Last Time The Cybertruck Struggled Off-Road: We Try It Again On Much Harder Trails!

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@Arcella1987
@Arcella1987 8 ай бұрын
I think its good that you test the vehicles before the update and after the update, because then you can show "hey look this update really made a big difference, and here is how"
@PhotoHoag
@PhotoHoag 8 ай бұрын
I agree. It's impressive to see change. Now if they take feedback and adjust dampening in another update.
@tnez2009
@tnez2009 8 ай бұрын
And put the rear view screen in the mirror too .. and ceramic coated from the factory please
@iamgermane
@iamgermane 8 ай бұрын
Notice the fancy hub caps are gone??
@Arcella1987
@Arcella1987 8 ай бұрын
@@iamgermane the wheel covers? the ones that have been recalled from all cybertrucks because they are known to dig into the tires? yeah
@julesmasseffectmusic
@julesmasseffectmusic 7 ай бұрын
63ah why make a good vehicle when you can just recall them repeatedly and still make money
@peacems
@peacems 8 ай бұрын
Tommy slams the front into a rock then says watch out for that bush! LOL!
@matthewgoedtel5998
@matthewgoedtel5998 8 ай бұрын
I've run into a couple of scary bushes in my day.😅
@stevelouie5928
@stevelouie5928 8 ай бұрын
It's stainless steel. Would it even leave a mark?
@Cloud30000
@Cloud30000 8 ай бұрын
I can tell you from experience in cookware that stainless steel absolutely scratches, bends, and dents, it just doesn’t rust. It also reacts with some materials causing pit marks, but not sure if that would afflict the Cybertruck. I should look into old DeLoreans to see how stainless steel really holds up over time.
@stevelouie5928
@stevelouie5928 8 ай бұрын
@@Cloud30000 The guy from Legit Street Cars just cleaned one up from a barn find. Looks pretty damn good.
@SkepticalZack
@SkepticalZack 8 ай бұрын
Pretty huge hater he but I’m pretty impressed
@MxRider684
@MxRider684 8 ай бұрын
Cybertruck and the red rock/dirt looks like it’s on Mars!!!
@carholic-sz3qv
@carholic-sz3qv 8 ай бұрын
Lol really! Are you at that point?!
@MrRoadWorrier
@MrRoadWorrier 8 ай бұрын
@@carholic-sz3qv It looks more like it's on Uranus
@samjohnson9894
@samjohnson9894 8 ай бұрын
And NOW you understand why Musk built it. It's intended to be used on Mars when Starship gets there. This was known from the beginning. Plenty of time to work the bugs out.
@positivewarrior5206
@positivewarrior5206 8 ай бұрын
Underrated comment
@Jose_Lima
@Jose_Lima 8 ай бұрын
Of course, it is Alien! 😊
@dalejones4322
@dalejones4322 8 ай бұрын
Great video. I'm glad you did both videos with and without the update to show how much it improved. Alex did a stellar job with the camera work. He's A horrible spotter but a hell of a camera man lol.
@sviney
@sviney 8 ай бұрын
The cut to Tommy blowing the Defender tire cracks me up every time 😂
@Aldeeezzy
@Aldeeezzy 8 ай бұрын
He sounded like an angry grandma 👵
@backwoodstherapy
@backwoodstherapy 8 ай бұрын
"Fu*kin' A!" does make me laugh. Some of the best footage in the TFL archive for sure.
@useritscarrot
@useritscarrot 8 ай бұрын
Lmfao
@ElTacoXD
@ElTacoXD 8 ай бұрын
@@backwoodstherapythey gotta do T shirt with his face saying that
@backwoodstherapy
@backwoodstherapy 8 ай бұрын
@@ElTacoXD that would be the best-selling to shirt of all rime
@Ferrari348GTS
@Ferrari348GTS 8 ай бұрын
Kudos to whoever is responsible for that epically cinematic sand scene! Music was on point
@thewaterboy2013
@thewaterboy2013 8 ай бұрын
Could never hate ya Tommy. Thanks for doing a revisit after the update. You guys are covering this thing in an objective manner and that is especially challenging with how polarizing this it is.
@TFLoffroad
@TFLoffroad 8 ай бұрын
Thanks!
@ArmandBarbe
@ArmandBarbe 8 ай бұрын
Hey, you can bring your 110 V compressor and air up, drive your impact wrench, nail together your overnight shelter, whatever.
@deanrhodenizer938
@deanrhodenizer938 8 ай бұрын
Yes, exactly, And I am sure there are standard 12V DC power outlets as well for a portable compressor
@porcelainthunder2213
@porcelainthunder2213 8 ай бұрын
Or buy a cordless one. Those little things work great!
@domg7359
@domg7359 8 ай бұрын
@@porcelainthunder2213 I bought a Fanttik X9 Ultra for my Cybertruck. Works great. No cord to chase.
@EricMeins
@EricMeins 8 ай бұрын
"All of our compressors need a 12 volt battery so since the CT runs on a 48 volt system I'll have to go to a gas station." ??? As you point out, the truck has standard outlets for you to plug in your air compressor or even a cordless one which you almost certainly already own. Likely, he was thinking about the Rivian's built in air compressor and how "cool" that is. Personally, I've always considered the Rivian's flashlight in the door, portable speaker under the center console, and even the onboard compressor, gimmicks that sell the truck, and then quickly break or become outdated just to take up space. Kinda like the compass in the stock of Ralphie's Red Ryder BB gun from "A Christmas Story". Does anyone actually put a compass in the stock of their deer rifle?
@pk2119
@pk2119 8 ай бұрын
⁠@@deanrhodenizer938 Most of high-powered 12v compressors draw too much amps for standard 12v outlet and clamp directly to the battery.
@hui975
@hui975 5 ай бұрын
Amazing how these cars are getting better in real time thanks to these updates and feedback from haters 😂
@Zatoichinisanyon
@Zatoichinisanyon 8 ай бұрын
Keep using it like a truck - fun to watch. I hope you’re kidding about Dad worrying about scratches on bumpers from going off road.
@krane15
@krane15 8 ай бұрын
Well he certainly won't be happy about it.
@LTdesign13
@LTdesign13 7 ай бұрын
@@krane15 Tesla owner: "Buys a truck to do truck things" Also Tesla owner: "Upset when truck gets scratched doing truck things" Man, Tesla people are thick skulled.
@p.chuckmoralesesquire3965
@p.chuckmoralesesquire3965 7 ай бұрын
seems like a lot of these youtubers are mostly failkids propped up by their parents
@ibsn87
@ibsn87 7 ай бұрын
@@LTdesign13I don’t know one person who is comfortable with putting a scratch on a brand new car. But apparently you would be emotionless about it, you sir are the exception, you’re intelligent. 😂 did it upset you the update has made this stock long wheel base vehicle capable off road? Goes trolling for thick skulled Tesla owners using their car. There’s only one pathetic person here mate. Check your mirrors.
@aviationist1018
@aviationist1018 5 ай бұрын
@@LTdesign13 i mean would you rather have a nice truck and get a ton of "damage" on it, or try to keep it nice. i think most people would rather take care of their stuff
@pierredelecto7069
@pierredelecto7069 8 ай бұрын
"well we're using it! Do apologize to my dad though" 😂. You are a good young man. Your dad should be proud you were his first thought.
@gregdavis3723
@gregdavis3723 8 ай бұрын
I think it's good that you tested the Cybertruck offroad before the updates. It's interesting to see the difference that an over the air update can make.
@carholic-sz3qv
@carholic-sz3qv 8 ай бұрын
Because the truck should have came from factory with the lockers already active like literally every other truck!
@JoeOvercoat
@JoeOvercoat 8 ай бұрын
it’s interesting to see what an over the air update that enables hardware that’s already in the truck can accomplish. FIFY
@renaissanceman5847
@renaissanceman5847 8 ай бұрын
I don’t recall a modern Subaru needing internet connectivity upgrades to accomplish anything… I sure don’t remember any solid axle long wheel base 1990s 4x4s needing anything other than a knowledgeable driver or mechanic.
@Jay-pf6ln
@Jay-pf6ln 8 ай бұрын
@@JoeOvercoat It's actually very cool how the OTA update can utilize existing hardware for new uses as time goes on. No longer does your software stay at the production year, it keeps getting better with time. Tesla is a tech company foremost, not a car company...
@NCX23082
@NCX23082 8 ай бұрын
​@@renaissanceman5847But Subaru still got software, and no software is bug free. Good luck getting an OTA.
@ranig2848
@ranig2848 8 ай бұрын
AMAZING! You get tires for most of your rigs (eg Ram 2500) - get them for the CT - Tsportlime has smaller wheels to get more rubber for rock crawling and off roading - also allows less pressure and smoother ride. Once Tesla or someone else offers off road bumpers - get them. You did for the 2500… You should try to work with Tsportline - they have some amazing stuff for the CyberTruck!!!
@DemetriosMallous90
@DemetriosMallous90 8 ай бұрын
Time to throw a better wheel/tire package on it.
@Iangamebr
@Iangamebr 8 ай бұрын
Yeah hoping to see someone test it with 18" and an aggressive thread to see how it performs, if it's a big deal.
@fastfed
@fastfed 8 ай бұрын
​@@Iangamebrdon't think you can. It cannot fit around the brakes . Which again makes. These not really an off roader
@Iangamebr
@Iangamebr 8 ай бұрын
@@fastfed already saw an 18" out there in the internet.
@imviciously
@imviciously 8 ай бұрын
@@fastfed how are you so confident? do you own a cybertruck
@frankking439
@frankking439 8 ай бұрын
@@imviciously The cyber truck is a heavy vehicle that requires heavy tires not conducive to airing down for off-road use.
@jakecease
@jakecease 8 ай бұрын
It’s pretty cool to see the before and after results of the offroad performance update. It’s crazy that that much capability can be gained from an over the air update.
@jmoneyyy2116
@jmoneyyy2116 6 ай бұрын
Gotta love coders 💻, they can do WAY more than your average GREASE MONKEY. The same coders that did this update are the same who code Space X rocketships to come down by themselves !!
@Scott-sm9nm
@Scott-sm9nm 8 ай бұрын
17:00 seems like you'd want the rear steer enabled on sand because it lets you wiggle all four tires if you start to get stuck to "bit" into the sand out to the side and pull you forward. Normally people just do this with front tires but you have the rear tire movement. -- same for mud or snow I'd think.
@markclinton2425
@markclinton2425 8 ай бұрын
That's a good point
@jimfergusondev
@jimfergusondev 8 ай бұрын
2:05 you could run a 110v or 220v air compressor to fill the tires
@KB-1976
@KB-1976 8 ай бұрын
lol
@SmittyAZ
@SmittyAZ 8 ай бұрын
Or use the 12V jump lugs?
@jebes909090
@jebes909090 8 ай бұрын
was it really that hard for tesla to include a jack in the cybertruck. i know they make its a absolutely cheap as possible, but come on.
@ItsBinhRepaired
@ItsBinhRepaired 8 ай бұрын
Buy a 12v ac adapter lol
@jebes909090
@jebes909090 8 ай бұрын
@@ItsBinhRepaired thats not the point. why should you buy MORE stuff when its just basic things that should be in the vehical
@unxusr
@unxusr 8 ай бұрын
EVs and off-road are like peanut butter and jelly. Instant and linear torque, low center of gravity, silence, multi motors, no clutches and transmission shifting. Crawling on low speeds doesn’t consume a lot of energy. And downhill recuperation returns what you wasted when climbing. Then you can camp in your vehicle in “camp mode” keeping desired temperature like in capsule hotel, without running an engine.
@TheBowerbird
@TheBowerbird 8 ай бұрын
Smooth brains try to pretend that you'll run out of battery - but it's not the case! They are wildly efficient offroad because they do not idle and they have regen. ICE vehicles have to bring a bunch of fuel cans with them. None such issue with EVS. Also, I think the longest offroad stretch in the US is 74 miles - and it's not particularly technical. A Rivian did the Rubicon trail recently. EVs can go pretty much anywhere ICE can.
@fgaryam
@fgaryam 8 ай бұрын
Good points except for downhill recuperation. You're hardly ever if ever moving fast enough downhill off roading to produce the power required to even kick in the regen mode.
@unxusr
@unxusr 8 ай бұрын
@@fgaryam if you are in Tesla and have "Hold" driving mode on - recuperation works practically from the dead stop.
@TheBowerbird
@TheBowerbird 8 ай бұрын
@@fgaryam As a Rivian owner I can tell you that you're wrong. Any downhill grade and speed can result in regen. It's force based - not speed based.
@joshc606
@joshc606 8 ай бұрын
Amazing results! I’m not a fan or a hater. Just a car guy that likes something different. And it’s doing things that a Raptor should do and also will ride as good and quiet as anything else.
@KB-1976
@KB-1976 8 ай бұрын
lol
@jwalesoutlaw3294
@jwalesoutlaw3294 8 ай бұрын
Lol hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha
@carholic-sz3qv
@carholic-sz3qv 8 ай бұрын
Which raptor things is it doing exactly?!
@wjoseph-rx9mj
@wjoseph-rx9mj 8 ай бұрын
There’s no way this can jump like a raptor,TRX, At4 and TRDpro, like bump after bump with speed.
@phatspeed
@phatspeed 8 ай бұрын
Now put some 18" proper all-terrain tires on it. These stock Goodyear tires are street tires w bigger sipes.
@OverlandTravelAdventures
@OverlandTravelAdventures 8 ай бұрын
Thanks!
@stuz32
@stuz32 8 ай бұрын
Hate is a strong word ;). Real car people appreciate good engineering, glad to see it's improving. Hopefully they take this video as feedback to make it better in the future too
@JP-xd6fm
@JP-xd6fm 8 ай бұрын
Real car people hate trucks
@stuz32
@stuz32 8 ай бұрын
@@JP-xd6fm I own three cars, and I appreciate trucks, busses, motorcycles and trains, they all have a purpose
@yissibiiyte
@yissibiiyte 8 ай бұрын
I do appreciate good engineering, and this thing has very little of it. Granted it's pretty good off-road now, but it still sucks at everything else a truck is supposed to do
@stuz32
@stuz32 8 ай бұрын
@@yissibiiyte yeah I'm yet to see anybody carrying long pieces to timber or ladders on one yet. The 48 volt architecture and steer by wire is pretty interesting though
@Yachtzeee
@Yachtzeee 8 ай бұрын
I am in this camp. This vehicle design tech has a lot of promise for other future design engineering. Really excited for a daily cyber inspired hatchback
@OnTheSnap1
@OnTheSnap1 8 ай бұрын
I love how positive reviews trigger the haters. LOL. As an owner since January I’ve been loving every minute of this Truck. And I use it like a truck.
@arkayder1325
@arkayder1325 3 ай бұрын
How’s it holding up?
@CherokeeChief.
@CherokeeChief. 8 ай бұрын
lol Tommy. “YOURE GONNA HATE ME”
@websitemartian
@websitemartian 8 ай бұрын
sad stuff... why the left feels the need to mobilize against 1 man , i will never understand....
@smrtguy77777
@smrtguy77777 8 ай бұрын
It’s amazing how people that whine about “American made” are the ones that hate Tesla and moan about EVs. From top to bottom Tesla is the most American manufacturer.
@RedHaloManiac95
@RedHaloManiac95 8 ай бұрын
You realize why people hate EVs right? It’s not because they just hate EVs but it’s because the government wants to kill off ICE engines before all the infrastructure is built to support mass adoption. ICE engines are actually pretty clean these days nowhere near where they were probably even 10 years ago but they want to outlaw them? No one wants what they’re forced to have
@mylesgray3470
@mylesgray3470 8 ай бұрын
Yep, I’ve even herd people assume your a liberal if you drive a Tesla. Hu?? Why, only liberals like fast cars that are cheap to drive and made in the US? Ok..
@Cloud30000
@Cloud30000 8 ай бұрын
I find it ironic that the most American manufacturer employs the least amount of Americans per vehicle sold
@NyashaM
@NyashaM 8 ай бұрын
If they made a normal truck with their current tech no one would be whinning. It's ugly
@backwoodstherapy
@backwoodstherapy 8 ай бұрын
@@NyashaM most EVs are ugly. They try to be all "futuristic." Bruh. Take a page out of Fords book with the lightning. Just make it a regular car/truck/SUV but with an electric motor. That's it. That's what will sell.
@jaymarkkabo2626
@jaymarkkabo2626 8 ай бұрын
Locking differential in the off-road mode software update is everything.
@FranklinGray
@FranklinGray 8 ай бұрын
yep. I used to put too much stock in the engine. Now I know it's really all in the diffs. My wife has a Grand Cherokee with open diffs and it sucks in deep snow compared to my truck with LSD.
@markplott4820
@markplott4820 8 ай бұрын
CYBERTRUCK is Everything. BENCHMARK truck.
@Lucaz99
@Lucaz99 8 ай бұрын
@@markplott4820benchmark truck in what? Drag racing a 1/4 mile?
@xploration1437
@xploration1437 8 ай бұрын
@@Lucaz99jealous?
@TimeMariner
@TimeMariner 8 ай бұрын
​@@markplott4820🥳🤡
@robervin9107
@robervin9107 8 ай бұрын
Way to go guys tommy that clip of you getting mad is still hilarious. And you have grown so much and everything bro it’s incredible to see it Alex. Outstanding filming job
@volvo09
@volvo09 8 ай бұрын
I remember that episode! I think that was the 2nd tire on that vehicle that day, meaning they had to abandon the car and come back with a spare.
@TFLoffroad
@TFLoffroad 8 ай бұрын
Glad you enjoyed
@ItsBinhRepaired
@ItsBinhRepaired 8 ай бұрын
Terrible spotting Alex lol
@robervin9107
@robervin9107 8 ай бұрын
@@ItsBinhRepaired He immediately corrects that so he get five stars
@ruggedland
@ruggedland 8 ай бұрын
@@TFLoffroad when is review of BYD Yangwang U8 coming?
@richardb8492
@richardb8492 8 ай бұрын
@1:10 you said if it were a Jeep Gladiator ect you wouldn’t have to do any disassembly before hitting the trail but Jeep say in their manuals and have done since about 2006 to remove the side steps or running boards before going off road further Jeep also says to remove the bumper end caps too so far more disassembly required (as recommended by Jeep) before going off road than a Cybertruck.
@fastfed
@fastfed 8 ай бұрын
Hahaha dude the trails you would need to do to remove those end caps , the Tesla wouldn't even get past the first obstacle. The approach angle isn't even on the same playing field . And rubicons don't come with side steps, they comes with rock rails. But plenty of jeeps with steps have conquered 6-8 trails all day. Btw no ev is doing a level 5
@richardb8492
@richardb8492 8 ай бұрын
@@fastfed LoL Dude! my comment was, as recommended by the manufacturer since he stated that Tesla recommends removing this items before going off road. Jeep have the similar and sometimes more recommendations(depending on model). Again, recommending doesn’t mean you have to it. As for the capabilities differences between Jeeps and Cybertrucks, the fact that you went there says it all! Dude!
@jonathaniverson2455
@jonathaniverson2455 8 ай бұрын
That cinematic of the sand was epic!
@Cubanb407
@Cubanb407 8 ай бұрын
Great video Tommy great filming Alex. Dad isn’t gonna care. He’s gonna be happy your putting out good content and giving good unbiased reviews. I’m pretty sure those bumpers are going to go bye-bye and you’re going to get the first set of aftermarket ones to do a review on.
@myaccount__7269
@myaccount__7269 8 ай бұрын
O he will care.
@matthewandress1229
@matthewandress1229 8 ай бұрын
Great video going through the off-road settings! I’m definitely not a fan boy, but the departure angle on any truck is going to be the Achilles heel. Any Raptor I’ve used would have dragged the rear there, but that isn’t what they were targeting when they built it, and I feel like this isn’t what they were targeting when they made this. But it is still impressive it went through it all, just don’t run out of electrons!
@Jay-pf6ln
@Jay-pf6ln 8 ай бұрын
The difference in the performance between your last off road adventure and this one is mind blowing. This is a true testament to the sheer power of a single Tesla OTA update. Regardless of all the haters, buying a vehicle that keeps getting better through ongoing updates with added features and improved software is impressive and commendable!
@yissibiiyte
@yissibiiyte 8 ай бұрын
It's not like the OTA update magically gave it lockers. They were always there but just blocked. Unblocking a feature that was already there is certainly not impressive.
@Jay-pf6ln
@Jay-pf6ln 8 ай бұрын
@@yissibiiyte They released the truck because the timeline was so far off from original date. Yes, I agree it didn't magically give it lockers lol. They didn't release the lockers because the software wasn't there yet, I wouldn't want to release an inferior product either. I'd say it performed pretty damn well, haha ✌
@ruirosado6289
@ruirosado6289 8 ай бұрын
This truck seems to be already quite capable as is. It will not be the ultimate offroad vehicle, but it was never supposed to be in the first place. I like it, i like it a lot.
@TimeMariner
@TimeMariner 8 ай бұрын
It's trash & you're easily impressed.
@rksnj6797
@rksnj6797 7 ай бұрын
According to the fanboys it's supposed to be.
@tommydevine9993
@tommydevine9993 7 ай бұрын
Wasn't it literally advertised as "made for any planet"? Seems like the intention is for it to be an off road vehicle, unless they're referring to those other planets with roads on them...
@truhartwood3170
@truhartwood3170 4 ай бұрын
​@@tommydevine9993it doesn't need air, I think that's the main point of that statement. You could put one on the moon or Mars and it would drive around just fine.
@truhartwood3170
@truhartwood3170 4 ай бұрын
Need to consider all factors. Will it do as well as a purpose-built rock crawler on rocks? No. Will it do as well as a dune buggy in sand? No. Will it do as well or better than almost any other stock extended cab pickup with a 6` bed? Yes. It will both keep up with or beat other, similar trucks on the trail and it will also keep up with or beat sports cars on the road, and beats other stock trucks in tractor pulls. It's also bullet proof (for hand guns), rust proof, sledgehammer proof, will be able to drive itself, will likely get top safety ratings since Tesla always does, is as nimble as an SUV and super easy to drive... No other truck has CT's full range of capabilities. If you find a vehicle that can do any one thing better, it won't do as well on other metrics.
@DarthDainese69
@DarthDainese69 8 ай бұрын
As I'm in the UK, I don't have a dog in either argument, I say at the end of the day, you own this Cybertruck, so it's yours to do with whatever you like. Just because I don't like the look of the truck, doesn't mean I can't appreciate you putting it through its paces
@DragonZombie2000
@DragonZombie2000 8 ай бұрын
Well yeah of course he can do what he wants with it, what was your point
@BrokeWrench
@BrokeWrench 8 ай бұрын
​@@DragonZombie2000 its not a Ferrari where they reposes it if you do an engine swap or do something else they dont like.
@ALT3REDB3AST
@ALT3REDB3AST 8 ай бұрын
Impressive. Most regular trucks aren't able to handle a rock crawl course without significant modifications. For all the crap Tesla is catching over the truck, its definitely capable of modest off roading.
@taylorc2542
@taylorc2542 8 ай бұрын
17 inches of clearance is insane. Raptor R w/ 37'' is only 13''. Take the bumpers off this and it'll be in a different league.
@domg7359
@domg7359 8 ай бұрын
The difference is the ones that off-road well feel like crap on the road. The Cybertruck on Sport mode feels like a large car, it still holds corners, and it accelerates like a sports car still. You don't feel bumps and there's no floaty feeling. It's super-quiet inside, the sound isolation is really impressive. I love this truck. I'm getting lower-clearance bumpers and off-road tires, quick-disconnect sway bars, and it will be a monster offroad too.
@VoxelLoop
@VoxelLoop 8 ай бұрын
@@domg7359 Basically this, they've made something more road-oriented but that's also highly capable of off-road, which makes perfect sense. Lets be real, most people buying the Cybertruck, any Jeep, or Raptor, are just not going to go off road, they'll rub off a small splash of dirt they get from a puddle every now and then. :) I personally think they've done a really good job with that balance.
@eugenes9751
@eugenes9751 8 ай бұрын
Did you really just say something so dumb?
@twothbeave
@twothbeave 8 ай бұрын
Modest? It’s done hells revenge easily stock.
@Fonzoom
@Fonzoom 8 ай бұрын
Dude, get a 120V compressor from Home Depot and your problem is easily solved lol
@vltruan
@vltruan 8 ай бұрын
The Milwaukee m18 compressor is awesome, I use it at work everyday.
@swecreations
@swecreations 8 ай бұрын
@@vltruanOr you can buy a 240V industrial compressor and screw it onto the bed. :)
@markplott4820
@markplott4820 8 ай бұрын
CYBERTRUCK comes w/ Tire patch kit & Electric AIR pump.
@sprockkets
@sprockkets 8 ай бұрын
​@markplott4820 you cannot use the air pump, even though musk said that was a feature
@ivankuljis1780
@ivankuljis1780 8 ай бұрын
@16:10 Videographer guy makes a terrible _Spotter_ but that _Desert Storm_ is AMA2!NG to watch! Thx Alex and Tommy!
@JeepAndThings
@JeepAndThings 8 ай бұрын
I'm impressed, thank you for taking it back to Moab after the update! Is it my Jepp? no...but it's a far better Truck that the normal full sized trucks offroad! This is what I've waited for for months, someone to do a real 4x4 trip on sections of the trails I've been on in my Jeep.
@Arcella1987
@Arcella1987 8 ай бұрын
if you want to see something really cool, that someone has done with a cyber truck is heavyD sparks i think his name is, they rebuilt the suspension and the front and back bumpers and put on snow tracks on it, you should look at that video
@JeepAndThings
@JeepAndThings 8 ай бұрын
I trust TFL, and this use case is perfect for the average offrode enthusiast. I'm sure it can be built like any truck.
@TimeMariner
@TimeMariner 8 ай бұрын
Lol far better than what? A frigging Ridgeline? Get real
@JeepAndThings
@JeepAndThings 8 ай бұрын
@@TimeMariner Have you been to Moab wirh a Ridgeline? Sure Hells Revenge isn't the most demanding, but still good for a full sized truck. I've done Top of The world, Steel Bender, Elephant Hill, Poison Spider, etc, with my self built Jeeps.
@alamandrax
@alamandrax 8 ай бұрын
Sticking your hand under the rear to save that go pro - now that's a brave man.
@gerrycrisostomo6571
@gerrycrisostomo6571 8 ай бұрын
Good test. It flies on the face of the critics who are saying that CT isn't a real truck because it cannot do all of the things that you normally do with a truck like off roading. With off road tires with super aggressive treads, I bet it will do even better.
@TimeMariner
@TimeMariner 8 ай бұрын
It's a real pos
@gerrycrisostomo6571
@gerrycrisostomo6571 8 ай бұрын
@@TimeMariner Look who's talking...🤣🤣🤣 The Cybertruck is sought after by almost everyone, even by the rich, famous and celebrities. They are willing to pay huge amount of money buying slightly used Cybertrucks from the original owners so that they can get one. Everybody loves it and for you to say that it is pos, that reflects back to you, your character, and what kind of person you are ----> a real 💩💩POS. 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
@22addict40
@22addict40 8 ай бұрын
It can never do what a real truck does. Maybe Elon will send me one to try out on a farm? I won’t hold my breath!
@alexanderlopez9936
@alexanderlopez9936 8 ай бұрын
Drive it over 80 miles with a trailer on it........
@BrokeWrench
@BrokeWrench 8 ай бұрын
The street tires are actually decent for MOAB the rock is smooth and works much like a street
@WhoIsThisGodPersonAnyway
@WhoIsThisGodPersonAnyway 8 ай бұрын
All that electric torque sounds amazing in the sand!
@KB-1976
@KB-1976 8 ай бұрын
Nope. Just sinks.
@TeslaSifuAndy
@TeslaSifuAndy 8 ай бұрын
Jeeps are just legit and will have their place for sure! But being honest none of those jeeps were stock. We cannot truly compare a stock CT to a modd'ed to hell Jeep. Having said that, both are awesome!
@markburmeister4674
@markburmeister4674 8 ай бұрын
The Jeeps also work well ONLY off-road. The Cybertruck is incredibly capable and comfortable on-road, and can still handle off-road travel.
@maciejswiercz9737
@maciejswiercz9737 8 ай бұрын
A stock rubicon eats most of the Moab trails all day long …
@markplott4820
@markplott4820 8 ай бұрын
JEEPS failed the MOOSE test , and they are UNSAFE.
@nathanm8921
@nathanm8921 8 ай бұрын
​@markplott4820 good thing I don't have moose in FL
@andrasbiro3007
@andrasbiro3007 8 ай бұрын
@@nathanm8921 The moose test is not really about moose, it's just originated from there. The point of the test is how well the car can execute an evasive maneuvers for any reason.
@ercost60
@ercost60 8 ай бұрын
3:20 Excellent narration with factual info as you are doing tricky driving. Great job!
@markcoopers1930
@markcoopers1930 8 ай бұрын
You acknowledged something exists. Therefore worse than a war criminal. Love the auto enthusiast community. So welcoming so long as you're exactly the same as them.
@backwoodstherapy
@backwoodstherapy 8 ай бұрын
Car guys can certainly be super toxic. Very resistant to change. They're in the comments of every KZbin video about cars. Just gotta ignore and move on but it can be hard.
@SmittyAZ
@SmittyAZ 8 ай бұрын
You also have to dress exactly the same as the group.
@4literv6
@4literv6 8 ай бұрын
Clique=cults right? Nothing new under the sun afterall. Seen it in every walk of life, religious nut jobs, political nut jobs, people who hate those of us who are home schooled, people who hate us none vacinanted folks. People who lift weights or play sports or do dangerous to extremely physical typically male dominated job's hating on folks with normal jobs. Competition shooters, snipers, the list is endlessly full of those who want to feel superior over others=tribalism. 😐
@GoldenCroc
@GoldenCroc 8 ай бұрын
Well what you call "auto enthusiast community" is really anything but. Most of them are team fans, just like you would be of a sports team. Thats what I put quote marks around it. Also using the term "community" is dubious at best, that word is generally strectched to the extreme and beyond these days, to where its not applicable anymore. Like in this case. Dont give them credit for being "auto enthusiasts", nor a "community" they dont deserve.
@GoldenCroc
@GoldenCroc 8 ай бұрын
@@backwoodstherapy Thats because they arent really "car guys", just pretending to be. They are team fans, of the team/car brand they happen to own or wish to.
@TheBonsaiZone
@TheBonsaiZone 8 ай бұрын
I'd be scared to crack the giant front and rear aluminum castings, maybe it's not an issue?
@markburmeister4674
@markburmeister4674 8 ай бұрын
They are engineered to be incredibly strong. I haven't heard of failures outside of severe accidents.
@thetravellingpicker5096
@thetravellingpicker5096 8 ай бұрын
I did a summer travelling around welding a crack repair kits on New Holland combines. Would have been so cool to pull up in a Cybertruck and plug my stick welder into the 220 volt outlet and get er done.
@truhartwood3170
@truhartwood3170 4 ай бұрын
CT is a pretty awesome package. It's not so much that it gets 10s in any one category, but it gets 7s, 8s, and 9s in every category which is super impressive. It will beat other stock, extended cab pickups with 6'+ beds off-roading and in tractor pulls, and then go and beat sports cars on the road with your whole family on board, building supplies in the bed, and a trailer hitched behind.
@gcslade
@gcslade 8 ай бұрын
I'm a conflicted Tesla owner and a proud life long Truck guy. It's hard to admit, but I love driving Model Y Tesla for a daily grocery getter and commuting, on the other hand, there is NO way an electric truck will meet my needs for Towing of my big boy toys. I can't imagine having to unhook my trailers every hundred miles at a super charger. I think I would like a wrapped, lifted and accessorized Cybertruck as daily driver, but Damned it is Butt UGLY as stock. I've have seem some really cool lifts, wraps and accessories that actually make it look really BADAZZ. I will continue to have my Diesel HD for towing and electric for daily driving. Great review !
@shou635
@shou635 8 ай бұрын
After sitting in one, I want one even more. And more sites will need pull thru. But for camping, I’d just go 150 miles per day and stay at a campground to charge overnight.
@myaccount__7269
@myaccount__7269 8 ай бұрын
Agree. No reason everybody needs to have EV only
@pierre.a.larsen
@pierre.a.larsen 8 ай бұрын
Electric trucks can't do long distance towing well. But they can basically do everything else; much of it better. A very large majority of truck owners never tow or only tow short distances. Some will say range is a problem, that they can't do a 1000 or whatever miles between pumps, but very few bladders can handle that anyway. I never drive more than 3 hours without stopping.
@cobraskenpo2299
@cobraskenpo2299 8 ай бұрын
Hopefully soon battery technology will make a great leap.
@markburmeister4674
@markburmeister4674 8 ай бұрын
Not sure why you think your opinion about design aesthetics is more important than anyone else's. I wish people would clarify that THEY think something is ugly, instead of pretending that their opinion is a proven fact.
@anthonydotb
@anthonydotb 8 ай бұрын
Well done Tommy and Alex! You guys are fair, and probably as unbiased as anyone else on YT. Your comment about how you’re going to upset people either way was funny because it’s crazy how negative the comments section can get. Anyway keep up the great work. Overall the new update looks like a great addition. This truck with larger/beefier tires and a lift would be pretty sick.
@Infantry4Life.WarFighters
@Infantry4Life.WarFighters 8 ай бұрын
The truck looks out of this world
@solonyetski
@solonyetski 8 ай бұрын
In terms of ugliness
@jamesalexander958
@jamesalexander958 8 ай бұрын
It looks awesome
@louishendricks-tv1sx
@louishendricks-tv1sx 8 ай бұрын
Looks and is dysfunctional! Save your money!
@Infantry4Life.WarFighters
@Infantry4Life.WarFighters 8 ай бұрын
@@louishendricks-tv1sxlol
@TimeMariner
@TimeMariner 8 ай бұрын
​@@jamesalexander958it looks stupid.
@garyclark6747
@garyclark6747 8 ай бұрын
So are those actually mechanical locking differentials and do the front lock with the rear❓ 21:03
@damionfritz5881
@damionfritz5881 8 ай бұрын
Take it to the rollers Tommy
@volvo09
@volvo09 8 ай бұрын
I think it'll break them... Have they put a vehicle this heavy on them yet? They were part of a conveyor system.
@markplott4820
@markplott4820 8 ай бұрын
CYBERTRUCK went to KING of Hammers.
@trbizwiz1
@trbizwiz1 8 ай бұрын
Your videographer captured some stunning angles of the Cybertruck. I’ve always liked the truck, well not the first month, but after it grew on me. But some of those angles make it look like a masterpiece!
@FarzadMediaINC
@FarzadMediaINC 8 ай бұрын
EXCELLENT VIDEO!!!
@Dou6.2
@Dou6.2 8 ай бұрын
The biggest Tesla shill on Planet Earth approves
@leonardn.8043
@leonardn.8043 8 ай бұрын
This truck is a masterpiece. Nice job Elon!
@slyguyaction
@slyguyaction 8 ай бұрын
The CyberTruck redeems herself!! Yeah!! Love this truck!!
@mshepard2264
@mshepard2264 8 ай бұрын
Those plastic fairings are all for aerodynamics so it can make the range numbers. my tacoma doesn’t have them however its not like it gets great highway mpg.
@BrianPetersen-l2w
@BrianPetersen-l2w 8 ай бұрын
Excellent video. Tommy is a great commentator. Love the slo-mo footage in the sand.
@CursedPrinceXXI
@CursedPrinceXXI 8 ай бұрын
I can definitely see an aftermarket metal bumper appearing. The stock bumper is as it is because they care about aero (i.e range), but if you care more about off road performance and not as much about freeway, aftermarket is the way to go
@twothbeave
@twothbeave 8 ай бұрын
Already done. TSportline does. UP had the accessories almost at launch as they were given preproduction vehicles to develop the off road mods.
@curlytoezz
@curlytoezz 8 ай бұрын
Wow that’s amazing all through an update
@shaggydogsales
@shaggydogsales 8 ай бұрын
Great followup video from the salty one. Good to see the before after comparison. Amazing to see how an over the air software update while sitting in garage can transform a vehicle.
@Jamby7
@Jamby7 8 ай бұрын
Fantasic review!!! I hope you guys make a lot more CT content! Especially off road. 💪😎
@TFLoffroad
@TFLoffroad 8 ай бұрын
That's the plan!
@ChicagoBob123
@ChicagoBob123 8 ай бұрын
There ya go. Going places many trucks wouldn't go. Love the sand shots, looks awesome and would make a good poster
@JulioARodriguez
@JulioARodriguez 8 ай бұрын
This is what I’m talking about. Part of the whole experience is to experience the air software updates think that didn’t exist 5 or ten years ago. That’s the magic of a modern cars, the modern ELECTRIC cars and the magic of Tesla brand.
@usertogo
@usertogo 8 ай бұрын
There are little adjustable step down converters (good for 200-300W) you could install in your car compressor or make an adapters cable, ore use the 120/240V outlet. The tesla doesn't share it's built in compressor?
@strikingthunderpr0ducti0ns
@strikingthunderpr0ducti0ns 8 ай бұрын
Finally. Cybertruck is being used how it should be used. Whenever I look for Cybertruck reviews, all I see is range testing 😭
@plmn93
@plmn93 8 ай бұрын
That's because nearly all the reviewers are tech channels who have never driven a truck in their lives. They'd be equally fascinated by a 2004 F-150.
@HCG
@HCG 8 ай бұрын
As it should be used? Lmao it’s absolutely terrible as an off road vehicle. It can’t even handle a car wash without breaking unless you put it in “car wash mode”. It’s an unreliable, poorly made piece of trash
@strikingthunderpr0ducti0ns
@strikingthunderpr0ducti0ns 8 ай бұрын
@@HCG All untrue
@strikingthunderpr0ducti0ns
@strikingthunderpr0ducti0ns 8 ай бұрын
Cybertruck isn't terrible off road. Plus, you should have some respect. It's Teslas first shot at making an off road vehicle.
@strikingthunderpr0ducti0ns
@strikingthunderpr0ducti0ns 8 ай бұрын
And what do you mean by "doesn't break unless you put it into carwash mode" 💀 All Teslas have that so that the system doesn't think the car is being vandalized or something lol. You know how sensitive Tesla sensors are.
@mikeroll9868
@mikeroll9868 8 ай бұрын
Nice report. I can see people modifying the CT with aftermarket bumpers, real off road wheels and tires ( so you can air down). And different rocker panels for sliders. It’s too bad Tesla didn’t make the wheel wells larger for bigger tires, but guys may be able to mod those also like I had done on my Tundra TRD. I am glad you liked the steering for off road it makes total sense. The steering wheel sizes is awesome. No need for a large wheel with steer by wire. It will be interesting when the rear wheel steering gets improved I.e. more degrees added with the planned update. I was happy to see you not baby the truck like many will do because it is a truck after all. A full size truck isn’t the greatest on steep approach angles but it looked like it did well. I forgot to add that soon I think you will see Baja style spare tire racks above the bed for a spare tire.
@mcunha81
@mcunha81 8 ай бұрын
I think your thinking of the plaid, when u mentioned the 1000hp number, the beast CT trimotor has 845hp...great video,its amazing what they can do with software updates
@johntheux9238
@johntheux9238 8 ай бұрын
Yes, the Plaid has carbon fiber wrapped rotors for more RPM while the cybertruck has hairpin stators for a stronger magnetic field and more torque. Can't wait for them to combine both and get ~1'600 hp. Hopefully in the roadster.
@boostav
@boostav 8 ай бұрын
11:54 Inevitable due to the sway bars, only way is to get some disconnecting ones.
@stevelouie5928
@stevelouie5928 8 ай бұрын
Here's an idea. Make a mini truck out of this design language. Something the size of the original tacoma, give it 300 hp and call it a day. If the price was 30k, it would sell by the bucket loads.
@dvader3263
@dvader3263 8 ай бұрын
True, it would sell bucket loads, just like Tesla will be doing with the CyberTruck.
@stevelouie5928
@stevelouie5928 8 ай бұрын
@@dvader3263 I don't think many people are going to actually buy the cyber truck and keep it. It's a niche vehicle.
@rickpetzold3035
@rickpetzold3035 8 ай бұрын
there are more than 2 million reservations. they've produced less than 10k so far. i think they're fine for the moment.
@stevelouie5928
@stevelouie5928 8 ай бұрын
@@rickpetzold3035 Those people put in the reservation just for the IG. They also thought it would cost 40k. You can't even get close to that price in any iteration. There's no legitimate auto reviewer that is giving it a glow review. It has many many flaws.
@stevelouie5928
@stevelouie5928 8 ай бұрын
@@dvader3263 Because you see so many 100k cars on the road daily. Ok.
@Phantastic69
@Phantastic69 8 ай бұрын
Brought mine to the sand lake dune today. Wish I had watched this video before going, haha. Good insight. Now, I gotta plan the next trip to the dune. Definitely fun
@zbyszanna
@zbyszanna 8 ай бұрын
A very interesting video, well made and feels objective. Thanks.
@surferdude4487
@surferdude4487 8 ай бұрын
2:20 The Cybertruck was supposed to come equipped with an air compressor as standard. On the other hand, you could cary a shop air compressor that runs on 120 or 240 VAC.
@2403rygar
@2403rygar 8 ай бұрын
I finally saw one in person, and it is much better looking in person than I thought it would be.
@Juicestonian
@Juicestonian 8 ай бұрын
Best offroad Cybertruck video yet. Thanks!
@jonathanslaughter8542
@jonathanslaughter8542 8 ай бұрын
And just think, this is the worst it’s going to perform off road from this point forward. They’re only going to continue to make this better.
@jbrucksnc
@jbrucksnc 8 ай бұрын
It's all about the tires. When a 4X4 locks it's axel's. It's the tires, clearance, and articulation that makes the biggest difference
@drnick40
@drnick40 8 ай бұрын
An objective video Tommy. Thank you! The Cybertruck is getting better and better. Becoming the “Swiss knife” of a vehicle.
@jamesp6283
@jamesp6283 8 ай бұрын
It has a tapered almost useless bed. Wouldn’t call it Swiss Army knife by any means
@michaelpartridge3723
@michaelpartridge3723 8 ай бұрын
@@jamesp6283makes me think of a terex truck bed. They don’t seem useless, seems easier to get gravel, sand, dirt out of then sweeping around wheel wells.
@gloredon
@gloredon 8 ай бұрын
@@jamesp6283 For what I would put in the bed? Just as useful as any other full-sized (but non-8' bed equipped truck). The only issue is not being able to reach over the sides near the front easily. a short, folding stepstool will fix that for those of us under 6'9" tall. Keep it under the back seat.
@aaronbritt2025
@aaronbritt2025 8 ай бұрын
@2:20... So it doesn't have a DC to DC converter with a 12 V outlet? Seems like a silly omission on Tesla's part. I know some manufacturers are ditching the 12V plug for USB power ports, which I also think is stupid.
@TheAdventureKean
@TheAdventureKean 8 ай бұрын
Tommy-you are driving a big RC car! Love it though. I want one and my wife says she will not ride with me if I get it. But she doesn’t like my TRX either.
@rmat9023
@rmat9023 8 ай бұрын
your air pump is 12v and the CT is 48, is there some kinda inverter or something so you CAN use it to air up your tires?
@frankr111th
@frankr111th 8 ай бұрын
I'm curious how much battery you used doing the off-roading and the sand running?
@AK-IT
@AK-IT 8 ай бұрын
How does the air suspension feel driving over bumps compared to springs in other trucks?
@CyberTruckOne
@CyberTruckOne 8 ай бұрын
YEAAHHHH! The old farts in the balcony from the Muppet Show are gone. The son with no bias and a CT with off roading software and you get an honest review.. Thanks appreciate the effort!!
@sethwatson5797
@sethwatson5797 8 ай бұрын
Grwat video thank you Tommy. Dear tesla where is the on board air compressor you promised!? Come on guys get with it!
@bryone6421
@bryone6421 8 ай бұрын
Love your work Tommy. But I can’t help but notice how the truck looks like Tommy Boy doing Ballet. Even left a mark.
@TFLoffroad
@TFLoffroad 8 ай бұрын
Good point
@robwatson3600
@robwatson3600 8 ай бұрын
Can you put 18" wheels with 35" tires
@phatspeed
@phatspeed 8 ай бұрын
Now put some 18" proper offroad tires on it. These stock Goodyear tires are basically street tires with deeper sipes.
@jaroslavcharvat5171
@jaroslavcharvat5171 8 ай бұрын
2:15 the 12V "cigarette lighter" socket is not a thing there? Also, do you not have a backup normal vehicle with all normal stuff with you because who knows what can happen? Bold!
@LCW_01
@LCW_01 8 ай бұрын
Need a Rivian vs Cybertruck Off-Road Shootout at Moab.
@DM-lc6pp
@DM-lc6pp 8 ай бұрын
Great video you guys redeemed yourself from last video 💪🏻 ❤
@emmanuelhernandez8812
@emmanuelhernandez8812 8 ай бұрын
Haters gonna hate.... keep the cyber-videos coming. Get video btw!
@G-Rated
@G-Rated 8 ай бұрын
Y’all hate even harder on the GMC Hummer twins though lol 😂
@WCR10851
@WCR10851 8 ай бұрын
Is there any chance that you can do same path in real time with the Cybertruck, and a 1500 ZR2, Tremor, or equivalent Ram to make a real-world comparison? Anything like that coming soon?
@Dontmesw.iT.
@Dontmesw.iT. 8 ай бұрын
Better video, get a spare, (and a pump) change the pressure and try it again..? You pointed out one of the best things about owning a Tesla, it just keeps getting better over the years of ownership as a result of the OTA updates🤓👍🏻👍🏻
@hankkingsley9183
@hankkingsley9183 8 ай бұрын
To be fair there are other factors than software updates to consider. You can't for instance update the extremely dated design of their cars with a software update. Or fix atrocious panel gaps like you see on the CT. Love Tesla and their mission, but they do a lot wrong
@michalsalaj
@michalsalaj 8 ай бұрын
@@hankkingsley9183 if only looks is what you don't like, they must be amazing
@darkmxhishot7475
@darkmxhishot7475 8 ай бұрын
After you get done offloading, does it have enough battery to get back home?
@mcsike7264
@mcsike7264 8 ай бұрын
prob 123kw is not small it could power your house for like a week 😂
@quixomega
@quixomega 8 ай бұрын
The Cybertruck is handling this much better than I expected. Would many take a 100k truck offroad? No, but these will get cheaper and it bodes well for other EVs.
@c0ldyloxproductions324
@c0ldyloxproductions324 8 ай бұрын
Ya but buying evs used is not a good idea due to battery life span the older the battery gets the less life span it has and then will eventually need replaced which is a 20k or more replacement and at that point you better off getting a new car
@johntheux9238
@johntheux9238 8 ай бұрын
@@c0ldyloxproductions324 If you get a car with an LFP battery it's fine, they last over 4'000 cycles.
@c0ldyloxproductions324
@c0ldyloxproductions324 8 ай бұрын
@@johntheux9238 90% of these cars are lithium ion, and it doesn’t matter how many cycles a battery can handle it’ll still be a 20k replacement at the end of the day when the battery goes flat at the end of its life and once you hit 10 years of use you dont know when that batteries gonn a die
@lxxdakinexxl
@lxxdakinexxl 8 ай бұрын
It will be an 80k truck once you can get a non foundation series. The same price as a Raptor. Plenty of people take their Raptors off-road.
@situationalawarenesssurviv7331
@situationalawarenesssurviv7331 8 ай бұрын
after 10 years current battery tech will be dirt cheap and the new battery tech will be worlds better and longer lasting. just put in the new battery tech. get 1000 miles of range by 10 years
@dillonskinner9657
@dillonskinner9657 8 ай бұрын
Where is the open sand zone that was driven on at the end of the video located?
@OverlandTravelAdventures
@OverlandTravelAdventures 8 ай бұрын
Great job Tommy! Thanks for going back out with the new “software” upgrade. Pretty amazing. You look like your dad more and more everyday.
@myaccount__7269
@myaccount__7269 8 ай бұрын
Usually happens with peoples kids lol. But ya Tommy is doing awesome last few years on KZbin . I think car content only is holding him back . He could def be a streamer
@caffeinatedfunctionality
@caffeinatedfunctionality 8 ай бұрын
Is this the beast or AWD? I believe they use different locking differentials
@andyfeimsternfei8408
@andyfeimsternfei8408 8 ай бұрын
I'm certain Tesla could program the motors to hill hold without applying the brakes. I bet it will come with a future update.
@andrewt9204
@andrewt9204 8 ай бұрын
Maybe. Motor stall will heat them up extremely fast. For occasional use it would work well.
@andyfeimsternfei8408
@andyfeimsternfei8408 8 ай бұрын
@andrewt9204 I use hold in VFD applications all the time without issue, and without cooling. Tesla has liquid cooling for its inverters, motors and batteries.
@glennbeattie6172
@glennbeattie6172 8 ай бұрын
@1:36 let the hate begin! The truck was not born in So Cal as you stated. It was produced in TEXAS!
@stephenj4937
@stephenj4937 8 ай бұрын
But where was it designed?
@glennbeattie6172
@glennbeattie6172 8 ай бұрын
@stephenj4937 smart yet snarky. By the way, I think the CT is awesome. Tfl has a long history of misinformation on Tesla.
@stephenj4937
@stephenj4937 8 ай бұрын
@@glennbeattie6172 I have mixed feelings about it. The general shape and the fingerprint covered stainless steel body I dislike. The powertrain is quite nice though.
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