A Practical Discussion Of Guitar Tones In Church with Darlene Zschech and David Holmes

[@Nickgiv]

That’s a bigger twist than when I learned that Luke Skywalker and Princess Leia were brother and sister!

[@nybyooboy1]

You are on the awesome list now! LMAO

[@aidanswafford]

Agree!! Mind blown

[@Nickgiv]

@@nybyooboy1 haha I’m honored! 😂

[@stratcatfenderbender]

Perfect comment!

[@CR0SSJ]

So well put 😂

[@worshiptutorials]

What an awesome episode to watch! Darlene has been such an inspiration in my own life. I grew up singing her songs in church, leading them as a worship leader, and then teaching how to play them here on KZbin :). I loved hearing the mention of Delirious? - they have been extremely influential in my life as well. As a regular viewer of TPS (and owner of a GigRig G3S), this was so cool to see on the show. We are pretty big fans of church/worship guitar tone :). Dan - I also wanted to say thank you for including a link to our website in the description of this video. Very much appreciated, and an honor. - Brian

[@bmitchellmusic]

Yes! Thank you for the mention! Great episode!

[@natanartemiev722]

Hey guys! Your channel is a great place of reference! Keep it up!

[@bwall615]

I haven’t played in churches in a decade, but love y’all’s channel.

[@GaryD6120]

you do understand that she is a money grabbing liar, right ?

[@Twominutedevotions]

Never in a BILLION years did I expect Darlene Zschech on TPS. One of my freaking songwriting heroes. Mind blown.

[@billsherrington5996]

Same here!! Great to see👏🏽

[@kandrews351]

❤

[@Gorbyrev]

So many key stages of life for us have been filled with Darlene's music, her voice and her faith. What a joy!

[@GraeMcCullough]

Dan, the knowledge that you 2 are siblings has literally made my day. I have been watching TPS daily for almost a decade and have been playing Darlene’s songs for 2 decades. What a small world.

[@gratefulpipeandcigar3239]

Me too!

[@adamandvanessawilson2654]

Same!!

[@gohjohan]

I've been playing Darlene's songs since I learn the guitar in the early 2000's but TPS, was brought to me by KZbin algorithm. Either way, it's meant to be. To realise that Dan and Darlene are related, I never knew that too! Blown my mind!

[@finman76]

WHAT?!?!? My mind is totally blown. I had no idea that Daniel was related to Darlene. Insane!

[@gohjohan]

Same here because Darlene is Australian and I'm sure that The Pedal Show is based in the UK. Because of this, I never made the connection.

[@olivernunn1656]

Absolutely mind-blown that Dan and the legendary Darlene Zschech are family! Between this interview, and the JHS channel featuring Stu G from Delirious, it's like 90s/2000s Christian music week on KZbin! 🙂

[@cmatte82]

Yeah I just can’t hardly believe it.

[@antonyedwardson9900]

Was about to type the exact same thing! Delirious? and Hillsong on TPS and JHS!

[@skidmarkjohnson8452]

Wow! What's that sound? It's the sound of 100,000 TPS fan's minds being blown! For years I myself have been using tones I've picked up from TPS Friday to play Darlene's songs live on Sunday!🤯

[@JemmyJems]

Ive been waiting for Darlene and Dan to be on the show together! Finally! Yay! And also Dave Holmes is an absolute legend! Now TPS with Nigel Hendroff, Stu G and Michael Guy Chislett Next!

[@joshuaheathscott]

I remember Dan driving me from Heathrow to the film set and we ended up in a discussion and he's told me this... I was amazed! ❤

[@shanepetersen3775]

I can not believe this is real! I have been using TPS to teach my guitar players for church for YEARS. This has instantly jumped to the top of the list for my guys to watch! SO THANKFUL FOR THIS!

[@GuitarsOK]

👏🏻

[@adamandvanessawilson2654]

Same!!

[@denmar355]

There is a whole lot of us that are church musicians. This was a great intro episode to this role. Kudos to Darlene and David for representing the purpose and importance of “why” we are playing. And I would add, “ to whom”. Thanks guys.

[@andyw6026]

Dan, the humility you have shown in never sharing this connection previously, speaks volumes as to your humanity. Proud to have seen this.

[@gratefulpipeandcigar3239]

I was thinking the same exact thing.

[@ryanslauderdale]

And plus, allowing TPS to stand on its own merit and explore its own concepts. Now, you and Mick do have a lot of guests on the show, but it doesn’t feel forced (and of course, we’ve got the Name Drop Horn for that lol).

[@ShinyShinyBlack]

He’s mentioned it plenty of times.

[@joshgilbertmusic]

I've been a worship leader and playing in churches all my life, AND following TPS for years - but had no idea Darlene Zschech was Dan's sister!! Amazing!! Thank you both for being such great influences on us working musicians out there!

[@PlanetRoss365]

Know your purpose. Serve the music. Don't be a lazy player. Great advice for any genre. Thanks to all for such a wise and thoughtful conversation.

[@bbowjazz]

The number one thing that learning humility continues to teach me is that musically speaking it’s about your senses of rhythm and ear, not your gear.

[@WeDoAdventure]

When you have to blink twice when you read the video title...and then get an "oh wow" surprise in the first ten seconds!

[@hotdotdog]

That one threw me for a loop. did not know Darlene was your sister. I’m one of the OG worship musicians from 1967 as the US began to transition from Pipe Organs to modern instrumentation and I'm still serving. Great show.

[@leonardwong4538]

Best moment of the show, "Thank you, Dan, I'm so proud of you"

[@SkinnyGeorge]

Are you kidding me!?!? Dan!! How epic of you to make a video talking about this worship world. We take tone sooooo seriously like any other. But that your family history is involved as well was a breath of fresh air. Thank you isn’t enough.

[@dabjohn]

Wait, what? I thought I read your title wrong. Thanks for this unexpected feature. Darlene and David are great!

[@ThatPedalShow]

You’re most welcome 🤓👍

[@BJamin4God]

As a worship leader and guitar player there is SO MUCH good stuff here. The philosophy and reason for the worship band is a huge part of the music. And Darlene, you’re not alone on getting distracted in worship by trying to keep the band together when they’re not confident. I get so easily distracted leading by a lot of things, and that is definitely one of them. Great stuff! Thanks Dan for doing this and facilitating this resource!

[@ripw1]

excellent comment

[@Godsman1982]

I have been a worship guitar player for almost 25 years. I have been a huge TPS fan for the past 10 years. I never in 1 million years would have known Darlene was Dan’s sister! My mind is blown this was such a great episode it would love to see more like it, God bless you, Dan thank you for this episode and for all you do!

[@admarhermans1]

In all of my ignorance I never expected a show like this. I’m not a religious person, far from it. But, it’s a great and beautiful conversation/ interview. Thanx! 🖖

[@ThatPedalShow]

Thanks mate 🤓🙏

[@waynevanvorst9396]

I'm not a religious person either. I'm a Christian. There's a big difference

[@steverees1936]

​@@waynevanvorst9396 Absolutely and Amen bro!

[@chrisegg7936]

29:16 HE DID IT! He played the chord!

[@simonissell]

Glad I’m not the only one who heard it 😂

[@Leychen]

As metalhead from Austria in my mid-30s i just now realized how huge this "worship music" must be in other parts of the world, i never knew that's a thing a modern electric guitar player could be interested in. Our local churches are still medieval, and the only instruments there are these room-sized organs.

[@shauncampbell6441]

Listen to Let Your Glory Shine from Lincoln Brewster

[@homeboyjon4885]

Now I feel bad for complaining when our American churches seem hung up on the 1960’s.

[@lelongmckean]

Mind exploding!!! Who would have guessed. Darlene on TPS. Delirious name dropped. Such a great episode. Been a worship guitarist for over 20 years. So helpful

[@musicbypetegonzales4814]

Thanks for posting, As a church musician for 40 + years it's nice to hear this discussion. Great stuff.

[@jacobpittman1996]

WOW! What a lovely family tree. This connection makes my world so much more beautiful. Dan and Darlene, you both have impacted my life for decades. Thanks for your work.

[@gratefulpipeandcigar3239]

I'm having the same feeling. My world is a little better, as silly as that sounds, watching this video.

[@MrWilson-WithaPbass]

Holy Cow ! , Dan and Darlene are Brother sister ?! Holy cow ! I've been a Worship Bassist and guitar player for 20 years ,and yes have played Darlene's music that whole time, and still do now . Love the Delirious mention , Love them guys . Thank you for this Dan and Mick .

[@Gorbyrev]

25 years ago I was praying about applying for a church in Scotland. I had "The Potter's Hand" on loop and through that whole process so it was sung at my ordination service. All these years later I am still there and we are singing Darlene's songs. Thank God for your musical family, what a blessing you have been in my life and in the lives of countless others.

[@joeriffanucci]

Ive got chills Dan. This is fantastic. So cool to see this connection.

[@joemisek]

Hillsong and That Pedal Show. I never thought these planets would collide. As it turns out, those planets are related.

[@calebandrew9705]

Darlene hasn’t been a part of Hillsong for many years.

[@TrickyTrav967]

@@calebandrew9705when I think Hillsong, I think of the original phenomena and I think Darlene.

[@crapmalls]

Boatload of surprises

[@SirVicc]

Dan and Darlene share the same expressiveness and enthusiasm. Can tell they are siblings. Same smile and dimples too.

[@tylergorham7301]

So cool that you and Darlene are siblings, Dan! Great episode and nicely sets the stage for having Nigel Hendroff on the show! :)

[@lli5091]

Dan. What a show! Absolutely love it and I share it with my church musicians. Wow!! Thanks.

[@jasondejong3062]

I’ve been waiting for this episode! Worship guitar is such a huge space in the world of pedals, amps and guitars, so cool that you guys finally did an episode on this!!!🤘🏼

[@bwall615]

WHAT?!?! Unbelievable. She has wrote some of my favorite P&W songs when I was playing in church. SHOUT TO THE LORD is still one of my favorite songs from church. And, Dan I would love to have your knowledge. Talented family.

[@simonissell]

Nice one Dan! You’ve hinted at this family relationship a few times but never let the cat out of the bag until now. As a nearly-every-Sunday church player this is very welcome episode. I think there are quite a few of ‘us’ lurking here and learning a whole lot from the show. I’ve been lucky enough to meet Darlene a few times and she is one of the nicest and most genuine people you’re ever likely to meet. Dave Holmes is a legend and has quietly inspired a (several) generation of musicians to be the best they can be, me included. Thank you all for this episode :-)

[@koenfilius1467]

What a great show! Thanks Dan, gonna send this to my worship team!

[@jamiesugg]

This is awesome, and i'm only 5 minutes in! Thanks for sharing this - as a church guitarist the sounds and tones of people like Nigel Hendroff have been a big influence.

[@loopdawgg]

Nigel is awesome. so many great rythym lines.

[@GuitarsOK]

Yesssss

[@cyrusfontaine2598]

This is amazing! Shout to the Lord was one of my favorite songs as a kid, and I've been a TPS fan since the real early days! I've been taking a much more active interest in playing in church lately and the timing of this was just perfect. Thanks y'all!

[@woodbeck]

Did not expect to roll out of bed and have my two worlds collide like this! I am one of the many millions of people that sang a Darlene Zschech song this past Sunday 😂 what a legendary family!

[@Akapickles]

So glad that you spent the time on listening and attending to the purpose of the music in church. Many times there is an obsession with getting the right tone or effect, but knowing how and when to use it is of primary importance. Having led music for the last 22 years I have seen so many musicians lose sight of that. For church guitarists (acoustic or electric). I recommend first dialing in your “always on” tone and play for a few weeks with only that. Then think of all other pedals as “expression pedals” each one helps you express something different, think of your reverb as peaceful, and find the setting that best reflects that, then try to find the joy setting. Well done! Thank you so much.

[@jacobkawamoto9733]

Awesome video!!🎉 And as with the rest of the world, my mind is blown by the Dan and Darlene connection hahah! I would absolutely love to see more content about worship guitar/tones/gear on the channel and interviews with worship artists and guitarists! Thanks for the fantastic episode!

[@SkinnyGeorge]

Dude I prayed so much for your sister when she was sick. My mind is completely blown Dan! Holy crap!

[@PKerslake42]

This is absolute gold for guitarists and church musicians...have already shared it with my teams! Dan, thank you so much for taking the time to do this...(and apologies...I do have an alright pedal collection but for church...my Helix just works!) Thank you Thank you Thank you!!!!

[@mhmoretti]

I played with David Holmes in the early 90's. He is a seriously fantastic guitar player.

[@mentoneman]

Great discussion about modern worship music, attitudes and approach.

[@CR0SSJ]

Dan and Darlene being sibling is mind blowing... All of the Hillsong controversy aside, there's no doubt that Hillsong made a HUGE difference to the worshiping scene and CC in general. If it wasn't for Hillsong I probably wouldn't even still be playing guitar. Thanks heaps for this interview+discussion Dan and TPS team.

[@GxBxN]

Great points! Also to my understanding m, Darlene hasn’t been a part of Hillsong for many years now. She left back before any of the ‘heat’, from what I remember.

[@dykeneuk]

Yaaas....how fabulous. Your sister is such a legend. Love her music and played her songs so many times over the years....🥰

[@glaubenshelden6448]

W O W I am so excited!!! TPS featuring Worship Music! I LOVE it! And that you then reveal that your sister is Darlene? Amazing! Now, please bring Nigel Hendroff to TPS, will you?!?!

[@PedroNerfBoi]

Darlene is a real real LEGEND.. May God bless this family 👏🏻

[@Sydneyguitarman]

Wow.... I have never expected this.😍

[@mattlynn6157]

Dan!!!! Oh my. You were already awesome but you’re Darlene’s bro… that’s a new level. Seriously though… I grew up in church and also grew up loving blues and Clapton and Skynyrd etc. Every male in my family is a minister but I just wanted to play the Clapton type music or sound in church. Her style of music opened up that door. But what she said at min 27 is the #1 issue still. On all the worship guitar channels everyone tries to play the exact sound and even talk about how they don’t have the same guitar or amp as they used in the track. I’m always saying to use what you got and play what you feel. Doing that is the blues of worship… yes while supporting the purpose as she described. So awesome. So thankful you did this episode. So cool!

[@aarondurham75]

As a guy who plays bass at church every Sunday, these are great tips and musical reminders for all church instrumentalists. Thanks for sharing!

[@LuisRivera-lx9ic]

Love this Dan! Thank you for having your sister.

[@justusmorales6135]

New favorite episode! Two legends!

[@jimmywade4086]

This has got to be my favorite show of the year so far

[@pclindholm]

Very well played. I appreciate the collaboration - let's see a 2nd episode like this!

[@slawsonscot]

That's amazing - had no idea you guys were related! Love it :)

[@kwillis911]

Wow! More, please! Release the unedited version!

[@JohnLawrieTWS]

I had David Holmes’ album Taking Ground as a kid and it’s got some insanely great chops that inspired me so much as a young guitarist! Dude can PLAY Also I’ve played several times at conferences with Darlene and she is one of the most consistently lovely people I’ve ever met. This crossover is blowing my mind!

[@guitarspeakpodcast1383]

Taking Ground is awesome!

[@joshdixonmusic]

I was really blessed to be taught guitar by David Holmes for 3 years. He’s an inspired musician, and gifted teacher.

[@brucemiller1765]

This was a huge and wonderful suprise! Fantastic episode, thanks for doing this guys! We have been watching TPS with our church guitar players and never would have imagined this awesome connection. You guys are the best, keep up the great work much appreciated!

[@mattwesthaver6909]

I absolutely love this Dan! My sisters and mother are very musical and it's a special thing to connect with your loved ones musically

[@ericmikkelsen9196]

Wow! This is a connection I never would have made. Thanks for bring us in.

[@terrymcnabb5859]

Hey Dan, I was shocked to hear that Darlene is your sister. Back in the 80s I was in a Christian band in Orange County California. This is where Christian rock started. We went to Sidney and England around West Yorkshire and played in the schools. Those were some amazing trips.

[@defsantiago]

What was the band’s name? I was in that scene for sure back then. Altar boys, Undercover, The Crucified, LSU, and Petra come to mind. Then came Scaterd Few, Mortal and all the late 80s early 90s bands.

[@ripw1]

That was wonderful on all levels. ALL musicians in all situations should learn from what Darlene said. Probably one of the most valuable lessons ever discussed and one of the best TPS videos ever. Ending on Amazing Grace was perfect

[@chrisdavies9143]

Really enjoyed this. I'm not a worship player or attendee and have little interest in the music, albeit I quite like a lot of the tones that seem to be common in P&W. Even without that connection to the material, it's fascinating to hear how these songs are structured, the use of dynamics, how they keep from making the sound crowded. Very informative!

[@gbarge4]

Awww, Dan. What a beautiful thing. And a happy moment for you. Darla's emphasis on humility and purpose could well be the refresher all of we would be musicians must revisit over and over again. I'd love to hear her speak more on "music theory", which is to say, not the stuff around chords and inversions, but the spirit of it. Dan, you sure have been on quite the roll lately; I hope your heart is brimming!

[@Scrammy103]

Thoroughly enjoyed this episode. I learned a lot.

[@TrickyTrav967]

To say my mind is blown right now would be an understatement!!!! 🤯🤯🤯🤯🤯🤯🤯🤯🤯

[@adamscottv]

Darlene Zschech is your sister? Holy crap, how did I not know that? Oceans is one of my all-time favorite worship songs. She's amazing. What a family.

[@sroelit]

Wild. I’ve often wondered if there were more guitarists playing in bars on Saturday night or in churches on Sunday morning. Thanks for this.

[@vcsuwar6126]

The answer of course is more guitars in church on Sunday by a large margin.

[@oursentenceisup]

@@vcsuwar6126 It's so over

[@vcsuwar6126]

@@oursentenceisup What is so over?

[@JakeBisognin]

Oh these two! Loved working with them both in very separate worlds back in Sydney!

[@jhnlk]

Dave amp-preaching to Dan is a special moment. Big amp love!

[@TheHowardSinclair]

This was fascinating and enchanting. Thanks Dan! My love of music was forged in Church in the least rock and roll way possible - as a Choirboy! However, once the early 90s kicked in and writers like Graham Kendrick and others started introducing guitar into worship music, I got the opportunity to play my guitar in a few worship bands. My best memory of that time was hearing my humble Tanglewood electro-acoustic guitar through every speaker on every pillar of Rochester Cathedral. Church music in many forms still moves me, and without the foundation of choral singing and understanding harmony, I don't think I'd have the ear and instinct I do now.

[@marais888]

Thanks so much for doing this, so helpful for remembering how to get to the heart of what each of us who serve in our churches. This speaks to more than guitar

[@ThatPedalShow]

Glad it was helpful! 🤓👍

[@edwalmsley7956]

That was awesome! Thanks so much for that.

[@jeremiahMc11]

So much great adivce no matter what style you play. Dynamics, listening to each other, surrendering ego, flexibility, Less is more, being in the moment: all great reminders that we need to work together to make something great. The one thing I would add is to show up knowing the songs better than everyone else and to know your triads!

[@ookami692]

Heck yes. As a church guitarist, I've been waiting for a video like this from tps for awhile. Awesome video!!!!

[@cgmxtreme70]

I had been waiting to watch this episode and excited for the title. However, a couple minutes in and I’m gobsmacked to find out that Dan and Darlene are siblings. Two amazing people with such wonderful spirits. God Bless You both !! (Was excited to hear Martin Smith mentioned as well in the episode)

[@MrJohnRhee]

MY.MIND.IS.BLOWN.WAAAAAAAAAAAAAAT!!!! Dan you been holding out on us brother!!!!!!!

[@philipbrister]

The best musicians anywhere are the best listeners. Well said.

[@GreatPlanet-c7o]

She is very humble. The guitar dude is a great player. Never seen either of them before but it was a cool episode.

[@ThatPedalShow]

Cheers mate, very proud of my big sis 🙏

[@GreatPlanet-c7o]

@@ThatPedalShow clearly talented and very humble folks there. Well deserved success.

[@mark7166]

I'm not a believer anymore, but I spent lots of years playing guitar in churches. It was always such a great experience, and one of the places where I felt like I could nerd out to a crazy degree on my gear :)

[@gabrielmfigueiredo]

Thank you for this episode!

[@georged9615]

Outro. Truly beautiful. Thank you.

[@nekkon1989]

I'm so stoked for this

[@neilspake]

Dan, I watch each and every episode of TPS from my home here in Austin, Texas. Often times, I subject my mostly non- musical wife to some episodes. When I saw the caption for this episode, I happened to mention to my wife that your sister, a well known worship leader, was part of the show. She immediately said, you mean the Darlene that I know? Absolutely! Cheers! again for such a great episode! You guys are THE best!

[@owmyhands]

Oh wow! Darlene Zschech is your sister?! Growing up in the old AOG churches in Adelaide in the '80s and '90s, Darlene was a massive part of the movement that led to young guitarists like me actually finding a place in church bands. Playing at a Youth Alive rally was, up until that point, the absolute highlight of my musical journey. My faith journey took a different path later, and I'm quite cynical about how contrived and directed worship music is, but I can appreciate amazing musicianship and will be forever grateful for people like Darlene, Steve Grace, Geoff Bullock, and numerous others who gave me the conviction to keep doing what I was doing in those formative years.

[@Merraldooo]

Amazing. Thank you for this

[@ThatPedalShow]

Glad you liked it! 🤓🙏

[@ryanslauderdale]

It’s so true that if you don’t have humility in the worship community, you will get bounced out eventually. I’ve seen it with musicians that had all different levels of experience, talent and clout, including myself. The Lord will not share His glory with anyone, but those who will be teachable, on time and in key will have staying power.

[@adamfalco938]

Anyone wanting to get better at the guitar should watch this. Anyone who wants to play guitar in a church band should watch this. And yes, mind blown at the relation. Apparently, the world is smaller than I thought!

[@rodenson]

in my early days serving church darlene is my inspiration in music. her voice still resonate in my mind up to present. I came across "the pedal show" because im in search for a great tone for my guitar and efx and never come in my mind that you're related to darlene. 2 great inspiration! god bless and mabuhay! 🇵🇭...

[@BourkeTommy]

Who knew!?! Very cool! Two worlds colliding for me 😂

[@cloydibones1709]

Made my day seeing this channel talk about guitar tones in church, with the bonus of Darlene as a guest and the shock of my life that you two are siblings!

[@dominicgraham5310]

Brilliant! Great to hear them describing guitar for worship - being humble and remembering the reason you're there is God, is it. Great interview, thanks.

[@888jimm]

Every day i play your songs Darlene..thank you so much!

[@sifender56]

Fantastic episode!! 🔥🔥🔥