That Infamous Breach of Promise Case

[@IOSARBX]

Chronicle of The Times, amazing video it was really entertaining

[@ChronicleofTheTimes2024]

Thank you - really glad you liked it! 🙏 We had to construct this one a bit differentl because as you heard, the papers where in stitches of hilarity.😁

[@marilynbrown-x4m]

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[@ChronicleofTheTimes2024]

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[@Myn6211]

Fascinating Case. Enjoyed this so much that I am happy to subscribe to your channel.

[@ChronicleofTheTimes2024]

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[@tillyg8858]

That was an interesting story. Back then, it would have been better not to make those types of promises. You never know what the future will bring. Thank you for sharing.😊

[@elizabethsohler6516]

Generally it still might be better.

[@ChronicleofTheTimes2024]

Thank you - glad you liked! 🙏 Yes, well, Rev Fryer - he seemd rather demanding and not very nice! Possibly, she was better off without him, although she possibly did not see it that way. She was very active in her community and very well liked. Rev Fryer sounded a bit of a bully to us - "obey me", the colours of the bridesmaids dresses. We did not take to him.🤔

[@ChronicleofTheTimes2024]

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[@nadiabrook7871]

I've been to Royal Leamington Spa!! It's a lovely place, full of history!! I've been to the Royal Pump Room, and seen All Saints Church where Arthur was curate!! Poor Kate!! She didn't deserve to be jilted by that cad of a Irreverent Reverend!! His excuse of WHY he broke off the engagement was pretty pathetic too!! This was ABSOLUTELY BRILLIANT, Robin and team!! Thanks for sharing!! ❤👍👏💙💕💞

[@ChronicleofTheTimes2024]

What fun! It is always fun to hear of stories of places one knows! We know Leamington Spa too - they have an absolutley brilliant Saturday market there! And, it is a beautiful place. 😁 We agree with you re the redoubtable Rev Fryer👍. Yes, a definite cad! BUT, and this is so irritating, as the case is being discussed in parliament, by men, and newspaper editors, by men, there was a lot of symnpathy for Rev Fryer - the man. There was an element of Miss Lamb being wiohful for a relationship that had not been there, or had not worked out. We think they were wrong. There is such a thing as emotional investment, and in her "best" remainng years - as per society at the time. Quite sad. However, she apprently built herself a wonderful supportive community where she was well liked with many friends.😁

[@nadiabrook7871]

@@ChronicleofTheTimes2024 I know!! I got angry when their letters were treated as some big joke!! At least, Kate was well loved and supported by her family and community!! Hmmmm, our Rev Fryer seemed to have a "thing" for older ladies!! When he DID get married, his wife was quite a bit older than him!!🤔🤔 I laughed when Arthur got dismissed from his curacy at Leamington. I believe he wrote disparaging things about his boss Canon Leigh and about Leamington itself, in his letters to poor Kate!! It served him right too!!🤣🤣

[@ChronicleofTheTimes2024]

@@nadiabrook7871 Apologies for the delay - our first answer didn't "take" - no idea why! yes, we thought it QUITE funny the sharing of his true feelings of his boss and the town in which he worked! He certainly was a curate for quite a long time.....😉

[@nadiabrook7871]

@@ChronicleofTheTimes2024 I think Fryer had an overly inflated opinion of himself!!🤔🤔

[@ChronicleofTheTimes2024]

@@nadiabrook7871 😁Chuckling here.....Good one!👍

[@brianbailey5626]

As always I very much enjoyed your video. This was a very sad case I feel for both parties involved. As far as the Rev. I think he was a little bit too concerned about money. As both of them had income and many other people lived on less I think he should have maried her. Yes they would have had to turned down some on the big wedding. Also I think that he was a cad showing up for a visit to her with a other young woman. Regarding Miss. Lamb what is the old saying about a woman scored? 😡 This was a very interesting case R.C. and team l thank you for all your hard work putting out these videos. I so appreciate all of your hard work and look forward to them. Take care 🙏

[@ChronicleofTheTimes2024]

Thank you - very glad you liked! 🙏You have a more generous take on Rev fryer than we did - we think of course he oculd have married - we think he was stringing her along. We think also, he had been starting to receive attentions from other women and that is why he cooled with the indefinitely patient Miss Lamb who is knitting him socks. At that time, not so dissimilar to women today , we imagine, and hearing their biological clock ticking, with Miss Lamb's age, she really was looking at being condemned to spinsterhood. We do not think condemned is the right word, but in Victorian England it was. Those several years emotionally investing in him, then to be rebuffed - we can understand her upset. And then her upset changes to a wish for revenge. Understandable.🤔

[@brianbailey5626]

​@@ChronicleofTheTimes2024after thinking about it you are right I believe. Also I want to ask if I am off the mark for thinking it odd that he should have been looking up "all" the lady's ages in the church records?

[@ChronicleofTheTimes2024]

@@brianbailey5626 Excellent point! 👍We had not spotted that. Kind of creepy....🫢

[@mrlume9475]

i had never heard of breach of promise cases, fascinating!

[@ChronicleofTheTimes2024]

Thank you - we think so too! Very common actually and could truly destroy the life of the person who committed it. With a reverend it was double. Thank you! Glad you enjoyed!🙏

[@brendaholliday6866]

This was a very complex case about breach of promise as it relates to matrimony. I believe Rev. Fryer could have married Kate in spite of his finances because Kate had a small inheritance from her late mother. The clergyman just kept Kate like a "puppet on strings," until he made the ultimate decision about the marrying her or not. Do you know if the woman he eventually married was wealthy or not? Great investigating, presenting, backstory, illustrations, photos, and videos, as well. Take care 🦋 P.S. I enjoyed learning about breach of promise in regards to marriage. As the old saying goes, "action speaks louder than words," period!

[@ChronicleofTheTimes2024]

Well said! 👍 We completely agree with you and your canny phychological assessment! yes, we think Rev Fryer was a bit of a bully and keeping her "on a string" was a power - control thing. There were other hints of this too - changing her linen monogram to his. Deciding what colour the wedding and bridesmaids dresses would be. Repeating his wish for her to "obey" him. Ugh. When he cooled, and she asked why - we think that was the end for her as she was questioning him. And, we think he probably had someone new lined up, closer, with whom he could bully more up close. 🧐Great question re the new wife! But we do not know. If not wealthy, then possibly with an influential family. Although Miss Lamb possibly did not recognise this, we think she was probably better off witthout him. She had, by all accounts, a very fulfilling life in a community where she was valued - as she should be. 🤗

[@jbos5107]

Miss Lamb was a brave woman. Can you imagine the humilation she went through? And that appeal, what a bunch of tools they were.

[@ChronicleofTheTimes2024]

👍Excruciating humiliation. One had to be made of strong stuff or just sheer desperation to go thorugh with a divorce back them. 😔

[@Ferret8185]

I hate him.

[@ChronicleofTheTimes2024]

Yes, he really somewhat destroyed any possibility for her for a family in Victorian society. The whole "biological clock" thing in victorian times was that much more severe and that much more encompassing. Poor woman. 😔

[@iggit2]

Enjoyed, enjoyed... Especially the repeated use of Spinster 🥲

[@ChronicleofTheTimes2024]

😁Yes - that was like the ultimate insult back then! Not understanding why it is so threatenng for a woman not to be married....is it some kind of insult that a woman has not married a man? Thank you!🙏