, long as your recording program behaves.

[@HalfWolf2]

At least they buffed the atomizer with mini crits lately

[@madhatter2705]

I think it would be funny if there was an inspect animation for scouts pistol and he accidentally drops the mag