[TF2] The Final Straw (Item Servers, DMCAs, and Valve in 2024)

[@louiswright8282]

One thing that annoys me the most is that F2Ps still cant use voice lines or even use chat, for over 2 YEARS and they still havent given it back to F2Ps.

[@paperlanterns0775]

doesn't even matter that bots spammed voice lines as most bots at this point have premium accounts anyway

[@billtanno8960]

What does this mean exactly? I always here this but I can do both of those things.. does that mean At some point I paid for the game?

[@Konfektionery]

​​​​​@@billtanno8960Valve disabled any and all forms of communications for free-to-play accounts in an attempt to stop bots from posting text or playing sounds of racial slurs and other general bigotry. This by extension means that regular f2p cannot text, voice chat or use voice commands (Spy! MEDIC! Need a dispenser here!) If you can somehow bypass it, the most likely answer is that you somehow bought something from the in-game _Mann Co. Store,_ no matter how little the amount, or someone gifted you premium and you just dont remember (or someone activated it for you if you ever shared your account) Check your backpack to see if you have more pages, that should be a surefire and easy way to check your premium status.

[@Spageht]

yeah like it was supposed to stop bots from swearing or whatever but it didn't it just stop a sizeable portion of players from talking, or even calling for medic.

[@streetlane6382]

​@@billtanno8960 yeah, it means at some point or another you bought something in tf2

[@NoneOne]

Companies would literally kill to have a fanbase as passionate as the tf2 community

[@schlafkanal]

So true

[@rjojo-n-shadow3501]

blizzard entertainment fr would lmao

[@livingvirus404]

It is pretty embarrassing how a 7 billion dollar company can't fix problems with a single game. They barely even care about it at this point

[@condescendingonlineman2136]

Valve is not a 7 billion dollar company...

[@tttttttttttttttp12]

​@@condescendingonlineman2136 Yeah, it's more than that. 10 billion I think

[@frxstylgl]

​@@condescendingonlineman2136yea according to what is shown in the video, Valve has 7.7 billion net worth and earned 13 billion dollars just in 2022, its old data but its still relevant

[@xavierdaniel4608]

​@@condescendingonlineman2136On the contrary

[@violetcaster4644]

​@Leeloo_the_fox My headcannon is that they don't just "not care" about TF2, they hate it. They've been doing the absolute bare minimum to keep this game alive so as to give the impression that they care, but in their perfect world, TF2 would have been shut down years ago.

[@fiddleriddlediddlediddle]

It's more likely TF2 will enter public domain in 80 years and that one of our grandkids will make a replacement for it than it actually being updated ever again.

[@MesurDrogon-vh8jk]

I beg with all my soul that you are not right by we all know you are

[@Drunken_Hamster]

Abandonware should be public domain. (and the "term limits" on that should be 10 years, with a max of ONE refresh)

[@Jasonwithadot]

​@@Drunken_Hamsterno worries mate cause the 2mb monthly update they make to the game make sure that TF2 stays a valve propiety forever

[@e.j5813]

TF2 has got to have the highest rates of Stockholm syndrome from their fans. And I’m one of them

[@David_276]

For Valve? Certainly. But with the game itself, it's like watching one of your loved ones being on life support, slowly dying, as the doctors do nothing for "reasons"

[@Mickapicka2]

Don't try For Honor.

[@HumanPerson_final]

It took me a while, but I gave up on TF2 early last year. Valve is going to let this golden goose wither and die. Best to move on rather than give valve *more money for content Valve doesn’t even make.*

[@Bears-Are_Swell]

Stop giving them your MONEY!!!!!

[@SutakunatipInsee]

What's stockholm syndrome

[@Mr_Yahoo]

My friend had his birthday the day before these item server issues, bought a shit load of mvm tickets, and made plans with me that we were going to play the next day. And sure enough the whole story we all know occurs. Valve needs to take action as a corporate entity to end the problems that they started. Hopefully this turns out better soon.

[@Mr_Yahoo]

The relationship that TF2 and valve have is like a father who claims he cares for his kid but refuses to pay child support.

[@Dap1ssmonk]

Valve isn’t a corperation, it’s a privately held company personally owned by Gaben and I think 2 other guys.

[@jaronmarles941]

@@Dap1ssmonk Private corporations exist

[@Mr_Yahoo]

@@jaronmarles941 Thank You!

[@tintouinseul6870]

Valve's inactivity on TF2 made me learn Game design, I spend hours doing things for the community about the game for free, never asked for money, and maaan I feel this. Like it seems that Valve haven't learned that the community is all they've got from TF2. Never stop doing memes, videos and everything, we as a community will remain eternal, we can not let the game die.

[@jaebinsong3078]

A free game can be seriously problem

[@senismarsenis9678]

Big respect 😺

[@OuterOcean6]

That is the problem is that everyone feeds into this schizo we cannot let tf2 die feed volvo mony and hope they do good things for it, now you got years of old aging of things getting worse especially with bots. If the company wants to let a game die then it's not the fans choice, no point of trying to squeeze volvos balls over it.

[@TurbulenceOfficial_]

""""""hero""""""" shooters are really not getting that much attention anymore, valorant is a thing but... its a glorified CS with some overwatch abilities, so really lol (riot games is a joke lmao), Idk... they might make a new team fortress, but the truth is, when they do... the game will likely be completely new, and might even have fem chars in it, which for being good or bad depends on your view, but I see it as a... weird thing, as tf2 is a.... XD... a MAAAANLY GGAAAAMEE.... full of... delicious... uh- anyway--- Aside from that, the game would have very different mechanics, more modern ones maybe, they would likely many demoknigh less fun and most of the wacky machanics as well, but I D K, valve hasn't been the same at all, so I hightly doubt a a tf3 is coming anytime soon...

[@TubeOfLaughes]

​@@TurbulenceOfficial_???

[@FaceLaces]

The fact that you mentioned the idea of hiring the people making these fan community projects really made me realize how ridiculous this all is. Valve is a company that has so much of it's catalogue built upon fan made creations such as TEAM FORTRESS!!! Logically, Valve's handling of the situation (or lack thereof) defies any real logic, I'm suspecting that there is some ulterior motive at play that we don't know about.

[@redcatxb125]

Yea, myguess is they want you to stop playing and buy into their newer titles…

[@plaguewalker2248]

There was no ulterior motive, legally the team didn't have the rights to the tf2 assets at the time. So, the project didn't have any actual blessing by valve. As, stupid as it sounds in their eyes it was theft. From a legal standpoint it's like how gmod has built itself around backporting other content for the most part into the source engine. Them backporting tf2 into source 2 was seen as infringement on their property.

[@LesbianWeedBrownie]

Sorry, but not only was Valve completely justified legally, but also morally. Valve gave modders an inch, devs took it a mile by porting an entire game with assets they don't own into another engine. At that point it becomes a separate game and threatens valve directly by taking away player base / more importantly money. Garry's Mod is a mod, this is not a mod, this is a port.

[@commanderboom2626]

I think our mistake with #SaveTF2 was not keeping up the pressure until Valve actually did something it would have looked even worse not doing anything while it kept on trending, I’d also note that if this were any other company the entire gaming community would be up in arms about it. For some reason Valve seems intent on using up as much of their goodwill as they can.

[@mercenarygundam1487]

THIS IT also shows how pathetic, fickle and hypocritical the TF2 fanbase is nowadays.

[@Bears-Are_Swell]

STOP GIVING THEM OUR MONEY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[@heroninja1125]

No, if it were any other company they would have killed the game already. People at valve do not want to work on team fortress 2 because it's super old and has broken spaghetti code.

[@eatinhoes338]

blud you did not watch the video 💀@@heroninja1125

[@SplarcieRS]

@@heroninja1125 based, code from 14 years ago they dont wanna use, i wouldnt either honestly, probably have to rewrite the whole game in a new engine lmao

[@namenoname3284]

Valve and mojang really had a glowdown in recent years

[@megagamer6985]

I Hope valve fix this issue cuz i dont want TF2 to end like this

[@thecontrollerwolf1585]

Given how the tf2 community is, it's never gonna end

[@Duck-Confused]

Heh Tf2 ending I've heard that before

[@Kroliky_]

both of us know that Valve will do shit about TF2

[@dawid2787]

Soldier: we are not dying we are going to live forever

[@tordoc9817]

Guys I know tf2 is really hard to die. But living with total organ failure isn't better than dying.

[@jbosssenpai3266]

we went #1 trending on twitter 2022, and that didnt do much, 3000 hours in the game knowing its dying hard .... its hard to understand this mix of feeling i feel. loving the community (for most part) loving the game, all the freinds i made along in the journey, the feelings of trying to get good at something and then achieving it.... honestly... idc if this was said millions of times but i miss tf2

[@TheEWGman]

sometimes I just want to get into programming, learn the coding of the game and do something about this and work on the game

[@crispyfries0]

im probably gonna go into programming, and i can definitely relate to u, this is fucking stupid

[@coolepic519]

ill support, ill sub if you work on this so you can get a job portfolio

[@lamartina-dw9mc]

Technically you can make a program to give you all the possible inactive achievements or invalid achievements the bots use to detect other bots so they don't shoot them, but make the script or whatever spam those achievements each second so you don't get targeted as a player by the bots, and ignored by them, the next step would be making that script public

[@TheKing-kd9li]

If you mean working at Valve to make official updates for TF2 then don't bother. It won't work.

[@Omega-jg4oq]

That would take a while and it’s not easy and it’s might not goes well with you, but good luck

[@JazzSicaa]

They also need to release the community fixes already. Everyone was waiting for it when it was announced in the summer update, by far the best thing they announced in the update, but nope. We are still waiting for it and no signs of it coming. Thanks Valve, you truly care about TF2 as much as we fans do.

[@Cozy-Pixel]

Valve needs to do something soon, be it hire passionate fans or just put some resources toward the game or just tell us what is going on. Whatever they do the need to do it soon.

[@virtual_newvegas]

due to the unorthodox way valve works ,the developers working there can freely choose what project to work on, which in the end causes older games to be attention starved, because the devs would rather be a part of a new project like cs2 or hl Alyx than an old 16 year old game

[@biney.moser18]

if its been this long then the developers dont care about tf2

[@BadassHater1]

I've got bad news for you- you're at the very least 5 years too late with that statement

[@TeenWithACarrotIDK]

⁠​⁠@@virtual_newvegas like the video mentioned, that’s gotta be cap. As hard as tf2 source code is, it’s TF2. They definitely actively get people who don’t care or know of tf2 and course their workers into working on newer projects using incentives. However, we won’t know either way until people who work at valve get interviewed or just talked to about. It’s just hard not to be disappointed whenever a company actively makes money off of something they barely touch ever, yet so many people play, and the explanation as to why is “cuz nobody wants to work on it.”

[@ToaKoran]

@@virtual_newvegas "Freely choose" Yeah, no, that's been debunked several times over by now. Anyone that works at Valve is not able to freely choose, they are given the illusion of freedom only to then have their careers put at risk due to the peer review system. Old heads will negatively rate employees not working on the next big thing seen as the new profitable innovation, and as such they are forced to work on the newest thing. There's a reason one person is in charge of TF2 right now despite it being among Valve's top three most profitable games even today.

[@robob4465]

It has gone to the point where some bots wear unusuals,not afraid in the slightest anymore

[@cristianovogt5586]

3:25 Its also important to remember that Valve a while back did a MASSIVE update in Half-Life 1. A game that mind you, was made and works in a even older engine that TF2's one and yet they update it to celebrate its anniversary, something that they have been working on for 3 years, by the way. There's just no argument, no buts, no ifs that you can bring up to defend Valve in this case. Its just pure laziness and negligence on Valve's part in relation to TF2.

[@virtual_newvegas]

the real issue is the way valve works, there is no one man decide who works on what, instead the devs choose what game or project to work on

[@KptKosmit91]

@@virtual_newvegas i thought valve got rid of the "you work on what you want" so they can finally focus on shipping HL Alyx. they couldn't get anything done at all before

[@Megajaybreaker4]

@@virtual_newvegasif they could, there would probably be at least a couple of people at valve headquarters who would work on the game cause they feel bad, but as the comment above mine said, they removed that so they could focus on Half Life Alyx.

[@-RandomStranger-]

Wasnt that because half life turned 25

[@billywayne1007]

I think it was done more so it's a single player game, you didn't have people cry about a bad map or something getting nerfed. But I guess that makes too much sense to KZbin commentors...

[@gameenthusiast3790]

At this point there are people who would help fix it for free if given tools. It is really heart wrenching to see how Valve doesn't care at all.

[@Cheeseburger-fp8xh]

16..? 17 years? I'm pretty sure valve are just trying to kill the game off by now...

[@JayKordichlover]

And we say fuck them

[@Soapetr394]

I have put 5€ in this game for the first time about a week ago. If this game ends in the near future I want the entire valve company as refund

[@insertuserhere1748]

@@Soapetr394me who spent 50 dollars: yea sure ok

[@mono4171]

@@insertuserhere1748 someone recently bought an unusual for like 17 000 dollars lol, sit down boah

[@yuriavtomatkalashnikova3445]

@@insertuserhere1748 Me who spent 5 thousand across two accounts with years of trade

[@beanbaground1]

I like how the scout caught the medic cross bow right in the eye ball while T posing 7:10

[@odyga8330]

They don't even care about cs2. It's one of the best money making machine from valve. I thought that SAVETF2 will help this game.

[@Xeno911]

you think they care they rake all that cash

[@Omega-jg4oq]

They are not even gaming company that makes games anymore, just people enjoying their steam cash cow

[@thatnoname]

They always made their games for profit not only CS or TF2, they just know how to satisfy consumers and make them spend more and more of their cash. TF2 hasn't been taken down yet because it still gives money from gay-ass cosmetic cases. As long as it stays that way, they won't give a shit. *Valve is no longer an indie company, but large evil corporation you shouldn't praise and beg to*

[@odyga8330]

@@thatnoname I know, CSGO, tf2 and dota are money making machines

[@pissedoffbucketguy9115]

We pulled out too soon for save tf2

[@yazidefirenze]

We need to pressure Valve, FORCE them to actually talk with the community. Not just a “we know you’re there!”, we need proper communication, and they need to HIRE SOME FUCKING PEOPLE

[@theshadows1416]

maybe they're focused on something else? who tf knows at this point

[@broom673]

@@theshadows1416 Yeah focused on getting paid by all of the games they sell on their store that they don't have to make.

[@MacMashPotato]

Ill get downvoted for saying this but, that's very over entitled to think you can force a company to do anything.

[@yazidefirenze]

@@MacMashPotato We're on youtube, downvotes aren't real Also it's less "i'm entitled" and more "slight desperation in not having a game i love die"

[@soya_kitchens]

@@MacMashPotato It's not over-entitlement, it's over-confidence, and you seem to lack any of it

[@butters461]

Its so sad that a game with so much power and influence gets left in the dust because valve has not only steam but also CS

[@marcelzed1154]

CS is currently a mess too. A bunch of players dropped it after CS2 raised its system requirements and their potatoes were no longer able to run the game, and those who do play do it with a whole lot of bugs and hackers

[@yuricock]

@@marcelzed1154 true id rather play legacy csgo with bots than buy a better pc for an unfinished game

[@crimsonbranwen]

i quit cs go when they locked leveling up behind a paywall, so to me what was the point of playing it if i couldn't continue to gain items without developing a gambling addiction to crates?

[@butters461]

@@crimsonbranwen just goes to show that the revolutionary, community first, high quality valve from the half life and portal eras is long gone

[@yuricock]

@@crimsonbranwen exactly it was so stupid especially when i paid 12 euro to join an operation only for it to lock my level and say i need to pay another 12 euro to keep my levels

[@foodgood5624]

The issue with the DMCA is that they are actively porting TF2 assets to source 2 and then making it PUBLIC, which garry said they didnt sign the contract to allow valve assets on it Shockers i know when companies are protecting their IP

[@taluca8474]

Yeah exactly, I know a lot of people are upset but here’s the thing. Gmod and Black Mesa are still up because they got permission from Valve to use assets and look how they turned out. Thing is, these projects didn’t seek out permission and plus Nintendo is very nick picky on copyright

[@sevendeadlysquids404]

I think the DMCA take down was justified, but the optimal thing to do would have been to hire those guys to port it. To be fair, I think the notice was probably the second best thing Valve could of done because I think not protecting their IP would be foolish. Honestly, if Valve wasn't so negligent, nobody would have really batted an eye on this and they'd have defenders. But people had hope for the Source 2 mod and Valve is snuffing out that candle without lighting any of their own.

[@ZPigIndustries]

no, stop it, valve BAD OOGA BOOGA CHIEFTAN SHARPEN SPEAR

[@taluca8474]

@@ZPigIndustries lmao

[@xanlord2k]

@@ZPigIndustries are you actually retarded?

[@doctorviper2061]

Im being real I think TF2 is a lost cause because Valve will never fix the bot problem its just a fancy casino to them

[@Not_interestEd-]

Quite the contrary. According to a varying number of people on the internet, Valve themselves have no hand in who works where, or employee reviews. In a nutshell: The longer you work at Valve on any project, the more sway you have when it comes to reviewing peers. Enough bad reviews/negative deductions and you're fired. Cue greedy Senior Devs review bombing anyone working on old projects, essentially forcefully firing them. Any updates we do get are from the passionate people in their free time. If Valve fixed their internal problems, we wouldn't have this issue.

[@jameshendricks9870]

As much as I want to believe that Valve still does care and is trying to change the state of one of, if not their most beloved game by not only the fans but the ACTORS for the characters as well, Its hard to ignore the reality of the situation. At this point all I want is to know If Valve is actually doing anything, not even for just tf2 but just anything in general, they don't really talk about anything and leave all of us in the dark. I feel like you just voiced all of our opinions out whether we wanted to or not, and honestly thank you for just bringing this to light the way you did, cause it makes me remember that there are thousands of people that just want to see this game keep thriving and still love and appreciate what we were given years ago.

[@FrogGuyManThingIt]

Don't apologize for showing frustration or any kind of human emotion, you're on your right to show your disgust towards stuff you don't find fair and such, don't apologize to the internet for not doing wrong, you're just gonna give them a bad habit of cancelling people for expressing themselves.

[@GrannyBender]

On the DMCA/takedowns, I will have to side with Valve. There is a vast difference in how Garry's mod operated and how S&box is operating. Garry's mod was a (mostly ) half life mod that was later developed into its own standalone thing. Valve approached Garry Newman and they reached an agreement to have Valve as the publisher. Garry's mod require you to have a game running on the Source engine in order to work. S&Box is intended to be its own thing, a kind of spiritual successor to Garry's mod running on Source 2. TF2S2 was built in and for S&Box, BUT without the agreement or license to use TF2 models, sounds and especially not to make a 1:1 recreation of it. And about the Portal 64 game: if I'm not mistaken, t's not a DMCA; Valve approached the dev saying "hey, you are using official and unlicensed Nintento libraries, maybe don't do that, Nintendo will come after you", it ACTUALLY is Valve coming to the fanbase to protect them. No idea on what happened with the youtube takedowns tho. I do agree however that TF2 have been left to rot for years now. No one is at the bar, except for some occasional maintenance and bug fixes (I said occasional). Valve have the ressources and the means to work on this game. We don't need a TF3 or a TF2 on Source 2, what we need is updates, maybe some new maps, maybe some new weapons, balancing, but ESPECIALLY getting rid of these damn bots. Will we get this update? Probably not.

[@raxboi8529]

Honestly at this point we have a higher chance with someone with coding experience breaking into valve HQ and making a change to tf2 themself than getting valve actually doing something.

[@hiddendeity5338]

Knowing Valve, after the guy is kicked out, arrested, or fuckin’ killed by Valve themselves. They would take time out of their day to revert the changes made.

[@raxboi8529]

@@hiddendeity5338Yeah

[@driftliketokyo34ftw35]

I’ve got an idea!

[@raxboi8529]

@@driftliketokyo34ftw35 and that is?

[@dumbvillage9253]

​@@hiddendeity5338Valve won't give a fuck even if the guy literally broke the game.

[@zim374]

I think we need more ranting videos from you, you just have quite the voice for that and it's really fun to listen to

[@w3zel787]

As a WarThunder player who has been beyond pissed off with the company and game I love and play, I think its time to review bomb. Gaijin only listened to the player base after we raised absolute hell over the game and them literally making it unplayable for F2P players and even premium players. These multi billion dollar companies only listen now when we hurt their wallets, and since tf2 is one of the biggest online item markets out there I think a bit fat Overwhelmingly Negative on steam will sway their opinion.

[@IdeasAreBulletproof]

Imaingine if we did what Genshin did and Every single Steam Game became Overwhelmingly Negative

[@HaCPaH0]

And if it won't? It's they game hosted on their platform. Depending on what they want they'll either remove the review wave or just keep it that way for good

[@timmythepinky9137]

they have a thing called Steam. Gaijin doesn't

[@BapsStudio]

you are dumb, dumb. They'll just plug it out of its life support

[@Dushess]

@@HaCPaH0 first they starting to remove reviews. at the end of the day they will remove their customers. ANd all remnants of their reputation.

[@cosmicdunsparce]

I logged on yesterday to have some fun on a silly server only to be stuck in stock and just having a relatively unfun time. It was absolutely painful time for a game I truly love and this happening is heartbreaking.

[@Ryxis]

Don’t worry about yelling at all dude, it honestly adds to the message here. Completely valid too

[@selcho8753]

Most sad thing about this is watching the game you grew up on slowly wither away and die because valve no longer cares

[@skifity]

you can hear the genuine anger in his voice, and its truly understandable

[@datdude5707]

It's sad af

[@Talon323]

Honestly tho, the MvM during that little ''event'' was really fun cause normally MvM is very unlock heavy, it was really refreshing

[@cheddargoblin2140]

Valve can tweet that they love the game and the community all they want, but have they even acknowledged when tf2 broke the player records after 12 fking years.

[@Soy_Slushi]

Yeah, Valve doesn't wanna do anything about the bot problem, they have had years on removing them. That's mostly why people play community servers than the actual game.

[@IceKalo23]

#savetf2,Valve should to listen to everyone and to fix the game from the stupid sniper bots

[@otmanbudunt6992]

Savetf2 was a failure....

[@MA78yt]

@@otmanbudunt6992It hasnt failed until it completely stops

[@Omega-jg4oq]

Omg, the sniper bots pisses me off.. they ruined the entire game for everyone and what’s even point of playing the game? I get like 20 death or more every time I encounter a sniper bot

[@otmanbudunt6992]

@@MA78yt THE BOT ISSUE HASNT BEEN FIXED AFTER LIKE 2 AND A HALF YEARS , I DONT THINK ITS GOING ANYWHERE

[@IceKalo23]

@@otmanbudunt6992 with only one TF2 developer left,nothing will happen for the game 😐😑

[@extremis5002]

Honestly, Valve should take some inspiration from the huge success of Sonic Mania. It's widely considered one of the best 2D sonic games and was developed entirely by fans. These devs were known for their work on sonic fan-games. So why doesn't Valve do the same?

[@CallofFreaky]

3:27 I’m 18 and I’ve never even heard of cobol, I think the community’s dedication and fan projects are enough to show that people care about this game, not to mention the player base peak being recently, people’s play hours and people spending so much money on a free game

[@PHoMi126]

It's an old ass programming language so it's very common to unheard of

[@skipperg4436]

Its from 1970-ies.

[@CallofFreaky]

@@skipperg4436 1970s

[@kronicky]

Ye im 18 too and never even heard of cobol

[@doctahjonez]

It's an old ass language from the early 50s. It's only relevant for mainframes and stuff.

[@disappointedcucumber]

The devil shivers when the nice guy loses his temper.

[@mategetsnosleep3612]

Dude. He’s so angry it’s making me feel like **I’m** in trouble.

[@SophieMPalmer]

Something not annoying as bots and item servers being down but still pretty annoying is that free to plays can't use voice lines, chat or voice chat. I had to deal with 3 YEARS of not chatting or even communicating with other players, so when a player told me to do something I can't or is yelling at me, I can't even talk back so I seem like a guy who only thinks about himself. This is fucked (Yes I have bought items so now I can chat but I'm still mad)

[@hiya129]

idk why but i feels good to hear this, straight from the heart

[@GrumpyIan]

To me the old Valve was well and truly gone when they did the Artifact reveal. Fans left and right begging for a new Halflife, a new Portal, etc.. and they released a card game that no one plays.

[@THE_CABERMAN_PRIME]

Valve has all the resources to make tf2 better, and yet the most they give us is a part time employee and community cases every smissmiss I say restart #savetf2 but don't end it until they actually give us something notable. Put Valve in the spotlight again and show the rest of the internet how they treat their game communities. During the next holiday update we could all just upload nothing but bug patches and anti bot features to force through an update and get valve to actually have some responsibility over their own creations. Last time we did #savetf2, valve gave us nothing but a tweet and screwed f2p's over. Now they have made this beautifully constructed game into a pay-to-win, bot infested joke left for dead by its creators This is not the valve that made tf2, portal and half life. This is some billion dollar gaming company that refuses to take responsibility for their own creation and leaves a hundred thousand player strong community to die because they are more concerned with shooting down fan creations than fixing the game that helped their rise to power in the first place.

[@JLT0087]

Steam has been successful enough that Valve doesn't really need to develop, produce, or maintain their own games anymore to make money.

[@refusaki1821]

time to print out all the R34 of TF2's characters and mail it directly to Valve HQ

[@Left4Plamz]

That sounds very funny but couldn't that be ruled as sexual harrassment?

[@refusaki1821]

@@Left4Plamz if you labeled the box repeatedly with 18+ stickers and "Explicit warning" stickers they would think its a joke or have a poor intern open it. But yes according to most states it is, it was mainly a joke and I hope no one does it

[@EliteZer0]

It’s obvious that valve doesn’t want to update this game, that’s fine. But we should really just stop buying keys, hats, and tickets if they feel they don’t want to give us the light of day and see us only as wallets.

[@ihaveadigbick.3785]

If I remember correctly the tf2 servers had some kind of a maintenance in general that's why the item servers didn't work, as for why they didn't notify anyone I think they are trying to solve something that should not be announced publicly. Hopefully the bot problem and other safety stuff. As for the Portal 64 situation, valve didn't took it down. They just recommended the porters to take it down cause they used a Nintendo source code instead of one of the free open source ones. And Nintendo is all about copyright take downs and would've took it down. When it comes to the tf2-source 2 fan project, it makes sense why they would took it down. 1. TF2 still makes money, and they want to keep it that way. 2. They might port the game to source 2 if they think it's not possible to solve the problems with the game (for a game this old it has pretty small amount of problems, the problem is that they are all major problems) or just port it in general in the future. 3. Valve is usually lenient and chill when it comes to projects made from source so if they didn't want someone to make a source 2 port of tf2 they must have a pretty good reason. And the devs probably didn't notify or ask a valve staff if they could do it, cause they probably would've said no but that I don't know for sure.

[@themmemezandgamez451]

To be honest, it feels like a giant temper tantrum

[@gliscornumber151]

Good news, the items are back. So that's something at least

[@TubeOfLaughes]

To be frank I can't help but laugh at the TF2 community at this point. See, I remember how much this community would kiss Valve's ass and would ignore Valves early signs of neglect and outright mocked the players who were calling this shit out years before now. I even remember the TF2 community making fun of the CS:GO community when it was demanding Valve make adjustments to polish their game; "you should just be grateful Valve updates the game" TF2'ers would say. Well guess what? The CSGO players got all the changes they asked for. Even got a full Source 2 port. What do we have? A shitty matchmaking system, a barren server browser, and full spectrum dominance by bot overlords like never seen before. Maybe if the TF2 community had been busier complaining for fixes instead of praising Valve when they didn't deserve it you might have had a functioning game today. Now that you've set the precedent that you can be walked on you may never see this game get repaired. Too bad.

[@unfunniestman]

the worst part is that there are still lots of people who worship everything that valve excretes from its ass into tf2

[@LesbianWeedBrownie]

some of us are newbies and get the short end of the stick lol good to know this info though, def interesting.

[@MocchiDraws]

Sheen this is the 7th week in a row you've brought your final straw with tf2 to class

[@alexnitaly764]

Im so fucking glad i sold my inventory back in the "update-sized update" drama, thats where i understood there's no hope for Valve.

[@CrystalC9]

"saveTF2" in the title Because that totally worked out last time, huh Interstellis? Remember that tweet Valve gave us, and then nothing, so successful.

[@Moonistic]

and that was because we didn't keep the pressure on them after they made the tweet

[@Almanich94]

@@Moonistic what the hell kind of "pressure" do you think you can keep on valve. tweets? they don't care about that. they could not care less about tweets.

[@HandsomeYoungSir]

I feel like valve doesn’t care anymore, it’s embarrassing that a company with literally over $7 MILLION can’t solve one problem, I actually feel like tf2’s death is near #savetf2

[@tyrusing]

as much as i love some unlocks, Stock Week was some of the best fun ive ever had in tf2. hopefully an all stock mode gets added to misc so the fun can continue #savetf2

[@dementiagaming8628]

Hey man, I know how you feel. I may be a super small channel with a couple TF2 videos, but I want to try and make it on this side or KZbin. And the bots mixed with other things just makes me... scared. I've loved this game since I was a kid, and I want to play it and give others the same enjoyment I've felt when I was a kid, watching people dive bomb into crowds, getting 25 kills without breaking a sweat, and just seeing people have fun. But now, I really can't. Bots are everywhere, I can only get an hour long recording per month if I'm lucky, and these bots being everywhere just make it damn near impossible. TF2 will forever be in my heart and soul, and if VALVe won't do anything for it, then I'll work for them. Take my time and work for promotion after promotion, and then I bring back the TF2 that was lost. Gabe's done nothing, so I will. It'll just take time.

[@GuyFromNextDoor]

This is one of the reasons I want to end up working at Valve, so I can have more power to get these issues fixed.

[@aceplante]

Bad news, valve assigns you to whatever project they want, you don’t get to choose

[@GuyFromNextDoor]

@@aceplante I've heard otherwise, are you sure? Also, even if true, I might be able to directly persuade Gabe (Or any other higher-ups) to put me and a few others on fixing TF2

[@m0dze1532]

@@GuyFromNextDoorvalve doesn’t want to hire anyone for tf2.

[@CookTF2]

​@@GuyFromNextDoor You sign an NDA when you work at Valve, but according to few anonymous Valve employees, inside Valve is a very competitive environment. You may be kicked out if you are not seen as a valuable asset. Valve is a flat structure company, but you still need to be profitable. You can observe this as Valve has been microtransaction heavy past 6 years. Artifact collapsed because of it. There is pressure to make profitable games at Valve, which is not why they have a flat model in the first place. They adopted the flat model because of the artistic freedom, which is not observed. Quite contrary, it feels like their office environment is suppressing creativity and freedom and they are stuck in place repeating same ip's and copying (Artifact was basically trying to cater to current highly popular Magic: The Gathering and Hearthstone).

[@chrisanderson6466]

​@@GuyFromNextDoor eh you might just end up making skins for cs2 or Dota 2 if you worked there tbh

[@coolaman5]

I totally get where you're coming from, I've been playing TF2 for over 11 years now and nothing breaks my heart more than to see the game that raised me, the characters who were my childhood heroes being dragged through the mud by assholes with multiple laptops, and even worse the company that once used to outreach to small creators and HELP them with fan projects, now not giving a damn except for the money it brings in. It's so fucking depressing, because sure, TF2 still has players and community servers and whatnot, but you already know nothing is going to change and you have to say goodbye to something you love twice.

[@otmanbudunt6992]

Never expected that a person like you to be so personal about , you really love this game

[@DaMaster012]

An old, now defunct channel called Gaming Wildlife called this over ten years ago: *Valve doesn't want to make games anymore.* Making their own games doesn't make them nearly as much profit as selling other people's games and talking a 33% cut, so now they don't want to do anything unless they see Steam-level dollar signs or they can use it to spin themselves as god-tier inivators and industry leaders, their not going to do it. That's why after almost ten years without releasing a new game, they crapped out the franchise-destroying Half Life: Alyx, to try and make a $1,000 dollar gimmicky peripheral an industry standard. That'd the real reason Half Life 3 will never be made; there is NOTHING Valve can do to make HL3 be seen as "revolutionary" as HL2 (falsely) is, nor as big a money printing factory as skinning The Orange Box into Steam was. Plus there's the dirty truth that no one likes to talk about; some of the worst things that have turned the customer-publisher relationship into a parasitic one were started by Valve. Games as a live service, the death of physical media and property rights in gaming, LOOT CRATES: Valve is responsible for creating all of them. TF2 has most of the most notoriously broken code in existence, perhaps to the point where tinkering with it any further will cause the entire game to collapse, and they're most scattered about how bad that will make them look. But the more likely answer is they just don't care. They see fixing the problem as costing more money than it's worth, so they're not going to do it. Valve aren't just filthy rich, there miserly. The only thing they really care about is Steam. They could shut down the TF2 servers tomorrow, and they wouldn't care, because what are you going to do; stop using Steam entirely in protest? That's the only thing that would make Valve move to take definitive action; if the monsters responsible for the TF2 bot crisis launched such an attack on Steam... _hint hint..._

[@digitalpixels471]

i love this game but the way valve treats it makes me feel like i'm loving something that will be purposely killed

[@willyhoo2946]

Summer of 2022? That wasn't THAT long ago-- [606 days.]

[@atomic...]

It would be so fucking disheartening to see the game I dreamt about playing as a kid, the game that proved to me that online multiplayer can be fun, the game with amazing characters, music, art style, the game I willingly play because it's FUN, to be just thrown to the curb and forgotten but just barely kept alive to make money of it. If this is what valve is now, leaving there games to die while they take down fan projects that keep the game there based on relevant while they pump absolute crap cosmetics into the game, they can fuck themselves. SaveTF2 my fucking arse.

[@Blackandfan]

2:20 A bunch of companies do not notify users when older servers are down, its usually just the most recent ones.

[@me_Pman]

Valve make great game,but don't give a fuck about the game get update just for money Sadly thats kinda true😢

[@SirTriton]

You know originally I thought about the economic side of this problem where valve doesn’t really make enough money off this game to warrant it being fixed. But now that I think about it and i’ve done some research that’s just a load of horseshit. I guarantee you there are people out there who will fix the entirety of this game, for free, no questions asked. Also they make way more money then they could possibly need to upkeep what they have in place. They could fix the game, no problems with money, no problem with anything else, but they just don’t. It’s just corporate neglection and it’s absolutely frustrating to see a gem not getting its shine because the one who has it doesn’t polish it.

[@xenovenomzillathesymbiote1681]

Nice work Valve. Thanks to your efforts, we still have bots, DMCA Fan stuff, and now we are stuck in 2007

[@BluuAsterik4738]

A few days ago, I was in a 2fort server with one random guy, it was just a 1v1, but after the match ends, 1000 bots join and kick us both out.

[@willyhoo2946]

Invite him to your wedding.

[@BluuAsterik4738]

@@willyhoo2946 I wish I could.

[@geraldysjunk]

The most communication we’ll probably get on this is an unofficial email response from Eric Smith. Mark my words

[@MS6InvaderCommander]

Honestly at this point I'm just of the opinion that Valve should sue people who host bots. Might as well put those lawyers and Cease & Desists to use.

[@BotBobfromcsgo]

It's fixed now

[@MythicTF2]

I'm still hoping that the recent DMCA takedown means that Valve is planning on porting TF2 to source 2 like they did with CS. They did the same thing with CSource2 in S&Box and back then that DMCA request it also seemed very out of the blue. Probably not but I feel like the Source 2 port would be the biggest reason they've gone to actually no effort to fix the glaring issues, like the item servers.

[@MythicTF2]

@domehead6422 Yes, I'm aware of that, but there's no way Valve never heard about it until just now after the development on it has been postponed indefinitely. They did the same thing with the S&Box remake of CSGO, which is why I'm hoping its for similar reasoning. Legally, they are completely within their right to take it down, there's no question about it.

[@UnusualSandvichTF2]

I recommend you play TC2 for the time being. So you don’t need to make videos with bot, and broken item servers. I love your content, man.

[@murilo_the_lilo9947]

Tc2 mentioned jumpscare

[@UnusualSandvichTF2]

@@murilo_the_lilo9947 😱

[@Mate_Antal_Zoltan]

bro it's a fucking 17 year old game, most multiplayer games don't even stay alive for a quarter of that time

[@swiss_prince4056]

Can‘t we sue Valve for false advirtisment because they are negleting their games?

[@CrysisFear]

Valve stopped being Valve when they stopped making games. Turns up adding gambling to your games while selling other made games with a 30 percent cut is more profitable. (Also fun fact the sole reason why PC games stopped released as physical media)

[@dogo7002]

In recent years Valve has kind of abandoned the video game part and gone all in on Steam and their bigger projects, like the Valve Index awhile ago and recently the Steam Deck. They are much more focusing on the general audience than their fans, people have been begging for Half Life 3 and for them to support their games, like tf2. As someone who is pretty new to tf2, I never got to experience any big updates when Valve was updating pretty frequently, and I've only seen Valve give up on this game, yet it's my favorite game, that's just how inviting and fun the game is. I just hope they never completely give up on it.

[@daviddimitrov3696]

Yes thank you! Vlave always keeps ignoring the TF2 community! Last time i played i was jusg trying to have fun with people and then im sent to an empty server with like 3 or 4 people tops then the server was infested with bots! And im tired of Valve neglecting us

[@0verl0rdPr0duction5]

I wish value could be straight up for once instead of raido silence

[@HoneeyMoth]

ok so valve didn’t take down portal 64, valve *advised* the person who made it to take it down due to them using nintendo’s libraries and didn’t want the creator of portal 64 to have and try to fight nintendo and for tfs2, they just straight up asset ripped, which they shouldn’t have done so that’s why they got taken down

[@shapeswitch_mood7221]

Odd that he doesn't acknowledge that, and instead use not much researched events to fuel his hatred for Valve. It is a shame...

[@CoriandertheIridescent]

A part of me wants to believe that Valve's takedown of the Source 2 port of TF2 is going to be like what they did with CS2, but another part of me knows that Valve just had a change in the higher-ups, and that person thinks fan projects are hemorrhaging them thousands of dollars everyday the projects stay up.

[@WhatIsTheHeat]

Nah they shut down source 2 port because the team behind it is making a 1:1 remake of the game in source 2 mainly using valve’s assets without permission which isn’t allowed according to valve. Makes sense why it was taken down. “The original copyrighted work is Valve's game Team Fortress 2 ("TF2") The TF2 assets have been ported to Source 2 without permission and are being redistributed by Amper Software in a game mode for Facepunch's S@box. Facepunch has not licensed any Valve assets for S@box. The unauthorized porting and redistributing of Valve's assets without a license violates Valve's IP.”

[@Sillimant_]

@@WhatIsTheHeatkeeping it up would be a massive boon for public goodwill towards valve. The correct decision is not always the right decision. Valve needs to understand it's the community that's kept the game alive, not valve. Valve owes the community at this point

[@EmmetsPage]

TF2: Season OG is going crazy though

[@SantiagoHatchet]

I've had this very same discussion in LazyPurple Discord servers... It ended with "Get used to it, or go to Community Servers, or leave the game."... Because "You'll end up getting more frustrated trying to get a solution", yeah, I get frustrated due to the sheer apathy Valve AND most TF2 """fans""" are showing, and how frustratingly easy the solutions are... Also, finally someone says the very same argument I did: "Hire someone to track down the bot devs and take them down", "They earn BILLIONS" and "This game still produces money from cases and keys being updated every several months"... FINALLY someone agrees! Also... isn't the botting issue the equivalent of causing DoS/DDoS attacks towards TF2? Which is, you know... *ILLEGAL*? Valve should've done something to fix the DDoS, but instead they did a horrible Nintendo impression combined with their typical Valve's Signature apathy towards TF2 and a couple of passion projects. Sorry about the "text wall" but after yesterday's discussion in this server fell on deaf ears, you're not the only one salty about it...

[@solidzaku2]

If buying isn't owning, piracy isn't stealing. Screw Valve. The source code's been out for quite a long time. It's time to just cut them off completely and play the game we want to play, regardless if Valve cries about it. Put the servers in a country Valve can't (or can't easily) touch. Ping might be a slight problem, but at this point, I think people would rather deal with lag than Valve. There was never any saving TF2. The only option is to #PiraTF2

[@lordsmostautisticangl]

y'know shit's so fucked when the guy who's always happy, silly and laughing all over the place gets in a ZestyJesus mood

[@Fel1xF7W]

this is the first video i've seen from this guy

[@MatterOrNot]

well at least we in South America servers are safe, it also has bots but has waaaay less than the North America servers.

[@poggerspro]

In skial community servers u can use items from their custom chat selection thingy that allows u to pick any weapon even when u don't have it

[@cheese1008]

At this point I might as well write a strongly worded letter in chalk in front of valve. Let them know a disgruntled customer is close and angry.

[@dudy_dude]

i understand your anger, i love this game but valve sucks for not doing sh*t since 2017

[@GuretoSefirosu]

I never got into TF2. When TFC became TF1.5 it became less fun, but still enjoyable. When TF2 came out, we started doing Unreal Fortress. We still play it and have working servers. Heck we play DOS games using IPX at times. Why they cannot fix this stuff is beyond me. While not a TF2 player, this sucks. TFC really opened up as genre that started with Quake Fortress. Good luck with it!

[@miko_44miko85]

Yep sounds like tf2

[@thegreatlemmon7487]

i gave up on tf2 the moment the bot came, like im not gonna lie, if you spent $1000 on a free to play game, you played yourself. becuse those will servers go down eventually, and you wasted your money overall, also the game from 2007, like it amazing that its still alive. but its time to accept the fact, the game coming to a end, ya gotta aceppt all good things like all thing, come to a end, and tf2 is no diffent

[@Fremek]

As an tf2 and pvz gw2 and gw1 player i feel too much pain seeing all games i love being abandoned

[@yoshicraft6470]

A fellow PVZ GW1 player? Nice

[@Fremek]

@@yoshicraft6470 tak nwm czm to po angielsku napisałem lol

[@poyloos4834]

I mean, they’re really old games. Everything gets abandoned eventually. Be glad the games had such a good streak

[@Megajaybreaker4]

TF2 done got the GW1 classic game mode applied.

[@yoshicraft6470]

@@Megajaybreaker4Lol

[@harryfromhardtime7397]

this makes my really sad its like they are corrupting my childhood :/

[@SolidusCurncer]

You just cant let go, can you?

[@Random-Guy328]

Welp, this sucks

[@HEXPO]

that video Shounic posted really helped me understand how volvo felt about the cheaters/bot situation.

[@ninjamasterbuilder8675]

Yeah probably why I'm not playing tf2 until Valve fixes this, also why is Valve being Activision on ignoring their old games

[@_the_spy_8867]

Finally, some normal dude actually telling people about how bad the Valve has became. People hope for any major updates about 7 years now, they have HOPE at least. But hope does nothing in solving issues. If Valve shuts off TF2, we could very possibly sue them, because Items that we've bought, time we've spent would not be a thing anymore. And lawyers won't help them, because Valve didn't stop the transactions gounf, didn't stop adding Community-made Content and they did not say, that "We're no longer updating TF2". So they have a responsibility to get things done, just as they did recently with Half Life 1. We have like the BIGGEST Community out of all Valve's games if not including Half Life 2. On my opinion, we should make another TF2 Protest, but not as peaceful one, as before. We won't hurt anybody(i think), but we would tell the world, how shitty the Valve company is actually. We need something or someone to lead whole Community and say it. We need more popularity among the people, i think Social Media would be enough for Valve to notice. And if bots are such issue that cannot be solved right now, why devs cannot just GIVE US something to deal with them? A Balance Updae would be enough to make Sniper not much of an issue but at the same time, not pissing off all Sniper mains at once. With that said, here's a site of a Rebalance Server made by TF2 KZbinr _"Fish-Stick-On-A-Stick"_ if you want to see the ideas about that update: 74.91.126.159/ But overall, we need a Revolution. We've been patient for too long, the time to raise has come, we need to make not only Valve notice us. Maybe I'm being to bumb and dramatic here, but i love this game, it's my childhood, i don't want it to fall apart by some incompetent mf who thinks he can keep milking an abandoned project for money, not like that...

[@Dushess]

Agreed, this gone too far.