The 2024 Honda Passport Trailsport Is An Uncomplicated Dirt Ready Family SUV

The #HondaPassport has had an interesting backstory in the #Honda lineup. What started out as a rebadged version of the Isuzu Rodeo, Honda brought back the Passport nameplate back in 2019 and found some big sales numbers in North America. The company followed it up with the first-ever #PassportTrailsport in 2022 and for 2024, while we wait for a new generation #Passport, this model gets better off-road capability and a few tweaks to the interior and trim levels. For those of you who aren't the biggest fan of the latest #HondaPilot and don't need a 3rd row, this latest Passport could be worth a look.
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[@richiep.3366]

996K subscribers, can’t wait to see 1 Million. It’s well deserved. Nobody breaks it down as clearly and concisely. Let’s go!!!

[@EnjoySoy]

Am I the only person that *doesn't* want a 14" screen?? Passport is towards the top of my list. Rock solid utility and reliability.

[@blackwhirlwind1245]

I also don’t need 14 inch screen, 12 inch is big enough.

[@xyz-md2mv]

NO screen for me. Traditional gauge cluster, traditional parking brake and transmission lever. 😊

[@juliewenger1354]

I just bought a 2024 Passport. I went to this from a 2005 Jeep Liberty😂. So let's say this was like getting into a spaceship! I could live without all this computer stuff ( do love the heated seat though😊).

[@medicman9053]

Same I hate the huge screens ESPECIALLY ones that intrude into the dash

[@richf.7845]

No, dopes like this only critique a car for a “small”screen becuase others are bigger. It doesn’t matter if the 8” fits or is purposeful enough, if it’s not the biggest it’s “bad.” Such a lazy review.

[@MUISHAGGY572]

No turbo longevity problems, no boring CVT. Legendary Honda V6 paired with a conventional 9 speed transmission. Automakers learn from Honda, stop making everything turbo and cvt.

[@paulbugoni2846]

Including Honda itself…

[@MUISHAGGY572]

@@paulbugoni2846 It looks like Honda can learn from itself 😂😂😂

[@kingvisu]

Actually Turbo's are reliable CX-9 is one of the most reliable vehicles with Turbo

[@paulholterhaus7084]

!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!..........Govt. pressure for more MPG...........Paul

[@paulholterhaus7084]

We'll soon have twin turbo 2 cyl..............Paul

[@keithrodes]

That good ole’ Honda 3.5 V6 😍

[@TonyKimtheamusementparkfan]

I will be very sad once this engine is completely phased out ~~

[@dmack7265]

If this engine was in the Accord, I could get over the new Accord's design.

[@ChristianC-gy1ym]

You people suffer from low IQ. If you want uncomplicated, Honda needs to charge for uncomplicated. 46,000 as tested, gtfoh lol. My fully equipped, GENUINE three row, top trim, all the bells and whistles Palisade was 50 grand. Honda D riders and Honda yall need to get real lol.

[@TonyKimtheamusementparkfan]

@@dmack7265yeah once the 10th generation came that V6 was gone and while that 2.0L turbo 4 from the Acura RDX and Honda Civic Type R is potent the 3.5L J35 V6 is missed.

[@garman7921]

But only direct injection, wish it also had port injection

[@Cornbread-gi6kt]

Absolutely buy now. New future design means mind boggling deals on the current models. A $46,330 price tag can go as low as $36,330 by 2024 year end.

[@khanhvu6969]

The 3.5L vtec V6 is the selling point for me. I have a 2020 EXL. People nowadays focus too much on car accessories and techonogy but for me the balanced and quick drive feeling is important. Yes, Honda's technology and design may be outdated and they are known to be conservative, but I just want a car with a smooth and driving experiece with some a nice engine sound and doesn't have electronic parts breaking down from fancy technonogies. They better keep this engine for as long as possible.

[@matthewflakes1481]

My Mom is 70 and has a 2022 Elite. The technology is simple to use and works great for her.

[@billydanzz]

That's awesome to hear. I can appreciate that as my mom is near that point in life.

[@373axle]

This is quite a sleeper actually, nobody would expect this little SUV to be so quick lol.

[@LicPlate8VPL158]

little?!

[@jakes5530]

There's only one larger midsize SUV around $45k that I can think of which is quicker, the Edge ST. Chevy Blazer comes close, but I think the Passport still edges that out. Luxury models like the X3, Q5, GLC, Stelvio, etc. dont count, as those are considerably smaller.

[@reyd8609]

Function and practicality at it's best. No beauty contest. Perfectly sized for empty nesters who now have time to travel North America.

[@christ9145]

I’ve had a 05 mdx, I traded in my 22 crv for the 23 passport exl and I’m very satisfied. The AWD system is nice, acceleration never an issue, interior is plenty quiet enough, love the visibility, great in the sand and light mud (Florida), mpg is fine considering the v6 and spacious interior! I was torn between this and the Grand Cherokee but after driving this for 5,000 miles I have zero regrets. It might not have the top of the line technology but remote start, Apple CarPlay, android auto, wireless charger, remote trunk release, you’re not missing the essentials 😊it’s a good solid choice for someone that wants reliable and safe fun!

[@paulholterhaus7084]

Grand Cherokee is JUNK........You made good choice..........Paul

[@jakes5530]

Grand Cherokee is definitely tempting in terms of technology and luxury, but their reputation for reliability is piss-poor. Also to get one similarly equipped to even a base $42k Passport EX-L (leather, sunroof, memory seats) costs over $50k in Jeep world.

[@ryanb8736]

These engines are great. Lots of room in these and comfy to drive.

[@8VD80Y]

I love getting on KZbin and seeing a new video upload. Keep going I really appreciate your detailed and in depth reviews 💪🏾

[@TonyKimtheamusementparkfan]

Whenever I hear that amazing 3.5L N/A V6, it makes me happy since this V6 is being phased out in a lot of Honda vehicles. I love that VTEC when it engages as well. Over 30 years of production means it’ll be hella bulletproof~~ ZF 9-speed, not the best transmission but it gets the job done and Honda/Acura definitely tuned the transmission the best compared to like FCA, which felt dreadfully lethargic. Also I still love the interior, however I am one who loves simple interiors, and due to Honda’s conservative nature, I am totally fine with it ~~ 👍👍

[@daveg6530]

I have had my 2019 PP EX-L for 4 years/49k miles -still enjoy it. It is very quiet, stable and comfortable on the road. The V6 really is a gem and makes it a sleeper. I, too, like the simple touchscreen and real HVAC controls vs the giant tablets they are putting in most other cars these days. My only wish (and I know this will never happen) is if they put that V6 in the CR-V or HR-V. Now THAT would be fun.

[@TonyKimtheamusementparkfan]

@@daveg6530Sadly it won’t be, but for people who still want that J35 V6, the current Acura MDX has it, this Passport has it, the Odyssey has it, the Ridgeline has it, and I think that’s it.

[@mattamuskeet]

Imo, this is a great vehicle. Practical, safe, reliable, affordable with good tech and features. Those wanting bigger screens, more tech, hybrids and more black plastic cladding, get a different vehicle. People need to remember you don’t need a bunch of fancy gizmos to get from point A to point B.

[@Rocket9944]

Exactly

[@travisp11]

What you said at the start of your comment is exactly the reason why I am buying a 2024 passport.

[@jeepluv76]

Love my 2014 Accord EXL V6 such a well balanced car.

[@susancurtis3331]

Excellent review! Thank you

[@gnolan4281]

It's such a rare pleasure to be able to effortlessly understand every single articulate & melifluous word spoken by a person with a superb vocabulary, spot on modulation and pitch powered by state of the art sound and video equipment.

[@limitedreach4446]

I’ll be happy when they redesign it on the updated Light Truck Platform that the Pilot rides. This looks ancient in comparison!

[@skowmi5681]

I’ve ridden motorcycles for 40 years and always paid close attention to the road ahead. I don’t need or want a big screen in a motor vehicle distracting my attention from the road. Back up camera is a great feature.

[@Thebusdriverandgamermorefan790]

Amazing job Sofyan.

[@bruceleeroy8302]

I think I will wait for the next gen, or wait until these are massively discounted. They want $45k+ for these new.

[@davewilson7602]

I got a 3 year old one CPO for 30k, I agree the new prices are ridiculous (max 40k imo)

[@MikeJohnson-ej4oc]

@@davewilson7602with how many miles? Surely it’s less cost to buy the used one, but I’m really wondering how much of the vehicle’s “lifespan” has been used prior to your acquisition.

[@obsidyan2000]

I am definitely not going to pay 40k plus

[@kromahj]

45k? I will just buy the 4Runner

[@nateb7793]

slightly used ones are much less!! new passports, odysseys, and ridgelines are all very expensive for some reason and i can’t wrap my head around it

[@gopes23]

Auto start stop and cylinder deactivation is a no go

[@magnoliap5824]

For me wait. To see if technology changes will be made. A good choice for those who want a midsized SUV, don’t need a 3rd row, still want a V6, cargo room and 18” wheels.

[@misterred316]

I really like the new Pilot, but do not have a need for a 3rd row. The Passport is ideal, but I am waiting to see if the next generation will be similar to that of the Pilot as far as tech, exterior, and powertrain is concerned.

[@roadcarver71]

I just ordered a 2024 Sport trim. Coming from a 2007 Odyssey EXL and 2001 Honda Civic. It's a huge upgrade for me. I don't need all the new bells and whistles. I like how this vehicle drives, and I like that it doesn't come with e-brake.

[@ganzonomy]

Buy now, deactivate start stop tech and vcm, enjoy v6 reliability for decades

[@noahboy6349]

Incandescent lights for the price they’re asking for the Honda Passport is ridiculous.

[@danieltaylor4819]

Thinking of buying one of these real soon. Have a 22 CRV, with the buzzy 1.5 turbo and cvt. Looking forward to a smooth running V6 and regular shifting transmission. I couldn't care less about the size of the display or non-led lights. It looks like a comfortable, roomy vehicle for road trips.

[@Mars-mj2vt]

one question, the specs on Honda's website shows a 100.8 cu ft of space in the back with the rear seats down, you mentioned 77 cu ft, which one is correct? Thank you!

[@kevinstrickland1077]

Got a brand new 2024 white passport trailsport picking up in 3-4days cant wait! Traded wifes 2021 crv sport 1.5 l turbo cvt. Been driveing honda since 1998 never without one. My ride is a 2023 ridgeline sport,my last one was a 2019 ridgelin sport. My brother in law says i'm brand sensitive but if you know you know

[@jakes5530]

Hurry and scoop one of these up before Honda eliminates the VTEC crossover all together. Odyssey and Ridgeline will still have it (until their redesigns) but not on the Passport's redesign in 2025.

[@nomeric5643]

I got a 19 touring model, i love it still and il wait till something better in the passport models come through since its nearly the same

[@1958zed]

I have a 2020 Passport Elite AWD and love it. You must have a lead foot because i get 19 to 21 mpg in mixed driving around San Diego, and if i set the cruise control at the speed limit (65-70), I can get 26-28 mpg on the highway. The 9-inch display in my car is plenty big. Our eyes should be on the road, not 14-inches of all choices. Lastly, if Honda is marketing the Passport as off-road capable, they should put a couple of recovery / tow points on the bumpers.

[@vangtk10]

I sat in one of these at the auto show and to my surprise, it’s one of my favorite cars from the show. It’s amazing how much room there is compared to the new Pilot. I can get over the outdated tech or lack thereof. That just means less things to fix down the road. And it has a V6 with 9-speed? I love Teslas but if I had to buy an ICE car, this is it.

[@Cornbread-gi6kt]

Hondas lasts many years when serviced regularly. You can’t go wrong with any Honda product. You say old, but I’ve seen 1995 Honda vehicles on the highways. Driving cross country never feels better, safer and reliable when driving a any year Honda SUV.👍

[@upstatebernie4827]

2006 Pilot with 290k miles here 👍

[@sansinutube]

When is the next generation passport due?

[@jjsupadupa2278]

Love it!!! ❤❤❤

[@westnash]

This vehicle w/ the V-6 should be an absolute home run for Honda but they keep jiggering it to offroad and stupid expensive options that the average person does not need or even want. Keep the V-6. Use the most modern transmission. Focus on the majority of buyers who use it on road 99% of the time and keep the price reasonable and you will sell all you can make.

[@ryanb8736]

They are updating it with new engine, transmission and more tech. Unfortunately price will go up 5k extra.

[@ryanb8736]

People want off road versions because it makes them feel safe hitting curbs and potholes. Safe in snow too.

[@ryanb8736]

They have a Black Edition for more money which is not off-road.

[@noneya135]

I much prefer the smaller display in my 2023 Ridgeline compared to the massive screens in other vehicles. I’m looking to upgrade to the 2024 for the revised and quicker infotainment system. The 2023 model year one is sluggish and the panel used in it’s not the best. That’s my only complaint about the infotainment system. I believe the screens are getting to be too big.

[@Black_Cats_Of_War]

I dont know why people are comparing the passport to the pilot. Although, I think they should offer the same features even though they are different in size.

[@whatsupdude]

thoughts on passport vs rdx?

[@mikespies786]

My wife and I, both in our mid-50s, particularly appreciate the "old-school" layout of the Passport, which was a key factor in our decision to purchase this vehicle. In an era where distracted driving, such as texting while driving, is a major concern, we find it counterintuitive to see so many manufacturers increasing vehicle settings via touchscreen, like the VW Atlas Cross Sport. Being able to adjust frequently used settings such as temperature using well-placed, familiar knobs or buttons not only makes it intuitive but, in our opinion, safer and far more functional. Touchscreens can be fickle to operate, causing drivers to take their eyes off the road, and the cost of a replacement screen, post-warranty, can be prohibitive. We also find some touchscreens to be too large, extending well above the dashboard and, in our opinion, looking a little out of place. We are not looking to have an iPad Pro mounted to our dash. That said, we admit the Passport touchscreen is on the small side, but it tucks nicely into the dash and does what it needs to do. Additionally, the engine, albeit an old design, provides a level of reliability and predictability to ownership, giving us peace of mind in our purchase. Choosing to buy a 2024 model ahead of the much-anticipated redesign in 2025 was a very intentional choice on our part. I appreciate your easy-going, candid approach, production quality, and the wealth of accurate information you provide in each video. Looking forward to seeing more!

[@garynapoli3042]

I traded in my 23 Honda pilot sport with the disappointing, non-VTEC. It went a step backwards, old school, 24 passport, black edition. I’d really wish it got the updated screen the Ridgeline has and that silky smooth 10 speed great combination found in the minivan.

[@Silverboy005]

The screen is fine.

[@WScott-gd2mj]

eager to see 2025 update matching new pilot interior

[@conniefoxx9813]

I so appreciate the smaller displays.....if I see a big display which I find distracting, I just move to a different vehicle or different year. Not going to invest that much money into something I would hate to see on my dash every day.

[@NJSlabaugh]

Dear Honda: please, please make those fat exhaust tips an option on the Pilot. Pretty please.

[@billydanzz]

Over 40k for the automotive equivalent of a household appliance??? Can't wait for 20 or so years from now when the average new vehicle price reaches 100k.

[@ryanb8736]

It’s called inflation. Stimulus checks and war made it climb. Poor administration makes it even worse.

[@trevorryan403]

Love the main concept of the Passport with V6 engine, tall & wide 2-row, and off-road capability. But Honda desperately needs to get it redesigned. The exterior design is very dated, being copy/pasted in 2019 off of the 3rd Gen (2015) Pilot. This is the second refresh with very few updates. Sadly, the Passport represents everything I want, but in an outdated package.

[@nathannataatmadja3349]

I'd take this over Pilot, CRV, and even HRV.

[@williamyates5863]

huge miss on the tech. Better screen and wireless carplay and I would definitely consider more strongly

[@winstondeocampo699]

I agree that the side view looks like they chopped off too much from the back.

[@kickflip407]

That is actually the old steering wheel. The new one on the pilot is different.

[@hi-line8195]

the screen and no wireless CarPlay deal breaker

[@yadavdhakal2656]

Nice car ❤❤❤❤❤🙏

[@tonelocrian]

If you're really focused on your driving, should the size of the screen really be a dealbreaker ? NO. I like the integrated mini screen. At least it does not obstruct your view of the road.

[@moisetopaz]

There's a sport mode. You need to depress the drive mode a second time, and it shifts to sport.

[@bobvance-]

As a 23 trailsport owner im kind of butthurt the new ones get better tires.

[@BCJDM]

I would just wait for the new Passport based on the new Pilot, the huge improvements are worth it and for those who don't want a 3 row it'll be a good option. If Honda doesn't discontinue it

[@arielmischa8136]

i'm not from the USA, but i'm curious, does the Passport sell well there? or not?

[@theodoresweet3610]

@@arielmischa8136it’s no where near as popular as the Pilot or CRV but it sells decently well

[@davewilson7602]

@@arielmischa8136it’s not that unpopular but it’s also not that common. Maybe 1/3 the amount of pilots sold?

[@chaarleess]

​@@arielmischa8136It's selling pretty well with almost 40k units this year

[@travisp11]

@@arielmischa8136I can’t speak for the rest of the USA but where I live in eastern Nebraska our local Honda dealer sells their Passports and Pilots quickly.

[@_k911]

This would’ve been my Jetta CC Atlas Cross Sport Arteon 5th time with Volkswagen, but after this last stint with them, I crossed over to the 24 Honda Passport Trail Sport. I now own a vehicle that will go to hell and back. I would never own a VW for free…👍🏼

[@agentd36]

The shape or design of the vehicle is my issue. Front and rear view looks great. Side view gives me weird equinox, batters helmet, half van vibes.

[@tomhockman6267]

I like the Passport but really want a hybrid drivetrain version. I've been disappointed at Honda's non-existent extension of hybrid technology to its truck line. Toyota has about a decade lead, which is unacceptable. I have a 23 Ridgeline currently and like it, but next time my choice will have to have a hybrid engine.

[@davewilson7602]

Supposedly they’re coming out with hybrid light trucks soon, we’ll see because I agree. Love my passport but I wouldn’t buy another car with this low mpg

[@ryanb8736]

Nobody wants a 4 cylinder in this though.

[@ryanb8736]

Get a Toyota RAV4 Prime SE. 80mpg. And only 50k. Made in Japan too. Only complaint is engine sounds awful because it’s a 4 cylinder.

[@ozzierabbit587]

I notice Consumer Reports had this to say about the Passport: "There isn’t a good reason to choose the Honda Passport over the two better SUVs that Honda already makes-the smaller CR-V and the larger, three-row Pilot. We enjoyed the Passport’s plentiful power and roomy, two-row interior, but we were put off by its stiff ride, ponderous handling, and overall bland demeanor".

[@Omaba_Baba]

Brother, i love your reviews. Can you walk normally though, please? You make me nervous with your strategic pause-walk pace. Creeps me out xD

[@medicman9053]

I used to love leather seats but now that I’m thinking about getting a dog I’m not sure if I want that anymore

[@jkenn8973]

said the gauge cluster is from 2010, came out in 2017

[@jkenn8973]

also, the touchscreen is over 8 inches, not 7

[@jernigan007]

trailsport vs black edition. im on the fence ! trailsport is $4k cheaper

[@richardsanders3750]

Why did Honda ditch v-teck???

[@ryanb8736]

Emissions.

[@MikeJohnson-ej4oc]

I’m not digging the black bezel on the infotainment screen. Just a personal preference.

[@hhch2]

It's almost like they didn't spend any money updating the interior at all.

[@ryanb8736]

everyone complained about arm rests. So they fixed it. Next model loses the Vtec engine and puts in the 10 speed that many are having issues with. So Honda is holding off now.

[@xxxpensive1415]

Sounds like dohc a now 😁

[@bryy2053]

"Ugly" phone wires? Thats an interesting perspective or the world

[@ryanb8736]

You can add in aftermarket wireless.

[@gm12551]

It’s Sofyan. It’s expected. You get used to it after 12 years.

[@bdawg8907]

S/b wireless CarPlay and charging for a 2024 😕

[@Rocket9944]

You want the high beam to be incandescent you can see better

[@ryanb8736]

Ah. Someone who actually has real knowledge.

[@drift3rkid66]

I'd say buy now!! Because most likely, the 2025 will be doing away with the V6!!

[@LoveLikeaHurricane]

for something like this they need a full size spare.

[@ms3ben]

6.0 0-60 is very respectable for a car like this and with crappy CVT and or 4-banger turbo that falls off at higher rpm and sounds like crap.

[@Demosthenas]

Good engine, nice package. But please people.. don't take this thing off road. It's a grocery runner.

[@JBLynch]

No, the screen size is fine. Quit touching stuff while you're driving and pay attention to what you're doing. What Honda really needs to do is focus on QUALITY rather than digitize or computer chip anything else in their new builds. Bring back the Honda simplicity. Best Honda I ever owned was a 1998 Civic hatchback CX that was so basic I had to pay to have AC installed. The thing was a TANK. Miss that car so much.

[@user-3tf67bk46u]

Needs a CD player, centre vents that turn off, port injection, cable parking brake, and lose the cyl deactivation. I like the oldness, the new one will definitely be a non starter for me. I think it's quite handsome. It'd be even quicker with 17" rims, probably ride a bit better too. Does that left side center vent slide to the right to turn off? That'd be better than nothing. Can't beat an infinitely adjustable rotary wheel to adjust amount of air flow though..and don't place them where you can't make it not blow cold air on your arthritic hands. Hope to check one out soon, can you even buy one and take it home in 🇨🇦?

[@mervinprone]

Long live J35!

[@SUR5M]

Not testing the off ride capabilities was such a miss for this review. The Fast Lane Car actually put it through various tests and the passport did pretty damn good. His overall review seemed more satisfied than yours.

[@paulholterhaus7084]

I've read elsewhere that in sand mode 70% power goes to the rear........For those of Us that enjoy RWD, Can We run sand mode ALL the time..????.................Paul

[@dygardion9130]

Screens twice this size is ridiculous

[@lisabrooks844]

Why would one want a huge computer screen in their car? I don't understand.

[@Slim1986]

New Passport coming 2025

[@loreesmith9495]

You sure didn’t like this. I love Honda. Why need a big screen. No need a distraction watch tv at home.

[@Emanxiii]

first

[@DevThDude]

All this cost cutting and they still charging 50k. Send me out to pasture.

[@DevThDude]

A 10 year old grand cherokee is better equipped than this thing.

[@samuelwh4775]

The fact that I decided to go for a Tiguan instead of this, the Tiguan is nicer in almost every way but the engine is a huge let down

[@TylerShorris]

All that space with tri-zone climate control and no third row seating is laughable.

[@pharag4886]

Honda is slacking. Hyundai offers so much more at the same price point.

[@envision2k]

More? Maybe more headaches in a few years. Hyundai cars don't last and don't hold their value like Hondas. Do you have an iPhone, Samsung or an LG? Because LG offers way more at the same price point, and they are no longer selling phones in the US because their quality control was terrible.

[@bdawg8907]

I’d pay more for Honda reliability

[@pharag4886]

@@bdawg8907 a fool and his money will soon be parted.

[@bdawg8907]

@@pharag4886 resale on a Honda is far better than a Hyundai, so I’d pay more and retain more value.

[@spursdynasty7378]

Hondas have better engines and transmissions that last longer. Look at their weak underpowered engines and their dual clutch tranny isn't the best either that's what my mechanic says 😢

[@jul5385]

I had a 2022 Elite. The only thing this car stands out is the n/a V6. Other than that it is dated and overpriced. Not worth buying a new one. And not to mention there will be a complete redesign for 2025 most likely. The depreciation of this car is really bad, probably the worst of the entire Honda product line. So find a lightly used one and save 10+ grands.

[@richf.7845]

It doesn’t have a 36” screen so it’s “dated?” Shut up.

[@jeffr6280]

If you ever wondered what Honda does when they have a bunch of old stuff to get rid of.....it ALL goes into the Passport 🙄.

[@bobbowie9350]

Overall, honda styling in a slump. Bean counters won out.

[@jasonme3557]

Outside the engine this car is dull boring and the infosystem is a complete Joke. But honda knows the running gear is good so I might get one. But need to know... direct injection so that will require a valve job in 75k and the timing is a belt not a chain

[@bradh6185]

The combination of LED and incandescent looks good. It would be even better with all incandescent. LED is fake, ugly, and unhealthy. The small screen is good. I don't understand why these guys scream for bigger screens. The old tried and true engine is reassuring. If they would just give this old school Honda a quiet cabin, it would be my choice.

[@michealofori8614]

It's sad how in 2024, Honda would manufacture such a dated vehicle. This car screams "2015 model, please redesign me!"

[@RayanMADAO]

Outdated interior

[@richf.7845]

Everone who jumps in my 21 Touring compliments me on the vehicle me interior, so much for lazy reviewers who say it’s “outdated.”

[@tobor58]

Nope. Won’t be buying this after THOT.

[@ryanb8736]

What would you buy instead?