TFE Challenge #3 - Which Side Can Predict Distance Between Meridians?

[@CriticalThink]

Thanks for the shout out. See you in Punta Arenas soon!

[@christopherwhittaker2620]

So pleased that you are going and representing the team on the side of Truth.

[@ZerzuzeXiiquin]

Congratulations glad you raised the funds to go to Antarctica. I will try to find my comment about returning the funds if you are not able to go to Antarctica and comment a congratulation there as well. I hope you understand my stance that no one can be shown to profit off this in any way. The flerf's will latch on to something like that.

[@CriticalThink]

@ZerzuzeXiiquin just to be clear, the funds raised are a help, but the majority of the funds are coming out of my pocket. Yes some people think this was some kind of grift, but from my point of view, that's absurd.

[@LisaAnn777]

I am excited to see this trip happen! I will be watching close to see how the flat earthers explain this lol I know it'll be a lot of excuses, but hopefully they are somewhat convinced and start realizing their flat earth "model" is "flat" out wrong 😂

[@ZerzuzeXiiquin]

@@CriticalThink Yeah, I don't think it was some sort of a grift. I Was trying to protect the integrity of the event. I am sorry for what might have sounded like a harsh accusation. It was not intended that way.

[@harrischristmastech]

I questioned Steven as well in regard to his formula, and if you look at his formula it is the Haversine formula. He changed the names of some variables (like radius of earth to radius of firmament). And then used some algebra to make the formula look different, but he is still using the Haversine formula with a few tweaks to make it look like he isn't

[@rickkwitkoski1976]

Ya gotta lie to FLERF!

[@jth7823]

I mean i guess props for knowing enough algebra to do this....BUT that tells me he his trolling. If you can do algebra you know the earth is a globe

[@christopherwhittaker2620]

Lying is second nature to flerfs

[@MichaelOnines]

Did he use polynomial expansions of the trigonometric functions?

[@Amradar123]

How surprising 😊

[@alejandrovallejo4330]

“Imagine making predictions, that contradict your own flat earth model, and are actually globe predictions, but just calling them flat earth predictions” I though Will had already had a conversation with Austin Witless at some point 🤣.

[@jolleychris123]

But in hindsight, it's what was going to happen for sure! Seems obvious now, but wish I'd thought of it so I could have called it out in advance!

[@Wolfie6020]

There is no alternative to the Globe for flight planning. They can never show Flat Earth equations because there is no math that works for something that does not exist. My flight planning challenge to flat Earthers remains unanswered eight years later...

[@freezingcathedral]

"no math for something that does not exist" is why godel's ontological proof is so amazing.

[@mikep9604]

@Wolfie6020 - It's hilarious that they still use their old excuse that "all maps (flight charts) are flat."

[@PeterPete]

Good luck in Antarctica! Btw when you're there, while you're all gazing up into the celestial sky, don't forget to ask yourselves "now how does this prove the shape of the earth that we're all standing on? The observation supports the idea the Earth is a globe but how are we going to prove the Earth is a globe?" While you're all doing this you can all scratch your heads but please put it on video so we can all see that you're all faced with a dilemma!!! As far as I am concerned you lot won't be able to prove the Earth is a globe by looking at the celestial sky. You NEED to look down at the Earth to KNOW what shape it is not upwards into the sky!! Crazy people!! Waste of time, waste of resources and a complete waste of money imo.

[@joshuakimmich9536]

​@PeterPete For $90k, you can get a trip to 60k ft height on a fighter jet and see the earth in its glory. Many people have done so, except the broke losers called flat earthers. You should stack up on your copium and increase the doses, because high altitude flights will be commercially available and will be the norm by 2050. We know survival of the fittest doesn't look kindly to flat earthers, but try your best to stay alive by then

[@Heoi_Bikuni]

​@PeterPete nah. It proves flat earthers are liars. Or is that something you already knew?

[@contrarian8870]

Rule #1: The word "math" in a request instantly eliminates all honest submissions from flerfs

[@freezingcathedral]

flerfematics.

[@LordSluggo]

Mr. Steven Alonzo runs a webpage called "Journal of Geocentric Cosmology" where he uses very feeble attempts at "serious" research papers to prove Flat Earth. I've asked him several times to submit them to actual academic journals, but for some reason he has yet to do so

[@brekel42]

Mr Alonzo claims relevant credentials from the university he graduated from. But if you look up that university, he founded it. Alonzo's predictions match the globe predictions, because they're made using Walter Bislin's model which he took and republished on his own website and tried to claim it as his own. Conveniently he left out Bislin's disclaimer that points you to the fact that his flat model is based on globe formulas and projections, points out all the flaws, and states that for it to operate that way on a flat earth defies known laws of physics. And when you question Alonzo on aspects of his model, he denies the truth and claims that it does not use certain things that you can actually see are coded into the open source software. Then he talks around in circles, claims you're misunderstanding, and goes on to contradict the 'papers' he has published on his own website.

[@Peter-o9n6p]

​@@brekel42Shane St-Pierre is everywhere!!

[@WallyAMV]

​@@brekel42actually it gets worse, I was fascinated by Alonso a little while back and it seems like he was actually a Geologist and quite a highly regarded one at that, he has a few papers submitted which were ironically on using P Waves in measurements of the Earth and its composition I believe. I have no idea what happened but it was like a light switch flicked and suddenly he just disappeared then came back as this flerf. The "University" also isn't his first grift, he was selling very expensive "classes" on flat earth and a range of other topics for like $500+USD per course on another website and appears to live in some sort of "Commune" now with several wives and I believe several Children. I reckon it'd make for a really interesting video on where it all went wrong for him!

[@kernicterus1233]

The guy is a complete buffoon. He even has a video claiming he is standing next to Mc Toon on his own ship performing sextant celestial navigation.

[@CreakyBlinder]

Me....me.......me!! I can answer that for you Will, the hight of the "DOME" has nothing at all to do with flight paths on a flat earth. Also, on a flat earth map, when the sun moves outwards what exactly is making the Sun capable of increasing it's orbit speed?

[@TheSpuggiehawk]

And what, exactly, is keeping it up? Or is that part of the flat earth mythology about there being no such thing as up and down?

[@bingethinker791]

Congrats on your debate with Flatzoid. You were well prepared. He didn’t even try. He just kept whining about burden of proof and didn’t give any predictions.

[@larrycroucher644]

Keep up the great work. Your patience is amazing

[@drmantistoboggan2870]

Zero accurate predictions from the flat side. They know they cant do it 😂

[@jamiehuebsch]

Most Flat Earthers know they are lying through their teeth. Many of them don't actually believe in flat earth, they just want to troll people and be assholes about it. That's how they get their jollies. The rest are fooled by the trolls and their desire to be contrarian and "different".

[@tubeguy4066]

Bro deliberately doesnt choice the correct flat earth answers. He has an obvious bias and isnt a third party

[@drmantistoboggan2870]

@tubeguy4066 "doesnt choice the flat earthers" 🤣 What could bro have meant by this 🤔

[@noneofyourbusiness7055]

Will doesn't choose answers, reality does. Bias plays no role here and as it stands, factually, no flerf has used their FE to figure out a numerical answer AT ALL...

[@jamiehuebsch]

@noneofyourbusiness7055 As I said. Most flerfs *know* they are full of bullshit. Why would they submit an answer they already know will be incorrect and proven wrong? Much easier to just fake belief and troll people who will take their statements at face value.

[@capq57]

No map + no model + no math + no brains = no predictions.

[@jimygod]

No working globe model. Side note: the sky is not the globe.

[@capq57]

@@jimygod The globe model has worked perfectly for thousands of years, for sunrise, sunset, moonrise, moonset, moon phases, tides, solar eclipses, lunar eclipses, annual seasons, planetary motions, weather forecasting, long-distance navigation by land, sea and air, satellite storm tracking, broadcast satellites, global positioning satellites, space telescopes, space missions to Moon, Mars, Jupiter, Saturn, solar probes.... the list of accomplishments based on knowledge of the globe and orbital mechanics exceeds the space limitations of a comment. Denying reality doesn't make it less real.The list of accomplishments based on Flaturdia is precisely none, zero, zip, nada. Not a single, useful prediction in all of human history.

[@AidenJames-tj9qp]

@@jimygod Try Google Earth. Side note: It's a working globe model, as is every other globe model. Claims require evidence, so anyone can make aa claim, as you have. However anyone who wishes can look at google earth, which really does exist, and not only does it exist, but it functions perfectly. So unless you can back up your empty claim with E-V-I-D-E-N-C-E that shows exactly where this working globe model fails, then your claim is easily dismissible.

[@rodrigosampaio1560]

@@jimygod I agree that the sky is not the globe, but how can we simulate a physical model and its observations exactly how it happens in a globe and can't be done with a flat model? We can reproduce star trails how they are in the south, sun and moon path. Now try to build a physical flat earth and try to simulate these observations.

[@jimygod]

@@capq57 No working globe model. Side note: the sky is not the globe. Did you not understand this? I am chatting about the globe not the sky. Can you show high tides and low tides on a globe model? Can you show anything related to the globe on a globe model?

[@Petey194]

7:40 Steven did make a prediction for challenge #3. He uses 6378 km for the radius of the FE equator which by some strange coincidence just happens to be the globe Earth's equatorial radius too. He then used that (r) value together with a bit of trig to get the distance for 1° of longitude (at 53° South) in the same way we would for the globe. So he's basically describing the globe model where the distance between meridians gets less the farther north or south of the equator you go until they meet at the poles. No deception there, eh? 👀

[@isaiahos.]

Honestly really surprised that flat earthers haven't really submitted anything, I originally thought they were going to fill the submissions with a bunch of straight gobbledegook

[@derekcoaker6579]

That would really DESTROY the Grift. lol.

[@Times_Up_Chumps_Leeroy_Jenkins]

🚨 UPDATE 🚨 Unemployed Austin is STILL jobless & begging for money

[@josleys]

My prediction of the sun on Antarctica: kzbin.info/www/bejne/qKGleoCJqKmGp6s

[@ldarrow221]

That's a really well done video. Hopefully helps some of the on the fence flerfs understand how ridiculous the flat "model" is

[@kategem4603]

Awesome video

[@kernicterus1233]

The fact that 4 flerfs will witness the sun circling in counter-rotation than what they are used to in the North is potentially very 'interesting'.

[@KentheDeer]

The closer TFE gets, the more desperate the flerfs become...

[@vega627]

At the Union Glacier Camp you can also measure the distance between 83°W and 84°W meridians (one degree). On Gleason map it must be much longer than on the globe.

[@JournalofGeocentricCosmology]

Nope, it's exactly the same.

[@vega627]

@@JournalofGeocentricCosmology It could not be on the Gleason Flat Map.

[@-ion]

​@@JournalofGeocentricCosmologyIf the lengths between meridians are the same as on a globe, and the lengths between lines of latitude are the same as well, it's literally a globe.

[@jimbobeire]

@@JournalofGeocentricCosmology "Nuh uh" , wow, such a complete answer. We're all impressed that "Professor Alonzo" has taken time off from running his 'university' to come educate us. 🤡

[@scienceminded9819]

@@JournalofGeocentricCosmologyshow your non-work 😎🍿

[@johncowan1993]

Have the flerfers ever said what the sun is? How it acts like a torch / flashlight. What is it made of? How you can't see it after dusk, even though you can see a car spotlight miles away even when it's pointing at the ground.

[@drmantistoboggan2870]

No, if you ask, they say "no one knows" but then they say they "know its not a star" 😂

[@tubeguy4066]

​@@drmantistoboggan2870bro cant even spell lol

[@adrenochrome_slurper]

​@@tubeguy4066 What is the sun?

[@brianvernaglia9449]

How does it set if it is not occluded by the earth?

[@s.d.atkinson5986]

@@johncowan1993 You may want to study light properties. Light energy gradually diminishes over distance. This is called attenuation. Light also scatters and absorbs particles in the air which further reduces its illumination. Car headlight illumination diminishes within a few miles and eventually your eyes can no longer detect any light. In a theater the spotlight illuminates the main actor and the illumination diminishes within a few feet. The atmosphere closest to the surface is dense and light cannot penetrate through it for more than a few thousand miles. According to light illumination distances in the ocean it is impossible for our sun to penetrate beyond about 3,300 feet. After that no light penetration from the sun. I don’t know what the sun is made of but I don’t think you know what it is made of either. Science, “theoretically”, tells us it is some sort of nuclear fusion. Unfortunately, theory is NOT fact. If the sun is actually 93 million miles away it would be impossible for our eyes to perceive the light it produces.

[@psalux18963]

The globe model directly predicts 6 months of light at both poles (in alternate sequence) followed by 6 months of darkness. Thinking at the flat earth model the first answer (there can't be a 24h sun in antarctica) was the most reasonable. Now, after some years of waffling, flat earthers understood that there was the need to explain the presence of the 24h sun also on the flat earth, as an operation of damage control. So, against the common sense, there must be some kind of indirect light that gets reflected or refracted by a fantasy dome, hijacking the expression "coffee cup caustic" that has very few points of contact with the alleged flat earth model. I see a problem as big as a building though. The sunset should happen (together with a phantomatic "flerspective"), because the sun is too distant from the observer. Any form of indirect light is always longer than the ray of light that directly comes from the source. This means that on the flat earth the indirect light (like reflection and refraction) cannot be present if, in the same moment, the source of light is not visible. In this regard also a simple twilight shouldn't be possible. Let's not talk about the indirect light that travels along the dome, doubling or tripling the distance. A foundational rule of flat earth disproves at the very beginning any attempt to model the reflected/refracted light along or across the dome. Because we should see 2 suns as an absolute requirement for the model to work.

[@agorgedslug]

If Alonzo is the only guy, it doesn't matter how crazy his answers are - he wins by default 😂😂😂

[@ThePyharegua]

Love from Brazil, Will. I have been waiting here for this trip since the beginning

[@travis1098]

I pray that you all are safe on your trip! Thank you for finally doing this. This is an amazing experiment you all are doing. God bless you all and try to stay warm!

[@freewill8218]

He's not the Messiah he's a very naughty boy.

[@truthseeker1278]

Nice challange! Such a shame the flatter do not participate! 😢

[@labuck9013]

Hey bozo, Dr Alonzo made submissions for ALL 3 challenges... set the record straight

[@Justwantahover]

The Southern Cross circilg the SCP (just like the Big Dipper circles the NCP) also destroys flat earth! Get them to time laps the Southern Star trails while in the Southern Hemisphere.

[@kernicterus1233]

The village in the UK that I live in is exactly 53 degrees North latitude, so I'm predicting that your TFE meridian distances will be identical to mine. No maths required, sorry.

[@rodrigosampaio1560]

A dishonest flat earther? I'm shocked... that this video only showed one of them 😅

[@dougfraser77]

I am in Dunedin, New Zealand and happy to help if you need any measurements made

[@contrarian8870]

Due to Poe, we can't tell if Alonzo is really a flerf or a glober troll

[@JournalofGeocentricCosmology]

Read my academic publications for challenge 1 and 2 to know.

[@muzikgod]

@@JournalofGeocentricCosmology You're a grifter. :)

[@just9911]

@@JournalofGeocentricCosmologyyou do know that lying is a sin…

[@Justwantahover]

Nathan Oakley, Flat Earth Dave Weise and Mark Sargent are most likely Poe's. But CC, he's a flat earther! 😂

[@theultimatereductionist7592]

@@JournalofGeocentricCosmology You have no academic publications, flatty.

[@ZerzuzeXiiquin]

If 35 kilometers is 3500 meters on the donkey earth, The math will be interesting to say the least.

[@mechtheist]

The reason the radius of the dome is equal to the radius of the earth is probably some contortion of logic/geometry where you imagine a plane cutting through the earth at the equator and then taking the Gleason map and fitting inside that circle, then the done would be where the earth's surface was. I know, it's tortured and makes no sense and I doubt a flerf can do that much imagining, he's probably just lying.

[@idahogie]

Love the challenges! Great idea. But will Steven Alonso be included as a flat Earth submitter in the challenges where he submits answers? Or is he disqualified based on the sketchy explanations with the globe-based math he included?

[@JournalofGeocentricCosmology]

I think I am disqualified because my Flat Earth Science predicts a 24hr Sun at Union Glacier.

[@JustJum]

​​​@@JournalofGeocentricCosmologyah yes, your "flat earth science", ie. Your diagram showing that light will refract at almost 180° through air, with 0 demonstration of it. Yeah, alright

[@psalux18963]

​@@JournalofGeocentricCosmology The globe model directly predicts 6 months of light at both poles (in alternate sequence) followed by 6 months of darkness. Thinking at the flat earth model the first answer (there can't be a 24h sun in antarctica) was the most reasonable. Now, after some years of waffling, flat earthers understood that there was the need to explain the presence of the 24h sun also on the flat earth, as an operation of damage control. So, against the common sense, there must be some kind of indirect light that gets reflected or refracted by a fantasy dome, hijacking the expression "coffee cup caustic" that has very few points of contact with the alleged flat earth model. I see a problem as big as a building though. The sunset should happen (together with a phantomatic "flerspective"), because the sun is too distant from the observer. Any form of indirect light is always longer than the ray of light that directly comes from the source. This means that on the flat earth the indirect light (like reflection and refraction) cannot be present if, in the same moment, the source of light is not visible. In this regard also a simple twilight shouldn't be possible. Let's not talk about the indirect light that travels along the dome, doubling or tripling the distance. And not A foundational rule of flat earth disproves at the very beginning any attempt to model the reflected/refracted light along or across the dome. Because we should see 2 suns as an absolute requirement for the model to work.

[@just9911]

@@JustJum it’s really easy to call yourself a scientist when you just make shit up and justify it with “trust me bro” or “my book of fairy tales tells me so”

[@idahogie]

@@JournalofGeocentricCosmology There is no "flat Earth science." It's an emotionally held position.

[@Infinite0396]

I’m a Flat Earther but I just wanted to salute 🫡 you for your meticulous research, clear explanations, and also fairness throughout this project. I also want to apologize on behalf of Flat Earthers that have sadly not contributed the same level of civility to this matter. Keep up your good work and following updates closely 👍

[@ldarrow221]

Do you have any predictions to make before the experiment? And do you accept what prominent flat earthers have been saying for years, that a 24 hour sun in Antarctica disproves the flat earth? Not coming at you, just curious! I am not here to debate you or argue, just want to hear your thoughts. We will wait for the experiment and observe results together.

[@Infinite0396]

@ yes no problem-feel free. There is no reason to get triggered if you are sincere about the research and finding the truth. My prediction is that somehow there will be some ambiguity-and that both sides will claim victory. I’m not really sure how that’s possible but we’ll see. Obviously, as a flat Earther I do not think that there is a 24 hour sun. If it turns out that Jeran, Lisbeth, and Witset (who I like, but my favs are Dave, Eric, and Mark) come back and say yes there’s a 24 hour sun ☀️-then yes, I would have to reconsider the globe 🌍 again after having written off the globe 🌍 in summer of 2020 (when “Science” lost all credibility because of the agenda they were pushing at the time)

[@ldarrow221]

@@Infinite0396 I certainly agree that Duffy is sincere, fair, and transparent. We'll all look forward to the results together. Independent verification like this is the heart of scientific inquiry, and for a topic like this we can all participate and verify ourselves.

[@Infinite0396]

@@ldarrow221 yes Duffy certainly comes off as sincere, humble, and also passionate about the research. I saw him first in a debate with Austin and unfortunately whenever Duffy would simply try clarifying each sides position-Austin would get defensive. Duffy was not attacking Austin’s position but rather considering the audience and trying to have a decent discussion. Austin obnoxiously talked over Duffy in an attempt to drown him out🤦‍♂️

[@leftpastsaturn67]

@@Infinite0396 I'm surprised you managed to get some traction with your obvious trolling.

[@brucebaxter6923]

Serious comment for a change. I see the laws about going below the 60° latitude has been found. Interestingly it’s for commercial aircraft routes to improve the changes of rescue. In the early days there was no overseas commercial flights with less than four engines and then it dropped to three and now it’s ok to do it with two as reliability has improved. Amongst these regulations where flight thoughts could be set up, remote and inaccessible and hostile environments were also deemed not suitable. Like open oceans and inaccessible wilderness. Antarctica is remote and low population and hostile so a safe limit was chosen.

[@larrysview]

Please tell me what is the height of the dome at Union Glacier. I want your flerf participants to organize a tour of the dome.

[@Thirdbase9]

Airplanes don't actually fly, they really drive along the inner surface of the firmament.

[@Amradar123]

My poor head 😂

[@michaeldunn6954]

The one problem is you can not have an airport near the edge of the dome because of height restrictions.

[@Thirdbase9]

@michaeldunn6954 That's not how the Dome works.

[@michaeldunn6954]

@@Thirdbase9 Dome on a pizza, so how does it work?

[@Thirdbase9]

@@michaeldunn6954 it all has to do with relative realism and demonstrable density. The Dome isn't a dome it's a parallel pizza and the refraction of the demonstrable density bends the light creating relative realism.

[@georgemontgomery5786]

Alonzo’s submission for the TFE challenge #1 posted on his Journal of Geocentric Cosmology website is a mess. Aside from dubious claims about aetheric compensation and Lorentz contraction, there are several obvious arithmetic errors that discredit his calculations. In section 6.1.2 for the Los Angeles to Santiago distance, he writes: Final result: df = 8, 612.3 + 3, 282.7 = 8, 972.8 km In section 6.2.2 for the Atlanta to Santiago distance, he writes: Final result: df = 7, 572.4 + 3, 224.2 = 7, 592.4 km In section 6.3.2 for the London to Santiago distance, he writes: Final result: df = 11, 341.5 + 3, 435.0 = 11, 621.5 km In section 6.4.2 for the Sydney to Santiago distance, he writes: Base distance: db = sqrt((19, 785.3)^2 + (−40.0)^2) = 11, 027.9 km Final result: df = 11, 027.9 + 3, 417.4 = 11, 327.9 km

[@georgemontgomery5786]

Alonzo gives three equations for flat Earth distances. The equations are not tweaks of the globe Earth distance equation that uses the haversine function. Alonzo’s equations are based on Pythagoras’s equation for right triangles on a flat plane. Although he claims that his formulas apply to a flat planar map of the earth, he is applying Pythagoras’s equation to arc-lengths forming a right triangle on the surface of a sphere. Alonzo’s first equation is: df1 = sqrt( (R*cos(Lat1)*dLon)^2 + (R*dLat)^2 ) where: df1 = initial flat earth approximation of distance between two locations, km Lat1, Lon1 = latitude and longitude of first location Lat2, Lon2 = latitude and longitude of second location dLat = Lat2 - Lat1 dLon = Lon2 - Lon1 R = height of firmament, km (conveniently the same as the radius of the globe Earth) It is clear that on a globe Earth, R*cos(Lat1)*dLon is the arc-length along latitude Lat1, between longitudes Lon1 and Lon2, and that R*dLat is the arc length along either longitudes Lon1 or Lon2 between latitudes Lat1 and Lat2. Making the following variable substitutions and squaring both sides of the equation, Alonzo’s equation becomes: A = R*cos(Lat1)*dLon B = R*dLat C = df1 C^2 = A^2 + B^2 It’s clear that Alonzo intends the distance between the two locations to be the arc-length of the hypotenuse of a spherical right triangle. But there are problems with this approach. Pythagoras’s equation is only valid for flat surfaces. It is simply wrong to apply it on curved surfaces. One obvious problem in this case is that the distance between location 1 and location 2 isn’t always equal to the distance between location 2 and location 1. A spherical triangle could be formed with side A along the latitude line of either location 1 or location 2. Side A has a longer length if its location is closer to the equator than the other location. Consequently, side C is larger if location 1 is closer to the equator than location 2. But the distance between location 1 and 2 is the same as the distance between location 2 and 1. The application of Pythagoras’s equation to a spherical surface is wrong. If location 1 and location 2 are located along the same latitude, dLat = 0 and df1 = R*cos(Lat1)*dLon. This equation is a good approximation of the globe Earth equation for small differences in longitude, i.e. dLon < 1 degree of longitude. Alonzo’s second equation is: df2 = sqrt( (R*cos(Lat1)*dLon)^2 + (R*dLat*LF)^2 ) where: df2 = flat earth approximation of distance between two locations with Lorentz latitude correction, km LF = sqrt( 1 - (k*sin(LatAvg))^2 ) LatAvg = (Lat1 + Lat2)/2 k = 0.7 empirically determined Alonzo’s third equation is: df3 = df2 + AF where: df3 = flat earth approximation of distance between two locations with aetheric compensation, km AF = a*(1 + b*(df2/D)) a = 2800, km b = 0.1 D = 5000, km a, b, D empirically determined Alonzo’s second and third equations suffer from the same failures as his first equation. Alonzo’s third equation makes differences in predictions using his equations and the globe Earth equation larger, rather than smaller as he claims. He fudges the arithmetic to compensate. One notable flaw in Alonzo’s third equation is apparent if locations 1 and 2 are the same, or very close to each other. In that situation, df2 = 0, AF = a, and df3 = 2800. Incredibly, with aetheric compensation, no two locations can be less than 2800 km from each other!

[@Rev03FFL]

@@georgemontgomery5786 Did he explain his aetheric correction and Lorentz factor? I've used the Lorentz factor before, but it is for measuring the effect of time dilation for relativity when traveling at significant fractions of the speed of light. Unless these commercial aircraft are powered by dilithium crystals and anti-matter, I don't think it is relevant.

[@georgemontgomery5786]

@@Rev03FFL Alonzo doesn’t give any explanation relating to actual FE geometry. He says that his Lorentz correction factor isn’t the Lorentz correction factor from Special Relativity, but is “inspired” by the Lorentz correction factor from Special Relativity. His aetheric correction factor makes his FE distance equation less accurate if you crunch the numbers correctly. His explanations are just math and science-sounding jargon to impress his FE audiences. He expects that 99% of his audience won’t understand his math and won’t check his arithmetic.

[@brianvernaglia9449]

There is no flat earth model.

[@rickkwitkoski1976]

And many flerfs agree with you. No model, no ability to make predictions.

[@s.d.atkinson5986]

I can make a 3D model of a geocentric stationary plane with land masses and level water surfaces in my kitchen. I can do it without breaking any laws of physics. Can you make a 3D model of your heliocentric spinning sphere with level water and land masses without breaking any laws of physics?

[@brianvernaglia9449]

@@s.d.atkinson5986 yes. Easily. Go to any school and grab a globe off the teacher's desk.

[@s.d.atkinson5986]

@ unfortunately you’re missing the 3D land masses and level water.

[@brianvernaglia9449]

@@s.d.atkinson5986 how so? Globes have land and water. Usually land is in brown/green and water in blue.

[@tonyw4863]

Can I suggest that someone going to Antarctica take a recent newspaper from Punta Arenas that can prove the date you are in Antarctica. Flat Earth Banjo is saying he believes the video was already produced in the Arctic and you are going to pretend to be at the "impossible" continent of Antarctica.

[@janosszabo98]

What's gonna stop him from saying that the newspaper was photoshopped? These people are brainwashed by this cult. You can't argue with these people. The one and only way to end the debate is not to debate at all. Not give them a platform and ignore them like they don't exist.

[@wideotekatwilight]

@@janosszabo98 I thik they should watch the newest Banjo video, possibly even some Flat earth live streams, I BET THEY WILL EXIST, during e4xpediution, since it will be broadcasted live!

[@robertlafleur5179]

Flat earth bingo is an idiot, just ignore him.

[@patu8010]

Poor Steven 😂

[@Peter-o9n6p]

Shane St-Pierre is running that same dodge. He uses the globe radius in his calculations, but claims he derives the figure independently using arguments that involve the angular resolution of the human eye (as if they were all the same) and the Rayleigh criterion lol. But the good news about Shane is he loves to put everything in print - his stupidity gets enshrined.

[@JournalofGeocentricCosmology]

@@Peter-o9n6p all my submissions are also published in print on the Journal of Geocentric Cosmology. You can download the papers for free.

[@Amradar123]

​@@JournalofGeocentricCosmologyIs it peer reviewed and what is the citation index? Just out of interest as an evolutionary biologist (PhD).

[@bobmusil1458]

All these challenges are totally unfair! You know very well that flerfs can’t make any predictions. 🤦‍♂️ They have no model, they have no idea, they have no knowledge.

[@Amradar123]

Then all flerf have to do is to admit that the flat earth is a believe system 😊 Nothing wrong with that, ask Will. He is part of one having 2.38 billion members (and decreasing)

[@bobmusil1458]

⁠@@Amradar123Decreasing 😂 Yes, Will also does not accept scientific facts (evolution) because of his medieval beliefs. 🤦‍♂️

[@RH-wg2gr]

How did you get the radius?

[@Amradar123]

Calculation, prediction and observation over 2000 years 😊 First written record in 350 BC by Aristotle. All knowledge is out there if you choose not to ignore it.

[@labuck9013]

Field of vision based on the geometry and spherical design of the human eye, Shane does the math at his aether cosmology site

[@ConnollyMusicCreation]

Can someone compile, if they haven't already, a list of the different experiments being done? It would be great to see what everyone is up to.

[@jimbobeire]

It's on the TFE website, which is linked in the description.

[@ConnollyMusicCreation]

@@jimbobeire Thanks. I'll check it out.

[@happyjoyjoy9694]

"the flat earth cant have a plane fly south over the south pole then pop up on the other side of the flat earth, but the globe can" - Billybob "it's called the Pacman effect. Enoch Portals also explain it. South Pole Circumnavigation makes a lot of sense once you apply Senior Flat Earth Science topics to these otherwise complicated phenomenon. - Steven Alonzo Blatant POE.

[@labuck9013]

Hey bozo will, Dr Alonzo made submissions for ALL 3 challenges... set the record straight

[@paulgreen9059]

Which two specific meridians are you going to measure between? Also, I'd love to see the flat-earth formula with the Globe's radius in it. What shape is claiming? It's got to be 20,000 km across to fit over Gleason's map, after all.

[@Rev03FFL]

Correct, if we assume 60 nautical miles is 1 degree. And, if the flat earth radius was 20,000 km, N-pole to ice wall, then the total surface area of the flat earth would be about 2.5 times that of the globe earth. Is that what flat earthers believe?

[@Synaptic_gap]

I see what you did there! Bet Stevie falls for it anyway.

[@matthewhakim721]

All the kings horses and all the kings men could not put the globe together again.

[@robertlafleur5179]

oh a mor on.

[@leftpastsaturn67]

The one you're currently stood on? The one that's navigated accurately millions of times each day? The same one that young children can easily verify the shape of for themselves? Grow a spine Matty.

[@paulthompson1294]

This is just entertaining watching the flat earthers make a complete mess of their own BS.

[@tobyncummins]

Why have there been no live video recorded flights by space craft over the continent of Antarctica on a clear day in summer? That would absolutely end this debate and yet it has not happened.

[@janosszabo98]

Flattards don't believe in space. There are literally hundreds of hours of footage of earth from space already on the internet. Wilful ignorance is one of the defining characteristic of flattards.

[@Amradar123]

Flerfs have to deny the existence of spaceflight and many other things (like established knowledge) as that would undermine their harmful pizza planet fantasy.

[@tobyncummins]

@@Amradar123 your comment makes no sense - there is no decent legitimate footage of space craft or the ISS flying all the way over Antarctica- that’s a red flag of exponential significance.

[@sineout9294]

@@tobyncummins The ISS has never flown over the poles and never will, because it cant. Its orbital inclination is 51.6º and maybe you should go away and learn what that means*. Space flight is not what Hollywood shows you. Satellites in orbit have almost no ability to change their paths. The tiny few that do would expend a lot of fuel in doing so. America's reusable X37 is rumoured to be capable of it but the clue is in the reusability - it gets to land and refuel between missions. Also, satellites have their specific purposes. Many have no cameras. Those with still cameras are probably highly specialised multi-spectrals looking to identify things like different foliage or cloud compositions. Almost none of those go over the poles because most of the interesting bits of the earth tend not to be there. And video cameras are essentially pointless, and as rare as hens' teeth, because all they show is the surface screaming past at 17500 mph. If you want that, there IS one on the ISS, streaming most of the time. Some flatearthers claim NASA's sole purpose is a satanic hard sell of the fake globe. But if that were the case, then they'd already be jumping to do everything flatearthers challenge them to do as a supposed slam-dunk proof of the globe. In reality, it's not their job, and everyone who puts stuff in orbit has better things to do. *Fun fact; why is it 51.6º? Because it allows spacecraft launched from both Cape Canaveral and Baikonur to join the same orbit. (Edit: removed reference to great circle; seems to be a bit more complicated than that)

[@wideotekatwilight]

@@tobyncummins nOT iss, BUT THEY re... You are flerf, you reject anything you can already find :d

[@jimonthecoast3234]

Planer Walk lives in NZ, and is a glober..

[@D_Hanegan]

Don't forget to show the sun's azimuth, it's just an observation

[@truthseeker1278]

Why have U not asked the "dome-beliefer" in the "talk-battle" the most obvious question: How the heck does he explains falling asteroinds?

[@davejolley67]

I have a question. Simply, why not take a private jet or plane and fly in a straight line from point A to point B ? If one flys from nth to sth in a straight line if round you will be back were one starts from and if flat from the most nthrn point to south you will come to the end of the earth and hit the firmament? Is this not a more simple and cost effective way to discover the truth? Why do I not hear anyone else suggesting this?

[@The-Final-Experiment]

@@davejolley67 that would cost millions. And flat earthers are not willing to get on a plane that would crash into the firmament that they think exists.

[@clivedavis6859]

It has been done, by both air and surface. The fatties just respond na uh.

[@davejolley67]

​@@The-Final-Experiment I'm curious though, if one calculates in a straight line path what is the distance around the globe as a posed to the flat map? 2x different distances. What's the longest flight and distance flight today? Surly one can fly economy around the world , no? And if flat well one will well and truly be there quicker, no? Again from point A to b in a straight line with designated fuel stops . Considering the flight paths predicted for this experiment e.g Sydney to chilli around said ice wall 3x longer I don't see it being millions, and would this not be another excuse flterf or round to finding the truth? As for crashing into the firmament I was alleged to think there is land and other worlds , land ,oceans just like ours what and who live there that's another story. The quickest way between point a and b is a straight line . Do that , would this not help the discovery of the truth?

[@danoso0931]

@@davejolley67 Difficult to make sense of your ramblings, but: 1- A private plane is actually way more expensive 2- If you had bithered to watch the video, you would know that youtuber Critical Think will take a plane from Sydney to Santiago. Also, your whole idea is one literally one of the three experiments they will perform.

[@alt1579]

Aren't the participants making their predictions too? Dave, Michael, Austin, Jeran, and Lisbeth? I'd love to see their work.

[@JournalofGeocentricCosmology]

@@alt1579 they are KZbinrs, not Flat Earth Scientists. Only I am able to make predictions on behalf of Flat Earth.

[@Amradar123]

​@@JournalofGeocentricCosmology😂

[@psalux18963]

​@@JournalofGeocentricCosmology Hijacking the globe math and calling it flat earth. You are a Poe my dear!

[@theultimatereductionist7592]

@@JournalofGeocentricCosmology You predict NOTHING, moron.

[@ldarrow221]

​@@JournalofGeocentricCosmology 😅😂 like he is the flat earth messiah what delusion 😂

[@phillipcraig1120]

📌 You drop this, Will, but do you mind if I hold this for a moment? My prediction on behalf of flat earthers will be absolutely nothing.

[@graceev]

I'm in NZ, what do you need? I'm a glober and have a FE friend

[@ZerzuzeXiiquin]

As I am from natural earth beyond the ice wall. I will submit my flat earth answer. The separation between longitude lines is simple, about 3000 miles, my math is also simple the United States is measurably about 3000 miles wide. This can logically be used as a ruler; you can only fit one United States from the Gleason map between longitude lines over the ice wall on the Gleason map. 1 unit of 3000 miles is as close as I can get.

[@KieranFlanagan-m4t]

The maths are fairly simple it's one degree every 4 minutes no matterwhat what part of the planet we live ,it's been sorted ever since discover longitude can be. calulated by time if you know your latitude.

[@ZerzuzeXiiquin]

@@KieranFlanagan-m4t 🤔😁

[@ALLnamesTAKENffs]

Of course the hight of the dome affects measurements on the God given flat earth.. The hight systematically determines the ligman radius without cancelling the time difference between 2 main points. Globers were taught that the lower R in the formular R =rmC to the power of 2 - r¥° diverts the distance from p.. but that isn't true. To get the real distance of P you must divide the lower p to the square root of R. This is basic physics. So the dome Hight is the main hypercontinuent within the total radius.. All you globers act like you know the truth, but all just parrot what you're been TOLD. Start thinking for yourself. ~ flat earthers 2024

[@jolupe5200]

Nice

[@PeterPete]

Question - is it reasonable and rational for a person to make an observation of the celestial sky that in their mind proves the actual shape of the ground they're standing on? I don't think it is reasonable and rational at all! In my view as the observation merely supports the hypothesis or idea the earth is a globe! Scientific method requires rigorous testing of hypotheses to avoid people making cognitive assumptions therefore in order to TEST the hypothesis or idea one would need to change one's frame of reference to a location where one can OBSERVE the earth in its entirety! And nobody can do this!

[@Amradar123]

And that is why flerfs deny spaceflight and indirect evidence through mathematics

[@janosszabo98]

There are many other ways we can determine the shape of the earth. Of course flattards handwave dismiss and na-ah everything without a reason. This experiment was chosen because flattards unanimously agreed that the 24h sun in December is impossible on Antarctica on a flat earth. Flattards asked for this specific trip to happen. Have you not been following the channel? This has been stated many times already.

[@PeterPete]

@@Amradar123 you show me genuine footage of space flight as well as a person who's independent to verify the authenticity of the flight then I'm very likely to reconsider my position. But I know this won't happen so I don't need to reconsider my position!

[@PeterPete]

@@Amradar123 and finally I'm glad that you didn't tackle the point of my post because it's clear you agree that going to Antarctica to prove the globe is a dumb idea!!

[@Amradar123]

​@PeterPeteI I agree it is a dumb idea but it is unfortunately necessary to prevent guillable people to fall for FE grifters and science deniers ike DIRTH and co, antivaxxers, snake oil sellers etc as well as harmful conspiracy propagist like omg they are eating the dogs, Jews rule the world, NASA is evil etc. In WW2 a conspiracy theory cost the lives of over 6 million people and in 2020 over a million American lives alone. Anyhow, what spaceflight recordings are not "genuine"? I don't know of any.

[@Heoi_Bikuni]

Do we take the height of the dome into account when driving to the store, too? Gotta lie to flerf.

[@maverickboiiii]

Which meridians? The ones on either side of Puntas arenas?

[@tonyw4863]

Yesterday Flat Earth Banjo released a video taking down TFE and claiming it is all faked, Will is a total liar, any video was previously taken at the North Pole etc. What a loser. I'd love to see Will comment on that video.

[@s.d.atkinson5986]

@@tonyw4863 many comments are omitted or deleted when they do not reflect globe earth beliefs.

[@Amradar123]

​@s.d.atkinson5986 mainly because those comment contain profane language and the KZbin algorithm kicks these out.

[@s.d.atkinson5986]

@ I said nothing rude, insulting, vulgar, or disrespectful. I only stated facts from reliable sources. I believe that my comments were deleted because they exposed a basic truth that could not be denied. Screenshots taken as evidence of what has been said and what has been deleted or omitted.

[@psalux18963]

@@s.d.atkinson5986 The filter of youtube is sometimes incomprehensible, but it makes no difference between globers and flat earthers. It's a filter set for any kind of comment, and the stuff about flat earth is an absolutely tiny part of the comments that are made.

[@leftpastsaturn67]

@@s.d.atkinson5986 "Globe earth beliefs" Do grow up.

[@brucebaxter6923]

How are you going to measure the lines of longitude, You are talking in the order of what.? 100km per degre or so? Measuring noon to better than a degree will be awkward.

[@MichaelOnines]

GPS and it appears they will be using a portion of a degree. An arcminute would be less than 1NM for globe and significantly more than 1NM for flat.

[@brucebaxter6923]

@ But gps is clearly fake, it’s just computers.

[@MichaelOnines]

@@brucebaxter6923 so is the entire trip according to flat earth advocates. Apparently flat earth banjo has declared everyone involved already filmed all the footage they will use back in July up near the north pole. "It's all fake" is all they have and pretty much all they have ever had.

[@logic.and.reasoning]

​@@brucebaxter6923gps is not fake. Your kindergarten graduation letter is.

[@williamblazkowicz5587]

I'm so early the video is in choppy still uploading to the server mode.

[@Yepbutno-yl5bx]

Why would you go to antartica in person if you can just show us the earth from above? Than we see it right?

[@leftpastsaturn67]

"I'm a mechanical engineer by degree" "I never attended any university" "Perspective makes things disappear bottom first" "Aircraft wings cannot structurally hold fuel" "They are powered by compressed air"

[@Amradar123]

Getting bored at Daves channel?

[@wideotekatwilight]

"Why would you go to antartica in person if you can just show us the earth from above? Than we see it right?" Flat will reject ANY of these videos as fake :d

[@s.d.atkinson5986]

@@leftpastsaturn67 Wow, this explains a lot about how you think,🤔 and why you are so frustrated, rude, and irritated when people don’t agree with your beliefs. Take a deep breath and count to ten before you respond to what others believe. Arrogant behavior is not flattering.

[@leftpastsaturn67]

@@s.d.atkinson5986 The irony of that last sentence is palpable. You're insulting your own intelligence far better than I ever could. Now, play the poor little victim again for my amusement you simpering halfwit.

[@vega627]

6371 km is almost maximum height of Sun that can be measured by shadow with trigonometry method. It is like Eratosthenes's experience. That is why some flatearthers say that it is height of the doom on which the Sun flyes.

[@awatt]

Have you personally measured it? Globe confirmed 💯 🌎

[@vega627]

@@awatt Theoretically. If you measure the Sun height at the equatorial zone and leave about 1 degree for shadow appearence you get this height approximately. My maximum measured height of the Sun was 6384 km by this method.

[@awatt]

@vega627 The distance to the sun has been measured by radar. Globe confirmed 💯 🌎

[@GlutenEruption]

@@awatt And by parallax. And transits. And radio. And laser. And spacecraft.... And also by trigonometry too

[@ThePyharegua]

The same experience to prove the spherical shape of earth lmao. Flerfs are so funny sometimes

[@tbrown3356]

You owe the public an apology Will. You committed fraud. For almost a year you claimed to have an experiment. Then publicly, you conceded that it was just a name you liked, and you can call it an expedition or whatever you like. That's fraud Will. Shame in you for deceiving the public. People have raised money for this fraud. If someone gets hurt for this fraud, you will be accountable, Will.

[@robertlafleur5179]

tbrown, you are an id 10 t.

[@robertlafleur5179]

Btw, have you solved the Celestial Navigation problem I gave you months ago? You need to do it using only _''flat earth science''._ Guess not.

[@leftpastsaturn67]

You clowns sure know how to whine pitifully.

[@Amradar123]

Experiment: a scientific procedure undertaken to make a discovery, test a hypothesis, or demonstrate a known fact. They will travel to the south pole to test the hypothesis of a 24h sun based on the predictions of 2 competing models and will perform observations in an attempt to falsify these hypotheses as to conclude which model is valid. So yes, an experiment.

[@tbrown3356]

@Amradar123 you're assuming there's a south pole they are traveling to. That's circular reasoning. The hypothesis is the prediction in science. You have an independent variable and dependent variable. The experiment is testing the hypothesis by manipulating the independent variable to see if it causes a change in the dependent variable. There are no 2 competing models in science. Science deals with real observed effects in nature and real presumed causes the researcher can manipulate or vary. Models are ideas and descriptions of what you think you are observing. Your ideas or descriptions can't cause effects observed in nature. There's no flat earth or globe model in science.

[@f312e4]

Ask Witsit. The calculation has been done a thousand times, you don't need to do it again 🤣🤣🤣.

[@GegeOneBMX]

Like 33. 🙂

[@9greatdanes981]

That’s the distance around the equator on a globe or Gleason map, doubt he said height of firmament.

[@ldarrow221]

Bro the distance around the globe at the equator is 24,901 miles.

[@9greatdanes981]

@ on a flat earth map it’s 12901 miles around the equator, not circumference around a sphere -radius around the equatorial circle. This pastors lying again

[@ldarrow221]

​@@9greatdanes981 get back on your meds

[@awatt]

​@9greatdanes981 What is the fe map? I keep asking but no one has one. Globe confirmed 💯 🌎

[@9greatdanes981]

@ the Gleason map, it says it in the description at the top of the map! The Gleason map is used by NOAA you can find it under the AE map. You’re welcome for correcting you.

[@StoopsTheCat]

This was more gay than I had expected

[@9greatdanes981]

The Gleason map says across the top “it’s a projection of( J.S. Christopher)” I couldn’t find anywhere where it says globe projection. Gleason map does clearly say (it’s a projection of J.S Christopher) “he was a map maker” I hope you didn’t change what the word “globe” means…. like your alphabet parents.

[@KieranFlanagan-m4t]

How precise is the Gleason map ?

[@Amradar123]

Check patent US497917A. The map does not represent a flat earth but is a device to be used as a learning aid for children for calculating time differences between cities. Those poor flerfs are even misunderstandig their own "map"

[@psalux18963]

Alexander Gleason wrote: "The map is not so extorted as to lose the relative latitude and longitude of any places on the land or sea, but retains all latitudes and longitudes of places agreeing with other recognized authors; and as the proper relations of continents and countries all stand in their relative position to each other, they are thus impressed upon the mind of the student. The extorsion of the map from that of a globe consists, mainly in the straightening out of the meridian lines allowing each to retain their original value from Greenwich, the equator to the two poles."

[@leftpastsaturn67]

So much for you larpers and your 'research'. Priceless.

[@9greatdanes981]

@ Gleason, the only map used for ocean mapping shipping meteorologist and NOAA…. that stand for “national oceanic atmospheric administration” , it’s accurate or the could not find your country. It’s so accurate it’s on every world organization flag. W.H.O. U.N. and 30 others. It’s so accurate Google maps uses Gleason map when you calculate distance. Yet the bottom of the globe says not for educational purposes, Gleason is for educational purposes.

[@IvanMectin]

More pathetic math 🙄 These clowns don't understand the difference between math and physics. What a bunch of time wasters,

[@robertlafleur5179]

Math is pathetic when you don’t understand it.

[@IvanMectin]

@@robertlafleur5179 Math is worthless without physical evidence/experiment. This is how the globe ends up with a pathetic 4% model. And that's debatable.

[@robertlafleur5179]

@@IvanMectin Another pathetic answer. Why is it that I can use spherical trigonometry (math) to do Celestial Navigation. It works every single time as it has worked for mariners for centuries. Math correlates with the real world 100%.

[@IvanMectin]

@@robertlafleur5179 Celestial navigation was used by FE civilisations for thousands of years. The Astrolabe and Antikythera are 2 FE devices that we still don't understand. The globe model is a controversial new idea that has very little evidence to support it. It's mainly very silly equations stacked on top of each other. It's becoming blatantly obvious that the whole thing is broken. It's a bit like the Emperor's clothes. Everyone knows it's a mess, but are scared to admit it.

[@leftpastsaturn67]

@@IvanMectin The Antikythera device? Used for navigation on a flat earth? Comedy gold. You'll be telling us that you have a definitive working map and model of this magical fritatas of yours next.

[@Yepbutno-yl5bx]

you know you globers have 10k satellites and all of that.... show us the spinning ball with antartica and stuff....

[@psalux18963]

Why do you ask that? There are already millions of that kind of images, that you declare fake without evidence. What would make another image different this time?

[@leftpastsaturn67]

"I'm a mechanical engineer by degree" "I never attended any university" "Perspective makes things disappear bottom first" "Aircraft wings cannot structurally hold fuel" "They are powered by compressed air"

[@Amradar123]

Getting bored at Dave's channel?

[@brucebaxter6923]

Of course, this makes perfect sense. The world is level and the dome is spherical with the land level with the dome.

[@logic.and.reasoning]

😂😂😂😂😂 get a grip on reality kid.

[@brucebaxter6923]

@ I don’t know why there is this industry of people pointing at pretty pictures and shouting flat curved. I’m a simulation last thursdayist.. This is just a simulation created last Thursday in a way that looks very old, next Thursday it will be a completely different type of reality.

[@psalux18963]

@@brucebaxter6923 "This is just a simulation created last Thursday in a way that looks very old, next Thursday it will be a completely different type of reality." Thank you for confirming you are an absolute nutjob.

[@logic.and.reasoning]

@@brucebaxter6923 science agrees on the earth's shape, cosmology and astronomy, weather, gravity, moon and tides, physics... but all we get from flerfs is nonsensical misunderstandings of science...cherry picking... because flerfs don't understand. They are unable to see that they need basic education BEFORE they can't make claims using woo and magic.

[@logic.and.reasoning]

@@brucebaxter6923 Aussie and a flat earther?! No dude...

[@JournalofGeocentricCosmology]

Hi, I am Steven. I will definitely be submitting challenge #3. Math is how we know the Earth must be flat. EDIT: Submission 3 is now public on my channel.

[@derekcoaker6579]

You are a straight Grifter dude.

[@rickkwitkoski1976]

@JournalofGeocentricCosmology MATH is how we know the earth is spherical. Troll or grifter or BOTH! are you!

[@JournalofGeocentricCosmology]

@@rickkwitkoski1976 I'm a Senior Flat Earth Researcher with over five years of experience.

[@mikep9604]

@JournalofGeocentricCosmology - I guess you are a graduate of FECU (Flat Earth Community University).

[@JournalofGeocentricCosmology]

@@mikep9604 I teach now at the Flat Earth University. FEU we are owned by a Wyoming corporation so probably not the same as you're thinking of.

[@tubeguy4066]

Lmao bro seriously trusts the plane companies more than his own eyes. Fun fact, some planes travel faster than others. Just like cars and ships lol

[@awatt]

Take your own computer.😎 Globe confirmed 💯 🌎

[@alejandrovallejo4330]

1, your eyes deceive you all the time. 2, no comercial plane flys faster enough to justify your flat pizza fantasy land.

[@JW-mb6tq]

Bro… a 2€ map and a watch confirm those “plane companies”. Get outside more often, take some trips.

[@alvin2021]

"The plane companies" 😂😂😂

[@gurbinderjhita4580]

I'm not sure you can accurately measure distances without actually physically measuring the distance. Now I'm unsure of this person unbias approach (it's been good up until here) because the thing is: Globe measurement are abundant whilst us Flat Earthers are majorly playing catch up. Globers have hundreds of years and mainstream support whilst flat Earthers are newly approaching this topic. It's not very fair. Especially given NASA's millions of dollar PER DAY.

[@-ion]

They will physically measure the distance. People thought the Earth was flat for a long time, it has only been known to be a globe for 2500 years. Flat earthers have had longer to form models, including the 2500 year period. Mainstream support is irrelevant, you can measure the shape of the Earth as an amateur with next to zero budget.

[@ReValveiT_01]

"whilst flat Earthers are newly approaching this topic." Nope. Every flerf claim today was originally made by Samuel Rowbotham in the 1800s. NASA has been around since the 1950s. Excuses, excuses, excuses. That's all flerfs can muster.

[@-ion]

It seems KZbin has eaten my comment again. Let me try once more. They will physically measure the distance. People used to think the Earth was flat for a long time, it has only been known to be a globe for 2500 years. Flat earthers have had those 2500 years *and* all the time before that to form models. Mainstream support is irrelevant, you can measure the shape of the Earth as an amateur with close to zero budget.

[@derekcoaker6579]

But you can measure those distances. This Geocentric/Flat Earth bullshit has been around just as long...probably longer. Lets stop pretending you are the "new kid" it makes you look worse than any of them. Not informed on History but claiming a "New Discovery" 🤣

[@gurbinderjhita4580]

​@@derekcoaker6579 You're swearing to people you don't know, you're being angry and it's making you delusional. Nobody really cares what and how you as an individual think. Also, if you don't come with basic respect you will be ignored. Typical glober. It's sad to see.

[@kapetanrastur2945]

my reserach: jeran, witsit, mckeegan, mctool and critical think were radio silent between june 13. and june 18. and also between june 29. and july 3. those two time gaps were just before and after the northern summer solstice.. during one of those time gaps, they went to the arctic and filmed the 24 hour sun for TFE! they will give us the footage from the arctic and tell us it is from antarctic! because of of them filming the 24 hour sun in the arctic instead of antarctic, here are my predictions: 1: we will NOT SEE the landmarks of union glacier camp DURING the continuos shot of the 24 hour sun! 2: weather will be beautifull and sky will be clear during the 24 hour shot of the sun, UNLIKE what we would expect if it was filmed in antarctica. i would like if will duffy could comment on my WILD GUESS! ⚡️BUSTED⚡️ 😎

[@The-Final-Experiment]

@@kapetanrastur2945 before I respond, are you joking or serious?

[@awatt]

Yours is the 33rd comment thus freemason disinformation. You are busted. Globe confirmed 💯 🌎

[@andrewjohnston6631]

Did they also have to talk backwards and walk backwards while they were filming it in the Arctic?

[@andrewjohnston6631]

BTW This week the webcam at Australia’s Davis Research Station showed two days of clear skies and strong shadows doing complete circles anti-clockwise. Did they also record this six months ago in the north?

[@kapetanrastur2945]

​@@The-Final-Experiment i am serious.. i think this is a government project and i also think that there is no 24 hour sun in antarctica.. so i belive it is going to be fake evidence and the easiest way to fake it would be to film it in the arctic..