that one vice video about manga

[@Azzaciel]

Biggest joke? That store they illegally filmed inside and censored in it's entirety? It wasn't an adult store and all the stuff they censored wasn't erotic content anyway. This entire interview was a slanderous, racist hitpiece on Japan. Vice even went and blocked it in Japan, so they wouldn't see it. That such a fake ass Opinionary (It sure as shit isn't a documentary) was actually nominated for an award for "outstanding journalism", is a joke and further shows that all these awards are just PR stunts. Even that claim early on that drawings could get you jailed in america? That was struck from law over 2 decades ago, because the people in charge realised that saving and helping REAL children is more important than swamping up the courts with victimless bullshit.

[@Urist_Mythrilforged]

Even the feds frown upon reporting people for that.

[@NeostormXLMAX]

Reminder that they used editing to darken the interview and the entire filter over the video. Similar to videos on china

[@tokokujusi5946]

They have changed and more 'progressive', now they finally realize the thing they struck out 2 decades ago is important and should be treated seriously they even goes past drawing and jailing books with words.

[@twobearshighfiving]

Schlockumentaries like this should get everyone involved blacklisted from journalism, but they garner hate clicks for their advertisers

[@MoreEvilThanYahweh]

On top of that the Vice hit piece a journalism award. What a timeline

[@jkterjters]

“We interviewed a pedophile about why lolicon is bad!” - Vice

[@flarestorm9417]

That'd be like saying Slenderman turns kids into psychopaths because those two girls tried to kill their friend over him that one time. Not to mention that people tend to look for outs to excuse their poor behavior. It's why so many people use the "depression" or "in a dark place" excuse when they're caught doing something horrible. The documentary just ignores the inherent bias there.

[@the1necromancer]

Look at how everyone on Twitter who complains about lolicon ends up being outed as a pedophile. Sounds about right.

[@destroyallfurries]

​@@flarestorm9417loli stuff may not turn anybody into a pedophile but you've got to be a pedophile to wanna see drawings of 10 year olds in stripper outfits

[@AndersonClips]

@@the1necromancer so you think the people who DONT jerk off to kids are the pedos?

[@ebenezerlembe2460]

Only pedophiles enjoy lolicon do you think normal people with a healthy sex life seek stuff like that?

[@gagefisher4785]

"Western women go home!" - Kirsche More people need to say that. Gatekeep your hobbies and interests, don't let the eternally asshurt VICE contributor in to your spaces.

[@lonelystrategos]

I remember seeing a video where a VICE contributor spent some time with WW2 reenactors portraying the German troops and predictably twisted their words to make it look like they are Nazis because there can't possibly be any other reason why they are doing it.

[@markjacobs3232]

@@lonelystrategos Shows up at historical wargaming convention. "I see you chose the german figuringes why?" "Well, i like the panzer, they have cool uniforms and..." "reee your the bad guy evil!"...strange I wonder if we should just prevent you from EVER being the bad guy in anything then? The lucifer tv series? Banned. Evil options in baulders gate? Banned. Playing demons or warlocks? Banned. Swear, people just love pointing the finger at everyone else...

[@jakublulek3261]

The only good coverage Vice ever did was on Apple being anti-consumer dickbags with Louis Rossmann. And even then they tried to screw him over and twist his words.

[@TurtleChad1]

Vice's entire documentary supporting evidence: trust me bro.

[@yokai1235]

and the source is the friend of a friend of friend has a uncle that know

[@jahndee2140]

Says a lot about journalism nowadays and how people don't respect them anymore

[@Shiirow]

they tracked down the most generic looking japanese man in a dirty apartment, sifted through his doujin collection then asked him questions but ignored context and made up subtitles to make him as guilty as possible. Poor "Shinji" if thats even his real name. "What should we call this schlub...Shinji? Thats Japanese right?"

[@kielbasamage]

"We asked a norwegian hippy who sits in frozen water after it came to him in a dream."

[@flarestorm9417]

Vice: "there are no studies that prove that fictional sexualization of children leads to real-world child sex crimes" Also Vice: *doesn't bother doing the study themselves to actually prove their point, relying on anecdotal information and mass generalizations instead.*

[@kylethomas9130]

This ""documentary"" has been nominated for an award. Peak Hollywood.

[@0neDoomedSpaceMarine]

What kind of award? Generally, they aren't exactly worth very much these days.

[@unpopularopinions7407]

That’s still insane to me because as a documentary, nothing about it seems particularly special

[@TheyAreHere2]

​@@0neDoomedSpaceMarineVice is nominated for an Emmy in the category of "Outstanding Arts, Culture or Entertainment Coverage" for this video.

[@Michael-hj7vj]

Fucking kek. Creators of this "documentary" just invaded another culture, called people pedophiles without even trying to research the topic, much less understand it, and bailed. Truly peak Hollywood.

[@Shiirow]

@@TheyAreHere2 Nominated for an emmy in the category of "Outstanding Propaganda Video"

[@CrizzyEyes]

Wow, the part about US law is so bullshit. There is only one guy that ever went to jail for having loli doujinshi, and it's because he imported it from Japan using the USPS. The law actually had nothing to do with CP law but trading/transporting obscene material across state lines. "Animated CP" means that the subject of the material must be a real child. Loli doujinshi would never get you imprisoned in the US unless you did something weird with it like show it to kids at a school.

[@0neDoomedSpaceMarine]

Yes, the actual laws and the precious few cases which have happened are widely misrepresented and distorted, even by some law firms chasing clout from Twittards. There's nearly a dozen other cases vaguely referenced which all involve previously convicted child sex offenders caught with actual CSAM or otherwise gravely violating their parole conditions, along with plea deals.

[@unpopularopinions7407]

>it’s because he imported it from Japan using the USPS that’s actually really funny

[@Basically_Anybody]

Isn't that the one around "with the intent to sell or distribute"? There was one bill that went through Congress that attempted to outlaw drawings, but it failed to make it because the language used was vague and open to interpretation regarding what it targeted

[@CrizzyEyes]

​@@Basically_Anybody The guy in question also owned a comic book store so it could be argued that he had intent to distribute. I'm unaware of if he actually did or not.

[@CrizzyEyes]

@@unpopularopinions7407 That sentence came out poorly. I believe he shipped it across the Pacific Ocean using a different service then had it shipped across ground using USPS but it's been a while since I reviewed the case. Dude really wanted his loli.

[@0neDoomedSpaceMarine]

I really like how the subtitles twists people's wordings, Vice has such strong integrity.

[@Shiirow]

I love subtitles in general, especially KZbin subtitles because they are straight up the most racist subtitles around. Calling white people, whitey, or "YT", even if the person says white.

[@simonbelmont1986]

Yes, integrity 🙃👍

[@rika-chan]

the ones at 22:43 are translated correctly, though he was likely responding to the interviewer's question and it was directly translated into english

[@dannyd.9932]

Literally “This work of art is not intended for anyone who *cannot tell the difference between reality and fiction* “

[@goldenlizard92]

...and if you can't tell the difference between fiction and reality, you will be released into the streets of San Francisco with copious amounts of drugs in your system so that you can terrorize "the poors" (anyone not living in a gated community or private mansion) for the entertainment of our state's failing leadership. When did things go so wrong?

[@crowe6961]

Toss that in before the opening screen for 3 seconds and call it a day. People must be reminded by any and all means necessary that they are, in fact, responsible for their own actions and that "entertainment media made me do it" is not, never has been, and never will be a legitimate defense unless they are documented as nutty enough to belong in a padded cell. And that's an insanity defense that gets them sent to said padded cell, not an innocence defense.

[@destroyallfurries]

it's still intended _for_ anyone who's predisposed to children in reality, but cope with it through fiction

[@crowe6961]

@@destroyallfurries According to a nobody on the Internet and zero real studies. I don't personally approve of sexualizing canonical minors, even if they are fictional, but the arguments people are using against it here are dogwater.

[@akkunair9392]

@@destroyallfurries the most niche and degenerate shit that most of the "mainstream" lolicons arent exposed to? sure but lolis as a whole? not even fucking close lmao, worst things the average lolicon does is say some edgy and fucked up shit as a joke but those jokes are pretty common as far as the anime community as a whole is concerned

[@damablez6461]

There is no greater degen collab than Pippa and Kirsche

[@melfice999]

And these two are still less degenerate than average twitter freak or Vice writer.

[@n_worder]

Just casual CPU discussion, nothing degen here

[@UnknownGamer40464]

Never a boring moment in a Pippa and Kirsche convo

[@mrghost3272]

Degen? They be doing the Lord's work making us all based and such.

[@NeightrixPrime]

Degen is more so normie clickbait topics. Normies can't handle this.

[@neroneroren6788]

The Vice video si the most america "anime bad" moment of the year

[@Shiirow]

its like Reefer Madness but for Anime.

[@Hypnotically_Caucasian]

Si senor Si indeed

[@markjacobs3232]

Stop arguing, stop debating, stop attempting to reason with disingenuous people. Call them their own words they call us. This isn't "bad journalism", this is racism, bigotry, and harassments. Debating and reasoning with these people never works, they just leave and do it somewhere else. Hit these jerks where it hurts.

[@alphawolf4714]

Pippa and Kirsche are trying to retake the original, cultural meanings. They aren't wrong in their approach. They just PROBABLY won't win, because the average person is too stupid to understand cultural continuity. They will learn that people are retarded, soon enough. This is coming... From a genuinely autistic person who has suffered cultural suffering myself. I had to suffer personally so much to understand how important culture and statistics are.

[@RailwayScholar]

Racism Bigotry and harassment 😂 please go to court over this I really wanna see that

[@Jobocan.]

@@RailwayScholar You're a weirdo

[@crowe6961]

​ @thefkey6241 Where in this process do you think a court is involved? This is an American organization and you can trash-talk an awful gossip site as much as you please here. They're lying about the law as well, and they also can't cry defamation and get anywhere without proving "actual malice" and falsehood (and evidence that the perpetrator knew it was false, and did not hold these beliefs as genuine) to the court's satisfaction. Even corporations can't fling defamation suits left and right if they aren't slam-dunk cases, or they will be laughed out of court.

[@Swanjeff1]

@@RailwayScholarand you just prove his point idiot

[@Shiirow]

the thing is, they are going scorched earth on japan because they cant infiltrate japan to warp their society. they have been trying for years and doing their best from the outside with their editing of manga and dubbed anime, but it usually gains the ire of fans and costs the animation/manga houses money to redo and replace whenever it happens. the "progressive" and feminist movements have very little traction is JP at the moment.

[@arsenelupin9697]

They have infiltrated them a looooong time ago and they will face the exact same fate as us, since they're woefully unprepared - it might just take a little more time.

[@ghoulbuster1]

It's a communist infiltration, just like they did in the USA back in the 70'

[@PhillyCh3zSt3ak]

Part of it is they're not even aware that it's happening at times. Most of the mangaka or animators are just going about their job business as usual because for them it is business as usual. Their market is their own countrymen/women and Western audiences are just another source of money despite being not their primary market concern. Think about Miyazaki and his famous mailing of a katana to Disney with just one message: "no cuts" after he learned that they were planning on cutting his film up to be more palatable to younger kids and making the runtime at or under 90 minutes. Imagine if he never found out? And those cuts were done not for political reasons, but because all of Disney's movies were 90 minutes only because of a study that they used said that kids needed to pee ever 90 minutes. Now we have the same thing happening for political reasons. Dragon Maid with the rewritten dialogue for Lucoa that one episode about the "male gaze?" The Girlfriend is a Gal anime MC's comment about "gamergate incels" in the one episode (granted that anime was pretty much trash and the dub was much funnier than the original)? There are a bunch of other examples I think many others could come up with too. My point being I bet that Kyoani/coolkyousinnjya didn't know about the Dragon Maid edits until people complained about it online. Meguru Ueno/NAZ likely wouldn't know about the edit made to Girlfriend is a Gal either.

[@StarboyXL9]

@@arsenelupin9697 Yes, but he's talking about Vice and the other "public" fingers of the Cabal. He likely has zero clue about what's going down in the Yakuza rn.

[@stripedgillette3580]

It's not that deep, man. Was just a hit piece for quick clicks.

[@kugelblitzkrieg]

The pedo is definitely only saying it’s the manga’s fault to deflect his actions on to something else, to blame them for HIS crimes. He’s essentially saying “if I never had access to this manga, I never would’ve sexually abused those 11 kids.” For all we know, he’s never even read any and is simply using it as an excuse to make himself seem like a better person. I don’t know why this man is not in prison, but I wish nothing but the worst for him.

[@flarestorm9417]

Imagine if someone murdered somebody, then blamed all the horror movies they watched growing up. Then imagine if some activist group said that horror movies must be banned because they turn people into psychopaths. That's the logic VICE is running here.

[@benkai343434]

I can't believe you're taking this shitty vice video seriously when the top comment on this exact video is saying it's a piece of shit documentary made to make japan look as bad as possible. On top of that, it's a fucking drawing. get off your moral high horse and go and stop your local cartel member from pawning off someone's daughter as a sex slave if you care about this so much.

[@StarboyXL9]

"I wish nothing but the worst for him" Me too, but only because he tried to pin his stuff on lolicontent

[@あきら-v7h]

It’s because it gives them substance and ideas. We do not need more pedos in Japan

[@seg162]

@@あきら-v7h How does that work, when they have less pedos per capita than the States do?

[@NotsilYmerej]

I think people like the Vice reporter forget that cartoon cp is legal where they live too. As long as a reasonable person can tell the difference between the cartoon and real life. But considering a lot of these people call *any* anime character a literal child, I’m not sure if they know what “reasonable” is though

[@VainSick]

I am like 90% sure you can only be charged if it’s depicting a real individual or if you have real cheese pizza also, then they use fictionalized depictions to stack charges based on Obscenity laws.

[@GlassesnMouthplates]

Gotta adore how Vice sheds a more positive light on the actual sex offender just because he had some "redeeming" lines but then tried to portray the eromanga as the main villain of this entire issue. I love how that one parody skit from The Onion where a pedophile gives tips to make your kids less attractive to keep them safe from predators is actually becoming more than a satire news now.

[@MrITSCLOBBERINTIME]

Famously Ted Bundy blamed his actions on pornography and more outrageously sugar.

[@crowe6961]

This is turning into Twinkie Defense levels of inanity.

[@DistractedGlobeGuy]

Yeah, but the sugar industry has a powerful lobbying complex in American government, so we know that can't be the problem.

[@theokay1]

Son of a bitch it's the God damn hostess treats that made me do this

[@breezy3176]

​@crowe6961 and that guy that thought dominoes pizza was mocking him because their mascot the noid

[@captainjaller8604]

this comes from the same site that defended the netflix movie cuties. that right there proves they dont care about kids.

[@TheMercian13]

My favourite Loli is Pipkin Pippa.

[@NeostormXLMAX]

Eh shes more like a teen

[@TheMercian13]

@@NeostormXLMAX just a shitpost broski

[@StarboyXL9]

@@NeostormXLMAX Some of us are teen breeders so it all works out

[@DistractedGlobeGuy]

​@@StarboyXL9most of the inhabitants of Pippa's area, if memory serves.

[@pinip_f_werty1382]

Shando is my imoutocon wife

[@ChiePet_]

I hate whenever this subject comes up, because i dont condone it, but its hard to defend to even people close to me because they stop listening to what im saying and only hear what they want. I dont stomp my foot, say im right, and move on. Like Pippa said, its just the same as the Video Games cause Violence argument which is dead in the water.

[@jahndee2140]

Preach, brother. It's delusional to think that lolis are equivalent to actual children, and people who like lolis aren't pedos.

[@ChiePet_]

@@jahndee2140 Exactly.

[@arsenelupin9697]

Just because there isn't an obvious correlation, doesn't mean it's good for you or should be condoned......

[@ghoulbuster1]

@@arsenelupin9697 le drugs are LE BAD

[@arsenelupin9697]

​@@ghoulbuster1 Why yes, yes they are. Good to know we're on the same page.

[@phantomgoblin5540]

Hate to be that guy but why dont they give this same "angry passion" to Shotas every single time i hear people up in arms about this stuff its 9.5/10 only females/lolis and never males/Shota. Like if you are gonna hate then hate both and not just one because it literally just looks like they are hating on it since its easy

[@parkersmule]

it just occurs less often because most coomer weebs are dudes. heated discussion usually is born from rampant dogma or stigma.

[@ghoulbuster1]

Because women love shotas, and we don't want to insult our girl bosses, do we?

[@GoyBenius_0901]

​All the fuckin twitter hoes you see crying about loli shit are either women who don't watch anime at all or absolute fucking degen shotacon and fujoshis, sometimes there's some bitches who are literal pedophiles postingshit about real underage e-boys too. It's all projection. It's all a case of "women can do no wrong and men are evil" same people that'll call guys pedophiles cause they're in a relationship with a grown ass woman that's 5 years younger than them because "there's a power imbalance you're clearly a pedophile because you're a 25 year old man dating that poor 20 year old post-minor" whatever fucking "post-minor" means, surely that'd be an adult, right? This is all shit I've actually SEEN and READ with my own fuckin eyes, these bitches are sick. Glad Pippa and Kirsche talk sense atleast.

[@goldenlizard92]

Because if they did, it would quickly bring attention to the fact that women in the US and a lot of other first-world countries typically get away with gr@p1ng young boys, and the last thing a rag like Vice would do is point out a _ridiculous_ privilege that is exclusive to women. Simply put, it doesn't fit their narrative because it would require them to admit some form of female privilege, and as a "woke" publication, they will never do that (unless it's to push trans-women in women's contact sports or something similarly stupid).

[@UnisRapper]

NEVER! I WILL DEFEND CREATIVITY NO MATTER WHAT! NO CENSORSHIP

[@darkjackl999]

There's a reason vice blocked it in Japan so they wouldn't get btfo for that bs

[@parkersmule]

it's VERY easy to separate objectively bad things, from just things you don't like or find gross. is there a victim? it's wrong. is there no victim, only a perpetrator? it's not wrong. it can SEEM wrong, and be unsightly, disagreeable, and adjacent to things that are wrong, but it cannot be objectively "wrong" if there is no victim.

[@VainSick]

It’s literally a difference between criminal law and obscenity law, the fact people are still arguing over this legitimately know nothing about the law.

[@parkersmule]

@@VainSick obscenity material often has a victim in mind. Such as being obscene to minors. However, I wouldn't confuse what is illegal for what is "wrong." Victimless crimes exist because law doesn't always represent logic.

[@metas1779]

Only Pippa and Spicy Cat could make me watch Vice content

[@nateroo1486]

25:20 Remember when the big wave of school shootings happened in the US and people said that like "95% of the shooters played FPS games, therefore FPS games makes school shooters"? Same logic here lol

[@Nioclas64]

I like how the reporter is super uncomfortable by anime, not even hentai, but is completely comfortable interviewing pedo's excusing their crimes by blaming Japanese art. Add on to this where they blatantly mistranslate everyone they disagree with in the worst possible light. These people defend cuties and actual MAP's, but smear Japanese art. This is just an attack on Japan because they can't infest Japan with their western nonsense.

[@bjornsmith9431]

The reporter is such a lying bz itch , she cant act well.

[@SeanWilliamGeorgeBuc]

What Kirsche said about Queer Eye is true. Watch one episode, blacked out, woke up with a bruised throat in a gloryhole booth. Stay woke.

[@StarboyXL9]

Based. They're all gr@p!$t$

[@TouhouNazrin]

at 7:30 Pippa has a good point. People love to just spam the "shotgun/woodchipper" as a solution but that isn't an argument and it's not something that can or will ever happen. It is mental illness and no you can't kill someone who hasn't committed any crime yet. People only spam the woodchipper shit because they're attempting to display how much they hate p-dophilia (kinda weird thing if you feel you have to show people to what degree you hate it). Also child sex abuse stats by country show that the highest rates are in Africa, and of developed countries the US rate is apparently #2, with no Asian countries even being listed in the top 10 in prevalence.

[@StarboyXL9]

The hypocrisy of Westoids never fails to amaze me.

[@Rar830]

The irony that the west frowns upon Loli content so heavily yet are also trying to make “minor attracted” an actual thing and join the LGTV yet are #2. Meanwhile Japan that basically encourages Loli content isn’t even on the top 10, I have to wonder though… Real talk do you think part of the reason is because all their desires get directed towards fictional characters as an effective outlet. I mean I imagine there would be plenty who don’t read manga, but I can’t think of a good reason why Asian countries especially Japan are so low on list.

[@TouhouNazrin]

@@Rar830 yes the loli can be an outlet for those people to focus on, but I'm not sure if it helps them suppress desires or not. I think a major point that many western countries don't seem to understand is that sexual attraction to children is not a choice. Most of the people who enjoy loli are not pedo and have no feeling for real child, and most pedo heavily favor actual child, but may also be drawn to loli due to their sexual attraction to real minors. Correlation doesnt equal causation. Thinking that loli creates pedophiles is a complete lack of understanding.

[@YingShanLT]

I just report people who post guns and woodchippers on Twitter when it comes to this sort of thing. You can't change their mind via discussion due to them seeing you as trying to get them to normalize pedophilia, which elicits a very natural and admittedly positive response of pushing back aggressively. So I just teach them via the reports (which almost always work) that threatening or encouraging murder against others ain't gonna fly. The people who post wood chipper images are in the most danger of being molested by a pedophile, because they need to grow the fuck up.

[@Kanaleah]

As a default rule, I suspect anyone and everyone that promotes violence as a solution to PDFs. Once one person I knew who was like that ended up getting busted for CP. Never spoke to him again, but he was very passionately anti-PDF. So now any time I see that kind of passion, I get suspicious.

[@vandersonjunior8018]

One of the best things that ever happened to either fanbase of them was knowing each other When they randomly appear on each other streams, you know its gonna be an equal amount of cursed and straight up funny content

[@piritualisti]

I really like that "anti vice claim screen":DDD

[@lemonlefleur6236]

I don’t play Blue Archive for the characters. I play Blue Archive cause I’m a gun enthusiast and they’ve got a lot of cool ones. One bitch even just outright has a briefcase grenade launcher thingy. It’s righteous

[@thekamotodragon]

based.

[@Rar830]

Same, except I don’t play it 😅. Something I really like about the game is attention to detail though with the animations.

[@snipermagoo]

I don't play it either, but it self-filters so well it has a lovely community. No normies because it's loli, no women because no males, no shippers because harem. Really shows who actually causes toxic communities.

[@akkunair9392]

@@snipermagoo nah there are women in the community just not the really toxic holier than thou western twitter women who screech and moan about pdfilia and sexism meanwhile at the same time uncontrollably thirst after buff underaged boys and see no issue with it despite it technically going against their logic......

[@Econ1991]

"This is too explicit" Meanwhile at the pride parades...

[@StarboyXL9]

🤣🤣

[@remen_emperor]

The issue is that these "children" are fake. We should be targeting actual, real children and just throw the word "sexuality" as a defense

[@ebenezerlembe2460]

Do you consume loli? Are you a pedophile?

[@rika-chan]

22:43 pippas chat cannot into japanese. the subtitles are correct - he said "jidou poruno" which explicitly refers to 3d. but I think the interviewer asked this question in english originally, then it was translated literally - it's illegal there so kind of a stupid question to ask.

[@remen_emperor]

So you're saying that the pedophile said that pornagraphy of real pedophilia made him delve even further into pedophilia and eventually commit acts of real pedophilia If this is true, then Vice took the "the floor is made of floor" meme and twisted it into how the floor decided to become a bad floor because of society

[@twobearshighfiving]

I hate the "finally banned in 2014" horseshit that's been going around since 2014, they updated an existing law, because some people were waltzing through a loophole

[@japoopypants7]

what is that referring to?

[@twobearshighfiving]

@japoopypants7 in 2014 Japan tweaked it's law against cheese pizza, because offenders were walking due to the terminology in the law not being specific enough, so the internet was on fire for the next few months, with journalists claiming that they never had the law to begin with

[@GlassesnMouthplates]

So that's what fueled those comments I still keep on seeing being thrown around Twitter as a way to claim that Japan took too long to make a law against actual offenders.

[@DistractedGlobeGuy]

​@@twobearshighfivingand what's even dumber is that most prefectures already had stricter laws on the books, with the federal laws only _needing_ redress because of exceedingly rare cases where jurisdiction below the federal level couldn't be readily established-like how there's technically no federal law against beastiality in the US because most states already prohibit it and it's unlikely for somebody to "ride their horse across state lines", so to speak.

[@DietrichGarbo]

@@japoopypants7to add to this there are many national laws that haven’t been updated because prefectural governments already banned things.

[@rinslittlesheepling1652]

Rebecca is a loli. Creators said so themselves. Kanna is hot. Also, funny that this bald guy tried to claim that loli stuff and pdfiles are related, when it was proven, not even once, that pdfiles brains don't react to lolis same way they react to child pics.

[@soulburner11]

Huh

[@warmour2886]

Based

[@jahndee2140]

Hello, based department? Yeah this guy right here 👑

[@rafresendenrafresenden.1644]

Are we sure her Body type is different so this is always a topic of discussion

[@emilianotype-g6877]

​@@rafresendenrafresenden.1644nah man the creator call her a Loli just accepted

[@theturtle8869]

Kirsche is becoming one of my favorite vtubers

[@AdrianCruz_]

0:16 going in blind 0:32 bears on Vice 0:54 Vice Narrator starts 1:13 Loli as a term 2:40 Vice lady(western woman) 3:01 more clothed than a ballerina 3:40 Blue Archive 4:08 disingenuous 5:06 realistic faces 5:15 BDSM magazine called 6:01 not average 6:38 uuuoohhh😭 6:56 damnit Shinji! 7:18 discussion on PDF’s 8:46 got a source for that? 9:29 crime vs reports 10:02 Vice:guilty until proven innocent 10:23 drawings vs reality 11:38 “video games cause” argument 12:17 children being exposed to stuff 14:01 Kirsche asking the real questions 15:17 adult books in an adult store 😱 16:39 there are no studies 17:15 interview with PDF || 18:10 when did it start/ reality vs fiction || 19:57 pushing responsibility 21:21 interview with elected official || 22:22 Vice translation/agenda || 23:49 does Japan have a constitution? 24:19 Vice disingenuous framing 25:06 interview with psychiatric social worker || 25:19 shirking responsibility || 25:37 Riverdale and Euphoria || 26:30 doing a study on it || 27:13 society || 28:14 skewed translation again?

[@Overlordough1201]

Wait until they find out about guro and necrophilia doujins Ayaswana better watch his back.

[@ThomasOwOD]

Necro is NOT as bad as child rp!!!

[@beefgod2370]

Someone who would hurt a child is not being sated by a drawing and someone who wouldn't hurt a child is not going to be tempted by a drawing

[@domesticonion8026]

Clearly not, this dude makes it and is an admitted pedophile

[@the1exnay]

If you replace harming of children with any other desire, that argument becomes obviously false. We have all been sated by imitations and we have all been tempted by media that glorifies. Ads exist for a reason, they work.

[@bazzy5644]

@@the1exnay That is the most smoothbrain take imaginable. Ads work subconciously and do not get you to buy something you do not already have a desire for. Also insert *obvious FPS don't make Schoolshooters dead horse argument here. Next time think for a second next time you make one of the most low iq arguments there is.

[@ebenezerlembe2460]

Only pedos like loli

[@JAWsInfinity]

I never noticed how much pippa blinks until now…

[@cirmothe9]

Must be the sniffles.

[@ConnorOblige]

It's always a good time when i can watch Kirsche and Pippa clips.

[@TheHoodedHunter]

Another banger from my favorite duo on KZbin next to Matt and Pat (rip), Mike and Zach, and Sam and Nick.

[@GoyBenius_0901]

Man I can't read "Sam and Nick now without immediately being split between the MDE boys and some fuckin futa thing I saw on Pixiv where the two OCs were named Sam and Nick. Also Mike and Zach better be Cussack and Hadel cause those motherfuckers are great too.

[@TheHoodedHunter]

​@@GoyBenius_0901No Mike and Zach of Gun Rants and Fallout New Vegas campfire stories fame

[@steventonche1037]

A fellow former best friends zaibatsu enjoyer?

[@edwinorellana9348]

These two need to just make a joint channel where they just react to stuff for hours their commentary is hilarious

[@kintsuki99]

It is weird to think about but "rape" was the number 1 sexual fantasy for women in 2010 to 2016 I think, but then "rape" stopped being a tag in porn and so it is not anymore.

[@habibishapur]

women have a fucking darkness inside them that once you see it makes it hard to feel attracted anymore.

[@VainSick]

It’s still a tag, you just can’t find it on Phub, people most definitely still seek it out. Just cause it’s concealed doesn’t mean it’s not there.

[@StarboyXL9]

Honestly that was the most galling moment for me in recent history. I remember those days and seeing that tag vanish overnight clued me in to the fact that the Social Engineers knew that patriarchy would return if women were allowed to experience their number one biologically pre-programmed fantasy head-on both sickened me and woke me up to the reality of the world (before I lived in the delusion that women were equals to men and their minds worked like men's did). It was like a public confession by them that they knew what was right and wrong and were deliberately trying to twist women to make them broken and wrong. The best way to defeat feminism and restore order is likely to encourage the spread of such a fetish among women by any means necessary. Once they fall into their proper place they won't want to leave. I've seen it happen.

[@joshuabrant7689]

Women want to be "raped" by an attractive guy who they would consent to having sex with anyway but he just doesn't ask and takes them. They don't want to be rape raped.

[@akkunair9392]

@@StarboyXL9 what the fuck is this entire statement.......

[@iamnotyu5548]

9:54 funny you mention that. US DOJ just removed the requirement of police departments to report their data to DOJ, and as a result, many of the areas with the worst crime stopped reporting...and thus the new data seems to suggest much lower crime rate in the US, which the politicians try to tske credit for, but the reality is crime has gone up.

[@gogetters6639]

If someone thinks that pointing at a form of media will lessen the blame on them in some way, they will do so every single time. People will also blame the things they personally don't like for all of society's ills; violence, sexual assault, racism, sexism, etc is the fault of violent media, jokes, porn, video games, you name it.

[@DistractedGlobeGuy]

That's also the most likely reason for the urban legend that most diddlers were themselves once diddled-they say that shit in court because they think it'll get them off, or at least a lighter sentence, but so far, not one scientific investigation has yielded even a shred of evidence to support the idea that more than a handful of them are telling the truth about it.

[@julianrobertson1869]

Yeah Rebecca from edgerunners isnt stacked so she can't really be called a short-stack.

[@borjaslamic]

She's just short

[@Taka_Tin]

Reminder that this hit piece documentary was nominated for an Emmy lmao.

[@uelld.8371]

Calling a person/character that look "young"/youthful a minor is an irony to how most people wish that they look younger especially with how today's plastic surgery and cosmetics.

[@Kazeki001]

Lmao anti-vice screen

[@CrizzyEyes]

Loli can also be a personality type depending on who you ask -- I mean actual manga/anime fans not random people or Twitter critics. Ilulu is basically just a short chick with huge tits because she acts very adult, so... eh. To many, lolis also have to act immature.

[@phantomgoblin5540]

Yeah alot of loli isn't only body type for most non-psychos (non Twitter users) like alot of it is the personality/attitudes they have which is usually either bratty or Luna from Hololive.

[@Hypnotically_Caucasian]

"My client states she had gigantic H cups, your honor." "He didn't know she was a dude"

[@IncredibleMD]

"She acts very adult." She acts like a developmentally delayed 10 year old.

[@kindafreexp1415]

@@IncredibleMD To be fair, that's how most adults act nowadays.

[@UnisRapper]

@@kindafreexp1415 holy based

[@occultnightingale1106]

As a culture enthusiast, I am alright with shortstack as a descriptor for a specific body type, but it's a different body type than loli. In my estimation, it works this way: Loli = short + petite (small chest + narrow hips), Oppai Loli = short + big boobs, and Shortstack = short + big hips. I enjoy all three in different contexts, but am firmly in the camp that, though there is some overlap, they are all different things, and it annoys me when people use either loli or shortstack as an umbrella term for all of them.

[@hightouch3986]

30 min "clip"

[@lliamthrumble]

They have done studies on human psyche and its been proven over and over and over again that we as humans can clearly draw a distinct line between fiction/fantasy and reality. Otherwise we would truly believe and love out all the heinous stuff in our dreams.

[@GNackers53]

I personally believe that some of the producers of that Vice video are flabbergasted by the fact that manga is more popular than western comics because of manga's lack of butter golems preaching "body positivity" and hyper "feminist" ideals.

[@StarboyXL9]

Can you imagine being in an ivory tower that high?

[@storkyfallout6516]

Nah that dude was a paid actor.

[@kldfurret8263]

Why would you make a documentary about something you have no science behind? Or create a thesis and then disprove it within itself? What was the reason behind that stunt?

[@ChaosMind10531]

Clout and moral praise...

[@GunthersLoyalSoldier1307]

So Vice is doing a spiel about being uncomfortable about Loli characters while also having a conversation with a man who sexually assaulted 11 kids!? Yeah, the criminal blames the fictional content for why he broke the law XD just like how everyone in prison is totally innocent because you asked them!

[@happerexanime1471]

I find loli to be weird but I don't care about it but what gets my jimmys rocked is when people complain about characters that don't look like a little child, character is 17 but you can't tell if she is like 29 or 17. and I hate when people like "SHE IS A CHILD YOU SICK" to people drawing these character in a sexy way like marin kitigawa she is 17 and people complain that she is a child she is not real bruh and if she is 18 she would still look identical. like who cares if she is 17 because ain't real and she looks attractive and she is not real who cares about an age that will permanently stay like that. heck some are stupid with the aging thing it's funny like that isekai dude who is a month old but looks 23 like how will you do the "still a child argument" when you know it's bullshit

[@Orthane]

I do think realistic depictions of children should be illegal to be fair, but when it's obviously Anime or Cartoon styled that should be fine, in the same way going around robbing banks in GTA is fine.

[@PowerSynopsis]

One day I will meet a girl as beautiful, funny, and as based as Pippa and I will marry her and get some McDonalds.

[@slifer875]

People in the comment section, watch/read kunoichi tsubaki, it was the best anime of 2022 and the best work that author had, i was impress with it.

[@ChiefCrewin]

Im not...a huge fan of underage manga or anime existing, but I would refuse to be berrated by the people that think children can consent to changing their sex or learn about sex in kindergarten.

[@CrysResan]

Yeah it's clearly the "Your boos mean nothing- I have seen what makes you cheer." It's at best hypocrisy. Though More likely I think it's deflection and blame shifting.

[@daocvet]

Kinda like how I love The Birdcage movie, and because I have watched that movie dozens of times it has turned me gay...oh wait, it didn't lol. But I still love that movie!

[@DistractedGlobeGuy]

Oh you too? For me, it was _Freddy's Revenge._

[@otakusage123]

Every time I see somebody freaking out about loli I’m immediately like “so when are you gonna get outed for being a degenerate?”

[@soulezwan266]

Aaah yes the slander piece...

[@KoboldGamer]

Shortstack is not loli, Kirsche, for christ's sake.

[@thekamotodragon]

Vice nowadays is just awful, but i also certainly wouldn't defend a few of the guys from this video lol. What i love though is how Pippa is experienced in sniffing out internet BS enough to immediately come up with the right counter-arguments to all of Vice's BS agenda'd points trying to make Japan look bad. She's very smart in that regard. One i thought of while watch this was imagine if Vice applied this same logic of stereotyping an entire culture based on a few bad actors to something that wasn't Japanese culture, huh? Suddenly they'd never air that story and would be calling it racist.

[@DistractedGlobeGuy]

Depends what culture you chose. Chinese, for example, they'd be happy to go after even more viciously. Yugoslavic southeastern Europeans as well-in fact, any Mediterranean European people except the French (ironically those who actually deserve it) would get that treatment.

[@froschnmaximus9108]

If the ppl at Vice would *read" .... REAL books .... like the original Lolita or ..... Opus Pistorum .... oh they don't even dare, bc those are considered art and international literature.... well then let me have my 0 year old candy princess, who has a licence to drive a big harley! and my cute unhinged based lil "we have a war bunny at home" Pe_Pippa!

[@DistractedGlobeGuy]

Imagine not choosing the edgy goth tween with the massive handlebar horns and the cast iron choker.

[@StarboyXL9]

"We don't condone drawings of sexual abuse and grooming of pre-pubescent children, we think its more moral to only use the real stuff made with actual children" - Vice, probably

[@domesticonion8026]

I mean, not to come to vices defense, but that's not what they're saying. Both can be bad. Just because there's no victim doesn't mean it's ok or right, and it's definitely not a solution or treatment for pedophilia.

[@0neDoomedSpaceMarine]

@@domesticonion8026 Vice loves Cuties.

[@domesticonion8026]

@@0neDoomedSpaceMarine a broken clock is right twice a day

[@0neDoomedSpaceMarine]

@@domesticonion8026 This is Vice we're talking about here.

[@akkunair9392]

@@domesticonion8026 it may not be ok or right sure, but thats on a moral basis which in this case only really comes down to the most niche and degenerate loli content which even lolicons dont know nor would codone of (like what vice was showcasing here) while vice wants to twist this as being what all of loli is about. And if there is no actual exploitation or victim in the production of this then there really shouldnt be a problem legally speaking unless you wanna preach for "victimless crimes" to be a thing like some sperg -_-

[@Se7enBeatleofDoom]

Vice News gave Netflix Cuties a good review and defended animal fuckers. Double standards much?

[@ThomasOwOD]

Animal fucking is now where near as bad as pedophillia, and the reason they defend cuties is culture war

[@padafor9748]

if you cover something like this again .. take in mind Vice is owned by Disney.

[@hesiod_delta9209]

Of all the things to bring into the conglomerate, why Vice?

[@XxzaidosxX]

The way I always knew it: Loli = short, flat, petite Short stack = short, petite, big breasts because, you know, they’re stacked The difference being their breast size

[@Alellion]

Can't say I love "short-stack" getting equated with loli or oppai loli lol. Short-stack is a way to describe actual adult women women, and has been from long before the west had loli/o-loli come into the mainstream terminology. Differentiation being short-stacks do not look young or ambiguously younger, basically.

[@onionhat745]

Don't give an inch. They will never stop taking once you give ground on anything.

[@deathgod1142]

15:59 Kirsche predicting Johnny Somali

[@Blakobness]

I heard about this video, but never sought it out because 1. Fuck Vice 2. It was only ever going to be propaganda BS I'm not a loli or shotacon, so I have no skin in this game at a personal level; but this kind of crap never stops there. Here it's just insane how badly they misrepresent the topic, even openly in their own video; not even hiding it. Despite that, people ate this thing up. Real derangement. The media in this country cannot be trusted in their competency (surprising to no one), the people running these ceremonies are bloated with nepotism circle jerking racists (also surprising to no one). I really don't understand how we recover from this, the state of our society.

[@dugonman8360]

Ive used three arguments before on the 'do video games cause real life violence' argument: 1) "if 100 people play the same game and only 1 out of those 100 enact any violent tendancies, its safe to assume that it wasn't the video game that made that one person become violent but that they weee violent to begin with." 2) "if I were to make a metastudy in inmates, convicts and actual violent offenders, not serial killers or fringe cases that dont actually matter to real life violence, interview them about their hobbies and personal lives, do you think If have a better case against Football causing violence over video games causing violence? If yes, should we ban football? I'd say no because thats a stupid as hell demand." 3."we keep thinking that society is making us more violent or media and entertainment is making us more violent without ever asking ourselves 'did yiu ever assume its the otherway around? That we're not becoming more violent because of video games but video games are violent because we are inherently violent?" People usually squirmed away from answering any of those questions but I do think they're extremely valid.

[@enderlain385]

I don't think it is that the loli manga will make you like that stuff. You either gravitate towards it or not.

[@MrITSCLOBBERINTIME]

If i remember right that was the way ancient greek men greeted each other

[@StarboyXL9]

By sharing loli hentai?

[@MrITSCLOBBERINTIME]

@@StarboyXL9 grabbing eachothers members

[@MoteofLobross]

That is a regular manga store. I got a friend with an apartment in the same district not far from there. Knew that store on sight.They just blurred everything just to make it look dirtier than it is

[@Jacktrack7]

These two are a menace2society 🔥🔥

[@akkunair9392]

man I love that movie

[@LosZavion]

Did Muda even address the loli blowback he got?

[@Basically_Anybody]

No, he just deleted the tweet and went back to the shadows waiting for his next chance to come out with his soft skull take

[@ghoulbuster1]

Muda is now a schizo talking about aliens, dude went insane.

[@NeostormXLMAX]

@@Basically_Anybodyall of his videos are alarmist propaganda, like every time a new trend comes out like for example a virus a hack or ai, he comes out pretends to be an expert says some shit about it taking over the world or something

[@flarestorm9417]

I don't think Muta is a bad guy or anything, and he's done plenty good on his channel. However, it does feel like a "don't throw stones if you live in a glass house" kind of moment. I think real-life gore is far more harmful to a person's mental state than some freaky, potentially pedophilic art porn. You can't tell me a kid that ran wild on Deviantart is worse-off than a kid that ran wild on LiveLeak. However, gore is something you kind of have to allow, because of regular things that fall under that category (war photos, crime scene photos, research material for horror films, etc.). Porn isn't as necessary (if at all), and people are less willing to defend it, so it's not as big of a deal if law enforcement goes hard on it, or if it's inconsistent on how it handles it. But with all that said, there are killers that consumed gore content for fun or out of curiosity. And that's not even to mention creeps that get a little too obsessed with horrific stories, horror movies, or the like. So you can't willingly expose yourself to that material (be it for fun or intrigue), then start making hard statements on the "fiction to reality" pipeline.

[@habibishapur]

@@flarestorm9417 people went to liveleak as kids out of morbid curiosity. Its natural. We are all going to die and being curious about death is natural to a degree. Not to mention we had to hunt to survive, and we probably have evolved mechanisms that make a degree of morbid curiosity normal. What is not normal or morbid curiosity is to go looking for loli porn. It cannot be explained as an evolutionary trait that was carried over. It cannot be explained as curiosity for something that we'll all have to go through. So, your reasoning is wrong and I hope someone keeps you away from kids. I dont think lolis should be banned since I cannot argue against their existence due to a lack of victims. But japanese culture is uncomfortably permissive of pdf behavior, as evidenced by the 11-times perpetrator on parole, and pretending otherwise is disingenuous.

[@corprall]

There is a clearly a bias in the translation of these subtitles. They also hide the questions that would have been said in Japanese so they could just be misrepresenting them entirely.

[@Tankrat6]

This is sweet finding this clip two weeks after vice closed their doors for the last time.

[@lazyllama8649]

Omg, cant believe hoq brave and stunning the vice woman was

[@yrknutzreek]

'Woodchipper!' Kirsche has beed watching JD by the sounds of it, lol.

[@happerexanime1471]

"I was just told to draw a gRAPE." the way he said it is just funny

[@caliostro9506]

I need Pippa amd Kirsch merch but in the style of clerks

[@colzaidikari]

17:50 TURN ON THE WOODCHIPER!

[@colzaidikari]

25:20 if you dident treat them by using a woodchipper he's doing it wrong

[@Bloodycupcake54]

the goofy music playing while talking about child abuse kills me lol

[@hi14993]

This journo is in the right forest and barking up the wrong tree.

[@syrenet]

Alot of projecting with this topic globally.

[@jaggin7561]

I don't like Vice at all, they keep acting like they are concerned and care about the topics they talk about it only to vilify everything they don't agree with it and make certain groups out to be these monsters. This is the most disgusting nonsensical evil scrap that I've seen from them. Yes that dude shouldn't be out on Japanese streets but instead of making a story about why he's walking free, you instead get him to blame on the anime and manga industry. Also this getting nominated for a journalist award. They disgust me and I can't wait until theyre over because they should shut down entirely.

[@movespammerguyteam7colors]

I foresee these women “going full nuclear Karen” and asking for their manager at that convention. Also fair point, why are you spreading it if you genuinely believe it is CP?

[@RamBam3000]

There is a distinction between between loli and shortstack. For example Hana Uzaki from "Uzaki-chan Wants to Hang Out" is a short stack, but she's an adult - a second year college student

[@BelongsintheTrash]

Thank God Vice is dying.

[@WorthlessBailey]

You absolutely can create laws because of personal objections, most laws exist for that reason alone or solely for govt overreach.

[@SeruraRenge11]

16:09 tbf that's not a uniquely western thing, Chinese tourists are kinda infamous for this, as were Japanese tourists in the 80s.

[@alphawolf4714]

God I love these radically intelligent idiots so much. As an autistic person who watches, but doesn't relate, to cultural deviation, these women give me hope that their is a woman who will love me in this world.