TF2s Hacker Problem Is Out Of Control...

[@MrMiguel211]

Aww he still thinks the danger's shield protects against snipers 😭

[@Sniper_TF2_REAL]

Lol he hasn’t played in a while

[@kooz8279]

Dare I say, we must protect Muselk at all costs!

[@wesselvanharrewijn3082]

grandpa isnt with the times

[@Stoneley]

that's actually kinda cute

[@The24thWight]

It's fucking adorable.

[@Homerboy44]

Megascatterbomb managed to get a database of them, a major host got arrested, and another got bored and left. The bot users are desperate to ruin the entire game since people have been taking actions against them, passively and aggressively. Keep it up.

[@apurpledragon]

Wait a bot hoster got arrested? Who did?

[@Yousie6]

Any source on the arrest?

[@Phantom-ws2hj]

@@Yousie6 i think if you just search tf2 bot hoster arrested itll show up. they got arrested for cp or smthing like that

[@IONProd]

@@apurpledragon [ACP] Dashie. He got arrested for having Cheese Pizza

[@Jeff-yz1wx]

just goes to show that bot hosters and cod points enjoyers are cut from the same cloth

[@PiustheIX]

Wait, at the start he put on the danger shield…does he not know that it only gives fire resistance now?

[@parsakondori]

He hasnt properly played the game since like 2016 cut him some slack

[@stuff9680]

​@@parsakondoriNo he played when Jungle Inferno dropped and he uploaded a couple TF2 videos after that

[@leononline8291]

He knows its just a joke at this point

[@redtpc8194]

@@leononline8291the weapon? Because it’s actually a great way to deal with the scorch shot

[@acynique8029]

respect the wwb andrewsarchus profile picture

[@smaraldus]

Sad to see that Australian servers turned into megascatterbomb harassment squads. Shows that they are afraid of him

[@hcolluccm]

I play in the aussie severs, i can't go one game without a bot.

[@ReshyShira]

I find it funny that the bot hosters are advertising an anti-cheating service.

[@Kaiserboo1871]

Why do I get the feeling that the vast majority of hackers and bots on Australian servers originate almost exclusively from China.

[@TrebleSketch]

@@ReshyShiraIt can be both a potential advertisement but also as a way to direct casual players who don’t know what’s going on to harass MSB’s Discord too 😅

[@SilencePandaa]

@@Kaiserboo1871 yeah i hate to say it but even in League you get some Chinese scripters selling their scripts or Chinese boosters selling their boosting service.

[@nean9894]

I know tf2 doesnt change much but man it must have been a WHILE since muselk booted up this game if he thinks the danger shield will save him from bullets

[@OwO_Azalea]

Glad to see you back from your long tf2 break, too bad that tf2 has been overrun by bots for a few years now, us tf2 players have to keep retaliating against them, but most people play casual anyways apart from the newest players. Hope to see more tf2 content soon, love your stuff.

[@swayamkuckreja]

ya exactly :)

[@TELE.GRAM_MuselkGames]

Hey, I've a surprise for you 🎉✍️

[@RhythmOSauce]

Didn't know Valve implemented a secret MVM gamemode

[@cosmo7194]

Yeah, machine vs machine

[@menaatefadly]

You know what an actual fun bot fight that isn't mvm is? Uncletopias 1000 engie servers those are gaddamn fun and can help with sniper aiming skills too

[@vodkawhisperer3923]

Yeah but did you know about real secret endless mvm mode?

[@banana12216]

Yeah its called a "australian server"

[@dspeg3095]

when i said i wanted a mvm update i didn't mean this :/

[@LoneHermit]

That Danger Shield equip tho... Has it been THAT long since Muselk left TF2?

[@DyslexicGamer]

You know what's beautiful? Playing on Spineyard and watching the mobster skeletons execute the bots as they stand there and do nothing! Also on zombie mode when there the zombies and if you don't have your melee out they just stand around and do nothing because they can't attack you. And to be honest I only had problems with bots at the beginning and at the end of scream fortress this year with 90% of my games being bot free

[@joemommaoramma7090]

hey just a tip, most people blur out the bot's names and links they post so that they can't get any publicity, just a tf2 thing.

[@DrCranium]

That's a double-edged sword: with blured nicknames other players wouldn't be able to learn the "nicknames to immediately votekick", especially - if the names sometimes change. Same logic (to a lesser extent) applies to links: sometimes it is possible to report hacker to the service that hosts hacker's landing page/channel/server for wannabe-cheaters and get it deleted.

[@namethefifth7315]

​@@DrCraniumexpet it is easy to figure it out. They don't exactly try to hide it

[@taureon_]

megascatterbomb is an anticheat dev that angered the bot hosters

[@tayzonday]

This is clearly just Half Life 3

[@somakrd]

alr

[@Dr.Freeman...]

Nuh uh

[@Hussain_144]

Yep

[@-YELDAH]

This ain't it chief

[@virus0master]

Better sing chocolate rain to make the bots go away

[@zvalex3539]

Come. On. Valve... After how many years in development; inserting meme, etc etc.... Valve please... I can't keep hoping any more when there's nothing to hope for Love you Muselk, happy to see you always play

[@not_arab.]

Valve:😃👍

[@fireclaw9602]

The spiritual successor to 'Muselk vs Hacker'!

[@StickMaster500]

Halloween is truly the spookiest time of the year if stuff like this keeps happening

[@timeimp]

This is why Community servers are so much better. Stick with the community servers Muselk! (And its SO GOOD to see you back in TF2!)

[@Rat_Fบcker]

unless you live in SEA then it hopeless the number of casual comunity server is abyssmal and either always full or don't have anyone at all even casual macth making take som time to find a room

[@Alimarix]

most of the community servers are garbage. toxic admins, laggy severs, paywalled features, bloated downloads, etc. plus they're all hosted by like the same 3 websites

[@Rat_Fบcker]

@@Alimarix yeah community server performance is hot garbage

[@ReiCaixa]

@@AlimarixThe only good Community server is Uncletopia. Where the Scouts and Engis are buffed like FUCK without bullet spread...

[@SaintRedFox]

oh yeah community servers, the same thing valve killed

[@doestf2videos]

I can't believe people have to tell new players there's bots, like there's razor blades in candy

[@GIJasonD]

I wish you would post this on your main page so it could potentially get more views to really help get this problem out there. Absolutely love seeing you back and loving the game again!

[@AlligatorSauce9984]

I do really hope these two become a dynamic duo.

[@menaatefadly]

I think they have become a dynamic duo The old crazy master And the young snarky pro

[@aehrol46]

i would appreciate a Muselk-Tava comeback tbh

[@HostileMustache]

@@aehrol46 now that's a name i haven't heard in years

[@Sizzyl]

By fine-tuning your map selection (and also playing on USA servers) you can limit hacker [these are BOTs not hackers btw, there's 0 human input beyond starting a script] lobbies to around 1/5 games. It's been a lot more manageable this Halloween.

[@MrxD-cg5xs]

EU player here, I actually haven’t seen a single bot this halloween yet. Doesn’t mean there are none of course, but it is manageable.

[@enderlp9666]

solution to bot problem: become a european

[@Sizzyl]

@@MrxD-cg5xs lucky man. I at least haven't seen any while I queue with friends, so that's something.

[@l_Dash]

​@@SizzylWhat about cheaters? There's a LOT.

[@Sizzyl]

@@l_Dash it's rare that I see cheaters. so far across all of scream fortress I only ran against 1 set of human cheaters (a 6 stack)

[@thelivingglitch1371]

Hackers deserve their human rights to be revoked. I don’t care, because neither do they. I feel so bad for Muselk for having to suffer through this shitshow.

[@redstonewarrior0152]

I think they should have their toenails revoked with a rusty spoon.

[@thelivingglitch1371]

@@redstonewarrior0152 That too

[@thelivingglitch1371]

@dedhorse5720 No. I’ve lost my patience with hackers.

[@SnackGuy2Star]

Seeing Muselk genuinely playing tf2 again is actually incredibly heartwarming

[@-sk8-437]

it's so nice seeing people go through what we went through back in the darker times.

[@FaustV1]

I think thats an Aussie problem. I've been playing for weeks now and haven't encountered bots or hackers, seems like they fixed the issue.

[@ReshyShira]

This group certainly is, as they're named Megascatterbomb, one of the cheater archival tools based in australia.

[@the_redpyro4906]

It most definitely is not fixed. Some regions might have less, but even inn USA servers I've run into them multiple times today. Fortunately people are usually good at kicking them so they don't get enough vetoes to take over a server

[@snaketf2181]

In Europe it happens but only on Harvest and its not that bad. We get rid of them pretty fast and the other 99% of maps I play on never ever have bots.

[@xCapetf2]

​​@@snaketf2181depends on the time as well, morning, afternoon and nighttime is hell

[@feralmonarch]

yeah, i occasionally connect to aussie servers and ive only seen bots there

[@cheesysealAnon]

There needs to be an unusual sniper rifle skin that is a World War 2 Fighter theme with every sniper/or bot you kill without dying adds a tally mark to the body of the rifle like Aces did when they count their kills.

[@unclemanbun]

I will always love the Muselk + elmaxo arguing old married couple thing 😂

[@NickYea]

Thank you for making this video Muselk I've been frustrated with Australian Mid-day TF2 casual lobbies for the last 2+ weeks I want to do my halloween contracts, but cant The only playable time is weekened days now. There seems to be no real discussion about this that I could find I went to a bunch of community forums and no-one seems to care much the way it is I guess

[@hoopa8932]

Take a shot every time muselk says “FAR OUT!”

[@TBF2001]

The bot coding isn’t necessarily bad, the issue is decay because there are multiple bots running on one machine

[@Sniper_TF2_REAL]

Yeah, this guy is a botter

[@D-S-G.]

@@Sniper_TF2_REAL 💀

[@CannyBow]

knowing how bots and servers work doesnt necessarily mean they are a bot host

[@Sniper_TF2_REAL]

@@CannyBow it’s a joke lol

[@Justin-rt7yp]

There trash

[@greasehardbody4018]

I appreciate you still railing on Valve for this. What they've done to this game is disgusting-hearing from a KZbinr who hasn't forgotten that is a welcome dose of sanity.

[@lightweight-tf2]

When you hit failure, your workout has just begun.

[@Razcraz_]

im glad someone is finnaly covering this on youtube

[@kayoh9364]

The funny thing is, in the new Zombie mode they barely even do anything. A zpmbie heavy can just walk up and kill them, and a zombie hacker sniper doesnt know how to spit. Still gotta kick them or theyll take over though.

[@redstonewarrior0152]

And preferably before the blu team becomes mostly bots. You kinda just have to wait out the wave if that happens and try and kick them immediately when the next round starts lest they go on a rampage immediately kicking whatever poor souls see themselves getting moved to the opposing team.

[@fifaisscripted]

I swear, by now the bots are just a minor inconvenience. The main problem are human cheaters that don't get kicked because the majority of players can't identify them or refuse to listen to the other team

[@georgemccartney8906]

From what I've seen so far, the best strategies are either sentry spams or splash damage from explosions

[@Fatmagic]

Damn, the Aussie servers are getting it bad now. For a while I heard that it wasn't as bad over there as it is in NA

[@FizzBirdMan]

this started happening the other day for me. servers filling up with sniper bots. ours were called something about cupcakes and pinkypie

[@unlimited202]

And this is after the massive "ban" (It forced every account to have some sort of verification and so on, used to know more about it but have since forgotten the specifics) wave that capped some of the bot crisis. There was also an arrest and some hosts just not doing the verification, etc. SO this is post major bot crisis tf2, unfortunately you can see how much that ban wave did overall. However its much much better than it was during that recent dark time. Megascatterbomb sadly being a newer host should also be mentioned.

[@205badger3]

I went into suijin server and saw the same thing, full of bots from both teams standing on the point. Degroot keep and mannpower are my sanctuaries from this menace.

[@sirspeedy9006]

I saw megascatterbomb in an uncletopia server once. He was a really chill guy and it was good to see the abuse from the hackers wasn't getting to him too badly. I'm happy to see people like him who have the knowledge, resources, and will to help out our community.

[@victor-hw7gv]

Wdym hes chill? He hosts thousands of bot in australia. All tge bots hace his name!

[@KimvyKinsley]

@@victor-hw7gv The bots are not his lol

[@grfrjiglstan]

Whenever the server I’m on kicks all the bots, I type in the chat: “You’ve beaten them all…for the moment. Now, get to an upgrade station.”

[@VaultInteractive]

A few times in NA servers, ive had the worst luck and have been in servers with 22 bots. Needless to say its not just Australia.

[@RegalRoyalWasTaken]

that "FAR OUT" scream is so visceral

[@thisismynameucannottakemyn5859]

So far, they are still not to bad compared the programming they had in 2020. The best form of killing them now is through vac medics, soldier and demo combos and engineers, (sniper with machina in a very specific situation). Avoid them at close range, keep at mid range where they get stuck in a state choosing to pull their knife out or their rifle, preventing charged shots. Have at least 4 to 5 engies to circle a perimeter and have them close to each other. (preferable 2 at spawn). Demoman can be used to launch at a point (quickie launcher can be used to launch at point from other side of map bc they don't shoot stickies anymore). Battalions backup is crucial in case you run out of vac ubers and you need to push, and works even better paired with the buff banner if used at same time. Coordination no matter how bad the bots can be are the key to murdering them, Valve may be neglecting us but that doesn't mean we don't have the tools to deal with the scumbags. They feel much worse to deal with now bc most people still after 3 years of bots do not know how to keep track of a vote, call one or even check who is getting voted. In reality tho they don't have the same programming, and have from my experiences and observations anyway, downgraded, they used to shoot stickies and travel more in groups, making them harder to kill, most now roam separate trying to catch people off guard but a good coordinated team can handle it well. Most can't even instant headshot as often as they used to, and only some bots votekick others instead of all, they also list constant disconnect and reconnects before they actually enter the match, giving considerable time for both teams to prepare, and to either kick them, leave, or sit it out, or outright make them easier than an actual advanced mvm match. tldr: coordination, communication, and proper weapon loadouts are key to victory.

[@OryanStargazer]

or here me out on this, we dont let up on savetf2 and keep pushing until all the bots are gone. instead of being satisfied with the band-aid fix valve gave us.

[@Zoraxon]

Big fan of the TF2 content, and the consistent Elmaxo collabs. Fun stuff, wasn't very aware of him beforehand

[@yeeoof1995]

this whole series is like strange man in a strange land. dude in modern tf2 rockets his way

[@Catilena1890]

I quit TF2 and sold off my backpack a long ass time ago because of these hackers. Part of me had considered starting over, but this video has convinced me I made the right decision.

[@whythehandletho]

if you do wanna join, dont go on halloween servers and if you are in a bot filled lobby. go engi with a level 3 sentry gun close to the point

[@Catilena1890]

@@shawnwilson8289 Yeah I think I spent close to 2 grand over the course of my 7 year career (I made back 3 when I sold my backpack, so I came out in the green) and it just, broke my heart that as time went on, Valve pulled out more and more and I couldn't do anything to stop the bots. I loved this game so much and it hurts to see it in such a sad state.

[@Kevbo2040]

Poor Muscle K. He's trying so hard to get back into TF2 and Valve's sheer laziness, ineptitude, and greed is just out of control. Makes me feel bad for him.

[@ShannonMC103]

FINALLY more TF2 Muselk lessgoooo

[@HyperEwok1]

Philip K. Dick could not have written a more perfect irony of 'robots on opposing sides ruthlessly kill the opposing humans but don't attack each other'

[@mr.jackpot9146]

Can we just appreciate the guttural “Fuck!” He let out near the beginning. TF2 really brings out the Australian in him

[@irismarin8613]

The best thing about the seasonal event maps is that when they're up the bots leave all the regular maps more or less alone

[@alexsp4853]

I had a game with 7 snipers yesterday. All players, all of them bad, none of them huntsman. The beauty of the Sniper hivemind, portrayed by human vs the hellspore of a bot collection

[@ReiCaixa]

Problem is they're starting to crash the servers if you try to kick them. Some are crashing the game of everyone in the server, then you re-join and they're still there. If you find one of those you're better off stop searching for that Halloween map for the day.

[@Candyskill]

the bots issue will probably never be fixed whatsoever

[@Pipi_Gaeming]

i saw it happen, one second i was enjoying a spooky game and the second i just saw 5 bot snipers wandering around killing eachother and stuff, it scared me how they would always appear

[@vin_ty]

Huge respect to megascatterbomb, he managed to get the attention of bot hosters and now they fear him 😂

[@victor-hw7gv]

Wdym? Hes a bot hoster, you can see bots with his name in the video.

[@vin_ty]

@@victor-hw7gv that's what bot hosters MAKE you think. The first major botwaves had fatmagic bots after people started making fake allegations against him. Same with other tf2bers or influencers

[@victor-hw7gv]

@@vin_ty i saw proof on discord

[@KimvyKinsley]

@@victor-hw7gvhave you even met the real megascatterbomb?

[@victor-hw7gv]

@@KimvyKinsley yes, why?

[@azote339]

"Cats are silly!" (kicked immediately)

[@Bozo_TF2]

Elmaxo and muselk are going to become one of the greatest tf2 duos. Kinda like the modern star and jerma

[@puzzlepuddles6712]

it's not a muselk video if he doesn't have 5 whole pages of smg skins AND he chooses to equip the danger shield

[@skurneha7163]

it really wouldnt surprise me if there are servers out there that are only filled with bots fighting each other for eternity

[@Snya3]

This video is like equivalent to saying the sky is blue

[@blacklight683]

I got pretty lucky i havent seen a bot yet even after over 30games

[@davidmacdonald1855]

Ive found lately the time of day matters a lot when it comes to the bot experience. Playing in the morning or afternoon the servers are over run and impossible to play. Playing at night though its a totally different experience. Pretty much bot free, no need for any kick votes at all. I think the problem is there are so many maps people are spread out across a lot of servers. With more people playing at night we are able to handle them better. Just wish Valve didnt leave it up to us to deal with them.

[@komi_shouko_]

Now on casual, 2fort is full of hacker snipers no matter how many time you join in…

[@mcornthwaite]

its not just halloween, its EVERY.SINGLE.CASUAL SERVER, CTF, CONTROL POINTS PAYLOAD, ETC.,, We're fucked

[@davidmacdonald1855]

The size of the green line tells you how many people are playing that map? 8 years in and I learn something new about tf2 all the time:)

[@timbor3882]

So i've played like 15 maps this ScreamFortress, and I've managed to find like only 3 bots, nowhere near this amount that I see in the video...

[@humanbeing418]

I'd like to see him play Zombie Infection mode before halloween is over.

[@Wicked_Fox]

I haven't played in years (since 2018) so I didn't experience ANY of this. Im thinking about reinstalling it but I have a few questions about the bots: - Will the bots give my PC viruses, malware, hack it, etc. - Will the bots hack my steam account? - What exactly does the bots do besides aimbot and spam? -Which maps and servers are safe to play on? - Are community servers save from the bots or is it worse?

[@willyhoo2946]

1) No. Don't click their links or interact with them at all and you'll be fine. :) 2) No. Again, just don't interact with the account. 3) They also kick human players and vote "no" to other bots being kicked. They can crash servers, cause lag, etc. 4) Seasonal maps are often swarmed, but keep searching for a workable one. During seasonal events, main maps are less swarmed. Any map can be botted, Harvest is popular for bots. Special modes (DeGroot Keep, etc) are less popular with players, so bot-hosters don't bother. 5) Community servers are safe. People often say to flee to community servers in this time, but as someone who prefers the convenience of casual, and vanilla Valve server styles, it's not really an option for me. Supposedly there are vanilla Valve community servers as well.

[@LordRemiem]

Something I usually do is (depending on the map) putting a sentry in a choke point, spam stickies while hidden... or Bonk and run at them to perform the Home Run taunt :)

[@GabrielRighteousJudgeOfAll]

Take a shot every time he says 'Far out'

[@billnye7323]

This is why I only play 24hr Community 2fort and Turbine servers.

[@NPCInsanity]

Why did my eyes first gravitate to the name Mönkey in the thumbnail?

[@Nerdy.Eddy65]

I love that hopwell catthew is a big enough personality where he’s being used as clickbait

[@alexsp4853]

I wish to remind you that the Person, responsible for hosting the Omegatronic and Hexatronic Bots was arrested this year for possession of child po*****aphy

[@tango5thetargeted73]

and thus, the resistance begins

[@DelphanGruss]

It's a dark fuckin' day for TF2.

[@minimalgrammar1276]

Even after all these years, Muselk has got to be like the one guy who could straight up defeat a fully botted lobby.

[@RickYRageRiss]

Elmaxo's "Donuts but only my voice" remix coming when?

[@yoga3740]

On what server are you? Because when i,m playing in Europe servers it like 2 game out of 50 that have bots.

[@mooseeggstf2]

Really interesting to see Elmaxo become the new Tava of the current Muselk Expanded Universe

[@DeonTheDragon]

Tf2 sniper mains : Sniper's headshots mechanic can't be that broken right? Tf2 Sniper Bots : (*music spam*)

[@77Myke.]

Im so glad that I managed to complete all my halloween contracts before the horde of bots in every halloween maps :))

[@Kitmaw999]

I played some casual lately and there no games without hexatronic or omegatronic bots 💀

[@anodyne-4736]

Muselk saving every server, one bot at a time Muselk vs Machine

[@BlueCodingStudio]

bro just ascended. he made bots ragequit.

[@Siopc]

this reminds me of the og muselk badwater video against a hacker. Jeez, mustve been 2015 or even before

[@UrVidaGameMum]

Again? Good to have you back Mr. Muselk.

[@Small_child_punter]

I imagine its as simple as removing or autobanning some mechanism in the code that only bots would really make use of. I know theres SOMETHING like that somewhere.

[@tessfairfield6435]

I commend your sacrifice. I’m just glad to have TF2 muselk back

[@inahara7937marcus]

I literally have a Scottish Resistance I only use for bots, as they don't shoot sticky bombs.

[@yourguide0]

I've seen a bot switch to demo to deal with my sentry

[@Berwin1441]

I thought blud was tweakin, puttin on the danger shield. Its really been a while

[@thepimpedlink9578]

Muselk: Why are there so many? Everyone else: first time?

[@CookieGoddess]

fun fact: you can build a sentry and the bots would just walk right infront of it

[@iroquoisv]

depends on the placement bc the sniper bots will just shoot it down

[@CookieGoddess]

@@iroquoisv basically all halloween maps, any corners will do as long its not trying to kill a sniper from across a map.

[@honkhonk8009]

I think this is only for halloween. Bots are nonexistent in the normal servers. I actually thought the bot crisis stopped for a second lmfao.

[@GamingSpider115]

3:24 not just that, they seem like to be in couraging the situation

[@unrevoked7137]

its so adorable how muselk still thinks the danger shield has bullet resistance like it was before jungle inferno, those were the days 😭

[@averagegamer8086]

I’m happy muselk has returned and is actually having fun, even when there is hackers

[@maricorandjeffypilan]

Mvm be like but there's no robots but there's sniper bots disguised as a sniper with all of it