The 2 types of Replay Value in Gaming

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Chad of Astora

Chad of Astora

Күн бұрын

Doing something a little different this time. I've seen a bit too much heated discussion around replay value lately, so I figured I'd just give my take on the subject.
00:00 Intro
02:05 Artificial
08:42 Natural
14:16 Final thoughts

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@maxharris8082
@maxharris8082 27 күн бұрын
Not kidding, I am on my 10th consecutive playthrough of Sekiro right now. I started playing it in late March and I don’t think I’ve gone a full week without playing it
@ravaen87
@ravaen87 25 күн бұрын
Heh, I platinumed it back in 2019 and returned to it last month. It’s so fucking good.
@markgantar7387
@markgantar7387 25 күн бұрын
Same I’ve had to start deleting saves lol
@zaidlacksalastname4905
@zaidlacksalastname4905 25 күн бұрын
Consecutive? Goddamn
@zaidlacksalastname4905
@zaidlacksalastname4905 25 күн бұрын
​@@markgantar7387💀💀💀
@j0nnyism
@j0nnyism 24 күн бұрын
Yep I returned it after finishing it. Regretted it a bought the game again. It’s expensive for a four year old ps4 game and that’s because it’s just so good. Best action game of the last ten years imo
@garrytalaroc
@garrytalaroc 27 күн бұрын
I played Sekiro 10 or more times than I count. And I never even tried finding a reason why. It's just so damn good, and I wanna play it again.
@j0nnyism
@j0nnyism 24 күн бұрын
There’s something about the gameplay which had me coming back again and again. Any other game that hard and I’d have probably quit it early on before I got good but it’s just so addictive best action game ever.
@OPAvenging
@OPAvenging 23 күн бұрын
Sekiro is just that good
@petsbud2160
@petsbud2160 21 күн бұрын
This is the way. When it clicks, just let it happen. Part of the fun is not mapping and figuring it out completely
@Gage-bk7cn
@Gage-bk7cn 15 күн бұрын
Played dmc3 for 2 years straight eventually i got to the point i modded the turbo system to go even faster the muscle memory is still binded to my flesh
@drdankenstein2264
@drdankenstein2264 29 күн бұрын
I love when singleplayer games allow you to progress main stories with your friends. Dying Light is in my opinion the perfect example. I've played the story couple of times and then my friends bought the game so we could play together. My God, was it fucking fun. Killing zombies with bros is ten times more fun. Probably the best time I've had in my gaming life
@notsubaru4464
@notsubaru4464 26 күн бұрын
If only I had steam friend
@EXQUIS1T3
@EXQUIS1T3 23 күн бұрын
It was given out on epic for free
@sohamdorle3831
@sohamdorle3831 29 күн бұрын
This is a really interesting perspective! I personally love going back to games that have great gameplay and replaying bosses (sekiro, hollow knight etc.)
@Spider10v
@Spider10v 28 күн бұрын
OG Re4 has to be one of the most replayed games I have ever seen
@allandm
@allandm 25 күн бұрын
Best thing about these games is that they let you replay the bosses without going through the story again
@zaidlacksalastname4905
@zaidlacksalastname4905 25 күн бұрын
Hollow Knight and Sekiro aren't the greatest game of all time but they are PERFECT
@iancampbell4225
@iancampbell4225 13 күн бұрын
That’s something I like that OOT did it has a feature that just straight up lets you re fight a boss
@Spider10v
@Spider10v 12 күн бұрын
@@iancampbell4225 OOT?
@1wayroad935
@1wayroad935 27 күн бұрын
The thing that made me fall in love with Skyrim all those years ago is when I had to go to a place on the map and getting side tracked so much that I ended up farther away from my objective than I originally started. Just pick a direction and see what nonsense you get caught up in.
@gamingodyssey4328
@gamingodyssey4328 24 күн бұрын
i started playing skyrim a couple of days ago and have been doing companion quests for hours , still have to speak to the leader of whiterun (i forgot his name) 😂
@PBart7
@PBart7 23 күн бұрын
That's partly why I love Elden Ring so much. I haven't felt that sense of wonder and immersion since Skyrim
@Icouldntcomeupwithaname1212
@Icouldntcomeupwithaname1212 16 күн бұрын
​@@gamingodyssey4328jarl ballin
@radicalcentrist4990
@radicalcentrist4990 28 күн бұрын
When I was younger, I preferred big open games with a lot of stuff to do that would last as much as possible. That was my idea of a replayable game. But nowadays I'd much rather have a linear and focused experience with a fun gameplay loop. Doesn't matter if it's short or long, as long as I don't see anymore maps full of icons for the hundreds of side activities, missions and collectibles which aren't even worth doing most of the time, but it also just feels like you're missing a lot by not doing them.
@zaidlacksalastname4905
@zaidlacksalastname4905 25 күн бұрын
Doom Eternal
@sawdust8691
@sawdust8691 25 күн бұрын
One of my recent favorites for "replay value" is Armored Core 6. It has both sides. The story and endings change and evolve up to 3 play throughs. And the gameplay is fun. AND a playthrough is only around 13 hours or so to complete. It's so perfect I may cry. I am currently on the third and final playthrough for the last story content. For me, the larger the game, the less replayable it is. After I spend 100 hours exploring some big open world game and enjoy it, the LAST thing I want to do is replay it. It takes many years for the thought of replaying most big games even crosses my mind. I much prefer shorter more focused games for replay far more often. I get burned out on larger games even if I love them. Thry are more a 1 time experience I don't feel like replaying due to its massive commitment and too much lesser content to wade through
@j0nnyism
@j0nnyism 24 күн бұрын
Yea when I repurchased sekiro the guy in the shop reccomended it I might pick it up
@hare75
@hare75 22 күн бұрын
Armored core last raven blows AC6 out of the water when it comes to replay value, multiple endings, weapons and parts variety
@caboose3191
@caboose3191 13 күн бұрын
I wish fromsoft would rerelease each generation as a $40-50​ bundle with private match multiplayer for the title that had it@@hare75
@FabioGabrielY
@FabioGabrielY 29 күн бұрын
There is one feeling I have every time I finish a Souls game, which is: 'damn, wish I could experience it again with the same challenge from the first playthrough'. Sekiro was the ONLY one that almost fulfilled that wish, thanks to the Kuro's charm you really need to master the game, and that brought the learning experience back, almost like if I was playing the game for the first time. There is a lot of people who says Sekiro has no replay value, and I understand where they are coming from, but no Souls game brought me this feeling like it, changing your build only makes you experience the same game with a different character and using Kuro's charm makes you experience a different game with the same character. Would be cool if Elden Ring had one item that forced you to broke the enemies posture in order to do more substantial damage for example, just like the Crystalians fights normally go, but without their enormous hyper armor.
@j0nnyism
@j0nnyism 24 күн бұрын
Yea there’s something so satisfying about pulling off the perfect battle with all ur timings perfect it’s just incredible I don’t know if I’ll ever experience something that good again
@tigersboy5411
@tigersboy5411 20 күн бұрын
I played Fallout New Vegas for the first time in December, and over the course of the month replayed the entire game like 3-4 times because I was on a school break. It was amazing, because in my mind it kind of fits both of the types you put in the video. It has a lot of stuff to offer and it's a lot of fun while doing it.
@chadofastora
@chadofastora 20 күн бұрын
I know I’ve gotta give that game a try at some point
@high.level.noob.
@high.level.noob. 27 күн бұрын
Speedrunning is my #1 reason to replay a game. I am not good at it but it is still fun as hell.
@zaiz6018
@zaiz6018 22 күн бұрын
I recently dived into Elden Ring (my first souls-like) with little knowledge about the game. I was thinking it would be an interesting experience to try for a bit. Now I am considering a NG+ or even a NG+2.
@NamelessKing1597
@NamelessKing1597 22 күн бұрын
The thing that brings me back to skyrim is the music.
@chadofastora
@chadofastora 22 күн бұрын
It’s really memorable and soothing
@RobloxSugarFanta
@RobloxSugarFanta 25 күн бұрын
i can't help but keep replaying Cyberpunk 2077 over and over again, sure it has a ton of content but even besides that i just can't get enough of the world, the music, the gameplay and my hands being robotic... seriously i just really like seeing story cutscenes with me having those gorilla arms because they look so cool
@carvedheart43
@carvedheart43 29 күн бұрын
This is a great thing to see. Idk if it’s my own fault or KZbin having a crappy algorithm but my homepage is always littered with a bunch of substance-less crap. Seeing a video of yours pop up in the midst of all of that is a welcome sight.
@poutineausyropderable7108
@poutineausyropderable7108 29 күн бұрын
That Skyrim > Sekiro (replayability) is absolutely infuriating even if Ik it's just an example. Skyrim has the advantage of 13 years and a shit tons of rerelease. Skyrim replays are more of a How many mod can I put this time.
@YEY0806
@YEY0806 29 күн бұрын
Skyrim challenge runs are basically, "how many modes can I install before my computer transforms into the Hiroshima Bomb"
@Apollo_91
@Apollo_91 17 күн бұрын
I think that's a bit disingenuous of a take for Skyrim, while the mods do an important part in replaying it, the reason people always come back is the experience and roleplay factors. (after all the meme is you don't quit Skyrim you just take long breaks) As for Skyrim re releasing, nothing really was changed outside graphical updates, slight overhauls, bug fixes and the eventual open support/monetization of modding. So nothing there helped Skyrim to have an "advantage against sekiro" why it has an advantage over sekiro is because skyrim appeals to the casual gamer. Now onto the Soulsborne genre, the games imo are extremely replayable for the style of approaching fights and the feel of combat. Once you get tired of one, you can hop to another and so on and so forth until to your back where u started(I did this for a while after nioh 2 came out). Both games have different types of replayability and as individuals we have an inherent bias for which one we prefer. Skyrim funnily enough showcases this bias in full frontal because there's a subset of the community that wants to see dark souls combat in Skyrim, but there's also a subset who only really just enhances the graphics and audio to become more immersed in Skyrim by itself. (Modlists proving this notion with people asking "any modlists for Skyrim that don't have DS combat" I do wanna add that I feel the comparison is dumb and before anyone asks me about the replayability factor, I ask them what their personal taste is just to avoid the Skyrim vs x game debate.)
@excellent_potato
@excellent_potato 29 күн бұрын
I have seen this being thrown around countless times. Especially when it comes to the comparision between Sekiro and Elden Ring. Personally, I prefer linear games more than open-world ones. There's just this satisfaction you get once you finish the game again after your first playthrough. It happened to me with Sekiro, and with Lies of P. I never got bored of them, and I doubt I ever will. It all just boils down to what you find fun.
@Verchiel_
@Verchiel_ 10 күн бұрын
I like a bit of both. I fully embrace some things like linear shooters, be it half life or titanfall 2 or hell, even some cod campaigns. They're good dumb fun of pointing and clicking on people. But it's the same way i enjoy many open world games, even ones that strike every red flag of them. Be it breath of the wild, gta, skyrim, or even most of the far cry games, it's sometimes just fun exploring the world and doing everything you come across even if it might just be meaningless collectibles or entirely optional combat encounters.
@trashaimgamer7822
@trashaimgamer7822 3 күн бұрын
I personally prefer "It's fun" over content bloat. But I also need to clarify that simply being immersed in a world is fun to me.
@Neros_light
@Neros_light 26 күн бұрын
13:39 I was worried you wouldn't mention Devil May Cry but I'm so glad you did. In my opinion, it has some of the best replay value due to the skill ceiling and the way it naturally makes you wanna play it more
@ernestdrake1433
@ernestdrake1433 28 күн бұрын
Another fantastic video Chad! Definitely rewatchable!
@marine47ncaa25
@marine47ncaa25 26 күн бұрын
I think about this a lot going back and forth between Elden Ring & Sekiro. Then there’s DS3 which has both ;) great video bro
@kukukachu
@kukukachu 26 күн бұрын
I was like, "Who's voice is that? Why does it sound so familar?"....Nile Red? Great video~!
@chadofastora
@chadofastora 26 күн бұрын
I think that makes 6 people who said I sound like Nile Red lmao. I personally don’t hear it, but ig that’s because it’s my voice
@wanderdota
@wanderdota 24 күн бұрын
He sounds like Kalvish the World of Warcraft PVP streamer
@mateivlad4425
@mateivlad4425 16 күн бұрын
Right now I’m on a single player games journey since summer of 2022. I started replaying Black Flag and decided to go for AC Origins, AC Odyssey, Doom 2016, Doom Eternal, Starfield, Witcher 3, Star Wars Fallen Order, Tom Clancy Wildlands, Jurassic Park: The Game, Outlast, Skyrim, Scorn, God of War and now I’m at Dark Souls: Remastered. Before this journey I was a die hard Rainbow Six player, sinking over 2.300 hours for a stupid rank, getting angry constantly. Now, I enjoy great stories. And yes, I will replay some of these games! Singeplayer games made me love gaming again!
@chadofastora
@chadofastora 16 күн бұрын
I went through a similar thing when I was younger. Multiplayer is still cool, but nothing really beats singleplayer
@mateivlad4425
@mateivlad4425 16 күн бұрын
@@chadofastora indeed! I’m still playing a ton of War Thunder. But honestly games with stories are so much better.
@PureColumbianCocainum1949
@PureColumbianCocainum1949 8 күн бұрын
You should play Ghost of Tsushima now that it's on PC if you haven't.
@mateivlad4425
@mateivlad4425 8 күн бұрын
@@PureColumbianCocainum1949 I will play it for sure!
@mechamojureg2166
@mechamojureg2166 20 күн бұрын
If the aspect of a game that attracts me the most is the story, its usually this games that i give up replaying half way through them. I tend to have a good memory for most things and if i start playing a game, EVERYTHING that happens returns to my mind instantly and it can feel like im wasting my time since i remember everything. branching paths or different builds can really make me stay tho.
@hedition9346
@hedition9346 23 күн бұрын
There are very few games that have good replay value based solely on procedural generation. Most that come to mind has something else on top of procedural generation to make it replayable. Rimworld for example, has procedural generation. But it also has a very sandbox structure that makes replay fun. Same with Factorio. HD2 has procedural generation too, but its the gameplay itself that makes it fun. Procedural generation is a small multiplier for replayability and as with any multiplier, if you multiply by 0 you still get 0.
@chadofastora
@chadofastora 23 күн бұрын
Well said
@Szapi
@Szapi 22 күн бұрын
I will never forget coming home from work, doing a full playthrough of Sekiro till midnight, sleeping 5 hours and then going back to work (yes, my shifts were from 6AM to 2PM, not the standard in most places). I did this for a week straight. Somehow I just didn't feel tired. But the game was too fun not to play every day. Such a brilliant combat system. I really, really wish we got more. Either a longaer base game or some expansion could have gone such a long way. But if that's the main compliant with a game you know it is damn good.
@chadofastora
@chadofastora 22 күн бұрын
I’m probably one of 5 weirdos in existence who still thinks there’s a possibility of DLC. After the game has continued getting more and more love it’s just such a shame for it to not have something extra
@FalconB76
@FalconB76 28 күн бұрын
Content replay value ia worse then fun replay value in my opinion. Games that offer fun, tight pick and play experience tend to value your time and doesnt have bloat. I see so many games coming out recently that are action rpg open world games with so much bloat that its not even fun to get through the first time let alone replaying that game. I'd rather have a fun well paced game with no bloat that makes me say i wish there was more and eventually get the urge to replay it. Examples: Ghostrunner, Spider-Man, Batman Arkham, Jedi games, God of War 3, Doom games, Strider 2014, Bulletstorm, Darksiders 1, Crysis Trilogy, Titanfall 2, COD campaigns, A short hike and pretty much whatever Insomniac makes.
@blankbunsch
@blankbunsch 27 күн бұрын
Found your channel from the sekiro tier lists, stayed for literally everything else 😌
@Verchiel_
@Verchiel_ 10 күн бұрын
Two of my favorite games ever, Skyrim and terraria, have some of the best replay value out there i think. The process of learning about the game's systems and the world and adapting to things that happen in the games, getting better at them, trying new character builds, approaching progression in different ways. Not to mention the mass amount of extensive mods for both, skyrocketing the replayability further. I think what helps games feel more replayable is wide discussion of the games. I probably wouldn't replay skyrim or terraria so often if i didn't get to talk about them with people almost daily.
@ologames1185
@ologames1185 5 күн бұрын
I will always argue that Sekiro is more replayable than Elden Ring. I've done 3 playthroughs of vanilla Elden ring and four on convergence even though I had a list of 20 playthroughs that I wanted to do. But because I've seen nearly everything and gone to nearly every POI, I find myself thinking "now what" after every cave or dungeon. With Sekiro (or every other soulslike for that matter) it tells you where to go and what to do, instead of it being a matter of choosing where to go to farm more levels after the first time. It also helps that the gameplay is insanely fun.
@hhowdy
@hhowdy 29 күн бұрын
When you brought up natural replay value I was just waiting for Little Nightmares to show up and it did 10:38. I love Little Nightmares so much more specially I will always come back to Little Nightmares 2 because it’s actually a masterpiece and I love the world it’s set in. I am also super nostalgic towards it and no I’m not gaslighting my self because of nostalgia no idea why people say that. Nestogia is just a product of remembering something you love and get memories to.
@chadofastora
@chadofastora 29 күн бұрын
I think they have some of the absolute best atmosphere in any game I’ve played
@43aceman
@43aceman 23 күн бұрын
I’ve replayed gloomwood an ungodly amount of times just to see what crazy setups I can pull off, the game is designed in such a way where it doesn’t limit you on how you do things and it opens the player up to do whatever they want with their arsenal, such a good imm sim, probably my favorite one, and it’s not even 25% done as of now. If you’re into stealth, I highly suggest checking it out
@flufficornss
@flufficornss 22 күн бұрын
thank you for also focusing on how "artificial" replay value is also good but its a preference for the person and if they enjoy that gameplay loop or not. and i think a lot of the people who hate on "natural" replay value are people who don't recognize they do the same thing with other media theres no difference in watching a movie twice than playing a linear narrative game twice both are artistic experiences and many times although you can never have the same experience a different experience doesnt mean it'll be worse
@infinitepotato001
@infinitepotato001 17 күн бұрын
As someone replaying elden ring for the 40th (not exaggerating) time: Content plus it's fun is the best. I'm a nut case that want's one character for every spell class and weapon class. It started with just each build type. Pure str, pure dex, dex/arc, dex/fth and all other combinations. Then it became spells... now it's weapon types... And I may have shit myself when they said the dlc is adding 8 new ones. Man I hope a game I like comes out before I'm done with all those cuz I've been playing Elden Ring damn near none stop sense release.
@cjw8497
@cjw8497 29 күн бұрын
I would love other videos on more general video game topics like this. You reference so many different games which shows you know whay you're talking about.
@chadofastora
@chadofastora 29 күн бұрын
For now I’ll still mostly do souls stuff since it’s what my viewers want. But as time goes on I plan to do more stuff like this 👍
@elaboratelime5617
@elaboratelime5617 24 күн бұрын
I love replaying resident evil 2/3 remakes, they’re just so fun and so short when you know what you’re doing (long on first play throughs). It’s like playing your favourite movie on for a night, ya know? Beating RE2 in 4 hours or so feels so satisfying
@chadofastora
@chadofastora 24 күн бұрын
I guess I didn’t mention it, but 2/3 is a fun back to back experience. Ik 3 remake gets some hate for cutting content from the original, but I still think it’s a lot of fun in its own right
@elaboratelime5617
@elaboratelime5617 24 күн бұрын
@@chadofastora yeah, honestly RE3 is good when paired with RE2, i bought them in 2020 on sale together and they sorta just feel like their paired together, if i payed full price for RE3, i would have felt sour about it as well
@paradoxxikal7327
@paradoxxikal7327 23 күн бұрын
RE2R has a lot of replay value that simply comes from the ranking system. After that first playthrough, you know everything you have to do, and now you can strategize your route and get every key item as quickly as possible to achieve that beautiful S rank. It’s crazy how different of an experience the game is on a repeat playthrough
@Determ1nat1on
@Determ1nat1on 25 күн бұрын
Most find CE's 2nd half boring but like you, I also love replaying it. CE's mastery of Legendary difficulty, refined sandbox, intelligent & capable enemies just never gets old. The more games I've played the more I've started to get bored by it world games. I much prefer a linear, shorter & tighter experience over groaning at a map with a 100 side objectives. My curiosity won't let me not pursue those even if I know they're just not worth . Fantastic video!!
@ricardomiles2957
@ricardomiles2957 19 күн бұрын
I had an argument with someone once because i think Bloodborne is more replayable than elden ring and these few first minutes is pretty much how it went. He argued over content and weapon choices in ER and i argued about the shorter and more focused package in Bloodborne.
@stussy4
@stussy4 16 күн бұрын
sekiros my favourite game ever, i dont know why it grips me so much but ive sunk hundreds of hours completing it more times than i can count, replay value is crazy subjective
@Eo-ms3kw
@Eo-ms3kw 17 күн бұрын
I thought of this exactly when I replied to a comment yesterday bashing on ds3 because it has "no replayability" and how ds2 has so much better replayability. I simultaneously agree and disagree with that sentiment. I like replaying both of these games but for very different reasons which perfectly fit these two categories. Ds2 has greater artificial replayability through ng+ changes and more build variety whereas ds3 doesn't need that to make me want to replay it because I just love playing the game.
@TheParagonIsDead
@TheParagonIsDead 17 күн бұрын
Both are fun and have intriguing stories tho. I love that you didn’t say one or the other was bad, just that it’s based on who’s playing it.
@chadofastora
@chadofastora 17 күн бұрын
Yep, I love both
@gamer-san8923
@gamer-san8923 11 күн бұрын
I always find myself replaying KOTOR every now and then. It's just fun to play.
@paulsh2071
@paulsh2071 20 күн бұрын
There is a new soulslike called another crabs treasure also available on gamepass i wonder if you plan to make enemy or boss rankings for that
@chadofastora
@chadofastora 20 күн бұрын
Maybe, it kinda flew under my radar ngl. But once the Elden Ring dlc come out that’s obviously gonna be my main focus for a while
@gavinreed4653
@gavinreed4653 23 күн бұрын
This is something that needed to be said for a long time. Well said man. 👍
@averymusicalperson
@averymusicalperson 10 күн бұрын
cheesing sekiro as my first playthrough rn because i wanted to see just how smart others can be with the game's tools and its incredible that it does that(also ultrakill helps out with deflecting) so my second playthrough is going to drag me through the fucking dirt and i can't wait for that attempt
@ahhhhhhhhhhhh678
@ahhhhhhhhhhhh678 22 күн бұрын
I think rougelikes/lites are some great examples of replayability, since their entire premise is that they are to be played many times over.
@chadofastora
@chadofastora 22 күн бұрын
Definitely a big example I missed
@chickendrawsdogs3343
@chickendrawsdogs3343 11 күн бұрын
I replay Red Dead Redemption 2 multiple times, each time a little differently... ...but I always leave Micah cooking in jail for as long as it takes for Arthur to grow a mountain man's beard.
@VakovoSheggorri
@VakovoSheggorri 29 күн бұрын
I wish that Sekiro had a reward for no hitting a boss. Nothing functional, I don't want a powerup. Just something to show you have done it. That is the kind of motivation i need to master a system like that, just a token showing that i *have* you know? It helps me know my progress. And know of it later. It has an impact, having an item to commemorate.
@chadofastora
@chadofastora 29 күн бұрын
Ya, that would be cool
@zerastardust1712
@zerastardust1712 15 күн бұрын
Player created characters are a big draw for me in terms or replay value. I would never have replayed Skyrim I had to play as the same character each time.
@jonathanwilson7949
@jonathanwilson7949 9 күн бұрын
Some games have it and some games don’t. I think that’s the best way to sum up a lot of these videos.
@RaymondoPerson
@RaymondoPerson 18 күн бұрын
A way to turn "natural replay value" into something more tangible that the game acknowledges & grades you on is arcade elements like 1-credit runs (or "no continues" if it's a home console/PC game with no literal "credits") or well thought out scoring systems. The latter is relatively rarer outside of shoot-em-ups and their derivatives (you could argue whether Starfox 64 is a "shmup" or not, but it grades your mastery well either way); even great arcade games like Metal Slug can be a slog to score in, and in many arcade games or arcadey console games you're only thinking of score in terms of the extra lives it rewards you and not as a serious competitive challenge. BUT 1CCing more often feels like something a ton of older arcade & console games are designed around. Right now I'm trying to do a full run of Castlevania: Rondo of Blood without continuing, and the game seems designed around that goal (or *set* of goals given the branching paths). 1ups are hidden in various places. Not only does scoring (which grades you on mastery such as the amount of health & weapon ammo you use on bosses, encouraging whip-only runs) give you extra lives but so does finishing a level with full health, encouraging strategic level routing AND boss mastery. But scoring systems existing purely for the sake of grading mastery is an underrated thing outside of shmups and consciously "80s arcade retro" games and just cuz a lot late 80s/90s games stopped caring & included them in a shallow vestigial way (it stopped being a huge focus as early as Final Fight where where the final big intended goal is just "don't continue", with score pickups being too randomized to make you give a crap), that doesn't mean they can't be used well. Games like the DMC series could benefit from a scoring system that grades you on a mix of comboing, damage avoidance and speedrunning skill simultaneously. Speedrunning excludes expressive combos, and comboing foregoes speed, so why not grade players on perfectly mixing both?
@wander7984
@wander7984 18 күн бұрын
I haven't finished the video yet, and I'm aware it's subjective but "it's fun" win 100% over "content" every time i think about replaying something
@hare75
@hare75 20 күн бұрын
My no.1 game with infinite replayability was armored core series, the other armored core series like last raven, for answer and fires of rubicon has the best multiple ending and new game plus mode, you also have tons of weapons and parts
@tengdayz2
@tengdayz2 23 күн бұрын
Bloodborne is my king for replay value, but I respect everyone for having their own favorites too.
@user-tw3rh9po4t
@user-tw3rh9po4t 11 күн бұрын
I play Alien Sky for both. Mainly because the last mission is fun.
@Rimuru1
@Rimuru1 25 күн бұрын
i have sunk over 500+ hours in vanilla Terraria over the span of 10 months just because its fun slowly ranmping up the difficulty settings and trying out new classes
@Idontevenknowman779
@Idontevenknowman779 28 күн бұрын
The amount of times I booted up Sekiro just because it was fun I can’t even count
@philipjacobsen6550
@philipjacobsen6550 23 күн бұрын
ratchet and clank 1-3 had great replay value. humor was on point, gameplay was fun and finally getting the R.Y.N.O was oh so good
@user-mm8ck9xc8k
@user-mm8ck9xc8k 25 күн бұрын
i have like 100 hrs in every Fromsoftware game just doing no dmg boss rush over and over again and never got bored with it cause its just that good, and now Stellar Blade came out, and i might be replaying it like i did to to FS games cause its just that good and Replay Value is High
@ShatteredGlass916
@ShatteredGlass916 24 күн бұрын
Haven't watched the whole vid, but as someone that have played Marvel:Ultimate Alliance on PS2 for more than 15 times i can attest the power of "Fun as Replayability Value" 😂
@blubeard7324
@blubeard7324 25 күн бұрын
Sekiro was really fun, had 35+ playthroughs, and one day i just stopped playing.
@pogethedoge
@pogethedoge 5 күн бұрын
Somehow Mario Odyssey has artificial replayability (the 999 moons) and I've never gotten them all, but have replayed it like a bajillion times
@NicolaeCarpathia420
@NicolaeCarpathia420 25 күн бұрын
Invading and taunters tonguing in Elden Ring and Souls is yet another example of infinite multiplayer replay value in this genre.
@slavko7898
@slavko7898 15 күн бұрын
skyrim i feel like is an open world with linear stories and quests that have almost no differing options an illusion of choice, you can’t drastically change a quest by siding with a different side or anything its set in stone
@waddlecopter3139
@waddlecopter3139 29 күн бұрын
Babe wake up Chad of Astora just posted
@chrislevack405
@chrislevack405 29 күн бұрын
How does it feel to be a literal mimic?
@waddlecopter3139
@waddlecopter3139 28 күн бұрын
@@chrislevack405 mmmmm yummy ashen ones
@jknifgijdfui
@jknifgijdfui 24 күн бұрын
i think a good middle ground of both of these are high scores and time trials in games and i wish more games had at least one of those
@night1952
@night1952 23 күн бұрын
I should install the technique quick switch mod, replay Sekiro and go for Smoking Sexy Style.
@mitchboland9591
@mitchboland9591 17 күн бұрын
I have replayed Max Payne 3 more times than I can count
@wanderdota
@wanderdota 24 күн бұрын
love to see Hollow Knight featured in here. Just finished my first Sekiro playthrough yesterday and the only game that gave me the same feeling of mastery was fully completing Hollow Knight. You plan to make any Hollow Knight content?
@chadofastora
@chadofastora 24 күн бұрын
I hate to admit I actually haven’t finished hollow knight yet 😅 but I can tell it’ll probably be one of my all time favorites when I get there. And I’ll most likely make at least a boss ranking or something
@wanderdota
@wanderdota 24 күн бұрын
@@chadofastora I think you'll really enjoy it once you get to Godhome and are able to fight the toughest bosses. They're no joke.
@sariel4021
@sariel4021 15 күн бұрын
if anything I see multiplayer as an inherent limit on replayability; there's only so long you *can* engage with it until its no longer there. and in general, multiplayer tends to be way more of a sweaty "play for ten minuets then not" vs single player
@shlirby8411
@shlirby8411 11 күн бұрын
I replayed sekiro like 10 times till i got enough beads to max out my damage
@psynyder
@psynyder 29 күн бұрын
You should do a video for armored core 6!
@chadofastora
@chadofastora 29 күн бұрын
Right now I actually still haven’t gotten into it yet. But I’m sure I’ll like it, and prob make at least 1 vid
@zaidlacksalastname4905
@zaidlacksalastname4905 25 күн бұрын
My favorite games are the ones where you explore a new world, and they're basically impossible to replay. Even with the convergence mod, i barely got through my third elden ring playthrough, and its my favourite game ever. Same with totk, dont know if I'll replay that before 50 years On the other hand, i mustve played ultrakill and doom eternal like 5 times by now
@kiritoequalspotato493
@kiritoequalspotato493 17 күн бұрын
So for me breath of the wild is one of those games i will play again like im on my third playthrough of it even thouh ive basically done nothing different beyond trying to get hit even less in my hard mode playthrough,tears of the kingdom will likely be the same when i finally get to finishing it
@Realience
@Realience 19 күн бұрын
Journey has replay value because part of the point is someone who *has* completed the game going back and helping someone who hasn't found their goal
@chadofastora
@chadofastora 19 күн бұрын
True, I forgot about the multiplayer aspect. Also nice pfp
@bjmurphy34
@bjmurphy34 20 күн бұрын
Yeah, the right method of providing replay value is highly subjective. Personally, I don't enjoy when things are randomized. It's just not fun for me. However, thousands of people love Hades and The Binding of Isaac.
@obar2415
@obar2415 11 күн бұрын
can someone make a list of all games mentioned and shown in this video be it directly, indirectly or just gameplay purpose, id be obliged guys.
@cr-nd8qh
@cr-nd8qh 11 күн бұрын
I have a hard time finishing games. Im getting better though i just finished elden ring. Those end bosses are kind of ridiculous but i hot through. I made it to the final boss of sekiro as well. Need to gtind him out.
@nimajack-gj1fz
@nimajack-gj1fz 25 күн бұрын
one other thing about sekiro combat is how the boss react to you parrying them for example if you hit genochiro during his grab attack he will be thrown off balance. How about during isshin third phase when he use those two sword slash blast if you get in his face and parry the first one the whole attack gets shut down. Finally, a hot take sekiro is fromsoftwares easiest game
@MenosGrandeHollow
@MenosGrandeHollow 16 күн бұрын
Hey, do you about a metroidvania/openworld called rainworld? It's an incredibly hard, well made game an it has insane replay value, please cover it
@chadofastora
@chadofastora 16 күн бұрын
I’ll check it out
@MenosGrandeHollow
@MenosGrandeHollow 16 күн бұрын
@@chadofastora O: HE ACTUALLY SAW THIS??
@chadofastora
@chadofastora 16 күн бұрын
@@MenosGrandeHollow indeed
@3lote997
@3lote997 24 күн бұрын
In the end i think it deppends on the player, for example i loved nier automata story and gameplay but i dont find too much fun replaying it, specially the 9s section, or other cases like atomic heart, days gone where i just come back again because i love the setting of this games and combat
@6star9
@6star9 27 күн бұрын
Time to speedwactch a new soulsborne channel
@RoxLynisPersonal
@RoxLynisPersonal 18 күн бұрын
I have beaten salt and sanctuary 43 times in a year And ds3 22 times in a month, Man
@shlirby8411
@shlirby8411 11 күн бұрын
The amount of times ive played through max payne because how just good the gameplay is is crazy
@EnGageJackson
@EnGageJackson 25 күн бұрын
My most replayed game is probably Fire Emblem Awakening. I started it when I was about 10 years old, and I've probably played through it around 15 or so times.
@chadofastora
@chadofastora 25 күн бұрын
I’ve heard nothing but god-tier praise for those games and their replayability
@EnGageJackson
@EnGageJackson 25 күн бұрын
I recommend just about any of them! Have you not played an FE game yet? I highly recommend Awakening, Fates, or Three Houses as a starter FE game.
@chadofastora
@chadofastora 25 күн бұрын
@@EnGageJackson Sounds good, from what I’ve heard I’ll most likely start with three houses since it seems to be the most beloved
@EnGageJackson
@EnGageJackson 24 күн бұрын
I think that is a great idea. I replayed Three Houses about 7 or 8 times now, no joke.
@Flamme-Sanabi
@Flamme-Sanabi 11 күн бұрын
I will refuse to play a game again for 5 years so I can forget and experience it again.
@ihatesnakeu.7238
@ihatesnakeu.7238 24 күн бұрын
I have never touched a Fromsoft game but I like watching Sekiro, should I give it a shot?
@chadofastora
@chadofastora 24 күн бұрын
Obviously I’m biased since it’s one of my favorite games. But I think it’s worth it, as long as you know that it will be challenging. It’s also fine to take long breaks in the middle if you get tired of dying
@char....
@char.... 29 күн бұрын
Yeah its chad imma watch it
@voidgivenfocus
@voidgivenfocus 23 күн бұрын
Sekino do b like dat
@jessiescholten9119
@jessiescholten9119 21 күн бұрын
I feel like there are some games that just both have replay value yet simultaneously really make replaying the game a bad experience. Like look at pokemon for instance (the newer games) there are so many possible teams you can make and strategies you can try but you got me all kinds of fked up if you think i'll willing sit trough that slug of unskippable dialogue again.
@BokiSpid
@BokiSpid 17 күн бұрын
For me Pathologic 2 is the best game to replay
@creditianistani6474
@creditianistani6474 7 күн бұрын
i don't replay sekiro that much but damn i have 500 hours in nioh 2 i will never get back :(
@alpha_c.
@alpha_c. 26 күн бұрын
bro really highlighted the customisation of persona instead of smt….. good vid tho
@chadofastora
@chadofastora 26 күн бұрын
I probably would’ve if I had experience with SMT
@alpha_c.
@alpha_c. 26 күн бұрын
in mainline, the non-protagonist party members are demons as you probably know. you can choose which demons to use, and customise them. you can also customise the protag’s stats and skills. regarding wider megaten, i really like the customisation in digital devil saga. each party member (you control just a few, total of 5 in the first game, and the active party is 3 at a time) is an actual character in the story, and their builds are entirely customisable. it adds a tonne to the replayability. with all the megaten games i’ve played (except for smt4 which i didn’t finish), i’ve played them at least twice, but for dds, i’m currently doing my third run of the duology, mainly cause of the customisation also in earlier persona apparently i think all the party members can use demons just like joka puhsona fiev but idk i haven’t played much persona but yeah this is all mostly the first type of replay value highlighted in your vid but i only watched a little bit of the second section eks dee
@noided_grl
@noided_grl 22 күн бұрын
was literally about to say the same thing lol and for the persona 1 and 2 party members being able to use all demons like the wildcards, its similar but abit different p1 and p2 had a system where party members would be more compatible with demons of a certain arcana than others its abit different between p1, p2 is and p2 ep, but for in the p2 duology for example, there was 5 levels to it, with it affecting things like sp costs, mutation chances and iirc party members arent able to use demons that they have the lowest compability rating with so p2 party members cant use the entire compendium like how the wild cards do, instead favoring specific arcanas, still kinda similar tho
@lucianocruz3383
@lucianocruz3383 7 күн бұрын
l wanna replay dark souls 2 and devil may cry 5 and 3 right now they are fun
@nikolaimironov3446
@nikolaimironov3446 16 күн бұрын
Background song names?
@guardianvalor962
@guardianvalor962 20 күн бұрын
0:37 Which gya v mission was this?
@chadofastora
@chadofastora 20 күн бұрын
The one where Michael destroys a guys house because he banged his wife.
@AugustGallmeyer1998
@AugustGallmeyer1998 20 күн бұрын
What did you think of Mortal Shell?
@chadofastora
@chadofastora 19 күн бұрын
I haven’t played it yet
@huantruonginh2946
@huantruonginh2946 23 күн бұрын
No mention of mods? At least honorable mention?
@chadofastora
@chadofastora 23 күн бұрын
My bad
@MDNyx
@MDNyx 21 күн бұрын
does anyone know what the game at 3:04 is?
@chadofastora
@chadofastora 21 күн бұрын
It’s called Blasphemous
@MDNyx
@MDNyx 21 күн бұрын
@@chadofastora thank you!!!
@ZeroPlaytime
@ZeroPlaytime 26 күн бұрын
This one is really subjectives, everybody has different opinion of what they consider as fun Because to me, finally being able to kill isshin for the first time is just as fun as finally being able to kill annoying children in skyrim with mod Both are different kind of fun
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