TF2 Spy is a Ninja, FIGHT ME! - Which Ninja

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Team Fortress 2's Spy has been requested for Which Ninja for a LONG time now, and it's easy to see why. A lot of his cosmetics definitely give him a shinobi vibe. But just how ninja is TF2's international man of mystery? And how closely related ARE ninja and our modern take on spies?
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[@GaijinGoombah]

I'm not Ronnie guys...

[@radlegend1279]

Gaijin Goombah Media oh

[@matheussandbakk9959]

Yeah Watched Matpat's video, sorry to hear that :(

[@ziggy1036]

Ohh

[@victr127]

xD

[@pobz3832]

Who is Ronnie?

[@SHINOBI-03]

"He doesn't look like a ninja." "Ah, but that's how a ninja should look like."

[@GaijinGoombah]

This guy gets it.

[@Azrael_Equinox]

SHINOBI-03 So true

[@SHINOBI-03]

I grew up with enough ninjas to know how it works. My first ninja anime was "Manga Sarutobi Sasuke". Sadly it's really obscure in the west.

[@demi-fiendoftime3825]

SHINOBI-03 That reminds me of my favorite captioned picture it shows a few kids doing backfilps in a school hallway and it says Ninja Academy now excepting applications Second caption: If they were Ninja you wouldn't be able to see them Third Caption : That hallway is full all you see is the freshmen

[@bluestormpony]

indeed nobody expects the suave frenchamn

[@SixWingZombi]

Ah, yes... The four primal elements: Fire, Water, Earth and Wizardry.

[@spudsbuchlaw]

SixWingZombi *and Anime

[@acardboardbox9386]

Or maybe... Hagrid says your a wizard harry but there is a meme saying your a blizzard harry and blizzards are icecream or a snowstorm both are cold and when your hot and want to be cold you turn on a fan that emits LASAGNA -Timotainment

[@kofatsu]

Something Something earth wind and fire Something

[@d.n5287]

Merasmus is a demon

[@refusingtoconform]

WIZARD SURPRISE!

[@LazyPurple]

Awesome video! Super engaging arguments as usual, glad I could help

[@kagukoku9390]

Hello There!

[@chip5416]

LazyPurple hells yeah, i got really happy when I saw one of your videos included here, you make some quality stuff, Lazy

[@magic0pirate398]

Chip the tf2 community love SFM we ues it on most of our events and videos.

[@blackdragons8011]

Someone got klickbaited because of spy in a thumbnail! Muahahaaaaa

[@vuke6931]

Your content deserves love man. Glad it gets a shout-out here 👍🏽

[@bcn1gh7h4wk]

the Spy's main mission is *infiltration*, *deception*, and *sabotage*. and, if possible, *assassination*, when the situation is right. if that doesn't speak ninja, I don't know what does.

[@JwGacey1]

yes your right

[@eh9618]

He literally has a sapper to sabotage engie's stuff

[@Calypso-The-Kitsune]

As a spy main you are 100% correct

[@KONODIODA]

As a spy main I can also confirm this

[@DetectiveLance]

Or, yknow, the international occupation since the beginning of military intelligence: being a spy.

[@captainbirch9835]

Goomba:next you'll tell me Dr wiley is a ninja Me well whenever megaman "catches" him it's always a fake... That's technically bushin no jutsu

[@masterklaw4527]

Heavy: Spy is Shinobi! Scout: Ninjas don’t exist, dumbass! Spy (sneaks up on Scout): Behind you! Scout: GAHHH!! Don’t do that! Spy: It seems our friend the Heavy is correct! Heavy: *Laughs*

[@N24-z5r]

Heh nice

[@Blade2145]

Gajian Goomba using Lazy Purple for reference!?! My life is now complete!!!

[@fadhil2446]

ikr

[@nagapandian]

Same

[@Strykor]

Ah, so this is what you needed the Low Bork sound effect for. Good thing I stumbled into that wiki.

[@GaijinGoombah]

MAH MAN!

[@kooyyas1959]

And in one fell swoop, Gaijin Goombah solidified the Spy main stereotype for years to come.

[@pktesla]

French ninja time.

[@biohazard724]

pktesla bonjour, baka!

[@OmniGSage]

I mean, in Samurai Deeper Kyo they had a Spaniard ninja, so why not french too

[@jwhite5008]

This one only serves death though

[@tavernburner3066]

Or many hes just disguised as a French spy.

[@RealNotASpy]

Still more knowledgeable about tf2 than MatPat

[@thatballer306]

NotASpy true

[@thatballer306]

Sauceless Mannpower and engineer

[@RealNotASpy]

The kingdom knight r/wooosh?

[@thatballer306]

NotASpy r/woosh is not an excuse for unfunny jokes

[@RealNotASpy]

The kingdom knight I figured you didn't understand because he obviously knew about both

[@369destroyer]

Batman the American ninja Spy the French ninja Wily the BEST ninja XD

[@hellpwnage6665]

James Bond is Bri'ish Ninja

[@MugenSniperGeek]

Since watching mr paladins vids on how a spy thinks I've actaully been waiting for this which Ninja.

[@Great-Runas]

SPAH SAPPIN' MAH SENTREH

[@penguyns.9350]

MugenSniperGeek no no no starykrow > mr paladin starykrow best spy main he facestab you into oblivion

[@camoking3605]

But i don't like starrykrow :(

[@penguyns.9350]

Camo King360 thats your problem, buddy

[@Eleganttf2]

Paladin big noob

[@Rukdug]

Something else that’s probably just a neat conjecture more than actual evidence, but after the end of the Tokugawa Shogunate’s isolation party France spent the next 40 years consuming Japanese art and culture. Odds are if you find a piece of French art from that period that isn’t either impressionist or expressionist, it’s going to be either mimicking a Japanese style (especially woodcuts) or portraying Japanese objects as a major part of the subject matter (for example, portraits of French women wearing Kimonos). Given that period of obsession with Japan, it’s not implausible to think that some military or intelligence officers may have tried to adopt some ninja or ninja adjacent techniques for training their espionage agents. Spy would then have benefited from that training as well, albeit many decades latter. However, while fun to think about and plausible, this little historical based theory is very improbable. Just thought that would be a nice little historical-cultural tidbit to share.

[@MrSailing101]

Ever hear about Le Risastance? When France submitted to Nazi Occupation with little persuasion, there were many citizens who did not. Many of their strategies and tactics have direct parallels to ninja tactics. Paris in particular has a hidden underbelly, the Catacombs, that allowed resistance fighters to seem to vanish into thin air. French ninja suddenly don't seem to far fetched. And since TF2 is set in the height of the cold war, you KNOW where spy got his skills from.

[@maximsavage]

MrSailing101 It's spelled "La Résistance". It literally translates to "The Resistance". And yes, I agree with you, guerrilla warfare tends to incorporate ninja-like techniques since remaining undetected is crucial to such fighting.

[@weaponizedpizza8825]

funny thing is about that sun tzu quote is you should do pretty much the exact opposite of what it implies for spy players. a low health soldier will be more attentive on their return to get health, and more importantly, will be looking backwards. trying to sneak past him or get a backstab will only result in you being spychecked and possibly killed. either steer clear of low health enemies or if you know the map well, flank to the health kit they're going to, approach from the side, and shoot them instead.

[@ViceN53X]

My God. Ever since I saw both this video and Lazy's video, I actually improved on playing spy in terms of staying hidden. Depending on how much space is in the map, as well as the lack of Pyros, I am actually able to slip past people by staying invisible in the middle of the group. And regarding your video on how to play Genji pretty well, not only did I know the map enough, but I also know hiding spots that no one in the game suspects, as well as routes I can take to make a getaway. The only struggle I have is landing my back stabs. I'm not very good at aiming.

[@paulper]

This was so good! Also the Dead Ringer is similar to the decoy/substitution tactic ninjas used by making fake bodies to distract enemies. The box trot strategy is great for the Spy’s version of Snakes box disguise which makes me think of the hiding tapestry trick as well. It can take a while for new players to develop a ‘spy sense’ to check for players so the part about taking advantage of those less skilled makes perfect sense! Best part was referencing LazyPurples video, he’s one of the most seasoned veterans and I’m glad to see him being a source of knowledge in TF2!

[@alicedubois1348]

I am so sorry for your loss. We the fans are there for you.

[@chowder4656]

Alice Dubois agreed

[@skyrimmz169]

PEOPLE Gaijin Goombah is not dead Ronnie Edwards was the one who died

[@armjjb5189]

Not to mention that the Spy NEVER removes his mask and his true identity is a complete mystery, both to his teammates and even to us, the players! Subsequent TF2 comics and tie-in videos have revealed the real names of several of the characters (ex. the Demoman's real name is Tavish DeGroot), but not the Spy's.

[@M4x_P0w3r]

Yes, but maybe the fact that he never removes his mask works against him. In a TF2 comic, Spy is working in a shopping mall still wearing his mask. That makes him stand out instead of making him less noticeable

[@armjjb5189]

Good point! I never thought about that. Hmmm...maybe he should try a fake beard or something when out in public?

[@M4x_P0w3r]

Absolutely. Hair dye, colored contact lens, make-up, a wig, sunglasses, a hat (fitting for TF2 isn't it?), anything that gives him a "natural" appearance while still disguising his real. If you knew, for example, that he's pale, blond with blue eyes, you wouldn't look for a tanned, brunette guy with dark eyes, right?

[@chowder4656]

I want to pay respect to Ronnie but it is a little funny how everyone thinks that this is Ronnie when Gaijin is still alive and well

[@Hana-ub3zz]

thank you for saying this for me. It's a little funny how people say they're fans yet not even know who the person is. MatPat named both Gaijin and Ronnie, so idk why people are confused :/

[@The_Rising_Dragon]

Also, he never removes his mask, and, when in the BLU Team, his outfit, is Navy Blue.

[@rahuhe4102]

And some more points you didn't bring up! Spy always has his identity hidden, He doesn't wear black, he wears Navy blue in his BLU team clothes, And most of the time he avoids combat unless he's certain he can kill without being seen. Thanks Gaijin! This was My suggestion!

[@beanlizard3794]

THIS ISNT RONNIE GAIJIN IS STILL ALIVE

[@Thefangirlshadow]

This title makes me think of "Mother's Basement" and his "Fight me" videos.

[@shonenbag6478]

This series tldr; if it's a ninja, it's not ninja, but if it isn't a ninja, then it's ninja.

[@ImChulis]

Even though this was his last, his memory will always live on. Rest in peace Gaujin Goomba.

[@Someone25-]

Nxme less he wasn't the one who passed away, it was Ronnie

[@harryt2305]

Everyone goomba didn't die it was a close friend who edited and was in some videos, Ronnie

[@foxronyo]

One more item you forgot about was the Spy's 'Dead Ringer' watch. With it activated, any hit causes him to cloak, and a fake Spy to be dropped, in the hope that the enemy believes that they have dealt with him. A clear use of the Kawarimi no Jutsu (Body Replacement Technique).

[@14deadratsinatrenchcoat]

Good call

[@jeffersoncastro8535]

Rest In piece Ronnie I send my blessings to you

[@chowder4656]

Jefferson Castro Gaijin is alive, Ronnie is the one who sadly passed away

[@jeffersoncastro8535]

Elf on the Shelf Yeah I edited it

[@livsbian]

Finally some TF2

[@alejandroespinoza5680]

Tf2 content that is well informed and doesn't steal other's content.

[@DragonOracle]

1:00 As soon as you said that - I remembered this episode... Thanks , Gaijin Goomba.

[@ViceN53X]

Playiny spy is pretty intense. I had to use these shinobi techniques to play him effectively

[@DeathsTacoIsHere]

for those of you thinking who he’s not, Ronnie was found dead on July 4th when this video was uploaded on July 22nd

[@tenko7619]

Beginning of the video: -_- whatever End of the video: ............WHAT THE HECK YOUR RIGHT

[@ViceN53X]

If some is walking towards someone's back, chances are that's a spy about to make the backstab

[@angelaviviv7698]

So.. I heard the news.. This shouldn't have never happened.

[@chowder4656]

lolbomb gamerpants This isn't Ronnie

[@mr.cup6yearsago211]

Elf on the Shelf She never said it was Ronnie.

[@huh-wuh]

Data Raven, but for good measure, Elf on the Shelf said it.

[@killzolari]

People in the comments are dumb. Gaijin goomba is not Ronnie. He is Michael.

[@AgentOracle]

This was better than everything else I've seen today. Top work. Also Tenno / Ash soon? One of my favorite frames.

[@phuzzychinn]

Another point in Spy's favor is the fact we never see his full face. Just a little bit of his mouth, no defining hairstyle, only a bit of his eyes. In the comics we get the tiniest peek under the mask when he and Scout are in jail, and he lifts up only the bottom of his mask to shave.

[@trentnuno601]

I think noh mask is so popular because it has a smile and as mad Jack from world war II said if you smile at somebody they're less likely to shoot you if you're in a situation where there's a lot of danger and fear already there somebody's smiling at you makes you more upset confused and scared

[@ShadowSuperWolf]

Personally one of my favorite ninjas is the Disney version of Tarzan. Hear me out, if you re-watch the old movie you'll see that he is actually really skilled with keeping to the shadows and moving around without notice. Add that to his ability to us his environment to his advantage, ability to copy sounds, behaviors of other animal, and so on.

[@irpsicologiayeducaciongrup8251]

That's... Actually a good point. It even makes sense, since a lot of the sneaking techniques used by ninjas are based on the way animals react to danger or sneak around. Now i want to see Tarzan in a ninja costume.

[@ste11ar]

Rest in Peace, Ronnie. ❤️

[@chowder4656]

Dwayne C this isn't Ronnie

[@johnmerisd.copiling2468]

Elf on the Shelf wuh do u mean

[@TheGreenDucky]

Harambe 327 Ronnie is the other editor

[@elvenfireball7055]

Ronnie Committed Suicide :(

[@jamesagarfield932]

Wrong channel dude

[@boonekeller5275]

Even though this is interesting, there’s nothing I love better than fillin a spy’s face fulla double ought buckshot as engie.

[@DaDoc540]

Engineer: That's what my daddy taught me to do to backstabbers!

[@elijahbuck6499]

Glad your'e still here, miss you at game theory

[@eossakira2653]

Way more research than MatPat's TF2 vs Overwatch video

[@squidmcdoodle]

Don’t forget the fact that no one knows Spy’s identity...

[@quinncykaluzniak5429]

I remember that you once said that ninjas used the most high tech equipment they could get their hands on for both utility and combat, and what’s more high tech then Australian tech in the TF2 universe? The spy uses it in his knives, a couple revolvers, a cloaking device and an instant disguise device

[@1dollarlambo]

R.I.P Ronnie :(

[@chowder4656]

Original Gamer This isn't Ronnie

[@mario8533]

Elf on the Shelf And?

[@huh-wuh]

Oof'd, the point is this ain't Ronnie. There's no "and?" in "This isn't Ronnie."

[@aaronbald9458]

This is why spy mains are weaboo's Nice vid tho 👌

[@ind0minusr3x51]

A few things to add to the video: 1. There is a new all class cosmetic called "The handsome Devil,wich looks like an oni/hanya mask,and better looking. 2. Spy has a plenty of items that a ninja would prefer(and not the reskins) for their abilities 3. There is a youtuber who was a spy main (before he changed to medic) and he had a series of videos called "How a spy thinks". And in that series he provides tips and tricks for players to become a better spy, with example footages.

[@Fofo-sr2xu]

A well researched, accurate video on TF2 on this channel?! I commend you, sir!

[@whilceistilted6459]

RIP

[@chowder4656]

Whilce Is Tilted This isn't Ronnie

[@dx23gaming93]

R.I.P Ronnie

[@huh-wuh]

Dx23gaming 2.0 this ain't Ronnie. This is Gaijin

[@draegonspawn5361]

You forgot to add in Spy's sabotage features as well. Sabotage was safer than assassination and could create the distractions needed to complete a mission. You sabotage a turret or vending machine and the engineer leaves the front line to investigate.

[@thyknee01draws]

If you want to make the "Bunshin No Jutsu" in game. Tell your friends to wear a same cosmetic as you have or your friend's. And make a your username same. It also works any class not just the spy.

[@CyColt]

Bunshin No Jutsu from an entire team of Heavies wearing the JoJo's cosmetics and the Eviction Notice for the faster attack speed. ALL OF THEM NAMED JOTARO KUJO.

[@01100101011100100111]

2:25 So ninjas follow the Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy? That's ANOTHER point for them.

[@Xion_Toshiro]

Come to think of it; the Sneaker in Conker's Live & Reloaded fo Xbox was a lot like the Spy in TF2. When I would go to high places; the CPU rarely if ever checked for me there, hiding in high places.

[@nintonintendo1]

Damn...

[@chowder4656]

Gaijin is alive, Ronnie is the one who sadly passed away

[@nintonintendo1]

Elf on the Shelf WAIT? WHO DIED? I WAS REFERRING TO THE VIDEO!

[@chowder4656]

nintonintendo1 oh sorry, my bad, I must have replied here instead of the comment I was trying to reply to on accident, one of Mat Pat's and Gajins friends committed suicide, watch Game Theories most recent video for more information

[@ermacmacro7136]

Here's a bit of a throwback bit of knowledge. when Ninja need to perform jobs of assassination, they'll try to hide the body from direct line of sight to buy themself as much time as humanly possible while they make their getaway. in TF2, this technique manifests as a bonus ability of the special dagger "Your Eternal Reward" which does a few things when you backstab an enemy. It immediately disguised you as the enemy you stabbed. It doesn't produce a kill message to the rest of the game to basically out that there's a spy lurking. and finally, it deletes the enemy's body ragdoll from play. Hiding the body in the event that you get found out, but gives you time to make your getaway amidst the sudden influx of chaos to try and figure out where you are

[@OpXarxa]

I briefly played as a spy during the couple weeks I tried TF2 about 5 years ago, and when I saw the video title, I still knew exactly what it'd be about. I was not wrong.

[@rexstocephirxiii4263]

A good ninja always knows where his towel is.

[@ericam8556]

Rest In Peace, Ronnie.

[@gazbaz2684]

Erica M he’s not Ronnie....

[@cliftonl.2353]

After watching these episodes for a while now started to think, "wait a second, are super spies ninja?", so this sorta answered my question.

[@SonicMegamanFan]

>Spy plays like a ninja You mean there was any other way to play Spy? Basically that's the name of Spy's game for me, be the backstabbing sneaky assassin that perfectly blends in on the battlefield. Having the Noh mask and Conniver's Kunai was just icing on the invisible cake.

[@cadunkus]

You did your research and I applaud you. *TAKE A HINT, MATPAT!* (I did notice one error and that was you said a spy disguised as medic needs to be healing people when spy can't heal people even if he is disguised as medic. That being said, a medic with his medigun in hands instead of his syringe gun is less likely to get spychecked so you aren't entirely wrong.)

[@Fanatic_Foremem]

I was honestly expecting the Wily clip to be how he installed the turnable wall in his lab in megaman.... 10? 9? It was one of those two I think.

[@TsukiCondor]

"Meet the Goombah" *blasts the TF2 theme*

[@white0thunderwhite0thunder71]

A perfect ending to this video would have been Goombah turning into a Spy ready to stab Gaijin in the back like in the Meet the Meet the Spy video.

[@leondyer6351]

If the sanjaki tenugi is just a towel, does that mean that the hitchhikers guide to the Galaxy described other ninja gear in its pages somewhere?

[@thebestofbass]

Spy snuck into which ninja.

[@Billy_847]

This is the first witch ninja where I knew what he was talking about ...most of the time. TF2 is my favourite game so I understood a lot of it

[@DragonflightProduct]

I know this is a bit late, but it would be super rad to see a Which Ninja about my favorite ninja of all time, Elim Garak from DS9.

[@genroynoisis6980]

The spy can also sabotage guards that cover a wide area (sentries), sabotage the enemy's supplies (dispensers), and also sabotage their transportation to the battlefield (teleporters). Any bits of that in the Ninja Bible if i might ask?

[@dinodale6236]

i am FAR earlier than i usualy am

[@sawada_.]

how "Unusual"

[@S.I.L.]

When you think about it ninjas and spies are very similar. They sneak into enemy territory to gather information, items or assasinate people.

[@Puzzlers100]

Next which ninja is going to be on the rangers from the ranger's apprentice series

[@Frigid_Knight]

It's possible there might be a connection between Fuu-Ki and hanya masks being associated with ninja. Consider the following profile he has in Shin Megami Tensei: Strange Journey (as well as a few other games in the Shin Megami Tensei series): "One of the four oni controlled by Fujiwara no Chikata, it sends hurricanes to blow away its enemies. Some say that Fuu-ki is the original ninja."

[@FoxChan-gc9kq]

Illiterately just watched LazyPuprle's "how it feelz" and i starting dying of laughter!

[@bentilley747]

Lazypurple was born with the soul of Shinobi, no! Is the reincarnation of an ancient Shinobi.

[@ThePsychicPineapple]

Well I’m playing spy. Time to disguise as scout and run at the enemy team.

[@Tucher97]

doesnt look like a ninja? ah that is what he wants you to think

[@Hell_Soll]

this Spy is... unexpected accurate with his techniques :O

[@cezarydudkiewicz2990]

I feel like the sapper could also be related to ninja-like acts. Didn't they once infiltrate and burn a castle or something?

[@mayor6366]

Dr. Wily is the most historically accurate ninja

[@MagicalMaster]

You know, the more of this series I watch the more I come to see that it's not so much that ninjas are everywhere, it's that the concepts of good stealth, infiltration and assassination are damn near universal. Yes the Shinobi made it look good. They made it look really, really good. But a lot of what they do are taking advantage of universal quirks of human psychology and just smart techniques. That's why we're seeing more of it, even if a person knows all of nothing about Ninjutsu a LOT of it is just good stealth sense. A person is looking for a human, don't look like a human. They identify based off your face, so don't show it. They don't always look up, so stay up. You need to climb, get a tool for it. Even the towel makes a huge amount of practical sense in that it can be thrown down from a high place and landed on to muffle the sound of your drop and that's besides using it to further blur your outline or just to carry things as an impromptu bag.

[@thesmiler1579]

Ronnie died on july 4th. This guy isn't ronnie.

[@errorpedia]

Great video! May I suggest Usagi Yojimbo as reading/video material? I think Jei could be a good ninja (from him wearing dark blue in covers to him easily changing body)

[@Mukker852]

Ninjas often worked as SPYES and assasins. It's not surprising that a professional spy actually uses techniques that other professional spyes use.

[@antisocialhoodie3921]

Something I noticed about spy is that if you play him on blue team his color is dark blue which you said is the color actual ninjas used.

[@ravnemagne9598]

I can just imagine a "shinto church" where the priest reads from The bigass bible of ninja

[@TenchixRyoko]

I love how often you have Warframe on your list. Ash is very ninja-esque but plays much more like ninja in later eras, where they were employed more as assassins. Loki and Ivara however are very much like traditional ninja. I'll leave that debate to you though. I love your work. Also I saw Matpat's video about your buddy/video editor, my condolences and best wishes to you all.

[@Narutonarutonaruto85]

A ninja is a spy. Their main mission is espionage and the fighting is secondary. It's not much of a stretch to think of the Spy as a ninja. Granted we don't see him doing much actual spying in game, but that would be rather hard to do that in a multi player FPS. That said there was that one short animation...

[@OddballKitten]

Ninja: Oh shoot! They found me! Umm... uh... (crouches down by a 4-ft wall) Guard: Hey, where'd he go? Man, ninja sure are sneaky. (proceeds to check everything but the ninja's hiding spot) Ninja: Wow, that worked?

[@AnthonyDaFox]

I just Love how the little Chestnut goomba forgot that the Spy has a Cosmetic called the Ninja Cowl XD

[@ii_chxos7547]

I like your reference to Touken Ranbu when you said Yamabushi.

[@samuelevans738]

9:28 RIP, Rick May.

[@psychosugar3320]

Hey Gaijin, I’m a huge theatre nerd and I think that the Phantom from phantom of the opera uses lots of methods that remind me of ninjutsu, like using fire to evade enemies, and constantly wearing a mask, and literally telling no one his real name. Do you think you could take a more in depth look at this?

[@dah3071]

till waiting for that raiden video pal, dont make me stomp on the gumba