Boss Super Overdrive Or Ibanez Tube Screamer? [In Your Band]

[@sunilyapa3018]

Guys, apart from how incredibly useful these jams are for “in the mix” sounds, they are also my favorite for the killer playing!! I love the noodles, love the noodles, but whilst in a band context it is immediately clear you have both spent a lot of time on stage playing in bands. As someone who has not done that, yet, it’s wonderful to see how relaxed you are, how happy, paying attention to the other musicians, the tones and licks. Crafting a solo. Just when I thought TPS couldn’t possibly be better, you go an add an entirely new world. Thank you again for all the hard work, for being FREE, my goodness, and continuing to challenge yourselves. Many many thanks.

[@michaelmichael7043]

Hi ts9 all the way

[@aitken1965]

SD-1 as a boost going into the TS9 sounds great 👍

[@frankphvrvon3153]

Swapping pedals as you want is a hell of a drug!!!

[@MartinMCade]

@@michaelmichael7043 Same for me, but they both sound good. Based on the solo testing (without the band) I thought the SD-1 might cut through the mix more, but that wasn't the case to my ears. The winning solution for me might be to have multiple overdrives each set with a rather small amount of gain, and cascade them together when you need a bit more.

[@TheRealxVincent]

The hardest part is getting up there the first time. After that, it gets a lot easier. And remember, you're there to have fun. The more fun you have, the more fun your audience has!

[@GabrielRice]

just want to say these band mix shows are some of the best yet from this channel. Putting everything in a real-world context is so helpful

[@jimmyjams1974]

Agree 💯!!

[@simonsailer7735]

Yeah it's just great to see, how the pedals sound through the mix. That Pedal show really helped me to shape my tone. And with those bandjams there are just many more ideas to try:)

[@BerryPitje]

Agree!!

[@rottalmusik6563]

For me the SD-1 is the choice💜🤘🎸

[@sixslinger9951]

that and the Waza BD. love both pedals

[@ricardorochadias]

Well, for me it is clear why I got ts9, sd1 and bd2... They sound great. They are classics. If you can you must get these pedals... Tone is something amazing and contextual... There are days I like the clarity and transparency of the TS9, that mid boost... somedays I would go for SD1 (They are quite simliar and different). BD2 sounds completely different to my ears. But These are great pedals... If I had to choose one of them I would be in double trouble... But I would go for TS9 cause I love SRV and his sound.

[@wonderz_808]

@@ricardorochadias would the sd-1 be a good pedal for pop punk

[@SickMetalAddict]

Heresy

[@seanpowell-burns6626]

@@wonderz_808 ye must use ye ears to answer this question 🪄

[@stuartmurphy8057]

Doug seems like the kind of guy that is always in a good mood.

[@ThatPedalShow]

He totally is!

[@nico-em7qu]

Full band format is absolutely killer; hugely informative show has now become groovy as hell. Not to draw any comparison, but the jam format was why I used to always (and still) watch JHS, for Josh's awesome creative skills, and now getting to see you guys bring your musical creativity to the show in these larger arrangements actually inspires you to go and pick up your guitar first, and think about buying pedals later

[@gonzoduke6805]

Totally agree with that. These are the two shows I look forward to every week. Both are absolutely killing it!

[@trentberry4081]

Loving these videos! Did anyone else think the humble Blues Driver won the day? I was quite impressed with it!

[@MUROKURA]

The SD-1 wins this one, surprisingly! It retains some natural harmonics in the highs, and as someone already mentioned, doesn't roll off the highs as much as the TS-9. What you''re getting then is the sweet chime + the overdrive. More clarity and more bite. Definitely better in a band context. The TS-9 is just a tiny bit muffled. If they weren't side by side most people wouldn't be able to notice, though.

[@gregs6424]

Disagree. Both great pedals, but TS9 has more "high" treble and more "low" bass. SD-1 is all mids and kills more bass than the TS.

[@75vettemaon]

Sd1 sounds fuller and more natural to me. More like an overdriven tube amp.

[@paulcowart3174]

Surprisingly feel I could use either and me being a TS guy for a long time My TS was modded by Analogman and has lasted 35 years or more and still counting

[@jpizzleforizzle]

Agreed. The sd1 sounded best overall. Ts style pedals always seem a little too compressed for me.

[@jeshely]

In the band jam, the SD-1 with the Tele was no doubt my favorite combination. As for the Strat I think I liked it more the few times Mick engaged the BD-2.

[@jeffro.]

I agree! I liked it with the BD-2 as well! I also liked the way the TS & SD sounded stacked. But I really couldn't tell which one was "better," lol.

[@BrianLeverett]

I’ve always been a TS-9 fan, but after hearing these examples, I think I need an SD-1. 😀

[@endezeichengrimm]

It is not expensive and a good staple pedal to have in your collection.

[@clayearth8287]

I've used both. Get a Bluesdriver...or at least compare in store. You'll be surprised with the Bluesdriver. The name doesnt fit that pedal. It's not just for blues. Works great for 80s rock and metal tones

[@BrianLeverett]

@@clayearth8287 I got one and I think it’s great! I just discovered how well it will clean up with the guitar’s volume knob. Like you said, I agree that it’s a staple.

[@captainhotbunz659]

Into the pedal rabbit hole you go…🎶

[@guitarsimon1]

Damn, the jams so far have been totally epic, you guys are killing it!

[@ThatPedalShow]

THank you!

[@RichardReneeRachel]

As others have said, this “band context” format is just so so so great. You can keep going down the rabbit hole of possibilities, but I’d just like to say that the differences between OD pedals in a band context also depends on whether there’s a second guitarist and what their tone is like. I know. I know. The band possibilities are endless (keys, distorted bass, etc) but a two guitarist rock band is very common and has a major impact on partnered rhythm tones and certainly solo tones to stand out. 😁

[@ThatPedalShow]

We’ll get there Richard. It’s my belief - Mick here - that’s it’s far less about the tone and far more about what you’re both actually playing. Hopefully we’ll get there in due course. Cheers!

[@blues61]

I'll just chime in with everyone else and say that these band context vids are an excellent addition to the TPS catalog. You guys are creating and evolving one of the best, if not the best, Internet resources for us pedal tone chasers. Happy Friday!

[@tmaljkovic]

I have been watching your show for years and I have never decided to subscribe nor have I written any comment anywhere on KZbin. But today, finally, I decided to do both. The only reason is that you went to a higher level and finally showed us what a guitar pedal means in the context of basic instruments in one band with multiple different guitars. This format puts you in a difficult position because all future shows must not be less than this. Your opinion, knowledge and patience in making each clip is invaluable to many who need to make decisions and, believe it or not, spend the money we have less and less today. These 36 minutes should be a global introduction to the world of basic overdrive pedals and basic guitar types in the context of the band. Not only that, the type of music you performed is, for me, exactly one in which any differences can be heard and I think you hit it 100 percent. I wish you all the best. Thank you ... thank you very much guys.

[@ThatPedalShow]

Thank you Tomislav, we appreciate that! We’ll be doing more band shows for sure - it’s great to play! We can’t make every show a band show….. but there will be a lot more. Cheers!

[@chrishepburn1503]

Would love to see an episode like this about fuzz. Alot of people find it hard to get fuzz to cut through a mix in a live band situation. They love it jamming alone but in a band setting it just gets lost. Cheers.

[@ThatPedalShow]

We’l do that in due course Chris. Loads of people asking for it… Cheers!

[@chrishepburn1503]

@@ThatPedalShow Great!

[@pabcrane]

I used to find this with my Sovtek green Muff in particular. The Triangle reissue less so. It would be an interesting topic.

[@tareum420]

@@ThatPedalShow Yeaaahhh ! And if you guys can add the DOD Carcosa to the testing line this would be amazing !!!! Those "in band context" episodes are really helpful. Peace And Love to you !!!!

[@smelltheglove2038]

I have a solution!!!! The Thorpy Fallout cloud!

[@matthewwilkinson8658]

Great video as always and love to see the SD-1 getting some love. Although I have to say, Can’t believe you had an SD-1 and a BD-2 on the board and didn’t stack them! One of my all time favourite combos

[@sydwynd]

The SD-1 has been in my rig for like 20 years. For me, there's no other overdrive pedal. I like it for the reason stated at the beginning: it's more aggressive. The TS-9 sounds a little muddy and I prefer a crisp, bright sound. Nice to get a good listen between the two. Would have been nice to hear some chords with the Blues Driver. That was my second choice for an overdrive pedal and I suspect it sounds very much like the TS-9.

[@everope]

Blues Driver sounds nothing like a TS-9, it's based on Marshall Bluesbreaker and has way more bass and crispy highs like a cranked amp, where a Tube Screamer cuts low end and top end and pushes mids. Also the Tube Screamers (and SD-1) mix in a bit of the clean signal, the Blues Driver does not.

[@Jeymez]

@@everope ya the Blues Driver with the gain set up to a certain point will give you almost Jimi Hendrix vibes, although if im not mistaken Jimi just played straight through a cranked Marshall amp, the Tube Screamer definitely has more of a rock tone, but if you pair it on certain amps you can get some pretty high gain. alot of metal bands used the tube screamer for 80% of metal that came out late 70's, early 80's. the Blues Driver is a like clean boost, when you turn up the gain it gives you a crunchy bluesy sound. you gotta be careful what you pair with it, because it won't take certain pedals as well as the Boss Overdrive and Tube screamer. i noticed where they had it on there pedal board.

[@Otech3stvo]

​@@Jeymez Metal bands use a Tubescreamer as a clean boost with the level maxed and the gain below 25%. Thus pushing the tubes into high-er gain while tightening up any flubbyness. The BD-2 goes from clean boost to a raunchy, fuzzy distortion, with a much flatter EQ. Much more gain on tap with the Blues Driver. Both can be heavy rock machines depending on the amp/pickups.

[@judegrace5460]

In my band I use both. I prefer the overdrive tone of the Boss, so I run the tube screamer into it for a lead boost like hitting the front of an amp.

[@mattgilbert7347]

Likewise. And a Blues Driver TS > SD-1 > BD-2 The holy trinity of gain stack

[@satellitesv03]

I love this. That Pedal Show is pulling us from the bedrooms and preparing us for gigs. All with reasonable gig levels, attainable amps, pedals that we can all afford, and showing us how to use it. 2022 is gonna be the best year ever

[@ThatPedalShow]

Yay!

[@DebonaireDerek]

Watching Dan groove out on bass filled me with joy. Thank you so much for doing this.

[@stephanjones743]

He sounds like a real bass player, great feel!

[@ozmassb2594]

choob screemah

[@nibrocnoel3240]

😂

[@kraftyhandz]

@@felixbyrne8063choob screemah

[@felixbyrne8063]

@@kraftyhandz no. You’re all gullible fools just looking at the price tag and failing to understand that an sd-1 is essentially an improved tube screamer. Use your ears rather than just going with what you think is ‘cool’ to like.

[@angrybirds2472]

❤

[@kraftyhandz]

@@felixbyrne8063 we’re not talking about the pedals dude. We’re making a joke about his accent 😭😂 dude chill hahaha it’s just a pedal. Seeming rather jaded.

[@mpasistasyalanci]

I also liked the stack. I was using the tube screamer almost always in front, one day a friend came to my house a drummer by the way, and we played, i was playing guitar and he played with the pedals. I have three overdrives/ distortions, a ts9 style by behringer, a rats by foxgear and a bass big muff. He puts the ''ts'' after the others and i instantly loved it. The filter and compression of the circuit colours the sound,it takes a bit the hair and bite of the other drives out, and boosts a bit the amp. Changing the parameters can sound like changing the whole amp to an other one. Stack it and try settings out of the norm, a non guitarist experimenting took my sound to unknown places that i was avoiding without thinking about it by following the ''norm''

[@jodyrodgers2734]

Had an SD1 as my 3rd ever pedal purchase, been on every pedalboard I've ever used, only recently appreciated the tube screamer! for me Strat = ts9 Humbuckers = SD1 (and Dan's tele in this case ) the answer of course is both !

[@SweDing]

Mick was bang on in the end, stacked SD-1 into the TS9 sounded killer to me!!!! 👍👍

[@ginoames]

I appreciate that you guys are using pedals that most of us have owned or at least tried. While I love all the boutique stuff I dig the real world stuff too once and a while. Both pedals have their place for sure. I prefer the SD1 with humbuckers and the TS with singlecoils.

[@Bawookles]

I sincerely hope this becomes the new format! Seeing you guys demo the pedals and then put them in a jam is the best!

[@ThatPedalShow]

It won’t be every show, but it will be a goodly number of them. Cheers!

[@Bawookles]

@@ThatPedalShow Yay!!! Thank you for all the work you do.

[@JackStolz]

SD-1 boosting my Recto has been my go-to sound for the last decade on the road! That gnarly top end makes the Mesa come alive! Thanks for making this boys!

[@onlyfromadistance7326]

What kind of guitar? Music?

[@JackStolz]

@@onlyfromadistance7326 I usually record with a Gibson SG and the music is a bit on the Metalcore spectrum. The band is Too Late The Hero. You can hear the boosted recto on most of our recordings

[@onlyfromadistance7326]

@@JackStolz, nice. Close to what I guessed. I do Close to that also. Epiphone Les Paul with EMGs and Floyd Rose through a jmc 800 2210 which is a bit gainier than a lead. Sd1, wah, and rotovibe. Going for a Zakk Wylde sort of thing. ROCK ON BROTHER!!! \m/>.

[@onlyfromadistance7326]

@@JackStolz , checked out your band. You guys sound great!

[@JackStolz]

@@onlyfromadistance7326 dude thanks for checking out the band!!! The 2210 is a killer and underrated amp for sure. I’m bet you get a killer Zakk type sound!! Rock on forever big dog.

[@Deliquescentinsight]

Both the tube screamer and OD-1 are great for minimizing the 'drive' and maxing the level for a clean boost!

[@sixgunlover274]

Guys, these "in a band" videos are brilliant.....really useful for lots of us "pub" guitarists! Many thanks.

[@TheVikingBlues]

I picked up a SD 1 Second hand on a whim, having never heard one before. I love the damn thing. I'm glad to hear it keeping up with the other pedals. They all sound great to my ears.

[@ryj2848]

I have a ts-9 but thinking about swapping it for a sd-1.

[@Mr.D34]

With Telecaster: alone SD-1, in a band SD-1. With Les Paul: alone SD-1, in a band SD-1 (slightly over TS9) With Stratocaster: alone TS9, in a band it's a tie. The winner is SD into TS9 with Stratocaster, that sound was amazing! What a great video btw, i'm subscribing right away, cheers!

[@ThatPedalShow]

Thank you and welcome!

[@alfredomercurio7356]

I love TS-9 into Blues Driver

[@mrmatthew2443]

Great to see you two playing !!! More of this please Note how the pedals sound very similar in the mix

[@kurtisr2339]

Dan is giving Pinot Cappuccino a run for his money! Loving the grooves here; Jam 3 is tastiest for me. Lastly: this week's band name / song title suggestion is "Dougie Likes the Blue One."

[@ThatPedalShow]

Yeah man, that thumb is a thing of wonder! Mick here. :0)

[@VodkaSelekta]

@@ThatPedalShow Dan actually hunted down Pino at the last John Mayer tour and he held him at knife point until Pino had to let Dan cut his thumb off.

[@kurtisr2339]

@@ThatPedalShow Fonzie made good use of it! 👍🏻👍🏻👍🏻

[@_RLP]

Hahahaha!

[@dumbamerica]

The SD-1 sounds great. It gave me a warm fuzzy feeling!

[@nickatnite6088]

I love when you guys jam with Doug!!

[@ThatPedalShow]

So do we!

[@Enzoayan]

The last jam where Dan is playing Les Paul - epic. Love Mick's bass playing. Awesome :)

[@ThatPedalShow]

Thank you all round!

[@redlespaul8139]

The only problem I see with these comparing pedal videos, is that once Mick has a strat in his hand you are too mesmerised with his playing to spot any variables in tone. Awesome playing as usual guys

[@ThatPedalShow]

Ah man, that is toooo kind. Thank you.

[@redlespaul8139]

@@ThatPedalShow much deserved ! also another +1 for the live format

[@sixslinger9951]

I have never liked the tube screamer, but love the SD 1. For $50, it's the best overdrive on the market and better than $200 boutique pedals.

[@drdre4397]

It's great for 50$ yes, but there not really a comparison to more expensive "boutique" pedals.

[@whiskerbiscuit6674]

The price and it's similarity to the more expensive tubescreamer automatically make it the best pedal ever. It's also way more reliable than a ts9. That spring switch on a tubescreamer breaks so much. Anyone claiming that the boutique pedals are worth more than a regular tubscreamer are justifying their purchase. Either that or they are only bedroom players. SD-1 one sounds rad alone coming out of my mesa half stack clean tone.

[@nickharrington12]

You know it's going to be a good episode when Mick mentions Zakk Wylde before the playing starts. Zakk indeed used the SD1 along with the CH1 Super Chorus out in stereo to two 2203 JCM800s. My favourite guitar sound by far! Great episode. Mick, your band mixes are sounding really good.

[@SlingShot830201]

Which album? This sounds very interesting

[@nickharrington12]

@@SlingShot830201 No More Tears was this setup including a Crybaby and Rotovibe. His setup has stayed pretty similar over the years. The Super Chorus changed to a Chorus Ensemble at some point, and then the Boss pedals changed to MXR when Zakk got his signature pedals with them.

[@victor2510]

Please don’t stop, TPS it’s only getting better and better. Thanks for sharing and let us be part of it. There are no answers only better questions and epic jams

[@christopherburnett1745]

I'm enjoying these jam band videos. Your options for this format are almost limitless, really. For me, I prefer the SD-1, and I'm learning that I really enjoy Boss OD pedals. The BD-2 has been on my board for years, but I've found myself trying to find something else to top it. Now I'm thinking that a D&M Drive style Boss dual OD with the BD-2 and SD-1 would be amazing!

[@aidanduncan8187]

Somehow the TS9 makes the strat a little more vocal and raspy. The SD1 and Tele is a kick ass drive sound too. Fantastic format for the show guys, so nice to hear you playing in the mix, much more natural and really engaging 👌

[@DennisAlvarezMusic]

This video really points out the subtle differences in these pedals. I already have the SD-1. But now I'm thinking I need both for what they do separately, and to get that SD-1 into the TS9. LOVED that tone. I would love to see more live band jamming. It gives a very real world perspective on the pedals, and I just love to hear you two play.

[@cartercrawford3177]

I've seen a lot of That Pedal Show episodes. None have been more informative and useful than this one. I especially appreciated Mick's systematic play a lick, switch, play the same lick again, switch approach. Well done by all.

[@cartercrawford3177]

TS-9 for me. Except I also really liked the blue one.

[@ThatPedalShow]

Thanks Carter. Yeah it does rather kill the flow of the playing, but it makes it a much more useful video!

[@MrvlZmb]

My SD-1 has been an essential part of my rig for many years and I LOVE the crunch it gives me. Only downside has been trying to tame the mids.

[@stephsheehy3576]

Hi, what did you do in order to tame the mids?

[@MrvlZmb]

@@stephsheehy3576 Using as a boost in front of a more scooped overdrive amp channel has helped. Also, staying away from a very midrangey guitar like a LP, and using more single coils. Currently, I'm using a Boss Katana Artist MkII, and I have tweaked the EQ settings on each patch to compensate. I still can't use the SD-1 in all possible situations; but when it works, I love the sound.

[@gypsysteve3576]

@@MrvlZmb Totally. I just bought an SD1 for my Strat into 65PRRI (scooped mids), and it sounds great. Ive been setting my SD1 tone at about 10 o clock, and drive at about 12 for Rock. But then i pulled out my Les Paul Trad which lives in the cupboard due to my favouring the Strat. But WOW ...LP thru SD1 into Princeton is just pure magic! And thats with the SD drive only on 9 o clock (and i usually like heavy gain).

[@Patriot-American]

SD-1... Have all these pedal but I just like the kick of the SD-1. No loser though as each has their on quality and could easily be in a line up. Love the Pedal Show and it's my go to channel for this subject. Such great chemistry and fantastic playing here. Kudos to the drummer 👍🏻. Well done mates... From Texas ... 👍🏻

[@michaelinglis8516]

They are incredibly similar circuits with the most notable difference being that the TS9 has symmetrical diode clipping and the SD1 has asymmetrical diode clipping. If you add a switch to a TS9 for an asymmetrical clipping mod it becomes so much more versatile. It's such a great mod. Remember Boss had a patient on the asymmetrical clipping overdrive so Maxon couldnt use asymmetrical when they designed the original tube screamer even if they thought it sounded better which in my opinion it can sound much better depending on the situation of course. Like Dan said here the tone stack also plays a big role In the differences but when most people say they prefer the SD1 it's because they prefer the asymmetrical clipping sound even if they dont even know what clipping is lol. Anyways both are excellent drives and they are both fully capable to work within any genre. I personally prefer a ts9 with a mod for an asymmetrical clipping option and a no diode clipping option (with a slight eq tweak in the no diode position to let some more low end through). And for a warmer open sounding drive I prefer to use a Klon instead of a SD1. But again the SD1 is just as capable; if I were to show up to a gig without my gear and all I had for an overdrive was a stock SD1 I wouldn't have any trouble dialing in a great tone.

[@kmdracer]

In the mix is absolutely the best even though I only play by myself. I find the interaction very cool. What I've gotten from this particular video is that I prefer the SD-1, but stacked was awesome. Guys, I know its more difficult to do the band format, but please keep going with it. I especially enjoy watching how all of you (yes Dougie too) meld at certain times. Coming from a drummer background, I do remember what it was like when things just started taking on a certain feel.

[@smelltheglove2038]

Both amps, no pedals, gold top sounds amazing. I know that’s sacrilegious on this channel but what can I say. Those supros are fantastic.

[@ThatPedalShow]

Nothing sacrilegious about that! It be truth!

[@smelltheglove2038]

@@ThatPedalShow U-S-A! U-S-A! ….Meanwhile, in my bedroom playing my English built AC-15….

[@gs5616]

I like the shows that feature the classic pedals that we all have like the SD1 and TS, showing how they are used and set up. And nice to see them with the modern classics like the DD-200. Another great show.

[@angusorvid8840]

I've owed both Tube Screamers and SD-1s and although I find both to be great pedals the SD-1 takes the cake, especially the Waza Craft edition I'm now using to drive my Marshall. I get most of the gain from the amp but turn the level up and the drive down on the SD-1 and get some amazing tones and tighter, more focused low end with better clarity. These pedals will not turn a clean amp dirty, but they will take a dirty amp into more complex territory and help you hone your tone. A great investment.

[@ThatPedalShow]

Niiiice!

[@smilleur]

I like this format gentlemen. This "in the mix" concept is so overlooked or glanced over and you guys are giving me so much more information by doing it. Please keep it up much as you want.

[@Freedymusic7]

That SD1 sounded tremendous! Thanks for these band context videos leg ends, it helps give an idea of what levels of gain we need and how to shape drive pedals to allow for clarity and audibility. On a slightly festive note, are you fellows familiar with the Trans Siberian Orchestra? The guitar tones they can get are just insane and their renditions of classic Christmas songs are lovely to behold. My goal this holiday season is to be able to reproduce one of their solos from my own fingers!

[@johnmaseratis]

Love it ! I do appreciate we can't hope to have it every week - but this format (explanations, followed by demonstration of the 'band context' with Doug) really is a great format. Thank you.

[@ThatPedalShow]

Thanks John! We hope to do many many more!

[@robertprice5039]

Yes, lower gain overdrive and boost pedal stacking is the way to go. It seems to maintain some clarity while giving you added sustain and harmonics, but you are right about keeping the pedal's output close to unity.

[@alexanderkernoghan4385]

Great show today guys. I have always thought which one of the sd-1/ts sounds best is about how the player hits the strings. I play lightly and so the ts often sounds too smooth and the bite in the sd-1 pushes me forward in the mix. Similarly when I listen to others that hit the guitar harder that same "bite" becomes overwhelming and the smoothness from the ts suits them better. BUT most importantly of all, I prefer the yellow to the green!

[@ThatPedalShow]

Interesting, thanks Alexander. That’s a really important point about how one plays. Cheers!

[@eDWICHt]

And here's the 'Much love for Dougie!' comment from a fellow drummer! Killer show, gents!

[@jtcolecomedy]

Lads! Caught 2 Jason Isbell shows this weekend. What a thrill to see live music again! Especially such a great artist. He’s in the UK next fall. Getting Jason and/or Sadler Vaden on the show would be incredible! They have great gear and use it well. Mick, you could get Jason to sign your Tele!

[@ThatPedalShow]

He can keep his damn pen off my damn guitar! But it would be an ultimate honour to have him on the show. I would LOVE that. Mick here. :0)

[@jtcolecomedy]

@@ThatPedalShow haha!

[@fletches4084]

Just revisited the 3rd jam for about the 8th time and I know I said Dan knocked it out of the park but I'm really starting to appreciate the job Mick and Doug did behind him. All round that was great from start to finish. In fact reminds me of Phish when they cut loose and really start to muck about and enjoy themselves. This is a really great format. Gives everyone a chance to express themselves. More power to your elbows guys.

[@ThatPedalShow]

Thank you!

[@billyshears6622]

Thank you for these band mix episodes and for starting to concentrate on more common stuff. The episodes on top shelf $300+ pedals are necessary as well but so are these $50-$100 pedal episodes! And the context pedals here are spot on. We've needed this episode for 5 years! 😁

[@charlesb7831]

Well ,guy's are going to hate me for this but, I never cared much for the tube screamer. Until I actually bought the Nu-tube screamer and love that one. I'm big on different drive pedals. I also have a 40th Anniversary SD1 model and absolutely love that as well. My go to since the mid 2000s is the MXR Zakk Wylde overdrive, which is based off the SD1. I definitely prefer the SD1 for the warmth it seems to have. I'm really big on gain staking and do it all the time. I run through 3 amps simultaneously with this setup. A Carvin X50B with 4x12 cab , Marshall JCM800 4010 combo and a Peavey stereo chorus 212. It's loud forsure, but the frequency spread is amazing. I have all those pedals on my pedal board and I'm actually looking to add the MXR 5150 overdrive. I think I have a problem with O.D. addiction lol. On a side note, I noticed that the db meter in the back was showing slightly consistent higher reading when the SD1 was on. I don't know why I noticed, just an observation. Absolutely great video, cheers!

[@robertkrause85]

Also loving the band mix idea. Would love to hear different non-octave fuzzes - muffs, tone benders, fuzz faces in band mixes and what are enough mids. Since COVID and band inactivity my sense of what cuts (beyond a very general rule of thumb) has waned

[@ThatPedalShow]

We’ll get to that in due course Robert. Cheers!

[@shinjial]

I think the SD-1 has exactly what I think the TS doesn't (and annoys me): the roll off of the highs in the TS makes it sound muffled to me, like you're listening to the tone in the next room, and makes it's nasal qualities that much more apparent. The SD-1 has enough clarity and bite that makes those things more attractive to me, though it's very gainy; I don't think I'd use it at lower gain settings, but I don't often go for such a gainy sound - which I thought he does best. All in all SD-1 came out on top to me.

[@shinjial]

@@Maschine_Elf oh, I bet. I totally love the sound people get out of it, it just doesn’t work for me. I prefer bluesbreaker style pedals. And out of these here on the show both Blues Driver and ODR-1 would be best for me.

[@shinjial]

@@Maschine_Elf lol loved the sound effects. Yea, it's pretty cool doing that, but then it's a different application/context and the other parts of the equation matter. The TS alone doesn't do it for me, for slightly broken up tones or fattening up tones. I don't play strats, I play a tele. And I prefer BB and Klon-style pedals for the break-up and boosted tones. In that context it just gives me more of what I love on my tele. The TS rolls off that chime and makes it too nasal to my ears.

[@nunninkav]

The TS-9 has a large spike in high midrange, which makes the other frequencies seem lacking. However if your ears are sensitive to that frequency range (MINE ARE!) and or your guitar rig already has a similar hump, the TS-9 will sound like clangy hot garbage! The sd-1 if it offends is in the high range, but to remedy any harshness there is a high trim pot to remove it. The TS-9 can't trim it's abnoxious mid hump.

[@shinjial]

@@nunninkav you're right about what we hear being relative (that spike meaning it appears the rest is lacking). I use a HSS strat and a 50's tele, and in both cases the TS9 doesn't work for me: the humbucker on the strat is already mid heavy and kinda dark; and for the tele it dampens the chime that is usually associated with a tele. So with my gear it's not good. But there are plenty of examples of people that use it and I love their tone.

[@nunninkav]

@@shinjial yep. If you are either deaf or you have a low output single coil which lacks midrange, you will enjoy the TS-9. Others, buy a Boss, maybe even "the blue one" ;)

[@doctersound9630]

TS-9 sounded better in the mix, but for leads the SD-1 sounded better. Blues driver was better overall. Thanks for bringing a drummer and playing some music. Super Awesome. Cheers!

[@AZFunk]

Dougie is my new favorite part of the show ;)

[@ThatPedalShow]

Mine too! Mick here! :0)

[@joequintana5546]

Interesting that I ended up liking the SD-1 more in every example.

[@RobertFisher1969]

I think these are some of the most valuable shows you’ve done. Comparing gear in a band & KZbin context really helps to highlight what makes the difference in context where certain nuances are going to get lost. (Of course, how the gear affects our performance is important, but you also want to consider what the audience can/cannot hear.) Generally I did find the TS to stand out more with the Strat while the SD stood out more with the other guitars. But probably the biggest take away is that the difference isn’t big enough to worry too much about. It did seem that, whenever it was on, the BD really stood out. Though that may have been just that it seemed to have more of just the right high-end. I do wonder if most of the differences in the band context could be made up for with an EQ.

[@ThatPedalShow]

It would certainly go a looooong way Robert, the EQ thing. Cheers!

[@MauDeBruijn]

Gents I really like these style of video’s. Not that I didn’t like the older ones. Thank you!

[@malsanders609]

I love this live format so much!! The only thing I would want to hear are examples of ‘not working in a mix and how to fix’. Especially for the same pedal

[@loopmasta5104]

Great drummer. Great feel and dynamics. I like the more musical band context. Cheers

[@slimturnpike]

To me, the SD-1 sounds more compressed than the TS-9, even while it's more aggressive. More sustain as well. In the band mix I liked the SD-2 into the TS-9 a lot. The surprise for me was liking the Blues Driver the most, as a pedal on its own. The others cut too much low end for my tastes.

[@Wanderer_XJ]

What a great jam! That bass sounds wonderful in the mix as well!!!

[@ThatPedalShow]

Thank you!

[@alessandrodecarli2462]

I always was a Boss fan, my SD1 and BD2 (with DS1 and many others) are original from those time. BUT a friend of mine done a double TS clone, almost 20 year ago, he took same microchips and same circuit and done something that allowed me to choose Asymmetrical or Symmetrical clipping. And, surprisingly, when I play rhythm guitar from Disco to AOR rock I do the same thing Mick does with his own TS9! Guys, IT REALLY WORKS and cut the mix in a very good and musical way! I discovered that thing several years ago and with a simple change of guitar you can do many different genres! It's very useful!!! Cheers also for jams you do, they are really helpful for many of us, though!!! And we still love ya!!!!❤️

[@BaronsDuju]

In a band setting, with Mick on the strat, I think I like the TS9 the least. It just has such a full mid push. It’s almost colouring the sound too much. The SD1 allows more of the guitar come through while also giving it a nice push in the mids. Plus I prefer the SD1’s slightly more gnarly overdrive.

[@ugodimarzio3593]

Buy both and enjoy the mix

[@mattheweastel129]

Really great to hear these 4 pedals in the band context. Its amazing how little the difference was between them once you got the cymbals going. Very enlightening!

[@dmyers9230]

Sd-1 is basically a tube screamer. Thanks, this was a great video!!

[@katamedo5703]

This was incredible. I can’t think of a better way to review pedals/guitars than a live jam to show everyone. I learned a lot listening to all of the different combinations. Great work guys. Kick ass drummer too

[@c.noahbaoas6816]

On my first board I had both, each set to low gain and would stack them, convinced myself they both sounded vastly different 😂

[@dancehallc]

TREBLE BOOSTER in a band mix next! The people demand it!! Great job guys.

[@chrisb3976]

Always love watching these two play.

[@mark7166]

I find that, if the SD-1 or the TS-9 is to be used as a standalone drive, the SD-1 is much better. If you want to boost a dirty tone, I prefer the TS.

[@spivvo]

Totally agree….. into a clean amp my 1980 TS-9 sounds a bit harsh but SD-1 is a really nice warm crunch. Used the TS-9 for 40 years as a solo boost into a crunchy amp. Just bought the SD-1, love it and think it does both well… works into crunchy or clean. SD-1 therefore more versatile.

[@donwoodward7944]

Agree. I like to get my crunch straight from the amp, and use the TS-9 for leads. I've owned an OD-1, but it's not as good in that scenario (in my opinion). I just wish the TS-9 was in a Boss housing. The TS-9 housing (the foot switch) is crap. I've broken 2 of them. The LED light on the TS-9 is also poor.

[@mark7166]

@@donwoodward7944 I imagine you could convert an SD-1 to a TS-9 pretty easily (or at least get very close). I used to have a couple OD-1s too. I thought they were great pedals, and I really wish I'd kept at least one of them.

[@michaelinglis8516]

I agree, but I'll add that one of my favorite mods ever is adding a switch to a ts9 for asymmetrical clipping (or no diode clipping with an extra cap to let more low end through in the no diode clipping setting). I find that the ts9 in asymmetrical clipping mode sounds much better on it's own. It's such a great mod, I build guitar pedals and guitars from scratch as well as do mods to guitars, pedals and amps and the TS9 asymmetrical mod is one of the easiest mods with the most pay off. The TS9 and SD1 circuit are incredibly similar with the most notable difference being that the TS9 has symmetrical clipping and the Boss SD1 has asymmetrical clipping (boss has or had a patient on asymmetrical clipping overdrive pedals so Maxon couldnt use asymmetrical clipping even of they wanted to when they designed the original TS808/TS9). In fact I prefer the asymmetrical clipping of this circuit type and that's what most people prefer when they say they prefer the SD1.

[@mark7166]

@@michaelinglis8516 Yep, I think that's exactly why I like the SD-1 better.

[@LexingtonDaniel]

Dougie's right, the blue one's the best! This mostly served me by reinforcing that I like the sound of more full-freq ODs... Thus my Keeley 1962x, Catalinbread SFT and Supro Drive.

[@mattgilbert7347]

1962x is fast becoming my fave drive. Second only to my Boss OD-3...:)

[@mjjames2442]

Sd1 is “clearer” TS slightly darker. Both have similar grit. At 14:52 I learned something useful. Great show as always

[@daveycrockett9447]

The jam session at the end was AMAZING!!!

[@ckturvey]

Really in enjoyed the Band setting video this week. To me, this is so much more informative than trying to contextualize to backing track. The interactions of the band as both of you went through the different pedals and guitars was very interesting and enlightening. When the pedal combination would change, everyone would respond to it, often in subtle ways, but defiantly effected the direction of the jam. To me, the best matchup with the TS9 was the Strat. That pedal just takes the strat sound to a whole new place. Whereas the TS9 and the Les Paul was just too much mid grunt and really muddled the sound. The DS-1 worked with Lester much better :) The Tele could work with either. Only thing that was missing was for Mick have a go on the Lester. :)

[@ThatPedalShow]

Thanks so much Chris. Really glad you like the format and get the point of actual humans playing music. It changes //everything// as you rightly point out. Thanks man!

[@BrianGay57]

The TS-9 was the first pedal I ever bought, but I never got along all that well with it. When I tried an SD-1 for the first time it was a revelation for me. I much prefer asymmetric clipping. Turns out, the SD-1 is a better Tube Screamer than the TS as far as my ear goes. I don’t generally play in settings where I need to “cut” through a dense mix anyway, so I use my OD-3 more.

[@TheRealcdawg22]

The OD-2r is probably my favorite BOSS overdrive. Is it related to the OD-3?

[@ericwillett8709]

Bottom line and ultimate takeaway here is that the SD-1 is frickin sick and kicks butt, but SD-1 into TS9 produces incredible eargasms and has become my go to combo. Thanks guys, you rock!

[@TonyLondonUk]

Guys I cannot tell you how much I enjoy your channel, 1 day if & when there’s a live show I’ll do my best to be attend it’s a must, live audience would be awesome, Micks opening solo awesome 👏🏻

[@woroGaming]

The TS9 for when you're jamming at home, the SD-1 for when you're playing with your band. The TS9 sounds more warm, but falls flat when in a band. The SD-1 misses roundness when playing on your own, but really gives your sound body when playing in a band.

[@charlesb7831]

I find the opposite lol, I have a Ibanez Nu-tube screamer and a 40th Anniversary SD1. I run both and gain stack etc. I found the SD1 a little warmer for some reason?

[@JohnPaulHare]

The SD-1 has always had the sound that I've wanted in an overdrive, both into a clean amp and into an amp that's starting to overdrive on its own. One of the best sounds I've ever gotten from a Greenback-loaded AC15C1 was from a guitarist playing a Tele with a P90 in the neck through an SD-1 into the Vox, which was already wound open a bit to give a good foundation. It was a big, full overdrive like nothing I've heard from it before or since. I probably need to get an SD-1 to go with the amp permanently because I love the tone so much.

[@MrFiddler11]

Both, I've just added a 'that pedal show t shirt' to my list for santa. It'll be my third t shirt but I feel compelled. The recent band context vids are the best you have ever done. Highly listenable, let alone informative. Making me feel better about still using my beat up old SD 1 too.

[@ThatPedalShow]

Thanks so much G!

[@TheBeriking]

Yes, yes, yes and YES! These jams are absolutely fabulous! Beyond the sheer fun of seeing you guys enjoy yourselves playing, they really put everything in context. I never thought I would want an SD-1 and a TS-9 so much as when I heard them stacked. Brilliant. BTW I agree with Dougie - I liked the blue one. And the yellow one. And the green one(s). Just great.

[@stevebees3992]

It just shows how ubiquitous the Tubescreamer/Strat sound has become. There were great tones throughout, but the Strat/TS9 combination just sounded like 'home' to me.

[@mikepretorius6350]

The SD1 constantly suprises me, even sound good through my cheap Marshall Valvestate 8040

[@WhatsUpWhitey]

Yes, yes, yes!!! All day long! Love the band mix for context.

[@jasonzafran5074]

TPS with Jam Session makes the world a better place. Hearing the pedals in the band mix is so incredibly useful. Also, hearing Dan and Mick in a performance context makes us all remember why we should value their experience and seriously consider their recommendations.

[@christopherdunn974]

The SD-1 is one of my favorites and I use it in many ways. One of which is to have it going into a Big Muff Op Amp with the level and tone most of the way up but the drive down. On the Big Muff I have the volume up past noon, the Tone around 10 o clock and the sustain around 6 or 7. This gives you a really awesome heavy rock crunch.

[@twat75]

As a strat guy, gotta have a tube screamer. Such a useful tone shaper. I think the typical tube screamer is a better lead pedal than an always on rhythm pedal on its own. Only thing I like for that task similarly is the mid boost on my radial tone bone splitter. TS can be great for rhythm combined with other pedals or set different than I keep it. I'd just use the other pedals mentioned for a different task. I'd stack them with not use them instead of.

[@mikecorey8370]

Perfect way to show these pedals, in a band situation, which is what it's about.

[@ThatPedalShow]

It’s what it’s about for some people for sure Mike. But 90 per cent of people who play guitar will never do so in a band. Maybe more. Cheers!

[@simonhirstmusic]

I’ve been stacking an 808 into a JHS Morning Glory for years for my heavyish gain sound! I love it. Great show amigos 🙏🏻

[@ThatPedalShow]

Sexy time!