The 1st On the Internet Galion Voyager MK2 S.E. Speakers Video review! Amp pairing and Pop Da Hood😭

[@ThomasAndStereo]

Thanks Tee-Jay for be the first to review these speakers. I put a lot of my time in voicing these speakers and this is my take on how B&W top end should be, just enough detailed to hear everything but not to the point it can lead to listening fatigue. Of course, the midrange is what these speakers are about. I am glad it was able to connect you emotionally to the music, after all this is what this hobby is about.

[@tee-jaythestereo-bargainph2120]

Thanks Thomas ' really appreciate you , I have a new love with this type of sound chacter . Speakers truely got me emotionally engaged made an Ole Gee tear up ! Can't wait until other people get these speakers ' Vocals melted me into !!

[@wegardfjeld3789]

I'll pop by and say the TS A75 is great. Maybe some exaggerations when some said it sounded closer to a tube. But it did end up replace my beloved class A 2*50 and that is great value for the money. Great job with it. I'm using my Eversolo d-amp 6 master with LPS to control it for now. Looking for a good matching pre 😉. Sooner or later I will pick up some speakers too. Currently leaning to TL for low end, but the top end improvement without going to far is interesting

[@tee-jaythestereo-bargainph2120]

Who said TS-A75 sounded like a tube amp ?? 🤣 I had 2 tube preamps hooked up to it and still didn't sound like tube amp !! Freya plus and Freya Noval ' sound was way to warm IMHO but Freya In Jfet-mode sounded much better all about Synergy

[@supergwizzo]

Omg the these speakers made me cry lmao same as thomas said at show video.. Ive rolled threw many lol 😅

[@tee-jaythestereo-bargainph2120]

Did he really ???

[@brandondempsey6833]

Bro that breakdown video is one of your best to date. Top level reviewer who uses no script or teleprompter. Everyone can hear that you speak from pure experience only that's what I like about your channel!!

[@tee-jaythestereo-bargainph2120]

Thanks Brandon I do have a few 1 takes 😆 Yeah I only rely on experience makes it pretty easy

[@orl2222]

Keep up the good work! We need to get these views up! The only reviewer that actually knows what he is talking about!

[@tee-jaythestereo-bargainph2120]

I appreciate that! And more to come Denon PMA 1700 intg up nexted !

[@superdougie10]

That's basically a High Quality Hybrid Generic Harbeth without the price. This speaker has a great amount of Harbeth flavored sound and far less the price.

[@tee-jaythestereo-bargainph2120]

I love them in my nearfield room I have video shorts Of them posted I am driving the shit out of them they 82db !!!

[@damayor62]

Outstanding as always Tee-Jay! I love your passion on your reviews no matter what equipment you're reviewing. Just when I thought I was sold on the Voyager TL's you throw these Voyager MK2 S.E.'s into the mix. Now I have some real decisions to make. Thank you and keep up the great work. Rock on sir!

[@tee-jaythestereo-bargainph2120]

Thanks ' Yeah 2 different speakers really depends on what you like I have T.L. also '

[@jonathandavis9507]

Nice review TJ! Great to see all the crossover components.

[@nellyt2807]

Like one's straight talking style that comes across with a little humour but with plenty of product information quite different to other reviewers but that makes one's uploads much more interesting to view cheers.

[@dungysphincter7974]

Tee-Jay: You are a class act! I really believe you are an honest, and passionate man on audio! You always produce quality videos. VERY INFORMATIVE! Thank you for all your reviews, and advice!

[@tee-jaythestereo-bargainph2120]

Thank you ' no script no teleprompter just sit down and talk experience in one or 2 takes ' Yeah these a a tear jerker for sure .

[@Kukkema]

He’s back! 💪🏼😊

[@tee-jaythestereo-bargainph2120]

Reaper new mic/camera 4k editing App its on !! 😮

[@scottbennett3119]

Superb review! You covered everything... I enjoyed you taking us inside the speakers, too. Thanks!

[@tee-jaythestereo-bargainph2120]

Your very welcome thanks for stopping in !!

[@charlesclifton1006]

Wow Tee-Jay !!! That was an excellent review of this speaker. I don't think anyone could complain about your sonic description. I, for one, am now very clear as to what this speaker would sound like in my (somewhat) smaller room. Yes, I think a good sub like a Rel would (possibly) compliment the bottom end but I'd "listen" as is for several weeks before deciding. Now, what really impressed me (most unexpectedly) was both the cabinet and cross-over (SE) construction. As far as the front baffle screws go? Love that look! Very Harbeth(eth) to me. A lot of thought and care went into this speaker. I have to think that considering the not quite "good enough" speakers available today (at this price).... this is a real bargain! Thanks for opening it up........ made a huge difference>

[@tee-jaythestereo-bargainph2120]

Thank you means alot to me !! Yeah this speakers Vocals hit me so hard I almost didn't do the review video because I got to engaged to the speaker so I did hold back a little bit ' I'd rather people get more than less 😃

[@suwatt6019]

Southern Twang hifi KZbinr tier list: 1) TJ 2) Erin Keep up the great work brother!

[@tee-jaythestereo-bargainph2120]

From them Kentucky Hills ' Get itttt ! 🤣

[@glen7589]

Great job Tee-Jay. I’ve had the Galion TS75 amplifier for about 2 weeks running it constantly with my Buchardt I150 as the preamp pushing my Buchardt S400’s…………Ohhhh baby, I’m hearing things I’ve never before. I love the look of these bamboo speakers. Thomas is really making a lot of companies look bad with his affordable products. Keep up the great reviews 👍🏼

[@tee-jaythestereo-bargainph2120]

Thanks and Congrats on the TS-A75 that amp drives all my speakers with authority ' also very good electronics inside the amp as well espically for price

[@wegardfjeld3789]

I was thinking about doing the same with my A75, I150 and Mk2's. But the latter is in my weekend house 😂😂😂. So what your saying is I need another A75 now 😂😂

[@superdougie10]

That's a real keeper for sure. Beautiful. I wish I had the income to collect speakers like I want too.

[@tee-jaythestereo-bargainph2120]

Just hang in there ' you can always upgrade threw the years took me 36 years of buying Sale trade ' I am getting old started at 14 years old ' been flipping audio for a long time if I saw a great deal on audio id buy clean fix up and re-sale companies use to have trade up I miss that !

[@matytinman]

A comparison with the Galion TL with the outlet completely plugged with foam would be interesting. I can see an electrolytic (WOOFER filter). I could have at least put a cheap small cap on bypass. My choice: CORNELL DUBILIER 940C Film Capacitor 3000V 0.01µF More cheap: DAYTON AUDIO DMPC-0.10 Polypropylene Capacitor 250V 0.1µF

[@markharris2798]

Love your passion for this hobby. You make it normal....

[@randharma]

Brah, hope you’re well. Bought my Audiolab amp after watching your review. Love it, keep on rockin in the free world

[@tee-jaythestereo-bargainph2120]

@randharma thanks 'Neil Young ' Keep on rockin the free world gotta love the lab ! My 6000a is like almost 6 years old Still going strong threw dozens of speakers ! DYNOAUDIO EMIT 50S IS SUCH A GOOD PAIRING 👍 like so many other speakers

[@gerlachsieders4578]

Excellent as always TJ! And I totally get it why you like these speakers, I think they are very similar to my Critons 1tdx by CSS Audio: a very rich, voice-natural midrange and a very smooth top. The only difference, the Critons are bass monsters, I love em to bits, so I totally get it. And heck yeah, Live at Knebworth rocks, it is fast becoming my favorite album by Pink Floyd (cd of course)! Keep it up and all the best TJ, Gerlach Sven.

[@robinkleinsteuber5217]

Thanks Tee-Jay for reviewing this speaker. I was incredibly curious about it. Yep, it's confirmed. I do really need to hear it. Thanks! 🙂👍🍺

[@enduro500sp]

Awesome review Tee-jay! Looking forward to your review of the Denon Pma-1700ne😀

[@tee-jaythestereo-bargainph2120]

@enduro500sp Denon review half way done ' work wearing me out ' been working on video for 3 weeks want it to be correct as I can be ' will be comparrsions vs 7000a vs schiit combo '

[@bruceandt]

ThomasAndStereo delivers quality! It’s always a step above in its capabilities. I like that Thomas has made the choice to oversee his builds with a hands on approach. You just NEVER find this in other larger manufacturers in this price range. In short. No matter what product you might choose to audition? Thomas has spent time on it. Transmission line speakers! Done and done correctly. Class A alone? Done… TS A 20. TS A 75… well built for the long haul.

[@GentielioGaming]

Nice, i have these on my list now but also the Fritz Carbon SE mk2. How would these compare?

[@nc3419]

Closer OGY holds interest for me including those you mentioned.

[@tee-jaythestereo-bargainph2120]

I never heard the Fritz '

[@davidwoodrow6634]

Great review , honest and informative 👍🏻

[@tee-jaythestereo-bargainph2120]

Thanks! 👍

[@bencausey]

Thank you for the detailed review. I’m waiting on mine to arrive soon.

[@tee-jaythestereo-bargainph2120]

@bencausey yeah I miss the Mk2 SE !! Had to send to Steve another reviewer he loved them also but I finally had a 1st video review 😃 vocals are so killer atleast a level above my ls50metas ' But Voyagers do love power !! I will also buy a set ' hoping more people try them and let me know how accurate my review is ' 😃 love feedback

[@BennyKsBandwidth]

I wonder if the MK2 sound much different from the MK1. I loved the MK1's based on my review lol Great review as always!

[@tee-jaythestereo-bargainph2120]

It's really a matter of taste ' but me I heard both and S.E. is way different very well behaved top end even though it's tilted up and midrange with rich tonal chacter ' they do like Power but once you feed them Wow! Brought tears to my eyes the realness of the vocals melted me

[@cremersalex]

It was like you knocked on a massive block of wood!

[@jedi-mic]

Take the egg foam from the sides out it's not needed sound better without it just place it on the back one piece and then put the stuffing back in. I don't know why they didn't put the Binding post highe up and it could have gone straight into the crossover you wouldn't need wires. Put some copper tape around the magnet and the front and back plate. What is the impedance of the tweeter driver? Ideally a 12 or 16 ohm would have been better if they make it. I think a port would be nice the w- driver are not meant to be in a seal unit. if you put the port at the bottom four inches across seven inches high give or take an inch should work very nicely get your circular cutter TJ. You can sort out the chaffing in KEF, get some really stiff card 3 mm thick, about 40mm in depth, In the vertical plane slide it into the port you want it a snug fit no gaps, push it in about 30mm secure all sides of the cardboard with a bit of electrical tape to the port that will sort out your chaffing

[@thecat6062]

You should start making speakers...

[@sweetsansui2829]

Love your hillbilly review style, Tee-Jay. I have the mk1 and still loving it. Really dig that Harbeth look. Hope to upgrade to mk2 someday. Thank you and keep up the great work.

[@tee-jaythestereo-bargainph2120]

Thanks for the comment the Regular version sounds good also espi ally with an amp with slight top end roll off or spft top end

[@tee-jaythestereo-bargainph2120]

Need to hook up my Master Restored and resto modded Sansui au717 by Prime hifi ' lots of tone controls on that amp as well as filters '

[@roguelitedev]

Always enjoy your videos. Keep it up sir!

[@tee-jaythestereo-bargainph2120]

@roguelitedev Thank you ! Denon PMA 1700 video will be posted this week Vs Audiolab7000a '

[@marystravelblogmaryhoward7922]

Love your thumbnail, great art work Tee-jay

[@tee-jaythestereo-bargainph2120]

I'd love w to take the cred ' but had someone else make thumbnail 😆 but been working on editing with 4k website clipchamp

[@leodesforges161]

Could you describe the sound differences between the two crossovers? Thank you sir.

[@tee-jaythestereo-bargainph2120]

Here is the truth str8 up I didn't mention in video Standard xover vs S.E. because I didn't want to upset anyone that likes or owns the Standard edtion ' I didn't personally like the standard edtion ' (subjective) once I used S.E. crossover I was blown away with in 20 seconds of listing the overall resolution to me was atleast 5x better ' top end gained levels of maturity ' didn't sound as Veil or as hard or grainy but still very airy with plenty of sparkle ' midbody sounded more smooth, bass was much cleaner and more articulate Upgraded crossover Made me tear up I almost didn't review because I got emotionally attached to the S.E. I wasn't use to hearing a midrange with this level of focus and realness. Vocals sound so life like it broke me into ! And now I get why so many people love this type of sound "

[@leodesforges161]

@@tee-jaythestereo-bargainph2120 awesome! And yes: it sounds like I would also love the crossover as well. I don’t personally care for the laid back sound of the Vanguard either. Too much missing treble information. I really wanted to like them more. It seems that the new x over is not gonna be available, so that’s too bad.

[@leodesforges161]

@@tee-jaythestereo-bargainph2120 and for reference, my current primo speakers are philharmonic BMR monitors. Which I love. I actually sold the Polk 703s to help finance the Philharmonics. I really liked the 703 as well.

[@tee-jaythestereo-bargainph2120]

@leodesforges161 OMG man ' upgraded crossover resolution is on another level ' had to send speakers to another reviewer and I miss them !!

[@soundman2604]

You are a one funny dude, thanks for your honest experiences, I really enjoy your show.

[@tee-jaythestereo-bargainph2120]

Thanks you

[@kdomster9141]

Great review. These speakers use Dayton Parts Express drivers worth under 200 usd for a pair , if they did offer a knock down cabinet with 40usd worth of crossover parts these could be buildable for around 450usd !

[@alexkane84]

Then build it man

[@kdomster9141]

@@alexkane84 So what ?

[@wegardfjeld3789]

Sounds like an amazing project. Could adjust things to your own liking as well. I wish I had a work place at home to embark on it.

[@superspeeder]

Hey TJ, great review! Can you report whether the standard crossover iron-core inductor has a solid core or a laminated core? Thanks!!!

[@leodesforges161]

Thanks Tee-Jay I'm a bit confused by your description of this speaker as having a U-shaped response profile. Especially because you then went on to describe it as midrange forward. Those two things seem to contradict one another... I bought these about two years ago when they were the XSA Vanguard. They are sealed 5 1/4" woofer in a small cabinet and have limited bass response. Their treble is also quite recessed, which lends to their "smooth and non-fatiguing" sound. Their midrange is definitely where they shine. With a small sub they are amazing Jazz and Vocalist speakers. Their overall reserved nature makes them less "exciting" and dynamic which limits their ability to be highly engaging with bigger and more explosive dynamic music. I see them as a very chill, nicely sized and built $800 monitor for relaxed, all day listening. Their midrange forward nature really pushes voices out into the room and if vocalists are your favorite thing about music: I think you'd love these Voyagers.

[@tee-jaythestereo-bargainph2120]

@ 6:40 seconds I said the Yamaha amp has a forward midrange not the speakers ' go to that time stamp ' I am the one who changed out the upgraded crossover and this made a huge difference in sound performace ' I should have posted the Freq response '

[@leodesforges161]

@@tee-jaythestereo-bargainph2120 Ah, I missed that. How did you acquire an upgraded crossover?

[@ThomasAndStereo]

@@leodesforges161 The TS Voyager is the 100% exact same speaker as your Vanguard. (I bought the rights to it from XSA) It achieve smoothness by rolling off the top end. So it has what I call an "A curve" frequency response where the midrange is 'dominant'. You find this in single driver speakers and in this case, the Vanguard (Or TS Voyager) crosses over at 4khz so the main driver actually acts like a single driver while the tweeter is there just to give a bit of air and detail. The TS Voyager SE Mk2 uses a different crossover, where you have a U curve, the smoothness is achieved by creating a dip in the frequency around the 1khz to 4 khz zone where sibilance of the human voice is usually at. So the Mk2 SE does not get bright or harsh regardless of recording quality. The top end is tilted up to give that detail and air. Tee-Jay got this crossover because I sent it to him. The MK2 SE crossover was designed to be swap in exact fit to the TS Voyager speaker (Vanguard). The result is a completly different sound. In short, the TS Voyager / Vanguard achieve smoothness by rolling off the treble. The TS Voyager Mk2 SE achieve smoothness by 'dipping' the upper midrange. The advantage is you get smoothness but you retain detail and air. The disadvantage is the midrange is not as forward. (But still forward enough)

[@leodesforges161]

@@ThomasAndStereo that was extremely helpful and well appreciated Thomas. Will the mk2 crossover be available for purchase? Just curious. Not sure I have any interest in messing with my Vanguards/Starship Voyagers

[@ThomasAndStereo]

@@leodesforges161 Only for existing TS Voyager owners. The reason is because these are made in Canada and I only have made a handful of them because this is a passion project. Eventually I will have a MK2 make but not SE, MK2 will be totally made in China with more affordable components.

[@ChicagoRob2]

Tee-Jay is a straight shooter, while much of the competition are shills.

[@Acoustic_Theory]

Thomas chose some of the best drivers for the money that exist. I am familiar with both the woofer and the tweeter, and they are just the perfect choices for a beautiful sonic result. These speakers look like they will be lifelong 'keepers' in the same vein as LS 3/5A, Harbeth P3, and the other BBC-style small monitors from Spendor, Rogers, Falcon, etc., because you form an emotional connection with the way they sound, even while you upgrade and try other things.

[@tee-jaythestereo-bargainph2120]

Yeah these speakers are the 1st to ever make me tear up ! Midrange got me !

[@ProfessorJohnSmith]

Why havent you got a video on the LS50 metas

[@tee-jaythestereo-bargainph2120]

Like 10k reviews lol Think I should ? I have had over a dozen Amps hooked to them

[@steveh545]

Excellent review!

[@tee-jaythestereo-bargainph2120]

Thank you '

[@jalford383]

I got the non SE version of these, and I love them, they are Bright, they can be nice in the right set up. Like dude said , they need a strong amp, they are closed back 8 Ohm !

[@tee-jaythestereo-bargainph2120]

Find you an amp with top end roll off ' or very smooth '

[@larrygaines7462]

Good observations I designed many systems by listening, a subwoofer will be a wow in your room

[@tee-jaythestereo-bargainph2120]

Yeah sub will give more depth to soundstage also '

[@budgetaudiophilelife-long5461]

🙋‍♂️ TJ 🤗 I HAD AS MUCH FUN WATCHING THIS WHOLE REVIEW AND THE SEEING “ POPING THE HOOD “👍🥶 THOMAS HAS BEEN WORKING VERY HARD 😅 TO GET THIS RIGHT …AND YOU HAVE SHOWN WHY IT IS A GREAT SPEAKER…THE BEST TIME TO BE AN AUDIOPHILE 🤗💚💚💚

[@tee-jaythestereo-bargainph2120]

Thanks for the comment ' appreciate ya!!

[@budgetaudiophilelife-long5461]

@@tee-jaythestereo-bargainph2120 WE APPRECIATE YOU TOO 🤗👍

[@ErikEmstad]

Vanessa Fernandez, not Rodriquez. I got there eventually! Great track.

[@tee-jaythestereo-bargainph2120]

Yeah I posted ' text in video i messed up and I talked about it before pop da Hood? But I got it right twice guess I had Michelle Rodriquez on my mind 😆

[@jlyutiup]

Are these speakers sold out or made with limited quantity?

[@78sound]

The screws up front are a hack of fine British speakers

[@tee-jaythestereo-bargainph2120]

Solid cabneit also ' and reminds me of harbeth

[@RennieAsh]

0:47 but amplifiers did this years before speakers :)

[@TriAmpMyFi]

Betcha' Charlie Daniels' violin would sound pretty good then. 👍 Acid Jazz, Funk & Brass 🔈🔉🔊

[@tee-jaythestereo-bargainph2120]

I have the CD !!! Love it ! You the one got me listing to Acid Jazz !!!

[@Starch1b2c3d4a]

I think that speaker spent some time at the shooting range 😂. Whats up with all those holes?

[@tee-jaythestereo-bargainph2120]

What holes? I do goto range alot 😆 '

[@tee-jaythestereo-bargainph2120]

For the speaker grill I mentioned in video some pep won't like all the holes I always talk Pros/Coveotes

[@LostVillageIdiot]

3:32 that would be Vanessa Fernandez.

[@Trebor-u4q]

Will these be available in the UK?

[@ThomasAndStereo]

Yes, I will ship it world wide.

[@Trebor-u4q]

@@ThomasAndStereo Thanks Thomas. How do you think these compare to the Triangle Titus EZ? I have put these up against many bookshelf speakers at around £1k here in my system at home and it beats all of them for detail, refinement and all round quality at this price. Those beaten speakers include: Kef ls50 meta, SF Lumina 2, Wharfedale Denton 85, Acoustic Energy AE500 and Dynaudio Emit 20.

[@Trebor-u4q]

Oh and btw I wouldn't even consider a standard budget B&W speaker such as they are voiced like the 606 or 706 s2. Just too harsh on top.

[@ThomasAndStereo]

@@Trebor-u4q If what you are looking for to compare is detail, refinement and all around quality at this price, then this is not the right speaker for you. If you look at the list of speakers you listed, it is all what I call 'normal' speaker that does well in everything. The essence of this speaker is midrange engagement and that is why you have a different class of speakers like Harbeth P3ESR, BBC LS3/5A and so forth. None of those speakers you mentioned was able to make Tee-Jay tear up, and there is a reason for it. I told my audio buddy the other day while listening to the B&W 607, amazing speaker, but you listen for effects, while the TS Voyager SE, you listen for emotions.

[@ThomasAndStereo]

@@Trebor-u4q 50% of the people love the B&W 607 while 50% find it too bright. That is why I voiced the TS Voyager to be 15% less bright than the 607.

[@dilbyjones]

TJ ! Hey hey!

[@tee-jaythestereo-bargainph2120]

I said hey hey hey what's going on !

[@nc3419]

Canadian BBC type speaker?

[@tee-jaythestereo-bargainph2120]

Bass/mids inspired by BBC ls35a top end inspired by B&W

[@nc3419]

@@tee-jaythestereo-bargainph2120 Seems like a Harbeth P3ESR XD at 60% off.

[@67spankadelik]

I think you meant Vanessa Fernandez

[@onionknight9431]

You gotta do something to the lighting of your videos man.

[@ralex3697]

Looks like Harbeth

[@cpaint69]

If this is an upgrade, not sure why the woofer circuit capacitor is changed to an electrolytic capacitor, especially when the value is not big. That's actually a downgrade.

[@ThomasAndStereo]

I actually tried very expensive to very cheap capacitors, it did not make any big differene when choosing the capacitor for the woofer. I blind test people and I approached this with money no object approach when designing the crossover. If it made even 5% difference, I would use the better parts. That is why, instead of using the cheaper green resistors, I use the black resistors that I think cost 3x more. I even tried $100 capacitors in this speaker. I will explain all this when I make the video. In short, I chose everything based on sound and not based on price.

[@cpaint69]

@@ThomasAndStereo Thanks for the explanation. From my experience playing with different woofers in my DIY speakers, changing an electrolytic capacitor to a better capacitor like Jantzen Superior Z-Cap or Miflex KPCU or KPAL, most of the time there will be a significant improvement. The only time I cannot hear much improvement is when the woofer is not as well engineered enough to resolve the extra details from the upgrade.

[@ThomasAndStereo]

@@cpaint69 I have like maybe a hundred plus capacitors at my place and I truly gave it a chance. Another problem is that i remember was a very high value I think so using a good capacitor was just too big. I did use a solen black capacitor with no improvement.

[@cpaint69]

@@ThomasAndStereo I believe you must have tried many different capacitor in your testing stage and I also agree a good capacitor is significantly bigger than as electrolytic capacitor of the same value. I am just sharing if an electrolytic capacitor in the woofer circuit is replaced by a Jantzen Superior Z-Cap or Miflex KPAL capacitor and not much improvement is heard, then chances is the woofer is not good enough to resolve the improvement from the capacitor upgrade. Btw the solen black capacitor is a pretty entry level capacitor that I will use only when the capacitor value hits more than 50uF.

[@ThomasAndStereo]

​@cpaint69 yes, I never used Solen black caps in my design, This was a 33uf value, a white solen cap would be too big.

[@matthewtaylor7355]

These look like China Hi Fi bookshelf type speakers

[@tee-jaythestereo-bargainph2120]

If that means top level build quality for price I concur 👌

[@ryanschipp8513]

Her name is Vanessa Fernandez not Vanessa Rodriguez

[@tee-jaythestereo-bargainph2120]

I apologized in the video ' and posted messages in video correcting the mistake

[@noahman27]

I can no longer afford to this to this channel. :)

[@scottyo64]

I can't trust reviews of friends of Thomas. I love Thomas but come on. All his friends are reviewing his stuff

[@tee-jaythestereo-bargainph2120]

I know where your coming from and can't much blame ya ' But if you knew the whole story behind the scenes you'd know I am 💯 sincere ' the difference I heard from standard to S.E. blew me away sent my pair the Steve Huff ' he was blown away also at the price point ' but I recommended a small nearfield room ! I also said half the audiophiles would prefer Kef Ls50 metas ' side by side comparrsion !