The 1851 Women's Pants That Made The Victorians Go Crazy

Victorian men be like: ayy lmao women wearing pants now? wait till they go after our jobs
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the ghost of the woman behind me messed up the focus I swear

[@stanstraykidsluv2018]

Karolina Żebrowska it’s ok

[@mads-wc7le]

Karolina Żebrowska hello!

[@wiktorwolek1948]

Masz rację w każdej sprawie 🤣🤣🤣🤣

[@itsoldsoulagain]

this is a mood! love this video no matter what!

[@mystii8134]

Karolina Żebrowska sad.

[@iSaraSeantae]

When the cartoons meant to mock women in pants make them look spunky and vivacious 🙃 and also glaringly highlight societal double standards of the era 😶

it's honestly such a cool look I'm tempted to recreate the caricature one rather than what they actually wore 😂

[@iSaraSeantae]

@ I would love that! Honestly it's something I'd do as a Halloween look to bounce around sassily in 😊

[@Robin-of2jt]

@ I would love to see that!

[@KelseyDrummer]

I want to recreate the caricatures and I'm a ratchet sewist!

[@hedgehog3180]

I don't support smoking but the drawings of them in high hats and smoking are incredibly sexy.

[@clanskrub665]

heaven forbid that women be allowed to do a high kick with ease

[@kategrant2728]

I'm so glad someone else shares my priorities.

[@elizabetha3936]

The scandal. Always keep a dime between your knees.

[@qwertyuiop-pu8uc]

@@emilydolores6458 #notalljeans lol

[@pheart2381]

The original can-can dancers didnt wear underwear!

[@justincowgill8875]

Heaven forbid that woman be able to breathe. Imagine how severe cases of organ displacement were from those corsets.

[@anneshirley2095]

Most common phrase of 1851, "Ok Bloomer."

[@vifrollo386]

It's actually ok, boomer not bloomer

[@joanacardoso2060]

@@vifrollo386 that's the joke

[@fwromel]

@@vifrollo386 1:22

[@biancamlf288]

Vi Frollo r/woosh

[@miriamhavard7621]

......my thoughts, exactly!!! 😁

[@mandyr]

1850s Women: "We want reasonable clothing and equal rights!" Men: "Ok, Bloomer..."

[@martasorangeberry]

Women were the ones in charge of their fashion. We popularized one style of dress over the other, from decade to decade. Including the unreasonable ones.

[@mandyr]

Marta S I don’t disagree... I just wanted to make the “Ok, bloomer” joke. Literally just wanted to be silly. 😁

[@lisawillis8227]

😆😆😆😆

[@960junebug]

dammit I was gonna comment that lol

[@LadyDragonbane]

@@martasorangeberry Yeah, that's why I get annoyed when people talk like men dictated everything about our clothing, as if we're too stupid to have an opinion or chose what to wear. Totally misguided "empowerment".

[@laluna8799]

Wearing pants is like wearing skirt for each leg. Edit. 1.6k likes? I am shooketh. Thank you!

[@kmarfufufu]

Unacceptable xD

[@jesusclause4164]

Kata P ... why would you say something so controversial yet so true?

[@stompthedragon4010]

Cuff them right v below the knee to be particularly daring

[@jokiskywalker5417]

making it slightly more complicated to go to the loo and requiring smaller pockets, sadly :/

[@AllTheCloudsArePink]

bUt ThE hOoHa

[@alexandria3583]

when its 1851 and everyone is named elizabeth

[@stompthedragon4010]

I thought it was Mary? Ok, Elizabeth Mary, Mary Elizabeth.. Well, there was Ann and Katherine.

[@alexandria3583]

Stomp the Dragon don’t forget Catherine and VICTORIA of course!

[@stompthedragon4010]

@@alexandria3583 how the hell did I forget Victoria! Well right, Catherine w C instead of K. They needed some variety! Someone sh

[@bho-lj1jk]

Only because their Grammies were named Alsbeith.

[@alexandria3583]

@@bho-lj1jk ugh, so last century!

[@voivodadracula1936]

"Have you ever been mistaken for a man?" "No, have you?"

[@maladjustedmaverick6619]

_Dang._ 🤣

[@tirone7520]

Mad dunk!

[@lisawillis8227]

Game over, man, game over.

[@sergeantbigmac]

Goddamn I love that movie, iconic

[@friendofdorothy9376]

They mostly come out at night.... mostly

[@texaspoontappa2088]

"generally doing what men used to do at the time" i died

[@suem6004]

. Which makes it ok

[@MariaEduarda-uc6gt]

"""at the time"""

[@zain4019]

What Not To Do At a Stoplight Damn right, and proud of it.

[@jjhomestead5987]

And I was thinking "then and now"

[@artiezonk]

"Overall not great but kinda terrible" title of my autobiography

[@animerlon]

I relate, unfortunately.

[@JustMe-mp6vu]

😂😅👏👏👏👏

[@enilah]

imagine being scared of pants

[@healinggrounds19]

I am so old I can remember when my Catholic school FINALLY ALLOWED girls to wear pants as part of the school uniform. 1976. Some parents were still angrily against the idea of their daughters having the option of wearing pants and still made them wear skirts.

[@yeoldebanjo5470]

Sometimes I am.

[@adimofa]

Is the same as being afraid of body hair 😂

[@lachicaarte]

Is the same being mad/afraid of men wearing skirts or dresses

[@mmyr8ado.360]

@@lachicaarte What about kilts?

[@cinemaocd1752]

Taking your hater's ideas and making a famous fashion that to this day bears your name? ICONIC.

Well, he wasn't exactly a hater. They just had different views, but agreed on this one cause. She and her husband actually lived with that local newspaper's head editor for a while 😂

[@mophead_xu]

i ship it.

[@mophead_xu]

@ aand the ship sunk. :c

[@cinemaocd1752]

This is the most thumbs up I've ever gotten on a comment. I know I was kind of exaggerating with "hater" but generalizing gets the likes I guess. Also, I want bloomers now...

[@Naharu.]

Can l just say that l love the idea of two people having a "conversation" through articles and everyone seeing it like it was some twitter drama?

[@ThinWhiteAxe]

holy shit yes

[@LostinTranslation479]

My thoughts

[@movedaccountscyayalls7119]

HAHAHAHAHAB

[@justalittlebitmo]

I love how well she knew her Bible so that she could defend herself with the same tool the priest attacked her with. 👏👏💪😄

[@suem6004]

justalittlebitmo A priest or a reverend? . Makes a difference.

[@justalittlebitmo]

@@suem6004 The religious figure mentioned in the video.

[@sewathome]

She tried, but didn't quite nail it. There is a passage that forbids men to wear women's clothing and vice versa. Most Christians today would say women's pants are made for women and are therefore women's attire. There are some groups/ individuals who do feel pants are mens only. But these days you can wear way more practical skirts so more power to them if that's how they want to live

[@ifbpeanut]

Deuteronomy 22:5, "A woman shall not wear that which pertaineth to a man, neither shall a man put on a woman's garment, for all that do so are an abomination to the Lord our God."

[@justalittlebitmo]

@@ifbpeanut I knew the Bible mentions this topic. I just like how Bloomer was able to quote scripture right back at him. That was all I said in my comment. I love a scripturally literate sistah!

[@lawrencescales9864]

Europeans: go to China and Japan Women in China and Japan: wear realllyyy wide pants from time to time Europeans: WREEEEYYYYEERWRRRYYYYYYYYY

[@mariahhenderson1470]

Lmao

[@mariahhenderson1470]

69th like. *Noice*

[@lailanasir1779]

Same with the subcontinent. Heck women wore really fitted trousers back then too!

[@shoepixie]

I have a lovely article written my missionaries about how sensible and practical Chinese dress of the time is. It's quite awesome to see people recognising good fashion! (even in the midst of some other terrible attitudes)

[@josikasekuchen3380]

Well, Chinese had the practise of Feetbinding or Lotusfeet and have ever worn a kimono? It's quite restrictive... Different culture just mean different ways to restrict women

[@elvingearmasterirma7241]

Men: Its no joke! You women are getting out of hand! Women: Lol okay

[@rn4796]

I feel like someone really said that at some point lmao

[@elvingearmasterirma7241]

@@rn4796 Well, perhaps not exactly like that, but the sentiment is there.

[@Hjemdg]

"okay, m*le"

[@miriamhavard7621]

😁😂

[@Hjemdg]

Careful queen, there's an anti-trouser-wearing man behind you!

[@Ilidanna]

I think it's funny that it was priest who criticized on women's pants. Boy. You're walking around in shoe-lenght dress and you're like "men and women shouldn't be allowed to wear similiar things"?!

[@richmcgee434]

Depending on sect, they're also inclined toward some really silly looking hats and some have magical underwear.

[@Furienna]

That is called a robe though, not a dress.

[@Ilidanna]

@@Furienna I know its not called the same, but it looks simiar and that's what I was joking about ;)

[@Tkm-bi8gk]

@@Furienna robe is just skirt in french.

[@natasha-ut7si]

@@Tkm-bi8gk no, robe is dress and jupe is skirt but close enough

[@Jayjee762]

Can’t wait for the sequel: men wearing skirts

[@suzbone]

it's call Renfest ;)

[@WouldntULikeToKnow.]

I hope it takes place in Iowa 😏

[@eTraxx]

Look no further than Hollyweird

[@cloudsofsunset7323]

"We gotta go back to the caves man"

[@miriamhavard7621]

They've already got the man-purses and man-buns.......

[@briannabaskerville88]

So we have this era to thank for the early 2000's 'skirt over jeans' look.

[@Ninnisha]

Damn, I miss wearing that.

[@penelope-oe2vr]

My daughter has always and still does wear tutu over Jean's . Shes 10. She also LOVES historical dresses and asks me to make them for her. I'm learning to sew to make them for her 💙💙💙

[@tiffprendergast]

Brianna Baskerville ugh

[@tiffprendergast]

penelope 2232 awesome

[@al_exists]

@@penelope-oe2vr this is very wholesome

[@SirAgravaine]

Lol seeing their "new dress with pants" has literally everyone on the Indian subcontinent going "we did that already"

[@devika5427]

Victorians: new dress over pants!! Indians wearing Kurtis: ....

[@mirinon8192]

Lmao yes

[@katherinetutschek4757]

The social impact in a culture that doesn't permit women to wear pants was the new thing, not the style of dress specifically.

[@rabiosas6473]

Not sure if it's related but aren't "salwar kameez" very popular in Pakistan? The dress over pants has been done before, and very fabulously lolol.

[@syedmazharhasan6803]

@@rabiosas6473 Yes, salwar kameez is our national dress (I am from Pakistan).

[@MirandaMilner]

Imagine going to like, a ball or something while wearing the “pants”. Quite the look. Bjork WHO?

[@Nameless-dw5nv]

I love Björk

[@MirandaMilner]

Fellrendión she’s very fascinating

[@IconiqueBloomie]

Bjööööööörrrrkkkk!! Literally, when I see her name I just literally start singing I’m goING HUNTING. I AM A HUNTER.

[@amelianannette972]

There were actually "bloomer balls"! So women absolutely did do that!

[@MirandaMilner]

Amelia Nannette cool! I meant a normal ball. Like if you were the only one there in the Bloomers

[@amelianannette972]

I actually am getting a paper on this movement published! Excited to see a more humorous and less intensely political and analytical take on dress reform

[@mariaandreinagarcia6177]

ooh congrats! where is it gonna be published? i would really like to read it

[@amelianannette972]

@@mariaandreinagarcia6177 The Indiana University Undergraduate Research Journal of History! And thank you!

[@zain4019]

Amelia Nannette Awesome! Good luck and thanks so much for helping others through your work:)

[@sorcellerie]

Women: literally just wearing pants Everyone: * *fist slam* * *nO!*

[@WayToVibe]

This whole time I am remembering the moment Sybil comes into the room on that episode of Downton Abbey after everyone is like, "She's been going on forever about this new frock of hers!" "Yes, let's hope it's all worth the hubbub." Then, !BOOM!, shocked silence. Pants. This episode was set in like 1919 or something and it was glorious watching Sybil rake in the glee as she absolutely scandalized her entire family, including Old Lady Grantham (who apparently escaped from Hogwarts just briefly to appear on this show) with her 'new' frock.

[@healinggrounds19]

I love that outfit. I have wanted to recreate it.

Yes, it was (not counting the biking pants rage of the 1890s/1900s) what could be considered the second wave of bloomerism, started by French designers around 1909. Funnily enough, the trousers were still worn underneath knee-length tunics and it was still considered super controversial - after all these years! The Downton Abbey design is inspired by Paul Poiret's "oriental" eveningwear designs ❤️

[@miriamhavard7621]

l was thinking of Sybil, too!!! Sybil the feminist, the unionist, the progressive. 💕

[@mmw55122]

That is exactly what my mind went to as soon as I saw this appear! And I LOLed hard at "...old Lady Grantham who escaped Hogwarts..." Yes, I am a heathen.

[@laurethiabaud-vespierre5550]

1910~1913 : before WW1

[@secretforreddit]

Last time I was this early I would have had to defend my choice to wear pants to the community at large or been shunned

[@mystii8134]

Secret Forreddit I shall wear trousers under my skirt and hope I don’t get shunned!

[@estherbunny]

i´m gonna pull this up next time i´m arguing about the existence of vampires

[@jane.s4052]

Women's pants: exists Victorian Karens: iS tHIs a tHreaT to faMilY liFe????????!!???!!?

[@yanasimitchiyska9289]

😂

[@6thgraderfriends]

"Men and women can't wear similar clothing!" Meanwhile Europe and America forgets that the rest of the world exists and many cultures wear similar clothing because why not? Lol.

[@Atomkaerna]

Yea Europe and America have been forgetting that other cultures exist for as long as they have been able to do that. (Im a religious studies major and have recently been reading about the research history of the field and BOY do white people be ignorant about other cultures. Thats what i've learned during the past six months.)

[@nikoletta3855]

I wouldn't say it's all of Europe because for example in my country (greece) in most of the 1800s traditionally both men and women wore skirts (the ones for the men where much shorter however) and as far as I know women in all of the ottoman empire could wear those very wide puffy pants sometimes for example

[@6thgraderfriends]

@@nikoletta3855 Well I didn't want to say a specific country in Europe because I didn't want a dozen angry comments being like, "I'm from there and I'm not like that!" But whatever.

[@nikoletta3855]

@@6thgraderfriends oh it's ok I get it. Also I generally agree with the point you made, people in north america and the "west" in general do forget other cultures exists when talking about fashion lol

[@danielbergonzi7319]

haram

[@mrpickles9429]

I love how the men ridiculing women for wearing trousers exposed themselves

[@tomako3a]

When I was a kid, my absolute favorite book was the lesser-known "Eight Cousins" by Louisa May Alcott -- a very moralistic story published in 1875 about a 13yo orphan named Rose cared for by her aunts and her uncle guardian Alec, a doctor with very forward and revolutionary ideas about proper and healthy ways to bring up a girl. I haven't re-read the book in ages, but I used to know it almost by heart, so when you said "Bloomer", it rang a bell. I found the book online and here's an excerpt from the chapter called "Fashion and Physiology", in which the fashionable aunt Clara brings Rose her first ever fashionable dress; the uncle finds it inadequate and instead sends Rose to her room to change into the costume he prepared for her. ""I should say that a walking suit in which one could not walk, and a winter suit which exposes the throat, head, and feet to cold and damp, was rather a failure, Clara; especially as it has no beauty to reconcile one to its utter unfitness," said Dr. Alec, as he helped Rose undo her veil, adding, in a low tone, "Nice thing for the eyes; you'll soon see spots when it is off as well as when it is on, and, by and by, be a case for an oculist." "No beauty!" cried Mrs. Clara, warmly. "Now that is just a man's blindness. This is the best of silk and camel's hair, real ostrich feathers, and an expensive ermine muff. What could be in better taste, or more proper for a young girl?" "I'll show you, if Rose will go to her room and oblige me by putting on what she finds there," answered the Doctor, with unexpected readiness. "Alec, if it is a Bloomer, I shall protest. I've been expecting it, but I know I cannot bear to see that pretty child sacrificed to your wild ideas of health. Tell me it isn't a Bloomer!" and Mrs. Clara clasped her hands imploringly. "It is not." "Thank Heaven!" and she resigned herself with a sigh of relief" and while Rose changes, Louisa May Alcott tells us, through Dr. Alec, what she's thinking about corsets for teen girls. "...his quick eye fell upon an object which caused him to frown, and demand in an indignant tone,- "After all I have said, were you really going to tempt my girl with those abominable things?" "I thought we put them away when she wouldn't wear them," murmured Mrs. Clara, whisking a little pair of corsets out of sight, with guilty haste. "I only brought them to try, for Rose is growing stout, and will have no figure if it is not attended to soon," she added, with an air of calm conviction that roused the Doctor still more, for this was one of his especial abominations. "Growing stout! Yes, thank Heaven, she is, and shall continue to do it, for Nature knows how to mould a woman better than any corset-maker, and I won't have her interfered with. My dear Clara, have you lost your senses that you can for a moment dream of putting a growing girl into an instrument of torture like this?" and with a sudden gesture he plucked forth the offending corsets from under the sofa cushion, and held them out with the expression one would wear on beholding the thumbscrews or the rack of ancient times. "Don't be absurd, Alec. There is no torture about it, for tight lacing is out of fashion, and we have nice, sensible things nowadays. Every one wears them; even babies have stiffened waists to support their weak little backs," began Mrs. Clara, rushing to the defence of the pet delusion of most women. "I know it, and so the poor little souls have weak backs all their days, as their mothers had before them. It is vain to argue the matter, and I won't try, but I wish to state, once for all, that if I ever see a pair of corsets near Rose, I'll put them in the fire, and you may send the bill to me."" in the meantime, Rose returns in a sensible dress that is warm, light, and doesn't restrict her movement. Another aunt calls it a "freedom suit" and says that she also ordered one for herself. I researched online briefly and it seems like it indeed existed, although didn't seem to catch on -- I wasn't able to find much information about it. You can read the whole chapter here: www.gutenberg.org/files/38567/38567-h/38567-h.htm#Page_204 Heh, thank you for giving me a reason to go look up my old favorite book :)

[@devika5427]

I thought of that scene too when I saw the video!

[@bookwitch6791]

Omg, that's so interesting, thank you so much!

[@Yessica13]

This book, and the concept of freedom suits, was/is a huge influence on me and my sense of fashion.

[@benlucas3625]

I guess they forgot ancient Greek, Roman, Egyptian, etc. men wore what would be considered dresses and skirts.

[@KasumiRINA]

priests wear literally dresses to this day.

[@Whitegirllover101]

Arab men still wear dresses

[@ThexDynastxQueen]

Priest: Dey bible say wymens can't wear men's clothes! Bloomer: *_takes out bible_* I'mma about to end this man's entire existence.

[@j.r.r5863]

The Dynast Queen This comment makes no sense, especially because Karolina mentions that Bloomer said that she was received with respect and acceptance in church lol 6:07

[@MJ-he1hf]

@@j.r.r5863 9:45

[@andrzejsamorzewski146]

Deteronomy 22:5 “A woman shall not wear a man's garment, nor shall a man put on a woman's cloak, for whoever does these things is an abomination to the Lord your God.'' But there's also Deteronomy 22:11 '' You shall not wear cloth of wool and linen mixed together.'' And Leviticus 19:19 “You shall keep my statutes. You shall not let your cattle breed with a different kind. You shall not sow your field with two kinds of seed, nor shall you wear a garment of cloth made of two kinds of material.''

[@ThisIsATireFire]

@@andrzejsamorzewski146 just a few more reasons why I am so much happier since I left christianity behind. Thanks!

[@j.r.r5863]

Erica Kusske You see though, that is how fundamentalists read the Bible. Which is why The Catholic Church teaches that Sola Scriptura makes no sense. The Bible was never meant to be interpreted literally in every single one of its verses neither was it meant to be read separate from its historical context. If you read it like that, with sola scriptura and without historical context or an interpreting authority, you can make the scriptures say whatever you want.

[@Reservation4Dorsia]

My new favorite quote "Overall not great, but kind of terrible."

[@Fatima-fo4bv]

Humans are so ridiculous They fear things that are harmless and meaningless, they give value to prettiest things This also makes them interesting creatures

[@MaylocBrittinorum]

The aliens studying us be like:

[@SM-qv2om]

if you think about it, nothing has a meaning until you give it a meaning, and some things are left better off meaningless

[@sundus928]

You just explained how men enforce hijab on us and then want a pretty wife.

[@user-bw3oh8cd8p]

everybody gangster until the skirts start growing legs...

[@katherinemorelle7115]

TIL: that the term “bloomers” came from a feminist. This makes me very happy. Also, thanks be to those early feminists, fighting for our rights.

[@ARCtheCartoonMaster]

Back when feminists had their priorities straight.

[@nm9688]

@@ARCtheCartoonMaster I doubt you know the first thing about feminism's history.

[@ARCtheCartoonMaster]

@@nm9688 Not sure if you're a feminist or an antifeminist.

[@2gwen]

ARC the Clarinet Master Not all feminists these days are the crazy ones you hear about. Those are just the loudest.

[@nm9688]

@@ARCtheCartoonMaster if I were an antifeminist, I wouldn't know anything about the history of feminism either would I? ;)

[@Alderaanova]

why is that lady from the portrait staring right into my soul

[@karlacorona2186]

she knows what you did

[@ladyriver226]

The one thumb down was from the man who doesn't want women to wear trousers.

[@stompthedragon4010]

Maybe he is mad because he wants to wear a dress and is too inhibited.

[@yeoldebanjo5470]

....well....if I may give my opinion, I believe women do look many times more attractive while wearing a dress or skirt rather than pants.

[@nm9688]

@@yeoldebanjo5470 ok?

[@nm9688]

Sadly I've heard men and women still make this argument today, that women are losing their femininity by wearing pants

[@yeoldebanjo5470]

@@nm9688 I would agree. There's a certain aspect of femininity that is strongly defined in the wearing of a skirt or dress.

[@spectralballadeer1255]

Honestly, this style of dress was a LOOK and I would absolutely wear that today and nobody could stop me. It needs to be brought back along with dramatic Georgian hats

[@suem6004]

pepper Nobody Indian women wear pants with long tunic dress. Go for it

[@spectralballadeer1255]

@@suem6004 They have beautiful clothes but I'm white and not about to appropriate their culture

[@stompthedragon4010]

Agree.

[@jokiskywalker5417]

@@spectralballadeer1255 You could wear baggy pants and a tunic dress without Indian style decoration if it makes you feel uncomfortable.

[@jenniferpearce1052]

@@spectralballadeer1255 If only we could just say it's clothing that I love, and I wanna wear it. I understand not wearing religious garb or uniforms if you don't belong to a group, but otherwise, it's clothes. My understanding is that the Japanese are generally in favor of other people wearing kimono. What? You like our culture's fabric design and clothing style? Thank you for the compliment! This seems like a much more inclusive, culture sharing mindset. Btw, have the westerners ever told the rest of the world's men to stop appropriating the suit and tie???

[@princekylo7715]

Next thing you know, they'll be wielding hatpins and demanding equal rights!

[@m.b3839]

*Me in 1860, crouching on the table poking my male boss with a pin:* let me vote you pant-wearing bastard

[@WhiteSmoke019]

I clicked and forgot that it's a fashion history channel for a second and was like Karolina is goth now???

[@michaebl3068]

Those illustrations are everything

[@ruepaul]

The picture behind you is so creepy- it be like: hippity hoppity the focus is now my property Also women pants be like: women about to steal this whole mans career Edit: OVER 300 LIKES? W O A H

[@justdustino1371]

I was at a Civil War reenactment and saw a woman portraying a Confederate nurse wearing a Bloomer-style uniform.

[@fynn2350]

That little snort after "Generally speaking: What men used to do at the time" [5:42] resurrected me when I didn't even know I was dead.

[@jacock]

I’m a simple man, if I see anything with the word “Victorian” or “REEEE”, I click

[@lucidtofu]

It's changed ):

[@jacock]

Pumpkin Cookies aww 😔

[@ruranrin2197]

Vanilla cookies or chocolate cookies, which do you take?

[@MortimerSeptimus]

"Smoking cigars, attending gentlemens' clubs, neglecting their children, beating their [spouses], drinking heavily..." Ah yes, #JustGuyThings

[@l.th0373]

might i add that i love the lacy gloves you're wearing under your bodice? thank you that is all

[@mildryfrr9970]

Hell, the WHOLE LOOK she's serving is my favorite out of anything she has worn, and it's criminal that no one is talking about it.

[@henarthuri7238]

I’m a man and don’t really watch fashion channels (probably because I fit the stereotype of American Hillbilly), but this channel actually interests me because I’m a history nerd and like seeing another view of history instead of just wars and political disputes. The memes are cool too. Subscribed.

[@wellthisisnice]

0:19 "I don't know whether call them trousers or pants, so I'm just gonna" **waves hands** "whatever comes to my mind." Big ESL Mood.

[@erraticonteuse]

Speaking as an American: when in doubt, go with "trousers". We know what it means, it's fine.

[@celesteluna6834]

I cant believe you're not a historian, girl I see you there.

[@elizabetha3936]

Amelia Bloomer, thanks for the pants. I wear them everyday and night.

[@pollyflores418]

Amelia Bloomer: I WORE THE TURKISH PANTS AND SKIRT *NOT CLICKBAIT* IS IT WORTH IT?!?!!?!!?!?

[@jaelk]

Victorian Safiya Nygaard: Styling the Turkish Pants for a Week

[@jollyjeangiant]

And can we just take a moment of screaming joy for the wonders of sweatpants, yoga pants, and pajama pants? ::swoon::

[@suem6004]

jollyjeangiant Yep. Classy

[@klillym1461]

Yet people will still attack it *sigh*

[@10Raccoon]

I freaking loved her argument at the end about Adam and Eve. That was such a burn

[@mjm3091]

Amelia Bloomer: how about wearing bloomers. Kimora Blac: Ew, that sounds gross.

[@cdsmedley]

We called any shorts under cheerleading skirts or skirts in general “bloomers” so there’s that. Now I know why. Thanks!

[@shoepixie]

Loved the video, but was quite dismayed at the lack of appreciation for Elizabeth Miller, who only got mentioned in passing, and who Amelia herself thought deserved much more credit and attention! That said, it's a lovely bit of history and I'm glad to have any info at all out there about Elizabeth and Amelia both, and of course the Lily as well. :)

[@Mari741s]

I think it's interesting to think that in those times, it was *out of the question* that women could wear pants in the everyday. Today.. Women can wear (almost) everything, but men who wants to wear more feminine, kind of isn't allowed to. That today men are more resistricted when it comes to cloth, compared to women

[@hannahmichaud1616]

Mari741s mens modern clothing is very plain, I read an article in The Atlantic about how our(The US) modern fashion is influenced by the great depression. We still don’t like to dress fancy or creatively, but women definitely have more leeway!

[@mandypandy111ify]

That's very true and it's sad.

[@attoooh]

Not that men were free to wear skirts daily back in the day... they are just bitter bcs women fought to be free to wear whatever they wanted and they didn't so they are kinda stuck with the norm. Except some cultural clothes like kilt

[@seresimarta4436]

I think because male is still considered as superior and female as inferior. Trying to dress "upwards" is more understood and less stigmatised than dressing "downwards" and humiliating yourself by imitating those who are "inferior".

[@froggdoggs8551]

You know you’ve got problems when someone starts to behave like you and you get afraid

[@mjm3091]

1:23 Ok, Bloomer.

[@nicholehartman732]

Another name for the bloomer dress is the freedom dress. The Silybl is a newspaper that came after The Lily with the same idea. There’s a good newspaper article from the San Francisco in 1860s about their negative views on the dress written by an average woman to the paper.

[@HadridarMatramen]

As a Norwegian, I died a little inside when I saw "Music: Hall of the Mountain King by Kevin MacLeod". It was written by Edvard Grieg. (though idk if this performance was conducted by this MacLeod fellow) Also, bloomers are AWESOME trousers!!!

[@Jegsynesdetteerjalla]

Det er en skandale

[@dearlily325]

I remember reading a book about this in 2nd or 3rd grade and it was probably the first time I saw the tight lacing corset trope

[@BocolatePlays]

I saw someone on tumblr encouraging people to follow you, you're famous meme ma

[@vidincrisis]

this bloomer and dress outfit looks soo much like indian salwar suits, anarkali and patiala suits! super chic!

[@clairemckinley691]

Thanks for changing the title, Karolina, absolute legend!

[@diamond5156]

The title is SENDING ME!

[@AbigailPoirier]

Yeah, so if you go back far enough (to Pythagoras' time), it was women who wore pants. Men didn't. Pythagoras started wearing them because they were practical (obviously) and somewhere over the centuries, the roles reversed. The priest was correct: the Bible does say "The woman shall not wear that which pertaineth unto a man, neither shall a man put on a woman's garment: for all that do so are abomination unto the Lord thy God." But Amelia Bloomer was also correct- it never says exactly what men's and women's clothing are. And she wasn't stealing clothes out of her husband's closet, what she wore was made for her. I'm glad to live in an era when it's acceptable to wear whatever one chooses. Though I do sometimes wish others would choose more...becoming things to wear. I'm looking at you, people of Walmart.

[@sholbk]

I don’t care much about fashion, I love your sassy attitude and your videos make me smile.

[@tto9706]

5:08 they look like an older version of salwar kameez tbh.

[@divyak9980]

Was looking through the comments for someone to point that out! Those are salwaars! Also makes sense them being "Turkish pants" and the Turks bringing them to the Indian subcontinent. Interesting how the dress ended up looking like a kameez. There are definitely some kurtas you'll find in this exact style even now. The panel with those 4 dresses , dress two looks very Eastern. While the fourth one is like a kurta pajama.

[@MissMisnomer_]

You know shit's going to go down when you hear In the Hall of the Mountain King creeping in the background louder and louder

[@fawnwolf]

IM FRIGHTENED i literally just googled earlier this morning "what was the general public's reaction to women starting to wear pants" you read my damn mind 🥺🥺🥺

[@adriennk9444]

It's not her, it's Google who read your mind 😏

[@ruthycranford8742]

The bloomer outfit was also used by pioneers like Julia Archibald Holmes, the first woman (on record) to climb Pikes Peak in the Colorado Rockies in 1858. I've been doing a Bloomer Girl Hike up Pikes every year for the past few years in full bloomer costume, and it's so fun to talk about the history of women's battle for their rights. We've come so far, and we can still go so far!

[@asparklylife3965]

Wearing yoga pants as I watch this. Thanks, Amelia!

[@shalinitiwariscorner5210]

In Northern Indian subcontinent, salwar and kurta were primary outfit for both women and men. It was & still is one of the most practical, comfortable and utilitarian outfits every created.

[@francesthepossum1812]

7:07 so what you’re saying is that it was quirky and not like other girls

[@CosmoExplosion]

its really cool that the Bloomerism costume really resembles the "shalwar kamees" worn by women in South Asian countries like Pakistan or the balak and koynak worn by women in Central Asia for centuries

[@Mom_spagetti99]

I just finished reading David Morrel's "Death as a Fine Art" fee minutes ago and there is a female caracter, who dresses as a "bloomer". And author shows how inappropriate her dress and underpants looks to other people. And then I see this vid in my recommendations...and I ooop

[@svire3370]

When the meme "Yo I've heard those Bloomer things are fire" hit, I had an aha moment in which I screamed "BLOOMERS! That's why we call them BLOOMERS!" outloud. Not being a native english speaker and not knowing anything about the history of bloomers this was like a Sherlock type of revelation, I havent felt so satisfied in weeks. 😄 Thanks, Karolina!

[@zombiesabrr]

WHAT about the womans movement in argentina?! when they started wearing enormous wooden combs. images.clarin.com/2017/07/06/HkMBxvhVZ_1200x0.jpg in the 1830 i think it was.

[@healinggrounds19]

Wait..what? Tell me more about this!!

[@noem.7430]

lol im from argentina and i didn´t know

[@nathaliej3768]

SABRINAKID helllllll yeah

[@PabloEmanuel96]

@@noem.7430 same

[@AllTheCloudsArePink]

Wow !!! Thanks for the info ?!

[@Emilaria]

Your article summaries have me all 😂

[@one_smol_duck]

So. What I'm hearing you say. Is that Bloomers were the 1851 RompHim?

[@ceciliavaldes3159]

In the place I’m from, people call panties “bloomers” so, yup, she is still alive in our collective conscience through a helpful garment. Very interesting points of view in your video. I love your presentation style!

[@purplealice]

And to this day women's clothes are made out of flimsier material than men's, and women's clothes rarely have functional pockets. And serious work clothes (like what men wear while doing construction work, heavy farming, working on an oil rig or being a mechanic) aren't made in women's sizes, and the men's garments don't *fit*.

[@ThisIsATireFire]

I was actually excited when my feet grew when I was pregnant. I now wear an 8 1/2 in US women's which translates to a 7 1/2 in men's and leaves me with just enough room for an arch support insert. When you're desperate you learn to make safety gear fit. But it totally blows that we have to do that.

[@purplealice]

@@ThisIsATireFire If you look at Carhaart, or Duluth Trading, at their "womens sizes" work clothes, it all looks like work clothes designed for a Barbie Doll who needs to hang out with the guys.

[@ThisIsATireFire]

@@purplealice YES!!! I do not wear a long corset to weld or pull weeds, the waist, chest, and arms are WAY too small. And the fabric is thinner. WHY?!?! Sparks and rose thorns are hard on fabric. I'm not paying $50+ US for a button up shirt that I can't wear 3 times, much less once comfortably.

[@purplealice]

@@ThisIsATireFire My example is a late friend of mine who had to wear steel-toed shoes for her job as an OSHA inspector, but she wore a woman's size 6 shoes, and there is no real equivalent in men's sizes, so she just bought the sturdiest leather shoes she could find. Last winter my husband and I needed to buy snow boots, and he went to the "Army-Navy" store. The person who was helping him with the boots asked me what my women's shoe size was, and I told him "8 1/2", and he handed me a pair of boots and said they'd probably fit me. They were a men's 6, and they fit just fine. (They have some pretty large size men's shirts, and if I had the time to bother trying them on, I might be able to find one that would fit me, as long as it didn't have MAGA embroidered over the pocket.)

[@bxie5597]

I listen to your videos when I get migraines... Your videos take my mind off of them.

[@notafloor]

actually wearing Nike joggers very similar to Bloomers, thanks for asking mom

[@slashslashspacex]

thank you for changing the title

[@WouldntULikeToKnow.]

I'm wearing sweatpants. I feel like I might be disappointing Amelia Bloomer 😆

[@healinggrounds19]

Nah. She would have loved them!

[@ldgh2288]

I have never wanted to wear an outfit more.

[@itsoldsoulagain]

YESSSS! finally early! love the video karolina!

[@figo3554]

The article writing was the precursor to a friendly internet argument.

[@adanactnomew7085]

Okay but why is it socially unacceptable for men to wear dresses.

[@allysonabarca4137]

Adanac Tnomew Because dresses are seen as a feminine woman thing. Women where seen as less than men so a man would be “lowering” himself by doing/wearing things “for” women.

[@laurahubbard6906]

Check out Billy Porter.

[@TEO.187]

Because it's taken longer for us to start campaigning for it I guess? I don't personally like to wear them bc they make me feel exposed but my brother wears skirts/kilts to fancy occasions and he looks nice

[@adanactnomew7085]

@@allysonabarca4137 Yeah exactly, its just a piece of cloth

[@adanactnomew7085]

@@TEO.187 I mean in my eyes men don't look good in dresses but that probably comes down to conditioning. Many cultures have a sarong however which is pretty close to a skirt.

[@InnateNobility]

Catherine de Medici wore something similar to bloomers in the 16th century, circa 1530's and when she was thrown off her horse during the chase in a hunt for the stag, she surprised the entire French court. The King was hoping to glimpse up her skirts to see something and he found that she had a "strange" undergarment on. She said it was practical.

[@squeerrel-j]

That look reminds me of Gentleman Jack

[@dgetzin]

Bloomers went viral.

[@AdrienneFrailey]

Someone accidentally disliked this video.

[@Marcel_Audubon]

that style of pants is still called bloomers in the US. I think George Sand was regularly wearing mens trousers about the same time ... but maybe that was more of a full drag look than women's wear? still, sort of revolutionary

[@lesahanners5057]

I loved this! Women's underpants were called, "Bloomers", for generations afterwards. Shoot, my grandma was still calling her undies bloomers in the 1970's - 80's. This was so much fun! One interesting note: In a certain religion, that I was raised in, (but shall remain nameless), there was a prophetess who had a vision from God at that time, in which she was told He approved of the new women's apparel. However, when the Church leaders, (all of whom were men), disapproved of the "New Apparel", she suddenly had another vision from God, (correcting her first vision), saying God did not approve of the new apparel after all! It is also interesting to note, that the woman was under the care of Dr. Kellogg at the time, and taking laudanum. This same Dr. Kellogg, was the inventor and maker of Kellogg's Corn Flakes and other fine cereals. : - )

[@theodorepinnock1517]

Hall of the Mountain King just casually winding up in the background.

[@foxorsmthng2883]

I saw that Chernobyl reference znshhs