The 2004 Ferrari on Slicks in Completely BROKEN

[@Tom97]

Per all of you in the comments in the last attempt kzbin.info/www/bejne/mnqwlaObqtNoibc I decided to give it another go! 👊

[@tybrock8609]

And compared top speed wise, 2004 would give w11 a run for its money, along with being less drag and lighter, makes the w11 a yoke

[@Tom0316_]

"a yoke!"

[@marcomolinari94]

Then Give f2004 also the reg limitation of the w11 (so not just the good stuff like slick tyres) and f2004 would look like a F2/F3 car

[@JubbatheHatt]

Williams BMW with Kubica driving still holds the record for highest speed acheived in F1 at over 370kmh

[@BrokeAndSquare]

@@marcomolinari94 Pretty much. What would the W11 look like with a power unit unrestricted and only needing to last one session like the V10’s?

[@Mikoto_Suoh]

@@BrokeAndSquare well than you can give the v10 a MGU-K unit too and it has well over 1000HP too... its already confirmed on slicks the v10 Era is faster than the hybrid era... the corner speed of these cars is unmatched...

[@BlakeAC]

Rubens Barrichello’s 1:21.046 lap at Monza in 2004 is now the longest-standing lap record in Formula 1

[@Nicks62999]

And it will stay for a long time since the modern cars are way slower in race trim

[@RandomGuy37]

Pretty crazy that in 20 years, no-one has been able to break it

[@2ur_gse130]

raikkonen 1: 19,119(2018) , Leclerc 1: 19,307(2019) ,hamilton 1: 18,887 (2020) break it many times.

[@jonihamalainen2228]

V10 Engine Monster POWER!

[@LJW1912]

Guess it's easy to work out when F1 peaked then

[@wifi882.]

I felt like I was watching those soft tyre laps on fast-forward. Considering how insane this thing is, you did really damn well driving it.

[@deaks25]

It's only now looking back that I realise how hard the FIA had to nerf these monsters. Grooved tyres, race-fuel for qualifying, the ban on tyre changes, and yet these cars set lap records that are still only just matched 20 years later... Given how delicate the suspension could be on the V10 cars, I wouldn't be surprised if a V10 with modern slicks could corner so hard it breaks the suspension, so I'm glad we don't have to risk the priceless IRL car to find out how fast it could have been.

[@vamositalia4600]

The W11 definitely didn't have so much straight line speed😳, jeez that car was flying!

[@AndresSztaba]

Some of the previous Mercedes cars had better top speed, I remember the 2017-2018 ones were rockets down the straights. then Mercedes started to use a barn door for a rear wing...

[@edk1124]

⁠@@AndresSztabathe 2018 one was slow compared to ferrari down the straights, especially in tracks like SPA. Ferrari was cheating but it was faster in the straights even though it failed to win the championship.

[@AndresSztaba]

@@edk1124 In Spa 2017's pole lap, the Mercedes speed trap was about 340 at the end of the kemmel straight, so not slow at all, and in 2018, in Q2 before the rain, they had a similar speed. Yes you can argue that they had a 15-20kph advantage due to the DRS, but still, not that they were bricks those seasons. Now, 2019 and 2020 are a different tale as Mercedes went a different way with their aero design...

[@NeoSephirothVal]

For all doubters: Take a look at the preliminary program for the Austrian GP at the Redbull Ring in 2022. Ralf Schumacher drove a few laps there with his 2003 BMW on Pirelli medium slicks and was immediately, without any real setup, just a second slower than Max Verstappen's pole lap of the same year on soft. Add the difference between Mediums and Soft and then the difference between the Ferrari from 2004 to the BMW from 2003 and a proper setup for the track and you get that the Ferrari F2004 is around 4-5 seconds faster than the current Redbull on the same tires. Driver excluded because I don't know how fast or slow Ralf currently is.^^

[@the_real_c14yt0n]

13:32 The 4:3 just makes this look more like a real qualifying lap from the 2004 season, minus the fact the audio is 20 years more advanced

[@King_Goat_JJ]

Still gives me the chills & full of joy hearing a screaming V10. I'll never ever lose the feeling

[@jacksonwagner8731]

Jimmers video actually featured a slightly different mod with the final spec of the f2004s engine (the 241 chassis i think) TLDR his version had even more horsepower

[@NickHillScott-he1vl]

1:36.6 around spa. That’s the most insane thing you will ever see!

[@bull7618]

Ferrari should do something like this for PR with Charles. Throw a set of slicks on an F2004 and let him at it

[@ColonelJohnmatrix1000]

Would be embarrassing to see an old car go so much quicker. Best not to disappoint the new fans.

[@MentalParadox]

@@ColonelJohnmatrix1000 That's F1's concern, not Ferrari's. They should do it with Hamilton in 2025, though. If he goes for title 8 (beating Schumi's 7), it would cool to have him drive Schumacher's most dominant car

[@toufikmolla1291]

@@MentalParadox you were told not to give the script to public platform

[@AndyFromBeaverton]

A 1:36:657 beats the fastest lap in a race from that period by over 8 seconds and 7 seconds from qualifying in 2002. Today, that car on the same slicks would be setting lap records at almost every track. The fastest Spa qualifying of that era was in 2002, with MSC's 1:43.726. No race in 2003 and the qualifying was wet in 2004 and 2005.

[@AndresSztaba]

Back in that period track was faster, well, the bus stop chicane was faster, the new one is slower, and makes the overall lap longer. Plus, I think the F2004 mod in AC is a bit "happy" in terms of performance, looks like a bit on steroids. Having been close to race cars for a time, to me there's no way the F2004 can be faster (or that much, at least) than a car from 2020. Yes, the F2004 can have a better top speed, but on cornering, even with slicks, idk man. The conversation about this could be unending, but I see it this way, even if in a sim, is cool to see that comparison, but the only real way to put them head to head is to have them both at the same time on track, set up and cracked-up like there's no tomorrow...

[@houseking9211]

​@@AndresSztabaactually it's down on power, and doesn't hit as high top speeds as the real car, the quali trim f2004 has around 60hp more than the car does in ac, the only reason it doesn't hold more track records is because, either A; the track has changed and therefore the lap time is irrelavent, B; the tyres were literally made of concrete, C; they qualified on race fuel load. Even with the super hard grooved tyres the 2004 cars are faster across race distance basically around any circuit. The AC f2004 has about as much downforce as a modern gte car, and way more drag. Most non gt3 kunos cars are slower than they are in real life, but for the sake of the experiment we can just assume that it's accurate.

[@houseking9211]

spa has changed quite a bit, you can't really compare the lap times from that era with the modern circuit

[@AndresSztaba]

@@houseking9211 They qualified on race fuel (in reality, the fuel load they'd start the race with, that could be full tank, half a tank, or whatever, since refilling was allowed), so it's not like they were just as heavy as now. The track hasn't changed that much in layout, only the bus stop is different, yeah you can say runoffs and kerbs, but that doesn't change the layout. The tyres were made of concrete, yes, that's one of the things I mentioned in my other comment, and why I just assumed that we just go and compare them assuming they (F2004 and say, a Mercedes W11) use the exact same slicks, at the same time on the same track, to throw that difference out the window. Now, when you mention power and the F2004 having about 60hp more in qualy than in race trim, that would be around 900-920hp (F2004 wasn't the most powerful car on the grid, both Mercedes and Williams had more juice), with the car weighing 610kg let's assume, a power-weight ratio of around 1.51hp/kg, vs a W11 with a 1000hp flat in qualy trim, weighing 730kg, a ratio of 1.37hp/kg, so slightly in favor of the F2004. With similar weight and power, an extra gear comes in handy (W11 ftw), on acceleration both are very similar, even considering gearing ratios that you can choose from in the F2004, so, let's say both are once again equal, same as with the tyre side. Yes you can say the old Ferrari is smaller and can have an edge on top speed even without DRS, so we give the Ferrari the edge there. Old cars were/are faster than the 2020 ones in race pace (in some tracks) due to the refueling being allowed, so the drivers could drive them harder for longer sections of the race, another item we just give the edge to the F2004. Now comes the rest of things I mentioned in my other comments, aero, suspension, steering, and all of that, and there's not even a slight chance the old Ferrari is better in any of those aspects than a 2020 Mercedes, they're not even close...

[@AndresSztaba]

To summarize, the F2004 was a great car, yes, and it held its pace/records for quite a long time, and all that stuff, but from a technician's (mine) perspective, it has been surpassed by a margin, and also, yes, a comparison with slicks could bring it way closer to a more modern F1 machine, I think it doesn't have that big of a chance of coming out on top...

[@calummccarthy1015]

That broadcast cam replay was INSANE 🔥🔥🔥🔥

[@vamositalia4600]

12:52 Wow, if this car was so painful to drive I cannot imagine how the Red Bull X2010 would be😱. Tom you shouldn't really worry about the track limits because Lewis in his 2020 pole lap went wide at No name,Stavelot and on the exit of the Bus stop chicane; back then they weren't so strict with track limits.

[@NedimMNE]

What a sound! Music to my ears. How I miss those V10 engines..

[@aleksandarstojanovic1708]

Use McLaren MP-4 20 from 2005.

[@adeal2buy354]

what makes this better is that Toto when Alonso was laping the renault around was asked about those car and he said that they were slow and archaic

[@JM-955]

Great video once again Tom, I have to give this combo a try myself, see if I get anywhere near you

[@max.hx_07]

The tracklimits don't matter. In 2020 when the W11 drove the record lap there were many corners were it was the kerb that mattered and not the line

[@LednacekZ]

those days, cars were so much smaller and lighter.

[@mito-pb8qg]

Nothing in the world beats that fucking sound. Not a thing.

[@10acious32]

The 2000s cars are so damn nimble that i wish the 2026 regulations would shrink the cars. Maybe back to the size of the 2014-16 cars.

[@wiegraf9009]

I've been to races at Spa and the speed this car had through Eau Rouge was VISIBLY impressive compared to a WEC Hypercar! It would be awesome if they let Alonso have a go at doing this today. I'm sure he'd kill it.

[@brellnob]

I think the F2004 would win in a race considering it has all its power most of the time.

[@daddydazzle2312]

it would be so cool if you guys did your creators series on this game with all the options of f1 cars you can get, oldest to newest series each race the car gets newer, something like that lol

[@Draco_Alpha]

jeezus... i don't think i've ever watched a F1 car go full-tilt around Spa before. this is WICKED fast! 😮

[@jean-francoismorette5068]

I remember what Murray Walker said one time when it was the Qualification at SPA with Michael Schumacher when he arrived at (bus stop ) with this dominant Ferrari : ''' He needs more horsepower , he isn't quick enough " . And Schumi smashed the time of this Q2 to make it a Pole lap :) Imagine the same car with DRS :p Damn, must be very FAST :D

[@alexandreduartevandegraaf1641]

This MF took Pouhon Flat out

[@BalázsPelei]

This shows just how accurate the stock Assetto corsa sound model is for the f2004

[@charlesgraham9954]

back in the mid 80s i lived in California, there was a race park in orange county where u could drive a winged open wheeled race car. most shocking part to me was the ability to take a conner faster than u think the car can handle. track didn't last long to many people got hurt. lol. i was 16 at the time. u could also drug race cars with Chevy 350s in them, bad part was they were on a rail to make sure u dont crash and flip

[@ColonelJohnmatrix1000]

Great driving and great to see what the F2004 is really capable of with real tires on it. The grooves were just so wrong. But I get why they were a necessity because cars would have been just too fast. They were very cautious after Senna’s death to control the speeds.

[@HammerHeart3229]

I could be totally wrong of course but watching the way you took Raidillon, No Name and Pouhon, I can't help but think if you did that in real life with this car on slicks it would just kill your neck, right? The G forces must be unbelievable! Videos like this remind me why the FIA brought in the grooved tyres back then to be honest! 😂 Big thumbs up for trying to respect track limits too! That's one of my biggest pet peeves about F1 these days!

[@christhomas8549]

You’ve out done yourself Mr Martinez 👏🏻

[@hadithelegend3358]

the sound is too goated.

[@jamesbehra2690]

How i miss those V10 s.

[@tosemcriatividade6449]

3 letters: DRS.

[@NeoSephirothVal]

God, this sound mod is amazing! 😍🤩

[@JubbatheHatt]

It holds to this day the highest speed acheived in a race over 370kmh Robert Kubica driving

[@colingembries7541]

I think the new version of the track is faster than the old version of Spa driven since 2022

[@bluezh7]

this is grip heaven

[@giorx5]

F2004 with MS in it was something great to watch once you knew what means to drive an F1 on the limit or even a bit beyond that at times.

[@MatusP91]

I would like to see you take other tracks in this (Mugello and Jaddah could be cool)

[@LouisZanirato]

I think the grip level is super unrealistic, it wouldn't be that fast

[@tanner1ie]

Nice video! Is one of the corners at Spa really called "No name'?! 😯😂😀🤘

[@steveshuffle]

Tom, I'm curious. I came to this video after watching your briliant race with the last 20 WC cars. There the Renaults finished 1-2 and the Ferrari F2004 was > 20 seconds behind at the end.. But here the Ferrari is way quicker than the Renault (also compared to your test of the Renault @ SPA with slicks)... I'm confused..how?

[@thalesesteves]

What version of Spa are you using? This is not the standard Spa that comes with the AC game right?

[@tanner1ie]

While I don't play ACC, it looks pretty different to how it looks in GT7 certainly - that big mound to the left after turn one is distracting me with its' presence! 😯😂😀🤘 .

[@max-and1]

Hi Tom, when will you do the 2013 Singapur pole lap?

[@boban9120]

music to my ears

[@NomadUniverse]

Check the track limits on the exit of radillion and no name.

[@kaisersamuel9921]

Does anyone think this beast would be even sicker on Super Softs or Hyper Softs?

[@teflond0n]

On current tyres it'll probably need to run the medium compound anyway. The super/ultra soft might just melt before it gets through a lap at Spa.

[@NickHillScott-he1vl]

Just seeing the car zip around Pouhon.

[@Juiceisbetterthanmilk]

Please what’s your camera sens I’ve been trying to find a good one for afes

[@aubreyfresolone7228]

I think you do this with the w11 lewis hamilton pole lap

[@tanner1ie]

I'm 90% certain that this is one of the Ferrari F1 cars in GT6 - it'd be nice to see how quick the Ferrari F1 cars are in that game versus this one! Next video maybe! 😯😀🤘🤞 . (While GT Sport and 7 have plenty Ferraris, they don't have any of their F1 cars for some reason!) Edit - I just checked and it was in GT5 that we got the only official Ferrari F1 cars (it seems like yesterday!) - but of course that's still on PS3, so it looks and plays great and it should be easy to capture!... While it was the F2007 and the F10 in the game, not the 2004 car! But still, I'd really like to see you drive them! 😯😀🤘🤞 .

[@klievurt]

What i wouldn't give to have these cars back. Small, light and nimble cars that are fast as feck and so good to watch. ever since 2014 the cars have just become more and more bloated and lumbering we are currently at 798kg dry (minimum weight) with 100kg of fuel and 80kg minimum for driver they are rolling onto the grid at 978kg!!!!. 2026 they want to reduce it by 50kg to 748kg minimum but it needs more like 150kg - 200kg (2004 was 605kg minimum weight), Also going to fully sustainable fuel and then reducing the fuel limit to 70kg is just... so infuriatingly stupid. They want the engines to rev higher but how are they gonna do that when they can't afford THE FECKING FUEL USAGE!!! not to mention the current rev limit is 15k but they don't go over 10.5k cause they are boost and fuel limited so there is no benefit to rev that high.

[@klievurt]

On another note, there is a limit on the amount of "exotic materials" that can be used for the cars and engines... can we all agree that ridiculous imagine if there was a ban on exotic material when the chassis was still made out of aluminium and steel trellis frame. we would never have gotten the Litteral space technology carbon fibre monocoque. There is a budget cap now so who cares if they coat the pistons in alien dust as long as it's under budget and passes crash tests it should be allowed.

[@ohareport]

but what’s your own lap time in the 2020 car?

[@22MG22]

can you share your graphics?

[@yaniv_akrish]

13:55 i think you went a bit off the truck there.

[@Tom97]

Yes I did, but there would have been 0 difference on lap time, it was a small wheel snap that took me wide.

[@845_Mk6]

another banger yet again

[@karolgyore7082]

Watch the video in 2x the playback speed. It's worth it...👀

[@logancurran1213]

Awesome content, Tom!

[@phoenix___7747]

There was a reason for reigning in these bad boys. They were getting too fast. Who knows how fast F1 would have become with these engines and modern aero abilities.

[@Massivecarcrash]

I think FIA might have had a point with grooved tires, this on slicks would have snapped necks.

[@savetheavocados3822]

Please don’t tell me that thing was actually on loan from NASA🤯

[@ericbema8420]

lmao, why is the 2020 merc pole lap infamous as if there something illegal going on ?

[@stefan.marsenicc]

W11 was just fastest car that broke shit ton of lap records, nothing else, it was ridiculously fast

[@ericbema8420]

@@stefan.marsenicc but then, why infamous? 😂

[@845_Mk6]

I honestly think this mod is a bit unrealistic their is to much aero

[@stefan.marsenicc]

good thing about games is that aesthetics can be separated with physics, lap times are just 7 seconds faster than 2002 qualifying lap which was done on race fuel and grooved tyres, it adds up

[@Icy_Princess]

Okay so technically speaking, would that actually work in real life? The 2004 Ferrari wasn't designed for slicks, now what would happen if you'd just put them on there? Car would be a lot faster obviously but I'm not sure if the aero could handle such speeds and you may need to slow it down manually unless you wanna end up in a gravel pit. Idk y'all tell me, I'm really curious and thought about this a lot actually

[@jichaelmorgan3796]

F1 should do a few less official races and add a few friendly races with retro cars.

[@AdamJohnCorbett10]

SSSSPPPPPEEEEEEEDDDDD! What a Car! 🚥🏎️🏁

[@ukrje]

One thing i would reccomend for you, would be lowering your force feedback. You are clipping like mad - and therefore loosing much information.

[@THEF1GAMER-tv8cn]

Cool vid😎

[@Super-Godzilla99]

in the 2000`s you would be in the track limits. ever seen a race from back then ? then you know. you are too much in the limiter on the engine, you must change gears so in the limiter just at the end of a straight not at the start of it, thats how you blow up your engine how you do it. 330 km/h on a straight is not much for these cars you can go 345 - 360 km/h on the straight so a few seconds down the line faster. and you can go full throttle at the apex with those cars. not when it stands straight like with modern f1 cars.

[@RockSolitude]

This is why F1 drivers are having longer and longer careers. The cars are becoming less demanding than ever to drive.

[@craigslater330]

Love the car but let’s be honest idk if in reality it would be faster. If it’s possible I’d love to be proven wrong because what a sight that would be

[@Kwibus51]

Why can F1 not put a V10 engine in a F1 car these days? Ferarri SUV has a V12 that is reliable and has like 800 hp so why not put that in a 600 kg f1 car?

[@sch3ffel]

the v10's that runned on F1 are a completely different beast from a road spec v10. we are talking about an engine that can effordlessly reach 15k rpm without melting itself and can touch 900+ hp on qualify trim on a 3L engine... those things devoured fuel and F1 wants to be as fuel efficient as possible and fuel efficient a v10 isnt, when you compare the two F1 engines. its actually ridiculous just how much fuel efficient those hybrid v6 are.

[@wiegraf9009]

Fuel efficiency isn't really their biggest concern going into the next regs because they're changing to sustainable fuels. I think the real concern is how often V10s blow up. You're not going to magically make that go away and the teams probably aren't into it. Ferrari also doesn't have a brand identity association with V10s so they probably aren't that eager to switch to them. Even a switch to V8s would be an improvement though @@sch3ffel

[@JubbatheHatt]

Dont know who said that Ferrari is fast but they must be bonkers😂😂 the fastest car of that generation by a country mile was the Williams BMW the first engine ever to rev over 18 000 rpm it makes that Ferrari look like its got handbrake on so give the real fastest of the V10 generation a drive

[@Tamburello_1994]

@14:23 -- no bueno 👎

[@clintonmead]

Nice best lap, shame your pants are now full of shit after almost losing it at 320kph coming out of Raidilion.

[@alfiospuson7165]

Brao brao

[@bobhopemaryjane2]

Wow, the sound is MEH lol

[@mohammadhosainusofimotlagh6295]

This can't be realistic. Somebody should make a mod with a W11 that has a V10 engine and weights as light as the F2004. Then we'll see which car was better. Also remember F2004 was designed around those bridgestone groved tyres, so it's not like you wack on a set of plirelli slicks and you go 5 seconds faster intantly. I heard that when Alonso drove his 2005 car in 2020 with slick tyres, he was 3 seconds off, which is impressive nontheless, but not like this, especially given Spa is a track full of high speed corners where the current cars really excel and Abu dhabi is a low speed track.

[@GT_FREAK]

If we are speaking realistically on spa it is possible for slicks to shave off those 5 seconds give or take. Spa is a much larger track than Abu dhabi and Alonso car was detuned to have around 100BHP-200BHP less as well as RPM being limited to save the engine. The switch from slicks grove tires rules were made to slow the car down to have more competitive racing, now with modern slick sticky tires its totally possible.

[@mohammadhosainusofimotlagh6295]

@@GT_FREAK you can also say the current cars have to carry so many safety features that add well over 50 kg of weight plus all the weight of the hybrid systems that certainly make them more slow than what they gain with 160hp. Also Spa is a long track, but it's mostly 2 long straights, where abu dhabi is all abound low speed cornering where lightness of the old cars really help. Even if the 200bhb that Alonso's car lost cost him 3 seconds, it's still very far from being 5 seconds faster than Abu dhabi 2020 pole.

[@stefan.marsenicc]

@@mohammadhosainusofimotlagh6295in 2020 Abu Dhabi had layout with few traction zones which quite literally would make him lose time with detuned engine

[@mohammadhosainusofimotlagh6295]

@@stefan.marsenicc maybe 3 seconds, but not 8 seconds.

[@AndresSztaba]

@@GT_FREAK Still, the power-weight ratio on both cars is relatively similar (a topic NO ONE talks about, and is a major one), and that in medium-high speed corners doesn't favor any of those cars more than the other. Then you have suspension, aero, gearbox, tolerances, and all that, and on that I'm pretty sure the 2020 Merc is above the F2004, especially aero and suspension. Now about the tires, idk what model he uses there, if the 2013 ones, or the big fat 2017-onwards, but let's say they use the same dimensions (2017 dimensions, that is) on both for the sake of "equality". Then comes the aero, the 2017-2021 generation of F1 had the biggest overall downforce ever (no, don't come up with the ground effect era from half a century ago, as much df the had, it isn't even close to today), even if I only consider the cars as wider and longer, thus having a larger area to generate downforce, and ignoring the more intricate ways they generated it. Spa is not only some big straights where the F2004 can have the edge being smaller in size, but there's more places where the W11 can have an advantage on this particular track...

[@Plasmacutter-]

Couldn't you have put it in mph instead of kph

[@Il_Dutur]

Jean Todt himself said that when they did the first test with the new F2004, in January 2004, the car was so fast compared to the F2003-GA they thought chronometers were broken.🤌🏼🤣