The $17,500,000 Rebrand of Jesus Christ

[@KatBlaque]

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[@afirewasinmyhead]

Dead Domain goes by they/them, just FYI!

[@Neku628]

So, the "He Gets Us" are just going to forsake their progressive message once they get you to convert? Then, once you're on in too deep, they just leave you to deal with being a bigot.

[@aliciabergman1252]

For some reason this reminded me of the photos from”Ecce homo” by Elisabeth Olsson Walin where famous religious imagery is mixed with dragqueens and leather gays. (Times rated it as one of the 20est most dangerous exhibitions because of the outrage it sparked) She did a similar one about trans people called id:Trans❤😊

[@PinkApocalypse-w4c]

Nice work, subbed. Analogies can be risky, but for my students I would say if Black men are experiencing "blue" oppression and white women are experiencing "red" oppression, Black women aren't experiencing twice the oppression, they're experiencing "purple" oppression. It's tricky to get around the reflexive impulse to quantify everything. Just a head's up for people that atheist and agnostic are two completely different axis. Asking someone if they believe in god and answering you're agnostic is like asking if you own a vehicle and answering "slow". Whether you believe and how strongly you feel about your answer are two different questions. One axis will go from Theist to Atheist (do you believe in a higher power), and the other axis will go from Gnostic (special wisdom exists, and only believers can know it) or Agnostic (no special wisdom exists that people can know). these four points can work in any direction. You can have Gnostic Christians and Agnostic Christians. You can also have Gnostic Atheists (called "hard" atheists, that believe we have achieved enough scientific knowledge to definitively know the universe is chaotic and random), and Agnostic Atheists ("soft" atheists who do not believe, but also do not feel that nonexistence of a deity can be scientifically asserted). I feel like Kat is referencing the much more widely held view of agnostic atheism. Thank you for your work!

[@rachymn7883]

Look I had seen your shorts. 😭 And being one of the few African descendants that are agnostic. I was like 😅😅😅. Did I read her wrong? You had me in the first seconds. subscribed 😂

[@tracimcmurray5244]

Being born and raised in a cult, I had to leave when I point-blank asked my preacher (in private) if people of color could go to heaven. This question was based on something he underhandedly stated in a sermon. "No. They are cursed and cannot see the face of God." "Then why do you act like everyone in this congregation can get into heaven?" I asked. "Because we need variety in our congregation so we don't appear racist." He replied. "But you are racist!" I countered. "I didn't make God's law. I only uphold it." Nope. Not for me. Wrong on so many levels!

[@BoliceOccifer]

Mormon?

[@tracimcmurray5244]

@BoliceOccifer , no. Technically "nondenominational", but there were obvious roots in Penticostalism. It was part of a movement around the 1940s/1950s called "The Full Gospel" movement. I found that out many, many years later.

[@cactusbuds2979]

@@tracimcmurray5244 It’s crazy how subgroups can get away with so much like Mormons or Jehovah Witnesses being able to do the weirdest shit

[@Fosifar]

@@tracimcmurray5244 When did that happen? Did you also experience that in the 195Os maybe, or later? I'm so sorry.

[@renatocorvaro6924]

It is absolutely brilliant that this "He Gets Us" group puts out an ad saying "Hey, Christianity isn't all hate, it's about love" and American conservatives *immediately* respond with "No we're all about hate, fuck you". Just brilliant.

[@Pukeprincess]

It’s funny but I don’t think they’re actually gonna do anything about it, especially now.

[@tjenadonn6158]

"How dare you slander us by accusing us of being decent and loving people!"

[@dannimays7325]

that's what keeps cracking me up! they said oh no, we are bigoted idk what yall are talking about

[@kateh2893]

I wonder how many of them have a tattoo?

[@omgkthxbi]

also a lying grifter like b dong telling people what is and isn't jesus like lmaoooooo stfu like donald trump trying to have a ministry

[@ellanina801]

The Mormon church owns malls and all sorts of business ventures. It could solve homelessness in Utah, but of course it doesn’t 🤷🏼. I grew up Mormon, and it’s definitely not a safe space.

[@rachabonespittz]

I used to work at city creek, they keep them close enough to point and scoff at and do nothing

[@thaloblue]

Mormonism shouldn’t even be mentioned here at all. It is a cult. There is no such thing as a mormon christian. They are solely mormons and have been clearly ousted by each of the three main branches of christianity (who virtually never agree on anything ever).

[@ellanina801]

@@rachabonespittzyeah o can see that at the mall.

[@ellanina801]

@@thaloblue from a sociological standpoint it definitely is defined as a cult. Their teachings are very focused on the “poor is, we are so persecuted.” As someone who left the church because of the anti gay lessons I received, they persecute, not persecuted. I say they even though I’m still on the books.

[@KittensgiveMorbogas]

Homeless druggies don’t want to change, screw em.

[@OptimusPrimordial]

I adopted in a red state, and when they found out I was atheist, they added intelligence and psychiatric testing to my application process. The professionals that administered those tests barely knew what to do with me because this testing is so rarely used. That was just the beginning of religious interference in the public adoption of my children.

[@lexxiloveless7163]

thats crazy fuxked up. especially in the medical and legal field religious interference is conglomerated and vigilant

[@margodphd]

That is... horrifying. Hopefully it all went well despite this?

[@OptimusPrimordial]

@margodphd we won. We got our kids outta there. One is just turning 18 and everything ^_^ I'm proud of them, and happy to be their momma.

[@firstnamelastname7244]

Actual religious discrimination. "Land of the free" my ass...

[@idiomasentusiasticos7954]

They… gave you psychiatric evals because you were an atheist? What did they think you were gonna do? Sacrifice the children to the ever-expanding void of space???

[@Arocks014]

It’s crazy how these Christian influencers were so quick to have a problem with images like a pastor washing an LGBT+ person’s feet by saying “We’re called to love one another, not condone people’s sinful lifestyles.” Even though the ad never endorsed LGBT+ people and only depicted a kind act of servitude toward them like what these Christians literally just claimed to be in support of. Almost as if the whole point to their religious views is to cast condemnation and never show actual love towards the people they disagree with…

[@Meganthamac]

This right here!

[@Kingofthenet2]

I’m Christian and agree

[@tyleremery7088]

I'm a Christian and my take on that sort of thing is that ultimately my views about a given group are irrelevant to the biblical command to love everyone as Christ has loved me.

[@HotDogTimeMachine385]

Bring back cool jesus who hung out with poor people and sex workers.

[@totalescapism]

Sex-positive Jesus.

[@stalfithrildi5366]

He was brought back a fortnight since.

[@XEzomoX]

He didn't hang out with sex workers, liar.

[@rubyy.7374]

@@xAzureXHazex Just because he told them it was a sin didn’t mean he thought they were undeserving of love and redemption. Christians should learn from him… Oh wait-

[@DiaryofaDitchWitch]

Flipping the tables of greedy, disrespectful Capitalists....😍😍😍 I defected officially when I realised no-one in the Church saw the irony....

[@e-tone312]

I am STUNNED to find out they aren't AI

[@eliasmg9144]

RIGHT?! They looked so uncanny that my first instinct was to assume those were ai generated. It just... seemed so off-putting for them not to be.

[@chiloecko]

to me, it reminds me of gregory crewdson’s work

[@ryleerose8547]

ME TOO

[@camipco]

I love the artist's vision of "I'm going to make real art that looks like it was made by an ai". What a fantastic response to ai trying to make art that look like it was made by a human. Two can play at that game, buster!

[@lilfilth5622]

@@camipco ur right and that makes me actually kinda love it. And for a liberal corporate rebranding of the already corporate religion. It’s so subversive I think it might be a masterpiece

[@jasonjacoby]

"Woman understander Matt Walsh..." 😂💀

[@tjenadonn6158]

Child impregnation advocate Matt Walsh.

[@fawnieee]

​@@tjenadonn6158 Map Walsh.

[@AntiDecepticonCampaign]

@@tjenadonn6158where can I find this evidence

[@RadikAlice]

I loved that too

[@Ojo10]

The picture of the daughter washing the alcoholic mother's feet is just VILE. In truma therapy, it's common for the child to go over how they have been parentified and made into a "savior". To do this to a child is abuse at worst and emotional neglect at best. The hard part of recovery for victims is to realize that though they were dealing with a disease, not being an adult and taking responsibility for their recovery, was abandonment, and a healthy amount of anger at that is required to start healing and forgiving tnem. To show a young daughter forgiving her mother while her mother is in active addiction is so victim-blamey and gross.

[@Aros4]

This this this with ALL TYPES of child neglect or abuse where a child is forced to take the role of the adult. Compassion is great but it should NOT be a replacement for accountability

[@futon2345]

None of them make sense…like since when do cops wash peoples feet. They only make sense if you already understand the biblical allegory about washing feet. The rest of us just see a weird foot fetish thing

[@thaloblue]

This wasn’t addressed hardly at all and I didn’t even know how to interpret it so thank you for clarifying wtf I was looking at. I had a hunch it had something to do with drugs and I’m pissed its even more sinister than that.

[@thaloblue]

@@futon2345i would actively reject a cop touching my feet unless he had a warrant for evidence or something.

[@futon2345]

@@thaloblue yeah duh like why is there a photo of a cop washing some dudes feet in an alleyway. That makes zero sense

[@jovitadosch5428]

Anytime I see ads marketing a religion it makes my stomach churn. That money could be feeding someone

[@Themudeater]

Isn’t that true for all ads?

[@mikey-wl2jt]

​@@Themudeateryou don't see anything, iunno, a little different in ads for what is meant to be a religion of love?

[@baintreachas]

@@Themudeatertrue, but the secular ads aren’t (necessarily) pretending that they care to feed people

[@Themudeater]

@@mikey-wl2jt oh yeah I just meant generally ads are a way to get attention for causes. This cause is weird but in general even charities need marketing.

[@loveableheathen7441]

To be fair, most Churches run or participate in some form of local food drive

[@mitochondria558]

My former Christian self is real fucking offended by the Christian responses to this. The Bible I was raised with I said whatever you do to at least of these you've done to me, and also said to treat strangers with kindness cuz they might be angels or something. It hurts my non-existent soul to see these people doing mental gymnastics to justify their hate. Jesus did not treat the public like this, he fed them, for Christ sakes 🤦‍♀️

[@lisafranklin9089]

Its wild to take a message of kindness and acceptance and twist it up with hate. Especially infuriating, hearing "it's not biblical" repeatedly 🤦🏽‍♀️

[@b.c.9358]

I left the church precisely because the church did not practice what Jesus preached, and the Christians I knew didn't act in a very Christ-like way.

[@UndertakerU2ber]

@@lisafranklin9089 “It’s not biblical” isn’t a statement of hate. In the context of two men “marrying”, it’s simply a statement of fact.

[@UndertakerU2ber]

⁠@@b.c.9358 In some respects, many Christians are becoming ‘cold’ to the message of Christ. But I have a feeling what you’re talking about isn’t the same as what I have in mind. Jesus was mainly a challenger of the Orthodox Jewish faith that had developed. His greatest act of love for us all besides his sacrifice on the cross was that he stripped exclusivity away from the ethnic Jews and extended the title of “God’s chosen people” as an offering to us all. During his time, Jesus encountered many Jews that were eager to pass “God’s” judgement onto sinners, especially ones that were vulnerable to being bullied. The attempted stoning of Mary Magdalene is a good example of this, as Jesus had to step in to deflate the egos of the mob who felt they were holier than a prostitute. But this story doesn’t mean Jesus “approved” of Mary’s s*x work. He merely intervened to stop the arrogant mob from handing down the ultimate punishment for her sin. Mary was very much a sinner of adultery, and Christ wanted Mary to know this as well. And to be blunt, Christ would want the rainbow mafia of today to know that they’re sinning by committing and promoting sinful acts between two men and two women. The idea that Christ would support their twisted ideology of “love” is unfathomable, and calls into question the knowledge and understanding of the person making such a claim about Christ’s character.

[@lisafranklin9089]

@@UndertakerU2ber I didnt say that it was

[@miichellerose]

my dad is extremely religious and a lifelong believer in god, and ironically he (hyperbolically) hates most christians because of how hateful they can be and how many of them misuse the bible to shun someone living their life. he’s had children out of marriage, he accepts his 2 queer children and i remember how many times he’s told me (paraphrasing) “god will always have you in his hands, no matter how far you stray from him he will always offer forgiveness, just believe in him” he’s never used the bible as an excuse to be cruel to anyone, and it’s funny that he’d be shunned by these people for that exactly

[@ant3t3]

your dad is my favourite christian

[@sabsain2399]

cruelty is subjective because Muslims and Christians' moral compass isn't objective. Sorry but you can't exactly dictate who a good or bad Christian is

[@IAmJustAPers0n11]

Your dad sounds cool. Too bad people like him are overshadowed by the large vocal group of bigoted weirdos that don the title of Christian.

[@spiceupyourafterlife]

Your dad is a good man.

[@Senzenss]

This is crazy, my mom is word for word the exact same way, same kids and all. She says it's moreso about her faith and personal relationship with her father/god - like not religion but a spiritual experience. She still loves the Bible and stories, church going and everything, but she will always be the first to critique the misuse of religion and hate that comes from it.

[@Shmaples]

Im so sick of ppl trying to act like the progressive, accepting position is on the same level as the bigoted, devisive position. Its not a "we can agree to disagree" situation where your racist, sexist, unaccepting opinion is just as valid as the stance where we accept and allow differences in human beings. When you "disagree" that lgbtq+, poc or women should have basic rights you dont get to be mad when people scoff at you or you feel the social reprocussions of that opinion. You dont get to cry and whine that your opinion is being dicounted or bashed. Just because its technically the "opposite side" of an argument doesnt give it any validity!

[@ephemeraIl]

I think people forget that morality exists, and that there *is* a wrong and right. It’s wrong to have these “opinions” because… they’re directly hurting people. Not just their feelings, but literally taking away their human rights, and endangering their very own lives.

[@WhichDoctor1]

yeah, the middle ground between "I want you dead" and "i want to keep living" isn't an acceptable compromise both people can live with. Some arguments only have one correct side

[@dolly118-m7k]

I agree, morality does exist. It just depends what you mean by morality. The original commenter is right: we can no longer (reasonably) come to an “agree to disagree” conclusion on this, because it’s not a matter of opinion. It’s a clash of worldviews and morality. Where you would say it’s immoral to take certain “rights” away, I would say it’s immoral to legalize something that is destructive. And I define what is destructive off of God’s standard. So, yes, it’s a matter of morals. And I’m not afraid of the consequences of that, socially or politically! I just hope that we get to a point where we can discuss these things civilly, even if people refuse to be friends after the fact. However, I’m glad to say that I have many friends that believe things I believe are heinous (and vice versa), and we are still able to sit down and have a cup of coffee.

[@artsyscrub3226]

@@dolly118-m7k So you'd rather be painfully tortured than accept that your opinions are by all rights entirely wrong and harmful? You're either with us or you're not so pick a side. You cannot be complacent when people are brutally murdered for being themselves.

[@rebjr6615]

KZbin comments are unproductive because you're arguing with how you characterize other people's arguments

[@thetiniestleaf]

Hearing the Christian TikTokers’ responses to the ad just hurts my heart. Just something about how self-righteous they are about… all of it. It hurts thinking about how they aren’t capable of understanding for people different than them.

[@usainengland]

I always ask folks if the Hebrew Bible is superseded by the Christian Bible. The answer is always, “Yes!” Then they appeal to the Hebrew Bible to justify hate. If “Love your neighbour” wasn’t so difficult more people would do it. I also just laugh at how these people who don’t think BEING loving is not spreading the Gospel. No preaching at people, words are the only way. How puny, how sad is their God.

[@moustik31]

Im not surprised. These ads are a representation of all they [xtian fundies] are groomed to fear: a reversal of social hierarchies. 🙄

[@Dustbunnyfour20]

As a gay christian, I think folks forget that not everyone is accepting or is going to concern themselves with how you feel. There are out-liars in every group. Being consistently in shock or anger about a SMALL majority of people, does not serve you.

[@moustik31]

@@Dustbunnyfour20 What's a "small" majority?

[@Darbster]

A few of the people Kat showed are actually "christian" grifters. Brittany Dawn specifically, she is so phony and the things she says makes me ill.

[@boyhenry1]

I had a pretty strange experience with Christianity. My lesbian moms took us to a non-denominational inclusive church for a while, and then, when my parents separated (i was like 7-ish, think great recession), my primary mother started taking us to a Roman Catholic church, where we enrolled in religious ed and volunteered in the choir. She made us more Catholic to get us closer with my Irish Catholic family on that side.? Anyway, there wasn't really anything wrong with that church or its teachings. They didn't teach me anything hateful, and so when I saw this ad during the super bowl, I was glad to see Christians returning to messaging about being Christ-like. "Love thy neighbor," "clothe the naked," "visit the imprisoned," that type of Channel 5 empathy. If I can speak for the large drop in American Christians in the past decade, I would say that for most of us, it wasn't our churches that we fell out of love with. Just like Kat said, we got tired of being associated with Christian Nationalists that abuse religion for political gain. Most of us realized that we can continue living our Christ-like lives without giving our hard-earned, increasingly scarce money to orgs that don't do much with it. If that same poll asked Americans about their 'spirituality,' it would show that we aren't losing that, we have just lost faith in the houses where we used to worship. We're tired of our spirit being used to divide us, so we will unmake the house that separates us from them. The internet is such a beautiful catalyst for this. I see a similar thing happening with Not |n 0ur Name. Free P stine, now and always. Thanks for reading

[@gildedpeahen876]

could not agree more! I absolutely believe in god and have faith, but i do not follow any dogmatic religion crafted by man. I grew up with Catholic, Buddhist, and baptists taking me to services. I became a seventh day Adventist as an adult. now i take what resonates from the bible, and other spiritualities too. no one wants to be associated with specific churches or sects! we have learned to follow our own inner tuning forks!

[@daltonbedore8396]

the shout that Channel 5 represents a moral force for good is a little nugget of its own

[@Knowledge_Seeker64]

You’re almost on the ball there, but you’re excluding those who genuinely left the faith because of how hateful conservative Christianity can be, and how it was this very type that was taught to them and that they were disillusioned by it. I’m one of those people. Remember, about 2% of Americans were atheists in about 2010, but now 5% of Americans are atheists. Faithlessness did increase because of Christian Nationalism, as well as alternative types of faith.

[@BrujaBanter]

My favorite thing about this is that they really went "hmm...what can we put in an add to depict a queer person?" and then decided on roller skates.

[@anonymixx8106]

I am cackling at this 😂

[@Taayooo]

And a limp wrist…. 😬😬😬

[@theinternet1424]

Tbh being mentally and culturally stuck in 1970s is pretty on brand

[@cee_ves]

man crosses legs; a queer icon

[@airplanes_aren.t_real]

Couldn't they just have the character be wearing a pride flag?

[@Adardidnothingwrong]

There's something that feels really dangerous about telling people to disassociate from their emotions and their bodies. Telling people to ignore their gut instincts and ignore how their body feels, and set that aside to obey them.

[@moustik31]

That's bec. it's a cult tactic.

[@WhatWouldLubitschDo]

@@moustik31what does bec stand for? I’m not getting anything relevant by searching. Surely a bacon egg cheese wouldn’t do such a thing 😂

[@polygollie]

​@@WhatWouldLubitschDo shortened version of because I'm assuming?

[@moustik31]

@@WhatWouldLubitschDo It's short for "because".

[@emmanarotzky6565]

Yep… in everyday terms that’s called your conscience, and in religious terms it’s called the holy spirit… either way you are definitely NOT supposed to ignore it!

[@astraledge7178]

There's no hate like Christian love

[@GooberFace32]

I’d buy a T-Shirt with this on it.

[@miichellerose]

amen

[@eg4441]

when it's not incredibly frustrating it's just sad. so many christians are absolutely eaten up to the neck in shame, since they're told relentlessly that they are broken sinners who will stay that way without christ, or will simply always be that way until they die and go to heaven. it's really sad

[@Overruled3999]

​@@eg4441 what they are told is true. Before we came to christ we were sinners. Many was at a lowest point of our life. It is true we will stay as broken sinners without Jesus. In Roman's 10:9-11 it said "9That if you confess with your mouth, "Jesus is Lord," and believe in your heart that God raised him from the dead, you will be saved. 10For it is with your heart that you believe and are justified, and it is with your mouth that you confess and are saved. 11As the Scripture says, "Anyone who trusts in him will never be put to shame." No one will inherit the kingdom of heaven if they continue to sin and not repenting. But by repenting with our heart and accept Jesus as our lord and savior our sins will be forgiven. What I see by many Christians doing is that they repent but still continue the way of sin and in fact they don't show sadness nor disgust of the sins they committed. I'm not saying that you have to perfect but I'm saying try to live a holy life just like Jesus. Enough of me yapping 🗣

[@joshraid1550]

They’ll wash your feet but they’ll wipe mud on the rest of you.

[@MailorSoon]

A youth pastor and his wife washed my feet once during youth group. I found it very off-putting and weird. He ended up going to prison for 4 years for having sexual relations with an underage girl.

[@tjenadonn6158]

Well thats about as shocking as the sun rising in the east.

[@puppydogs68]

Yikes, yikes, and more yikes.

[@Hubbletheory]

The only people Christ ever genuinely reproached in his ministry were Pharisees and dudes setting up shops in the temple. Dude literally chased them out with a hand woven whip. If that aint a callout against overly zealous rule thumpers and grifters, then idk what is.

[@l0rf]

Shhh, don't say that part out loud, you're making the megachurch billionaires pastors look like the bad guys😉

[@BoliceOccifer]

@@l0rfThey are. It's exactly the kind of thing Jesus preached against. It is a shame that so many Christians have fallen for those false teachers.

[@l0rf]

@BoliceOccifer exactly. And they have the gall to ask their congregation for money to buy such bare necessities as a private jet or a mega mansion. The Jesus they revere would flip every table they own if he was around.

[@308enjoyer]

That's a lie, he also reproached the woman at the well to stop living with a man outside of marriage

[@cafeequinox2074]

These Christians you showed seem crazy to me because they don't seem to recognize their own hatefulness. There's some wise and beautiful stuff in the Bible but I guess it's there for people who are willing to look inward. So, preaching to the choir.

[@KatBlaque]

You know, you might be on something because I think a lot of my relationship to the Bible was making me consider things inwardly and less so trying to think of strong rules to define others by. The idea was definitely if people were inspired by me I would maybe proselytized to them, and maybe I was outwardly kind and also vocally religious at the same time but a lot of my religion was self reflective.

[@ArturGlass.C]

Same here. I always understood it as "I can motivate people by showing examples of the things I value" not "I will tell people what they need to do and share that 'knowledge'". Fundamentally people need to want to change to actually change. I feel like that's a notion that was adequately approached in the bible. Eventually I dropped it early on anyway cuz I was already like "who am I to say or think my values should want to be applied, morality is subjective" but still I think in my day to day life I still apply the idea of "showing via example" if I want to teach compassion or empathy in the adovacy I do. It resonates better with people, I think. And I don't have doubts if Jesus was real he understood that and it's why there was this opposion to God's more cynical view of humanity in the first place.

[@noodles2459]

Modern protestants often lack humbleness.

[@tylercoleman9218]

….but there’s also slavery, genocide, and bizarre customs and practices. Why is it ok to only focus on the things that our culture in the Bible that are currently considered acceptable or progressive? That’s one of the root problems. The way I see it you can justify horrible beliefs and practices if you subscribe to the Bible alone. Can we just recognize not that the Bible is a historical and allegorical piece of literature? Seriously, there is no substantial evidence of it being anything other than that.

[@joshplaysdrums2143]

26:50 on my block there is a church that a homeless man used to sleep under the cover of. The church recently kicked him out from even sleeping outside the church and hes had to find other spots around the block. its pretty upsetting

[@ebonysoldier]

This is everything the church of today is.

[@tjenadonn6158]

"Com badk when you have money or children we can exploit."

[@Lycandros]

I think the feet washing photos would feel less icky if the subjects in them were washing each others feet at the same time and looked like they were having a conversation. The photos as is look really strange, like it's all for show.

[@dagmarland]

Isn't most of Conservative Christianuty just performative anyway?

[@Lycandros]

@@dagmarland I'd agree with you on that.

[@chocomelo454]

Only excuse I'd slightly get is "it's actually really hard to wash each other's feet at the same time so it makes more sense to take turns. Give and give and stuff."

[@EricaBassi99]

That's because it IS all for show. You don't think they actually want to wash your feet do you? It's scoring points for god, that's all.

[@darkshadowrule2952]

I don't know, it would essentially be an apology or forgiveness through service rather than a demonstration of equality in this case, I think. It's just sort of a different but tangential theme. Obviously conversion is the point, but just examining it from an artistic perspective

[@cravidana1182]

I haven't finished watching yet, but this is for calling me introspective and hot.

[@voltijuice8576]

She gets us! XD

[@chelscara]

My grandparents used to always volunteer to “wash feet” for Easter service. They also abused their kids and told my mom to just “get through it” when she was 70lbs at 18 yrs old halfway through her first year of college. It doesn’t mean jack.

[@kriskross_]

This ad is literally a “love the sinner, hate the sin” but in picture form 💀

[@kriskross_]

@@kickmuncher3 okay? And what did that have to do with what I said? Also, preaching to those who didn’t ask for it doesn’t do anything but annoy people and turn them off, just so ya know

[@BoliceOccifer]

I wholeheartedly agree with the statement “love the sinner, hate the sin”. It's why I don't hate myself.

[@xant8344]

@@kickmuncher3 Nah

[@blueyoshi4211]

⁠@@kickmuncher3 I get you and I appreciate where you’re coming from, but the problem with the “love the sinner hate the sin” mentality is that it heavily depends on what each individual thinks of as “sin” and at worst, such a mentality can lead to this “I know better what you need than you do” mindset.

[@justvibin1447]

I hate the phrase "love the sinner, hate the sin." Then again I don't like the idea of sin in general because of how much the concept is used against marginalized groups.

[@kirstencorby8465]

All it did was remind me what gigantic hypocrites those people are. No Evangelical would actually be caught dead doing that.

[@lxlx7941]

Actually they will, my family is like that

[@AleksandarBell]

@@lxlx7941They would wash the feet of queer people?

[@tjenadonn6158]

​@@lxlx7941 Yeah, and so is your girlfriend who goes to a diffeent school up in Canada. Good people don't stay evangelicals for the sane reasons non-white supremacists don't stay Klansmen.

[@jamisanmatalonis8458]

And they’d get shamed if they did

[@JamesCarter1998]

“Jesus did not wash everyone’s feet; he washed his disciples feet - the ones who picked up their crosses and turned from their sin” …But didn’t Jesus literally wash Judas’ feet? Knowing that the guy was literally about to betray him for a bit of silver? 🤔 How the hell can these Christian “influencers” claim to be authorities on Jesus and the bible, when they are clearly very ignorant about some pretty basic Christian ideas/beliefs?

[@eliasmg9144]

Authority is all about looking like you know what you're talking about. Even if that's not necessarily true

[@adiblatif]

Jesus answered, "A person who has had a bath needs only to wash his feet; his whole body is clean. And you are clean, though not every one of you." The disciples had been cleansed by walking with Jesus. John 15.3 says that His word cleanses us. This is the effect it had on the disciples.

[@Aros4]

They also forget to mention that he let a woman thats been theorized to be a prostitute to pour expensive perfume on him that same day also told Martha to stop cooking and cleaning and go spend time with them something that to this day would be considered unwomanly. Also forget that Jesus seldom mentions that x thing is sin, rather he says “go, sin no more”. There are so many things that they decide to cherry pick just out of pure hatred. Its so disgusting

[@leahp1765]

He is in hell. So....

[@TheRogueCommand]

My theory, their god isn’t Christ so much as it is Comfort. They don’t see Jesus as a teacher so much as a shiny “get out of jail/accountability free card.” I have no idea how they’d realistically facilitate something like this, but I’d love to see an experiment where these people have to move to a country with a different primary religion and see how many of them would immediately switch to be with the “in crowd.”

[@drinks_menu]

He gets us: "christianity is about love" Christians: "Nuh uh!!!!"

[@ezekielwong7108]

How would you define love?

[@genericname2747]

​@@ezekielwong7108 Not being an awful person, how do you define love?

[@sketchiefello9002]

@@ezekielwong7108 something a christian is incapable of feeling

[@1Rez_EZ1]

1 Corinthians 13:4-7 (NIV): 4 Love is patient, love is kind. It does not envy, it does not boast, it is not proud. 5 It does not dishonor others, it is not self-seeking, it is not easily angered, it keeps no record of wrongs. 6 Love does not delight in evil but rejoices with the truth. 7 It always protects, always trusts, always hopes, always perseveres.

[@pixelbomb97]

The question I always have for these people that say Christianity does not condone sinful lifestyles is, How many slave owners are going to get into heavan? How many slave owners thought they were getting into heaven? Did they know that slavery was wrong? And if they aren't going to heaven, how do you know if the things you are doing in your life now might keep you out of heaven?

[@alexdex9439]

It was and is never about how perfectly you live your life. Its about accepting your view and choices in the world are removed from God. Therefore when you become a Christian you are motivated by love of the God who gave his son to live your life in the most healthy and considerate way you can. Because who knows what's best for you better than your creator? What's important is the heart Posture you do this with and you make that choice to be seek and improve every day. The details you don't have to worry about. Because whatever you do in that mode is no longer a product of just your will but also God's. And his will is to renew heaven and earth and fulfill every single one of your (wholesome) desires. Your need to feel fulfilled, to feel loved, to have purpose, to have identity. May God bless! Amen.

[@notbot2648]

The Bible doesn't condemn slavery, so they'd have a pretty easy answer, unfortunately.

[@johngibson4874]

I would guess they would say all of them which undermines the message of the gospel they claim to believe

[@pixelbomb97]

@notbot2648 it does though? It at least condemns the slavery of the Egyptians, the Babylonians, and the Persians in the old testament.

[@sharkofjoy]

Enslaved people almost certainly wrote the new Testament. Paul's slave literally calls himself out in the text. Even though slave owners have worked hard since time immemorial to erase the existence of their enslaved workers, we have learned how to find them. Check out God's Ghostwriters: Enslaved Christians and the Making of the Bible

[@superpheemy]

And, of course, don't forget the recovery from bottom surgery. Woman won't be back at work over a long weekend. She'll be laid up for months. And businesses like the one you describe? They fire people they can't schedule.

[@sleepyspacegremlin]

I can't imagine how difficult recovery from bottom surgery must be 🤕

[@camipco]

and more importantly the fact that whether any person wants to get bottom surgery or not is entirely their own goddam business. Like if bottom surgery could be done for $20 in an afternoon, it still wouldn't be ok for hobby lobby to demand their trans employees get it. I think the "bottom surgery is hard" thing is a bit of a red herring here, which I know from her more extensive videos on the topic isn't a position that Kat would take more seriously.

[@t_ylr]

The Church is ultimately a conservative/patriarchal institution, but it also has strains of social justice. Also for certain denomations (i grew up Pentecostal) it's a place for women to contribute and become leaders in the community. I feel like these two sides compliment each other in a way that integrates normies into it simply just by living in a community. The more the church has become synonymous with conservative political identity the less those kinds of ppl will go. I'm not even talking about leftists just straight up normies. Just my thoughts as someone who deconstructed from fundamentalism.

[@Chrissy123-t2x]

Christianity became corrupt when it became political, its people who gave a bad name to Christianity. I remember seeing an article where a pastor did not want to read a passage by Jesus because he thought the passage is too woke, Jesus is even too woke for them. A lot of the times for political people being a Christian is very much an image for them that they post online. Jesus himself warned people against the pharisees.

[@khloeeromero7395]

I grew up pentecostal as well and was hyper sexualized from 11-13 by the community, mostly the women in leadership but also some men. It took me like 6 years to outgrow that horrible view they forced me to have over my own body and sexuality, being a child seeing your flesh as something to be disgustingly ashamed of sucks. Conservatism and patriarchy in the church are directly harmful and pushing many (according to statistics in America) away from the church

[@Master_WannaBe_]

My mom is a straight up normie, and she has become far more outspoken against the rightward direction The Church. When the Southern Baptist Convention voted to expel Rick Warren and his church, to say she was outraged would be an understatement.

[@kate_m.]

Literally clocked them the first ad I saw. Too much both sides-er-isms made me wonder who it was for. By the second or third viewing I noticed it was an LLC and I was done. No good comes from doing commerce on Jesus’ behalf.

[@dagmarland]

Yeah didn't J whip the money guys that were in the temple?

[@Aros4]

Period!! It was giving me all lives matter!!

[@Aros4]

@@dagmarlandAlso if you really think about it, the times that he called out a specific sin, was not for the prostitute, or the petty thief. It was always the church, and its leaders. People that thought they were above everyone else or had the authority to condemn people just because they didn’t agree with them. Jesus was just as rigid and combative as he was gentle and compassionate and he cared deeply about the abused and oppressed

[@PraiseTheFSMonster]

One interesting thing about Christian indoctrination of children is that children's bibles have all the problematic verses removed. They just skip right over them.

[@JoshColletta]

As a Christian, I agree with you wholeheartedly, and I've been speaking out against "He Gets Us" from the very beginning. Jesus doesn't need "rebranding." Fake "Christians" need to be put in their place: the garbage can of history.

[@Thinslicedseedtastic]

Ah my personal favorite trope, Christians standing in a circle like the Spider-Man meme and saying “they’re not real Christians!!”

[@pickyyeeter]

While I agree that this ideology belongs in the trash, I've always felt that the "fake Christians" narrative is a cop-out. There is a systemic problem in the church which enables hate when it's not outright promoting it. Any organization that harms people should be held to account for those harms. If we find out that a corporation has a culture of harassment or discrimination, "they were fake employees, because our employees would never do that" is not going to hold up as a defense. The Christian church needs to be held to the same standard and truly take accountability without trying to minimize their role.

[@kobychan5260]

@@ThinslicedseedtasticQuestion… Would you consider what Imperial Japan did in WWII Science?

[@john2g1]

​@@Thinslicedseedtastic Question when Donald Trump says something outrageous and unconstitutional do you say: Trump represents all of America or Trump is not a real American (because the US Constitution is America... The government anyway) or Say that he is an American but not a representation of all of America? Anyone can proclaim that they are a christian. However, if a person says or does something that is fundamentally unchristian, do other Christians not have the right to say nope?

[@HoverDoog]

@@Thinslicedseedtastic Do you think it is bad when Christians police themselves and ostracize people who bastardize their message? If someone did something bad in your name wouldn't you try and distance yourself from them?

[@fugitive_]

Was super proud of my christian dad a few days ago when i told him I started testosterone. He is kind of conservative and definitely was pro trump so i didn’t know how he would react but he basically said “even if I disagree, I still love you” and then he bought me a gamecube game cuz we were celebrating my bday at the mall. My dad is pretty cool :)

[@morgankelly9725]

But we live in a very trumpsh/misogynistic society. I wonder how he would have felt if you'd started off male, and decided to take testosterone BLOCKERS and estrogen.

[@stephenleblanc4677]

I WANT THAT ALBUM! As to the questioners, didn't Jesus wash Judas's feet too? Since he then calls out Judas after they sit down to dinner, he presumably KNEW that Judas was going to betray him. YET, he still washed his feet.

[@chocomelo454]

Since Judas was a disciple I'm thinking yes. Nobody but Jesus knew and if Jesus actively excluded Judas people would probably figure out quickly and prevent him from betraying Jesus, therefore preventing his sacrifice.

[@stephenleblanc4677]

@@chocomelo454 Jesus calls Judas out in front of all the disciples 1 hour later. I think the REAL answer is that Jesus didn't turn away from anyone.

[@kylesmith5633]

@@chocomelo454you’re doin backflips to escape the fact that he washed the feet of the guy who killed jesus. He literally said “one of you will betray me” before that

[@loxjvh]

I saw these ads for the first time on reddit. Specifically on JEWISH subreddits. Disgusting to me that even when the ad is trying to be about "love and acceptance", they still can't read the room and see how gross evangelizing to people who DO NOT WANT THAT is.

[@frufrujaben]

13:39 Such a good point! Intersectionality is for looking at reality. Reality is full of situations that seem contradictory or paradoxical. Like in film theory we moved past mere subjectivity/objectivity. The author is not dead, the author is confused.

[@nomisunrider6472]

The sad thing is this photo series had potential. I assumed the photos were about people who had institutional power (white people, rich people, cops, pastors) washing the feet of those without as a show of humility. But then you get to the oil worker and the alcoholic mother, etc and it becomes clear it's just "conservatives are so great, we'll even forgive you for being a sin!".

[@trialanderin]

I really appreciate your “Why I left Christianity” portion of this video 💕 It’s rare to see black women speak about ex-Christianity (which I feel can stem from fear of rejection or internalized negative self talk). I found myself leaning in to your story, and felt a little less alone about mine. I hope that making this video felt as empowering as it does to watch!

[@z.zomb.z]

There is no hate like Christian love.

[@awkwardukulele6077]

@@kickmuncher3”he was around prostitution and poor people because he loves them, but he doesn’t love the sin.” Are…are our people sinning for being poor? I don’t follow your meaning. That point aside though, Christ didn’t go up to queer or trans people and tell them to sin no more, so I’m not sure why you’d think being queer was a sin in the first place. Unless you think being queer is fine, in which case I have no idea why you’d be making excuses for them like this.

[@BoliceOccifer]

A statement like that can only come from someone who has only seen Christians who do not care about God's commands.

[@seemsfishy23]

The He Gets Us movement reminds me so much of the Jews For Jesus or “Messianic Christian” movement. Both are powerful, well-funded Christian groups that are co-opting the image of a minority group that has been historically oppressed by Christianity and feigning appreciation for them for the sole purpose of tricking them, converting them, and removing them from the starkly non-christian culture that brings them pride and community. The purpose of He Gets Us and Jews for Jesus is not for there to be more Christian Jews and Christian queers, but for there to be more “saved” FORMER Jews and FORMER queers. They are wolves in sheep’s clothing.

[@jacksonlevy5464]

tf is a christian Jew? all I can think of is the child of an interfaith relationship but idt that's what they're talking about lol (ang I say this as a queer Jewish child of an interfaith couple)

[@lxlx7941]

Also the former queer thing is so stupid cause lgbtq+ are BORN that way. They’re literally not former, they’re just being forced to be straight, cis or allo even tho they were literally not born that or to be that way. Their BRAIN literally does not function that way and it will NEVER function that way And even if they die, guess what? THEY ARE STILL GOING TO BE QUEER. Tho that makes it more sad when they realized they were never wrong and they could’ve lived a peaceful and happy life being themselves but instead got manipulated and brainwashed so they wasted that life and that persona and that vessel. So it’s sad and it sucks. These people are monsters

[@seemsfishy23]

@@jacksonlevy5464 right, no. It doesn’t exist.

[@tangerine1884]

that’s exactly it-the point is not to accept queer christians, just to get them close enough to convert. the prevailing notion has been “queer people are not welcome in church” and all they’re trying to do is turn it into “queer people are welcome, but for the express purpose of conversion.”

[@tina4178]

Your analysis is always so nuanced. As a Christian, I love and appreciate your perspective. I realize that sexuality, gender identity, biological sex, and gender expression can't be so cut and dry, especially if all people are made in God's image. ❤

[@usainengland]

Absolutely! We ALL part of the Devine. Love your neighbour, especially those neighbours you don’t like.

[@adiblatif]

The Bible also says that we are all born in sin. Straight or gay. And thus we are called to be born again of the Spirit. God made one sexuality. The rest of the umbrella are symptoms of our fall. As we became separated from God all aspects of human life were distorted. But He promises to give us a new heart with new affections, just as long as we trust Him to work in us. We are imagebearers of God, but we have become distorted in our reflection of Him - and when we chose to follow our own hearts instead of His will, we became further and further away from life. I speak this as someone who’s lived 14 years as a homosexual and finally came to Christ 4 years ago. There is true joy in surrendering to Him. To life a homosexual lifestyle is rebelling against His design.

[@mirandabee2323]

I feel that. I resonate with that.

[@abjectmadness1111]

@@xAzureXHazexHe also made wheat but not bread

[@shawndonq135]

I’m gonna be in the minority here, but I’m Christian. Jesus didn’t hate. He literally fed thousands of people. Resurrected people from the dead, healed the sick, inspired billions of people and DIED FOR EVERYONE. It makes me mad that this company or whatever is using Jesus Christ as a way to justify the evil things they are doing. As a follower of Jesus it makes me really mad.

[@natsmith303]

I am a queer Christian myself, and I have *loathed* these ads since I first came across one. It always seemed transparently obvious to me that this campaign isn't interested in making Christians more Christ-like but instead recuperating liberation theology ideas to make themselves look more appealing. And that use of aesthetic with nothing to back it up is something I won't stand for.

[@abjectmadness1111]

What do u think of the verses that talk about sexual sin being one of the worst?? And how being homosexual is wrong? (Genuine questions, in the same boat as u)

[@NoFirstNoLastName]

I am Christian. I can’t tie myself away from experiences that I believe to be spiritual. That being said, I definitely got away from the church, because of sh-t like this. It’s so hard to find those who are truly inclusive who don’t in some way have ties to fundamentalists.

[@Deg40000]

This! I’ve recently been trying to develop my personal relationship with God more myself but I just don’t think I can go back to the church as its ties towards fundamentalism is just too much for me. Not to mention the hate certain Christians have as well

[@stalfithrildi5366]

Are there any Quakers near you?

[@usainengland]

@@stalfithrildi5366 I agree with you. Good thinking! Quakers are good folks. My problem is that I NEED teaching and leadership. When trying to hear God, I confuse my own thoughts with spiritual inspiration. Lovely people but lacking the structure that I need. Peace to you.

[@mirandabee2323]

I feel that.

[@user-cr4pz5yg7y]

You probably just have high estrogen. All spirituality is just hormones and neurological instances. If you had more logic you would see that you still support hatred.

[@aleco444]

I always remember what Martin Luther king mentioned towards the end of his letter, when he was in birghmingham Alabama. Long story short, he was talking about the complacency within the white community during his peaceful protest. Not saying that it was all white Christian’s that were doing nothing, but a good amount I imagine where (distant) in their help towards inclusivity of all. I often feel that the church has become more and more disingenuous with their protest for (God’s love). But it’s nothing new, it’s just spiked more because people don’t want to follow people that don’t care. It’s actually sad, lol.

[@camipco]

Billie Graham (according to him) was inspired by that letter to start his ministry. He says it taught him that Christians have a responsibility to make God's will be true on Earth, not just pray for souls and wait for heaven. Which is what led Graham, who was also of course an incredibly charismatic preacher, to start the political christian movement which he did. In lot's of ways, Graham is very similar to Dr. King. Only, y'know, evil.

[@Stinkydinkydo]

As someone who at this point doesnt really call myself a christian but used to compete in bible quizing competitions and went to multiple bible studies every week throughout my childhood/teen years. i find it ironic how most of the people left in the church are the least chirstlike people i know. When push came to shove, jesus literally let himself be nailed to a cross for everyone. For outcasts, marginalized, downtrodden, forgotten, forsaken, even the uforgiveable. everyone. But the modern christian cant even sit next to someone who might be gay. Talk about weak and embarrassing.

[@sarahm8704]

Trust me, there are still many, many Christians who are able to friends with those of opposing veiws, all of the Christians I personally know truly love Christ and thus follow his teachings. I'm sorry that you ahve had bad expeirences in the past with the church.

[@yunglynda1326]

to me, this ad campaign is fking cursed and sinister and insulting, speaking as a person who grew up hindu/spiritual/atheist under the "christian" cultural hegemony of the bible belt. i grew up passing by expensive billboards of "JESUS COMING SOON" and experiencing multi axial erasure. i, too, felt the contradictory nature of these churches pouring money into these billboards instead of into the community. and you're right, if they actually lived the liberatory/anti-capitalist values of jesus they'd be much more likely to gain devotees. i'd still be out, since any sort of religious doctrine that's so concerned with its own number count and conversion and evangelizing gives me the creeps

[@yunglynda1326]

another thought i wanna share: i'm def not into organized religion esp not this type of american colonial xtianity, but i think there's value in liberatory xtianity i.e. black, p🍉lestinian, and otherwise.

[@bruhdudeguyman]

You put to words the things I wish my conservative Christian parents would at least TRY to understand. They think people's fear and avoidance of the modern-day church comes from hate. No - it comes from a place of wanting to survive and get away from the place that badly traumatized us. I realized I was no longer a Christian when I felt RELIEF for admitting to myself that I didn't believe in the religion anymore. That relief was due to the isolation and shame I learned to feel for not being heterosexual or cisgender. I think a lot of conservative Christians are ignorant of what their ideology is doing, while others DO know and don't care about the harm it brings. It's crazy how even the idea of HUMANIZING the people who "live in sin" is still argued to be heretical. That humanizing people = endorsing their "lifestyle" or whatever. It's mindboggling, honestly.

[@user-cr4pz5yg7y]

Humanizing = woke. They cant have that

[@IJustAnimateThatsTheJist]

It's because most people are truly aware of the damage they're causing, they're just apathetic towards the people they're harming. I also grew up Christian (Pentecostal) and I was told that my disability was demonic. I wasn't allowed medication, wasn't allowed therapy, and was abused/neglected growing up. (Both by my family and by the church I attended.) I would break down pretty frequently just to be hit more or completely ignored. They know exactly what they're doing, they just don't care enough to step up and do something about the pain their communities cause.

[@shroomer8294]

It really feels like the ad went "us christians aren't hateful bigots" and christians responded with "YES WE F*CKING ARE!"

[@mangledfoxy2052]

Those Christian’s are then shocked when people aren’t Christians as well

[@WitchOracle]

I'm glad you looked into the photographer for the campaign, I wouldn't have thought to do so but ultimately I do find her art really provocative and I like that. I don't enjoy the photos for the campaign as much as her AI inspired stuff though, they feel particularly contrived to me. Which is interesting, because that could almost be interpreted as a subversive message dismantling the whole point of the campaign. But ultimately this particular campaign as well as all the others from He Gets Us that I've seen around town (the Internet) have fallen flat for me. I'm just not into Branded Christianity TM.

[@BlondieGurl1129]

That’s interesting because, as a Christian, I didn’t initially think the commercial was directed towards leftists. I thought it was supposed to be a kick in the ass for the hateful “Christians” of today and remind them what the core of the religion is supposed to be.

[@XH13]

Each time I heard of a rebrand of Christianity, I can't think of anything else than the "Buddy Christ" from Dogma

[@dagmarland]

EXACTLY! That image - and that rebrand concept - has managed to become less satirical and more realistic over time.

[@sigmaproverbs2018]

ooh ee ooh i look just like buddy christ woah oh and your mary tyler moore i don’t care what they say about us anyway i don’t care bout that

[@JenSell1626]

“Catholicism, Wow!” RIP George Carlin

[@kikicogger2284]

“Jesus only washed his disciple’s feet. The ones who took up their crosses and turned from their sin.” So apparently she doesn’t remember that Jesus washed Judas’ feet as well- one who had turned from him. Judas actively REFUSED his cross and Jesus still washed his feet anyway. In a similar vain, Jesus let a prostitute wash his feet- showing humility to one whose lifestyle was considered (and still is) “divisive” or “sinful.” The reason? Because he saw these people as having innate value, regardless of whether or not he agreed with their choices. Jesus may not have washed everyone’s feet, but he instructed his disciples to was each other’s feet- including the one who would betray them. Since the disciples are role models for other Christian, Christians “should wash each other’s feet” (metaphorically), including those of whom they disagree with. The fact these people see an advertisement basically saying “hey we disagree but we’re all children of God” and respond with “that’s not biblical” makes me feel physically sick. It really emphasizes the fact that they don’t see “sinners” (LGBTQ+ people, Pro-choice, etc.) as equals. They see them as literally beneath them- which is the exact OPPOSITE of what Jesus taught. It’s really terrifying that they see an ad that says “love thy neighbor as you do yourself” and see it as a leftist propaganda meant to lead people to sin. This really hit home for me because it reminded me why I had to turn away from the Christianity. I was raised Catholic- I even went so far as to be confirmed. I didn’t turn away because I didn’t believe in God or because I disagreed with Jesus’s teachings. I turn away because I could no longer tolerate the church’s views and how they ignored their own lessons when they were inconvenient. One of the biggest for me was their view of LGBTQIA+ people. I refused to see my LGBTQIA+ siblings seen as sinning or less than for simply EXISTING. I refused to view them as the same as pedophiles- that showing their true selves by loving or identifying as who they are was the same level of sin as a predator attacking a child (yes this was how they actually explained it me). They taught me that all people had dignity and value, and deserved to be treated as such. Yet many of the Catholic people I grew up with would agree with Hobby Lobby, saying a trans woman can’t use a women’s restroom. They would claim their beliefs superseded her right to dignity and safety. I later found out that I was a pansexual. I was and am beyond blessed to have a family who loved and accepted me regardless of my sexuality. But it sometimes hurts to know that if I ever returned to the Catholic Church, my church friends and community would turn their back on me if I ever showed my true self to them. And I know this is a common sentiment. If these people could simply follow Jesus’ actual teachings and stop being so goddamn hateful (and fix the predator issue), many more people would come back. No several million dollar ad campaign required.

[@margodphd]

Beautiful post, thank you.

[@Lisa_Flowers]

I understand where this post is coming from but there's a lot of horrible shit in the Bible entirely seperate of how modern day Christians behave. Some of us left not just because of the harm done to us by Modern Christians, but also the harm we saw in the Bible and it's depictions of God.

[@RebisOfTheseus]

The fact that they had to stage their kindness for literal ads says so much about modern Christianity.

[@JJ-mp7rg]

He gets us.* Some terms and conditions may apply.

[@reneerougeaux7046]

Is there any place on earth where religion and politics are NOT in a toxic and loveless marriage??

[@COOKIEM260]

Yes. Off the phones and tvs.

[@puzzpan]

im so glad youre talking about this, i keep seeing theyre ads all the time and it honestly kinda pisses me off. a lot of ppl dont know about all the bad shit theyre doing behind the scenes so thank you for saying something

[@thedistinguished5255]

i like how accessible you make your videos. even when you explained a concept in another video, you still explain it more briefly instead of linking to another video entirely

[@grahamegaw-mc3bw]

But she made a basic error - Judas betrayed JESUS for 30 pieces of silver.

[@LeahOkenos-zw2el]

The catholic church was really an existential nightmare for me as a child where I was raised to believe that God and the church was inherently kind and community oriented but also hate-filled and vengeful to perceived slights. It made me always feel that I was on a tightrope with the Lord, always desperate to earn his favor with good deeds, while petrified of falling into the abyss below. Worse still I was getting told all the time that who I was and how I acted (me being a transgender child) was inherently selfish and sinful. That it was hurting people in the congregation by tempting them into lust. Which in reality l was merely the justification for allowing one of the priests to subject me to rape and beatings from the ages of 9 to 14. Violence that other priests and congregants would blame on my inherent sinfulness as they worked to cover it up. So all in all, I’m much happier and safer that I left the catholic church. I know there are plenty of other people, trans included, who didn’t find such a restrictive or hate-filled environment in the church as I did and I mean kudos to them. But while the catholic church isn’t the most conservative of churches out there, my experiences of child abuse and transphobia are not an anomaly but part of a larger problem within the faith.

[@margodphd]

Glad you are safe. Having undergone relatively short and probably minor compared to your experience, sexual abuse in church choir, I'm deeply fucking sorry you went through it. I hope you are safe and healed as much as it's possible after such horrible betrayal.

[@Jrpyify]

The thing that raised the eyebrow for me was the oil worker washing the feet of the environmentalist. That makes no sense. It should be the oil executive washing both/either of their feet.

[@sarahandmahal]

Im late but I was a Student Chaplain and eventually studied theology, and for them to say that “Washing feet is not the gospel” goes against Jesus’ message. He asked for his disciples to love one another as He loved them, and the symbolism of that is washing feet. His disciples feet would’ve been so gross, yet he still got down and scrubbed them because he LOVED them and demonstrated the humility it takes to love someone. For a Christian to say that it’s not indicative of the Gospel literally demonstrates that they don’t understand it. Lmaoo I’m glad I don’t practice anymore.

[@CostumedFiend_Audio]

I randomly fell down a rabbit hole and am currently watching this Brazilian soap opera from the 90s, that takes place in the 50s, and it's wild seeing the ways conservative christianity/catholicism have not changed at all. On the topic of the commercial, I think that if it came from a genuine place I would agree that it is a good concept, the backlash to it alone proves that there's a need for certain groups of people to be a little bit humbled/reminded about the religions core principles.

[@MadameGumbo]

Between you and Natalie Wynn, Bible study seems cooler than I thought. Thank you for your work.

[@nicholasking4302]

As a polytheist I always get frustrated by the "Christian or Atheist" binary in our society. I know that those at two big groups...but others of us exist

[@thedistinguished5255]

another important thing about intersectionality is that there are different axes of opression, it doesnt all add to one number of how much youre opressed, but youre instead opressed in different areas. a black business owner can still opress their workers whilst experiancing racism on a daily basis, a gay person can be racist while experiancing homophobia, a disabled person can be homophobic while struggling due to a lack of accomodations. "what happened to working together?" i dont know, ask those people. but these behaviours are way too common. if you believe you can't opress anyone due to being opressed yourself, youre locking yourself out of alot of understanding of other peoples struggles and how you might affect them

[@leocoyote6579]

this is an incredible video!!!! production value on 1000!!!!!!! thank you kat!!!!!! also jesus CHRIST those conservative xtian’s tikkytokky’s were so dripping with hatred it truly breaks my heart and makes me pity them to see them twist hatred into calling it love and calling true love hatred lol makes my head spin

[@mari98_]

as an always atheist who was made to go to Pentecostal church growing up, I clocked these immediately and was like who tf is funding these?? They push them hard af on Reddit lol

[@thirdplanetfromthesun]

Great insight. thanks for making this. RE: finding support in churches....we had a city council member upset about providing shelter for the homeless and argued that the city should not provide funding until other community resources have been sought, such as support from churches. What a black hole suggestion.

[@artoffacts96]

Hearing the Christian tik tokers speak reminds me how I used to be when I was a Christian yeessh I'm so glad I'm an atheist😂

[@l01230123]

I'm pretty pumped that Christian Jesus/God believes rich people are all going to hell. That's what they should've advertised! Damn it, Kat they should have hired you at least as a consultant!! 😂

[@noodles2459]

True

[@reillysmith2934]

Why did I just find this channel, you're so engaging I wanna absorb you 😭

[@teal_m_101]

Just found it as well, and she's got me hooked.

[@kaheivi]

i was forced to go to church with my parents and didn’t mind it sometimes cus the pastor was more or less apolitical. after he left and we got a new pastor it was the same old “gay bad” “woke christian’s are not valid” bs that i can’t stand. there was adult sunday school that took place before the service and my parents made me go to that once and it was so jarring hearing an old white man talk about literal eugenics and hatred towards queer people. my family is mexican and it wasn’t uncommon that we were the only poc in the room. growing up in the church surrounded by rich white people was so isolating. being gay on top of that made me feel even more uncomfortable.

[@Brevincampbell12]

I consider myself a progressive Christian and it is clear while I love the idea of the ad that these ideas need to come from a place of a desire to show real change in Christianity and their way of doing things. And it is clear that these changes need to be legitimate not just to bring people in

[@dagmarland]

Too much of American Christianity is purely performative.

[@catsmom129]

💯

[@margodphd]

​@@dagmarlandAll of it performative. You can be a good human being without religion and good people don't need to go around announcing it or selling you another idea system.

[@pbjmochi8400]

If you have to advertise your Christianity, it's inherently performative. Matthew 6:5-6: “And when you pray, do not be like the hypocrites, for they love to pray standing in the synagogues and on the street corners to be seen by others. Truly I tell you, they have received their reward in full. But when you pray, go into your room, close the door and pray to your Father, who is unseen. Then your Father, who sees what is done in secret, will reward you."

[@petrab.7780]

The photos actually made me think of Kent Monkman’s art somewhat. He tends to reference colonial oil paintings more (the super static-y officious looking stuff), but the effect is sort of similar, so my initial reaction was that the style itself was subversive. I really liked that reading of them-basically that they’re playing on associations with oil painting and the drama of western christian art to make you think a bit harder about what exactly is going on in the image. TL;DR they kind of felt like satire, and as satire I think they work really well. We all know conservative christians, however, could not recognize satire if it ate their face off.

[@hexedcupid]

bro no way i got a prayer app ad before this 😭

[@floydthibodeaux1844]

When I seen that commercial I thought "wolves trying to put a sheep's clothing back on".

[@evilpenguiui1925]

Shoutout to F.D. Signifier for putting me onto your amazing channel!

[@ScizzorSaurusX99]

“If you know Jesus for yourself, if you have the Holy Spirit you will know this commercial is deceptive” oop and we got a blasphemy folks! We got one who thinks they can possess the Holy Spirit!

[@hellomynamesninooo6017]

The hobby lobby case infuriates me. If Hobby Lobby thinks they're employing a rapist, sexual assaulted, or sexual harasser, why didn't they just fire them? The answer is that the employee isn't any of those things, she's just trans. But thinking through their logic makes it very transparent how little they actually care about the things they're pretending to care about in order to cover up their blatant transphobia.

[@KatBlaque]

Yeah, it’s so weird because they employed her for over a decade and somehow her being transgender turns her into a sexual predator. Which is so bizarre because if she was a predator before she’ll be a predator after vice versa, and perhaps predatory behavior was acceptable if you were a man, but if you were a woman lol. I don’t know. It just doesn’t make sense, but of course transphobia is nonsensical.

[@nathaniel4104]

Thanks FD Signifier for getting me here. Kat! I appreciate you and this video. So good.

[@person318]

As a Christian it hurts to see people of faith alienating, judging and hating others. How does that help to spread the gospel?

[@Scar-jg4bn]

You gotta realize that most of you are exactly like the Christians in this video and are why your religion is declining.

[@norikofu509]

Thats why i rather have my own relationship with The Gospel, i am not an attorney to defend these people

[@MichaelFowler-bu3fd]

I can’t believe people are still waiting for Jesus to come back. For 2000 years every generation thought they were the generation that would see the return. Give it up already.

[@emilya8314]

Thank you for investigating and sharing! I keep seeing those ads and I really wondered what they were about. As an exvangelical who was put off my the church's treatment of queer folks, it certainly made me feel something!

[@ms-abominable]

omg that kimberlé portrait is bellissima!!! 😍😍

[@lynxseir6841]

This conversation was provocative and interesting. And I really love your presentation, the candles, the black necklace, the hair, and the black lipstick. Also you taught me more about intersectionality so thank you! It definitely helped me understand. I hit subscribe.

[@whatsupranchdubois]

I spent a year scrolling past he gets us ads and rolling my eyes, telling myself not to be an edgelord about it. but as soon as I read about the org that runs them after the superbowl I just went "I KNEW IT!" so validating lol

[@fattestkirk]

Love Kat casually dropping the best roast of Christianity I've seen in a minute. Been a subscriber for years, and her vids are always quality

[@romanmay2867]

is it of christianity or just the mainstream versions in america specifically (and online i guess now)

[@cookingwithsilence]

"This fake news would have you believe that we just do what Jesus did and follow what Jesus told us to do, but Tik Tok, I am here today to tell you that that is a lie."

[@YamiHoOu]

The intersectionality part is so important. It really annoys me when people list a bunch of identity politics as a shield against criticism. Like that's not what intersectionality is!

[@Radhaun]

I hadn't heard about this ad at all before now. I was also raised Christian but wasn't and to reconcile "all powerful, all Knowing, and all Loving" with the state of the world when I was a teenager. I don't think this ad would have provoked me to exploring Christianity though, too many others claiming their faith have disabused me of the notion that it's worth my time.

[@kookootrix1978]

Accurate, except it was 30 pieces of silver. And the Passover meal took place in Jerusalem in Judea. The region wasn't referred to as Palestine until well after Jesus died. Like at least 100 years after.

[@AttenuatedNecronym]

The first step in me becoming an athiest was taking the time to intentionally read the bible. It was the sermon on the mount specifically that i stopped and thought "this sounds like that other guy?" I ended up learning about 5 other religions before throwing in the towel and figuring it must be made up by humans. All of this is to say while i might have been the target demo it couldn't have ever worked

[@VRSVLVS]

Every time... Every fucking time. When people and organisations say they are "neither right nor left"... They are invariably hard-right.

[@ayanna6327]

What you said about religion needing to be something you come to naturally, was very true. I converted to Judaism last year after years of being agnostic because when I looked into what religions had to offer, Judaism, specifically the Reform sect, just had the most effect on me. I was raised Catholic and was quite devout up until my early teenage years and left the church for several reasons. But Judaism was something that I gravitated to, especially when it came to their philosophy. Being allowed to explore or be curious about other faiths should be encouraged way more. I think adhering to a religion just because you were born into it is a very weak argument for being religious. Go out there, experience other spiritualities, if you find one you like, cool, if not, also cool.

[@les5503]

Well this unlocked a memory of when I literally had to get my feet washed by the youth minister as part of a retreat I’m so glad I’m an atheist now

[@sailorplanetmars6103]

It's so incredibly bizarre to me that people can manage to maintain this patently incorrect belief that they're just maintaining their religion, as if there isn't patent racist and queerphobic beliefs actually leading their utterances. Like. Sure maybe Jesus only washed his disciples feet but what about the story with the leper??? He was all about showing compassion to the downtrodden that was famously his whole deal. Somehow they're complaining that cops aren't being showed proper respect when they're *literally being portrayed as Jesus*. It's so crazy, how can you literally look at a cop (who allegedly "protect and serve") being Jesus and walk away with the idea that this somehow made them look weak and pathetic?? We all know the answer - cops aren't supposed to embody the actual values of Christ, they're supposed to embody the racist values of the white supremacist state, with "Christianity" simply being a veil over that white supremacy, and thus the most "Christian" thing they can do is continue to enact violence on Black bodies. But it's just so transparent I can barely comprehend how somehow can genuinely believe this without observing the contradiction.