The 5 Big Problems with DisplayPort 2.1

[@Echo-Head]

It's sad how hard they dropped the ball on standardizing the actual cable spec, allowing sellers to get away with using the DP 2.1 branding without supporting the full bandwidth of the spec.

[@tftcentral]

Agreed. Same boat as HDMI 2.1 on that front

[@JahonCross]

Yup

[@livedreamsg]

The worst part is that they can use the DP2.1 label and only offer the same speeds as DP1.4

[@tftcentral]

@livedreamsg yeah I don’t see any reason why that should be allowed personally. If it’s only old speeds, they should have to call it DP 1.4. Fine if they add other new bits to that, but DP 2.1 is ALL about the new speeds in the minds of the consumer

[@tuunaes]

Bean counters and marketing scammers shouldn't be allowed inside fire arm range of making standards.

[@grospoulpe951]

I'm not surprised; for example, in the past, we had "HD ready" display, and then "Full HD". Now, I guess, we would have "DP 2.1 ready", and then "Full DP 2.1" or something...

[@lePoMo]

HD ready vs full hd: These mean two very different things, and I'm not talking about resolution. HD Ready was an actual set of requirements by the standards body, and minimum resolution was just one of them. It was to protect consumers from being duped by manufacturers. Full HD, 1080p, etc, were random labels that manufacturers stuck on their TVs. They had no value other than honour. A Full HD tv could very well not satisfy all the HD Ready requirements. It was manufacturers massively muddying the waters. That's also why back then you found beamers advertising Full HD while having a much lower resolution. Their small print would say they accept full hd input. it had no legal meaning. You could sell waterbottles with a "full hd" label.

[@marsovac]

Why hasn't the industry adopted an optical connection for displays? 2 meters of OM5 optical cable that supports 100Gbps costs about 18$, which is cheaper than a hypothetical 2 meter DP2.1 80 cable. And optical cables can go hundreds of feet it length. The transcievers use about 4 watts of power, so that is not the reason. Probably the cost of transcievers then?

[@ZylonFPV]

One thing not mentioned here that Wendell (level 1 techs) has mentioned.. the cables. Apparently even the displayport connector is a limiting factor, and AMD has made some kind of Mini DisplayPort connector for its Pro level graphics cards which support 2.1. It apparently handles the signal much better. He did a video on it.

[@ZylonFPV]

What an absolute mess. How can anyone with common sense have created this standard? It’s like USB… what a mess that is too!

[@thebinkbink6349]

Same stupid shit! Combine this with cables that are labeled with a specific stat, but in reality it does not support it (cheap Chinees shit). So much wasted time figuring out what is broken (new cable not working properly).

[@junior-OG]

usb hdmi and now display port 🤮

[@tuunaes]

It's same white collar criminal bean counters and marketing scammers now doing these decisions as those behind killing 350 people in Boeing MCAS crashes.

[@vicveco]

PS5 labels 8K in their boxes-what do you expect? They'll do anything to increase sales, even tell the "half truth."

[@Raivo_K]

I think we also have toke account t the price of the monitor. I dont expect, nor need DP 2.1 80Gbps on a 200€ monitor. I doubt thing most other people do either. But buying a monitor that has top end specs and that costs over 1000€ should also come with the newest standard and appropriate cable included in the box (looking at you Sony). When a monitor already costs 1000+ the costs of the scaler and cable becomes much less of an issue. People buying such high end monitors are not going to skip on it because it's 50-200 more expensive. They may however skip it if it has deficiencies in the specs compared to it's competitors.

[@MaxLebled]

What a trainwreck of a specification this is... thanks for shining a light on it!

[@imadecoy.]

It's worth mentioning that losing Nvidia features (DSR, DLDSR, etc.) has nothing to do with DSC. It's entirely to do with hitting the pixel rate that causes the GPU to use more than one display head (of a total 4 on the card) for that output. This is why sometimes the features are available with DSC and sometimes not. It probably also causes the extended black flickering issue. Monitors Unboxed covered this in their DP 2.1 video.

[@tftcentral]

That’s true, and their info was based on our original article on the topic that was shown in this video 🙂 realise I should have linked to it in description too, now added 👍

[@MNaka-uf9yz]

HDMI forum: We f*ed the HDMI 2.1 specs at launch. VESA: Hold my beer!

[@mirror1766]

And now you know what "learning from their mistakes" really means.

[@AngelicStreak]

Wow, they certainly do know how to mess and mud things up! Thanks for the heads up!

[@pdr7133]

Most importantly 12-bit color depth and type-c connection

[@I-PixALbI4-I]

When this copper will be changed by light? No requirement for length and MUCH higher bandwidth ( UP TO 800GB/S )

[@kaseyboles30]

They do make converters, they come in various types, but it looks like most are thumbstick style dongles (a bit larger though) that plug into a DP port and have FO connectors on the other side.

[@MrFaleh1129]

@@kaseyboles30 could you list an example , like why would someone need it if the monitor is DP1.4 even if you convert it to fiber optics your still hardware bottlenecked by the monitor main board. only solution for the time been is getting a fiber optic cable that support UHBR 20 for lengths of more than 1m

[@kaseyboles30]

@@MrFaleh1129 DP/HDMI to fiber converters are mostly used for distance today, not bandwidth. For example Linus of Linus tech tips has a server rack filled with various things including a pc for each family member and uses something like this to have the monitor/ keyboard/ mouse/ etc. wherever it's needed. He then has all the heat generation in one water cooled rack (and the heat is dumped via a heat exchanger into his pool).

[@MrFaleh1129]

@@kaseyboles30 no I believe he has a normal hdmi for video to his monitor But the usb is the icron hub (costs like $1000) to get his usb and peripherals to his gaming room Those hdmi to fiber are not 2.1 from what I looked up cause I needed this use case and did a lot of research and there were simply not any that support 2.1 If you want the 2.1 standard you need a fiber optic cable not a converter

[@kaseyboles30]

@@MrFaleh1129 He's almost certainly using some sort of extender for hdmi if he's on 2.0 or 2.1. 10-15 feet isn't very far. Though you can get upwards of 50' on hdmi 1.4, but I don't see Linus doing 1.4 if he can put in better.

[@Real_MisterSir]

DP 2.1 is simply around 5-10 years ahead of its time at best. We're already at the point where we see diminishing returns on both resolution and frame rate for desktop size monitors, especially on current gen hardware. Beyond that, going forward, the metrics that will be pushed in terms of hardware capability is NOT resolution at higher refresh rates. It's graphic fidelity and complexity. So realistically when it comes to strictly looking at viable resolution x refresh rate numbers, we will see it stagnate almost entirely for years to come. Going from 1080p 60hz a decade ago, to 4k 240hz today on DP 1.4, was a big leap. But beyond this point the returns are far less noticeable, yet the cost increases exponentially - so it's simply unattractive to pursue higher gains when we're already bordering on perfection. It's why AMD shot themselves by trying to force DP 2.1 on their current gen graphics cards. No one can even make use of it because pushing any visually intensive task (that would benefit from these data rates), is simply way too limited by the graphics hardware itself before the display output even becomes a concern. It's like shoving a bigger engine into your car, expecting your commute through traffic to be faster. Ultimately you're limited by entirely different reasons and your existing engine is hardly working as it is anyways, so upgrading wouldn't net you any benefit whatsoever. DP 2.1 is just a bit of a waste for 99.99% of consumers. And it taking the route of USB data naming and branching doesn't help either. Literally if someone were to ask me how DP could ever lose their position to HDMI, I'd say "waste effort on things nobody will realistically use, and make the segmentation obfuscated so people don't understand what they're buying". And it's literally what they have done. Absolute self shot. Sometimes I really can't fathom how professional people are behind these decisions... Amateurs.

[@edfort5704]

We need 8K displays in 16:9 and 16:10 formats, and we need them to have the electronics to drive integer-scaled all the mainstream lower resolutions at correspondigly higher refresh rates. (4K, 1440p/1600p, 1080p/1200p, 720p/800p). A 40inch 16:10 8K monitor capable of all that, with the best reliable panel technology available would be a marvelous thing. One day... And DSC is a compromise, a workable one perhaps, but DP 2.1 and higher would allow some of these resolution&Hz combinations to be displayed without compromise.

[@Real_MisterSir]

@@edfort5704 That's a whole lot of yapping to still say nothing. DP 2.1 is useless for the next 5-10 years because 99.99% of people will never have any use for it. You're not gonna run anything at 4k +400hz in the first place so why support it. Waste of effort and money. Better to invest into optical display cables then rather than waste it on useless old wire tech.

[@darrendavies1102]

So it looks like the 5090 will have 2.1 display port. Will the GIGABYTE AORUS FO32U2P the one to buy

[@George-um2vc]

Yes

[@ShalowRecord]

With full bandwidth

[@aleksandarkrstic7182]

I bought the MSI 27 Oled 360hz. Newest FW is installed. I can switch off DSC. But cant activate 360hz, as soon as I toggle off DSC, there is only 240Hz available. But if you calculate you are supposed to power 10bit WQHD 360hz without DSC. The New Asus Oled 480hz can also Support 360hz without DSC. Same connection. HDMI 2.1 Why isnt it possible on the MSI model ? I am sad...

[@corpingtons]

Mine is the oled I can power it fine 360hz must have a crappy cable

[@corpingtons]

It is possible which one do you have

[@Mortac]

A cable has two connections, so, what does your video card support?

[@aleksandarkrstic7182]

@@Mortac rtx 4090

[@Mortac]

@@aleksandarkrstic7182 I assume the monitor is a 271QRX? Do you use HDR? Since that increases bandwidth requirements. I also think DLDSR can cause limitations if you use that. Also ensure it's not the cable, but if it came with the monitor, it shouldn't be. If all else fails, I'd just contact MSI support and ask about it.

[@lebaron1568]

DSC has more latency than without? Or the same

[@tftcentral]

The same

[@duncanny5848]

The abuse happening is automatic. No question. the system has been actively designed to be confusing and easy to obfuscate and use in misleading marketing. Sadly not surprised. these codes and standards to afford deception seem to be the desired standard in all modern updates.

[@Real_MisterSir]

yea they probably got paid out to allow the obfuscation and misleading possibilities.

[@VexOoo-x7y]

Ofcourse. They will take like 2-3 releases to get it right . Very scummy

[@marble_wraith]

Between VESA and the forum that handles USB. Making things easy for consumers has been totally borked.

[@alyxredmond8753]

I really wanted a 6K panel with some sort of local dimming (miniLED or OLED) and high refresh rate (120hz or more). Having work with the Pro Display XDR for a few months makes me wish the PC market would have something like that, even if the price is outrageous.

[@davidschaub7965]

So the answer is: - VESA should release a real DP standard that stops everything being optional; - people should stop buying Nvidia cards; - and it is going to be freaking forever for USB4v2/TB5 120 Gbps display connections are running (maybe outside of Apple).

[@id104335409]

Well that sucks. Another way to screw the consumer. We need a law to stop this anticonsumer behaviour and splitting up of standards.

[@you2be839]

So, it's a mess, just as I expected. Will somebody please wake me up in 5 years to check the state of DisplayPort 2.1...

[@NameUserOf]

Display Port introduces new standard with confusing names USB: First time?

[@ShalowRecord]

Gigabyte 32inc Oled has DP 2.1 UHBR20

[@KeyboardSavant]

This was incredibly insightful! I will have to refer to this at a later date, as some of the finer details are often lost in translation.

[@deus_nsf]

Great video thanks!

[@DabiOW]

Do you think manufacturers will be able to eventually make longer 2.1 cables in the future, or is it unlikely?

[@tftcentral]

It’s hard to know. Passive copper cables are going to be difficult for sure at long lengths and high bandwidths. Maybe a different solution will be found though

[@Silverhks]

​@@tftcentralmaybe it's time for fiber cables? It seems that is inevitable just a question of when, right?

[@kaseyboles30]

@@Silverhks It's such a clear solution there are already media-converters that plug into a DP or HDMI port and have a fiber-optic output.

[@iopqu]

DSC is not lossless, it's lossy

[@tftcentral]

Visually lossless I said. Which it is

[@heatnup]

@@tftcentral according to the company that manufactures it lol. Why do you trust VESA so much? Why do you trust their marketing so much? In the same way companies like Sony are being deceitful in their marketing for the Inzone M10S why don't you think VESA could be too?

[@tftcentral]

VESA don’t manufacturer DSC. But this is based on my experience using countless displays. You’ll find other major reviewers all say the same thing too, there’s no visual or discernible difference visible.

[@theheroofourtime3578]

Its visually losless i agree with em based off my experience ​@heatnup

[@TS-ex4dl]

Nightmare for consumers!

[@KrystofKaplan]

Does it even matter buying DP 2.1 40 or 80 Gb cable when monitor have DP 1.4 and latest nvidia gpu too? It does not make any difference right? Or? I am really confused..

[@tftcentral]

If you’re graphics card and/or monitor only has DP 1.4 then just get a regular DP 1.4 cable which can be longer and will be cheaper too

[@corpingtons]

@@tftcentralthe cable actually matters regardless of gpu monitor is what matters but you won’t get the full hrz of the monitor utilized stop the false information

[@tftcentral]

Well it goes without saying that it needs to be a decent / certified DP 1.4 cable yes. I meant you don’t need a newer DP 2.1 cable if you’re only using a DP 1.4 connection

[@KrystofKaplan]

@@tftcentral so every vesa certified on their to page is safe to use and dont need to worry about pin problem

[@tftcentral]

That’s the safest bet to cross refer a cable with their site but DP 1.4 has been around ages, you can also go off well known brands or reviews on Amazon etc I’d say

[@JahonCross]

Im still using my 10ft 1.4 DP cable 😊

[@tomaszwojtkowski2759]

any news about 5k2k OLEDs?

[@BBRBGR]

Great informative video with no BS.

[@WumpusAmungus]

What is the game at 1:45?

[@tftcentral]

Not sure I’m afraid. It was a demo at Gamescom last year in 2023

[@Raivo_K]

Looks like some kind of MOBA.

[@videogaminbiker889]

wow

[@hichamlrazwani9201]

Thanks ❤❤❤

[@controverso4149]

4k 480Hz Oled.

[@Decki777]

Is there any news about Tandem OLED? Because Tandem OLED has 1000 nits Fullscreen brightness which is very good for BFI and it has way higher lifespan than normal OLED I personally think that Tandem OLED is the ultimate display technology

[@veilmontTV]

A new oled monitor or tv should last at least 5 years unless you're a super heavy user. People have ten year old oleds with 10k+ hours and no burn in. Just don't abuse it. If you don't want to baby your display at all get an lcd.

[@BurningDrake39]

Dsc is not always that great, for some reason on my odissey oled g6 when I enable 10bit at both 240hz and 360hz I get a green tint, constant and there is nothing I can do about it. So if I want to use HDR I have to set it at 120hz which is a bit disappointing.

[@tftcentral]

Have you tried different cables?

[@MrFaleh1129]

16:57 ive got a very long DP 2.1 Cable that will probably support the UHBR20 standard , but its an active fiber optic cable i guess thats the only solution right now if you want the DP2.1 standard.

[@tftcentral]

Yeah fibre cables will prob be ok but any kind of passive copper cable will struggle

[@pt-fp9hf]

i think mandatory dsc+1 any other is actually reasonable. i don't really care much if i get advertised high resolution + high refresh, no problems whatsoever. its not the same bullshit as usb 3.0 renamed twice

[@tftcentral]

I think the issue with it though is that every bit of DP 2.1 marketing and promotion is about the new speeds it can support. That’s what the connection means in the minds of the consumer, and to then say that actually that feature is optional is open to all kinds of confusion and misinformation. “displayport 2.1” doesn’t actually mean new, faster speeds at all, at least it doesn’t have to

[@NeoNyder]

Thank you for such a clearly explained no nonsense video covering this confusing topic, very helpful.

[@tftcentral]

Thank you for the feedback, I’m glad you enjoyed it 🙂

[@louisfriend9323]

TL:DW; 1) not all DP 2.1 connections are the same UHBR10 = 40 Gbps, 13.5 = 54 Gbps, 20 = 80 Gbps need UHBR20 for max speed 2) UHBR is optional. DP 2.1 = support DSC, and one of these: UHBR, AdaptiveSync secondary packets, or Link-Training Tunable PHY Repeaters 3) input source devices not DP 2.1 ready yet graphics cards, AMD + Nvidia AMD consumer R7000 up to UHBR13.5 AMD workstation W7000 up to UHBR20 Nvidia nothing in G4000 or A4000 series 4) DP 2.1 scalers aren't common high prices 5) DP 2.1 cables are very limited high prices DP40 = 40 Gbps, DP54 = 54 Gbps, DP80 = 80 Gbps 1m or 1,5m max for 80 Gbps is quite short

[@cryptout]

Good info, I like my pc far away. 5m cables are not gonna support this then.

[@tftcentral]

Not for now no, and perhaps never 👎

[@bandit8623]

why leave Intel Arc cards out they have uhbr13.5

[@tftcentral]

No specific reason, just didn’t mention them. Sorry Intel 😀

[@RafnII]

Alt tab is so annoying when you have to use DSC. I ended up going from 2k 360hz to 2k 240hz because of DSC

[@veilmontTV]

Just run games in borderless...

[@veilmontTV]

Nvidia does need to fix their shit

[@ozanozkirmizi47]

Recent manipulations will not break my determination. I'll wait and get DisplayPort 2.1a (with full UHBR20) supported display and also graphics card(s) in future. It can be in 2025... or later. I have no rush.... Companies are more than welcome to postpone the money collection which I am ready to pay for right product(s). I do not have to convince them to produce right products. They have to convince us with right products with right price. I am not gonna waste my money for DisplayPort 1.4 or any HDMI connection... I only invest "future proof" specs. Not "already dead" features...

[@ShalowRecord]

Gigabyte already has a 4k oled 2.1 full bandwidth

[@ozanozkirmizi47]

Dear friend @@ShalowRecord That is correct. But as you know, that model has it's own issues... There will be way better and way cheaper models in future, if not soon. I'll be waiting and monitoring the market.

[@edfort5704]

I resonate with you, but the situation from a manufacturer & seller standpoint is more complicated. They operate in a capitalistic environment and have to sell stuff & services to exist.

[@mirror1766]

I've seen alt+tabbing out of a fullscreen game without DSC causing several second lag too. My understanding is that lag is from switching control back to the OS for driving the display & caused overhead as resolution, refresh rate, etc. gets initialized and communicated. Are you saying that DSC adds more lag or the switch only lagged with it on in your testing? Thanks for summarizing this mess. Would have been nicer if more of the charts had 1.4 and the several 2.1 speeds marked on them but seems easy enough to follow with jumping around.

[@veilmontTV]

Just play your games in borderless

[@mirror1766]

@@veilmontTV better for alt tabbing but often has impacts to latency + framerate and the game's ability to use and control some advanced graphics capabilities. You can run into different results when trying to capture the game such as for streaming with obs-studio. Sometimes there are bugs impacting the preferred choice. How things are impacted can also be impacted by the game and its currently used graphics library, what GPU is in use, and hardware that is connected to it such as for multiple monitors. Newer games, OS graphics standards, and GPUs are making things better but its not still automatically equal.

[@jjlw2378]

I just want a 42"-48" 4k 240hz OLED TV with insane brightness, DP2.1/HDMI2.1 UHBR20, and BFI/ELMB for around $1000-$1400. I dont think I'm asking for too much. Lol.

[@GFClocked]

You and everyone else 😂stand in line.

[@dragoonxgamer]

It will take 2 - 5 year to get at that price cause these dp2.1 is a new tech

[@ShalowRecord]

It’s already available but only for 32in

[@Kapono5150]

I’ll never understand why it bothers a High end PC gamer to just run DSC.

[@G0A7]

Because people think that compresion = bad, there was a time where flac was called an inferior format because it compresed the audio but people grew up from that, we just need time and reviews

[@christpunchers]

DSC makes editing EDID difficult, which is important if the manufacturer sets the wrong NITs in the EDID. Also, DSC means no DLDSR (unless there’s a weird workaround). At 1440p at 27 inch, the screen looks pixelated compared to 4K. DLDSR would fix that. Also alt tabbing or going from one full screen app to another will result in a 5 to 7 second black screen.

[@adrienmeesemaecker2054]

We can guess in theory first product will be 8k 120hz display or tv if its supporting 4k240hz in 2-3 gpu gene ?

[@CrisIsBored]

So Should i buy a case that fits on my desk to future proof for DP2.1 ? 😅

[@tftcentral]

Haha yes absolutely 👍

[@Intelligenz_Bestie]

i don't understand why hdmi and displaysport still need to exist, now that there's a USB4 standard that supports up to 80gbps which is the same as the fastest displayport version USB should just become the one truly UNIVERSAL standard, anything that requires higher speed should just use OCulink(aka external PCIe)

[@tftcentral]

USB-C operates using displayport Alt mode though. Same challenges exist

[@AngelicStreak]

USB4 isn't a display signal transfer protocol. It only transfers data via a universal port/connector. You also need a protocol like HDMI or DisplayPort to actually produce and display the data. And DP is actually what is internally used even if going via USB-C.

[@Intelligenz_Bestie]

@@AngelicStreak yes so why do we still need to keep the physical displayport connector around? why do we still have 2 seperate display adapters(dp/hdmi) for monitors and tvs even though the difference is becoming more and more arbitrary

[@AngelicStreak]

@@Intelligenz_Bestie I didn't say we need connectors. I talked about protocols. And I did that in response to your "i don't understand why hdmi and displaysport still need to exist." And yes, we can go via USB-C port, but will still need an underlying display protocol. As to why we need HDMI/DP ports, we don't.

[@corpingtons]

@@tftcentralwe don’t want that there’s more compression and latency no

[@Takashita_Sukakoki]

hope next generation nvidia cards overhauls their PD connection (1.4 included) might fix their current bugs. At least theres a chance.

[@Real_MisterSir]

Whats the need tho? Nobody is pushing 1.4 anyways, it seems entirely useless. The actual games worth playing on a high end graphics card will never get anywhere close to pushing past 4k 240hz in the first place. Cyberpunk maxed out on a 4090 barely runs at 40fps without DLSS at 4k, and that's been out for years now. Any game worth getting a 5090 for will not pass even 144hz at 4k so why even bother forcing DP 2.1 that no one will use other than for arbitrary bragging rights and trying to run CS2 at +500 fps.. Its so useless. Diminishing returns that 99% of people will never care about.

[@Takashita_Sukakoki]

@@Real_MisterSir The hope is getting a rtx 50 series would remove the 1.4 DSC bugs (black screens) for a 1440p 360hz OLED.

[@TheOneGhost12]

Hi please go try it yourself DSC causing input lag you can easily feel this vs native . The easiest way to prove this to yourself is test it using gyro at 8k polling rate. With gyro you can easily feel input lag unlike mouse which you can compensate for lag by increasing force with your hand . But with gyro you can easily feel this. Use hdmi 2.1 native of oled 240 vs hdmi 2.0 with DSc . So night and day . Also visually is very easy to see in terms of clarity in competitive games just snipe and look around fast it’s night and day . Native is so much better

[@imadecoy.]

DSC is done in hardware. It adds something like 1/100,000th of a second latency.

[@TheOneGhost12]

@@imadecoy. literally so annoying people say this and never test it . Literally can tell 100/100 times if DSc is on or not within 5 seconds 🤦‍♂️I don’t care what people think the math number is it’s irrelevant it’s night and day in terms of feel when All other end to end latency are tuned and low

[@imadecoy.]

@@TheOneGhost12 It's placebo man. This kind of thing is easily tested with a high speed camera or Nvidia LDAT.

[@TheOneGhost12]

@@imadecoy. 🤦‍♂️literally not at all I can prove this I can immediately tell 100/100 times Iv even proved it to my brother it’s so easy to tell

[@imadecoy.]

@@TheOneGhost12 Yeah sounds like BS to me. You'd be the only one in the world who can tell.

[@GFClocked]

Vesa must be colluding or they all need to get fired. This is *literal* false marketing. They're using a technicality, but for false marketing it just has to be misleading - which it is, and seems to be designed this way on purpose.

[@techieg33k]

These kind of concerns really make me want to hold off on getting a monitor. When I buy a monitor, I kind of look at them as a long-term investment. And I'm certain to feel like 2025, 2026 might be the sweet spot for some of this new technology.

[@theninjaprestige9423]

Will the 50 series have dp2.1 80 gbps?

[@tftcentral]

No one knows yet. We hope so as it will help move things forward when NVIDIA adopt it

[@heatnup]

Most likely yes.

[@ShalowRecord]

Rumors are saying yes

[@XerXcho]

Great video. All monitors that are advertised as 2.1 and not uhbr20 are misleading on purpose, plain and simple. They can say it's 2.1 per the standard but we all know what they are trying to pull.

[@tftcentral]

I’d be very wary of any manufacturer who doesn’t explicitly refer to the UHBR speed for sure. Red flag!🚩

[@corpingtons]

Not true

[@me-kl9tg]

DSR is NVIDIA's downscaling feature, while DLSS is the upscaling feature. I believe AMD's VSR downscaling feature is also incompatible with DSC based on my limited testing. NVIDIA's next generation of GPUs will support DP 2.1a based on recent rumours. Hopefully this will give monitor manufacturers the impetus to support it. Longer UHBR20 cables would be nice, too. EDIT: Ah right yeah you mention this in the video :/ My bad for commenting before watching the whole thing.

[@tftcentral]

I look at DSR as upscaling, but I see what you mean. From a monitor point of view it allows upscaling, allowing a higher res input that the res of the panel. But from a gfx card point of view it’s downscaling the higher res to the panels lower res.

[@Kosmicseven]

Can't find the source now kind of a niche topic but I'm pretty sure AMD's VSR is compatible with DSC unlike DSR. Building onto your comment though it sounds dumb but at 1080p using DSR to upscale 1.5x than downscale to DLSS 3 Quality/DLAA looks amazing in the games I've run it in.

[@me-kl9tg]

@@tftcentral That's a fair standpoint. The end result is SSAA, so perhaps 'upsampling' is a better term.

[@tftcentral]

Yeah agreed. 👍

[@epiccontrolzx2291]

@@tftcentral Well, it is a bit strange to call it "upscaling" when it does the complete opposite of the widely understood "upscaling" that features such as DLSS or FSR do

[@ZylonFPV]

I think to solve the cable length problem, fibre really is the only way. That’s going to be insanely expensive though.. there is no way I could use a 1 meter cable in my setup. I’m using 2x 5 meter club3d DP 1.4 cables and they work great.

[@Raivo_K]

I would not say fiber is expensive. Economy of scale. As it becomes more common the prices will drop as it did with internet cables going from copper to fiber. 10m fiber cable currently costs 65€. Assuming 5m cable would be be half that at 32,5€ it's on the high side but reasonable. However current DP. 2.1 cables are only UHBR 13,5 from what i see. Labeled DP54 (54Gbps). I see no reason why a 3-5m fiber cable supporting full 80Gbps could not be sold for less than 20€ in the future.

[@ZylonFPV]

@@Raivo_K it’s not so much the cable but more the electronics at each end that would cost a heap.

[@kasuhmy]

[@TheTastefulThickness]

What are those strange triple driver speakers by your monitor

[@tftcentral]

They're an old Creative 2.1 set, still going strong :)