Position 5: Jakiro, Crystal Maiden, Ogre Magi Position 4: Hoodwink, Tusk, Earthshaker Posiiton 3: Legion Commander, Lycan, Necrophos Position 2: Leshrac, Tiny, Any 3 Spirits (Ember recommended) Position 1: Wraith King, Luna, Terrorblade
@artyompopov7741 Жыл бұрын
TB 2 learn pos 1? Whaaaa?
@Strider22 жыл бұрын
Timestamps 01:05 - Safe lane support (Position 5) 04:32 - Hard lane support (Position 4) 06:43 - Offlane (Position 3) 10:28 - Midlane (Position 2) 13:10 - Carry (Position 1)
@ezwindota Жыл бұрын
thanks :)
@amirzoraqi6110 Жыл бұрын
Valve should add you as the next agility hero :). Thanks to both BSJ for making this incredible piece of content and you. ❤️❤️
@chikahitorochill3853 Жыл бұрын
Take my like good sir
@TheIconOfDrip2 жыл бұрын
An underrated hero for the 4/5 position no matter the patch has got to be Shadow Shaman for me. The hero can teach you so much in that position such as positioning, target focus/cc, tower pushing, roshan timings, ratting, space making etc. He has everything that you could want as a support really and is pretty easy to start spamming at little risk. Ive played 100 games of shaman straight and he is easily my favorite hero of all time to play in any patch or position.
@mickytananu59082 жыл бұрын
What's shadow shaman. I only know techies...
@scottbeale18252 жыл бұрын
BSJ called picking SS 5 as "griefing" in a recent video, so I don't think he'd pick him as an example lol
@Cain_692 жыл бұрын
- What is your rank?
@TheIconOfDrip2 жыл бұрын
@@Cain_69 legend 3
@whatdothlife46602 жыл бұрын
Shadow Shaman has my highest winrate. I love how hard he hits with right-clicks in the laning stage. And the healing from Shackles is a really nice little buff.
@exredux38802 жыл бұрын
I haven't played in 8 years. Just getting back to the game now because I have more free time IRL. These videos are coming at the perfect time for me. Thanks for helping the new players.
@milklover28302 жыл бұрын
Just please don’t start playing ranked.
@jonathanlawrence6868 Жыл бұрын
@@milklover28308 years? He’s gonna have to play 100 hours unranked to unlock it anyway. Just relax. Even if he did play ranked and get in your game you just need to focus on yourself. It’s not your team that’s holding you back bro
@psd993 Жыл бұрын
@@jonathanlawrence6868 holding back from what? most people dont play ranked to become pros. They play it to get more or less evenly matched teams with may be slowly improving as a bonus.
@fifofuko18642 жыл бұрын
pos5-4 playing them well require super high iq. it's frustrating to know that you aren't doing well while you are playing. the skill cap for those roles are so high and that's why I always avoid playing them. to avoid my own frustration. pos3: sk, seer, tide, axe, mars. i feel like I can do every flex there is with especially sand king and dark seer. pos2: the opponent is VERY likely to be more skilled than me so it's best to avoid playing that. pos1: luna, pl, naix, ursa, jugg. can play sacrificial, can get greedy, can play the objective, can jack off in jungle. can always call to end the game, can always play for the next fight
@tfk23282 жыл бұрын
Oh wow. I always play pos4-5 because I felt that 3,2 and 1 have the most impact through the game and I'm not confident and don't want to flunk those roles. Bear in mind I'm just a noob so getting a nice play with bane is enough to give me a taste of heaven
@DemetryN Жыл бұрын
@@tfk2328 Pos 4-5 have very little resources, so their plays have a lot less room for mistakes. You die 5+ times midgame and you basically can't even enter a fight anymore cause you will die from enemy glancing at you. And if you take more farm to catch up in exp and get those items for survivabilty you might grief your cores especially if your team is restricted in space to farm already At core role you basically need to learn a hero (same depth as support) and learn to not waste time when u could be farming. Also to not fuck up first 5-10 minutes of lasthitting and after that it just the same dota
@stoneocean47602 жыл бұрын
wait this isnt jenkins
@jpenn96352 жыл бұрын
You forgot about role 6: jungler
@jakoblindblad1912 жыл бұрын
Congrats on the win against Arkosh. Super fun to follow u guys play!
@purpleenthusiast58142 жыл бұрын
have they qualified? forgot to watch lol
@xdelbarrio2 жыл бұрын
@@purpleenthusiast5814 not yet, today they play upper bracket semis and they need top 2 to qualify
@ggezlolxd2 жыл бұрын
@@xdelbarrio will they stream it and when?
@xdelbarrio2 жыл бұрын
@@ggezlolxd yesterday they didnt stream, and I watched a bit of BSJ stream after and he said they think they play better without streaming so I think they wont stream their perspectives today Their games will still be streamed by a caster Im pretty sure, I think fear was actually streaming yesterday games and slacks too but that was more for the arkosh vs ex-arkosh thing For the time of the games Im not sure, I would check liquidpedia or reddit which I think has a post with the times
@ggezlolxd2 жыл бұрын
@@xdelbarrio thank you 💙
@GadBoDag2 жыл бұрын
I ain't never heard nobody pronounce "magi" like that
@Nesot2 жыл бұрын
really?
@GadBoDag2 жыл бұрын
@@Nesot yeah, it's pronounced "MAH-jy" the plural of "magus"
@EyebrowsGaming2 жыл бұрын
I call him Ogre McGee as a goof, but I agree Majai is a weird pronunciation
@Nopanop2 жыл бұрын
I pronounce maggi
@darukona72182 жыл бұрын
@@GadBoDag well he calls himself mahjai so yeah
@mikehoncho1005 Жыл бұрын
I just started playing DotA a month ago, I switched over from League after 10 years. I feel like I've been doing pretty good because of my moba experience but there's a lot I still need to learn. I'm currently playing all the heroes I haven't played yet A-Z so I can have a basic understanding of what they all do. Would you be interested in a coaching session? I think it would be good content to see how well a 10 year League veteran can do in DotA as a new player.
@croatoan-t-g2 жыл бұрын
Fell like pos 3 is missing the "well I suck at laning but we get them in the midgame" big teamfight heroes that teach u to play around ultimates Also I feel like jugg should be on the carry list cause jugg is the single. most forgiving hero for New players.
@daviddajic1450 Жыл бұрын
Teach us about team compositions. By that I mean everything hahahah : * Generic team compositions and how they behave. How to form such a composition in the draft ? How to identify the team comp while in the draft / How to counter the enemy picks (this was covered in your video from before). * For what to look in the draft (so for each role you have an option which playstyle we lack/I need to cover and. So 3 or more playstyles , of course more but you get the general idea). * How does the team's timing strength depend based from the picked composition or carry & support synergy. Thank you
@jasperwoodard81342 жыл бұрын
I'm not sure about Tusk for low level pos 4. Maybe it's good for teaching the fundamentals, but expect to lose a lot. Honestly, at low levels I think pos 4 should just be a tankier pos 5 with some split push. Tree or shadow shaman maybe.
@darukona72182 жыл бұрын
Agreed
@scottbeale18252 жыл бұрын
Agreed. Pos 4 at low levels is basically just a pos 5 who buys fewer wards
@starseeker18292 жыл бұрын
I think out of the roamer melee 4's tiny is the easiest but it's probably different for everyone
@chifriun8555 Жыл бұрын
I'd love a more detailed guide of any of the supports. Thanks for the great video!
@lightningdavid5283 Жыл бұрын
Very informative. You so good man! I just got back to playing dota 2 and I am shocked at all of the changes.
@arjunsuresh42862 жыл бұрын
I think Sf is still underrated tbh in mid lane. Usually before sf really had issues with scaling later into the game cuz he had no mobility. But rn his lvl 25 talent (attack damage +raze) just makes it waay more viable especially with arcane blink. Yes I'm archon and not some divine/immo player. But for those who want to gain MMR through mid lane then play sf. Having a 15 win streak with the hero. Just build threads Lance/sb(depends if ur crushing) bkb silver/daedelus(depending on line up) arcane blink. U get arcane blink by the time u get 25. Then u get a hex. Blow people up. Literally 2 razes kill supports. Disclaimer: this build is only for people below divine skill level.
@DuduRossetto Жыл бұрын
Amazing content! I've been playing dota for years, never going over the 4k threshhold. Been thinking about getting a bit tryhard and push back to that 4k line, mainly playing pos 5-3. Thanks a lot!
@kevorkyijan1182 жыл бұрын
died 7 times in the first 12minutes of my last game as Naga ...but once i had manta and travel boots i pretty much pushed lanes to victory .Was being flamed by my pos3 and mid full time , with reason we won but i ended the game with 0k 7d 13a and 980xpm 800gmp....i still need to understand how to not die on naga tbh 😐
@takecourage922 жыл бұрын
Great list but surprised not to see any teamfight / initiator archetype 3s in the list e.g. Mars or Axe. Not only are they fun to play, I'd say that's a pretty important skill for offlaners who are learning the game.
@whatdothlife46602 жыл бұрын
Isn't Legion just that?
@LuckyBamboo22 жыл бұрын
Please make an Ember guide!
@WoobertAIO Жыл бұрын
Gotta love the way BSJ pronounces Ogre Magi lmao
@krakenbetah5463 Жыл бұрын
Thanks BSJ this is sick I’ve wanted this for some time my supports are close enough some are different but now I feel more comfortable dabbling with carry
@SuperThunderPanda Жыл бұрын
so these are not to be confused with "top 3 best heroes for each role this patch" but overall good to have in hero pool and for teaching you dota concepts
@mariuszwieczorkiewicz8130 Жыл бұрын
Hi i decided to switch from LoL to Dota 2 and your videos are very helpful ! Thanks for your awesome job man !. A lot have changed in dota 2 since that video, is this list still relevant ? Especially for pos 2 and pos 1 ?
@mehrbauer20602 жыл бұрын
What helped me to learn about roles is to play one hero in all five positions and adapt itemization/skillbuild accordingly. For me it's VS, but I guess there are some others out there that could work as well.
@4444RioT2 жыл бұрын
I think very few heroes would work as well as VS if you gotta take them to all five positions.
@incoma66282 жыл бұрын
recipe for a disaster :) try cm as a carry and get ready to lose a game :)
@HeshoCopter2 жыл бұрын
dear bsj thank you so much for the every single piece of educational content you make sense it helps new and old players alike in a lot of different ways please keep up the amazing work . and thank you so much for your efforts ^_^
@quaweds2 жыл бұрын
For offlane i would have put someone in there who is a tank. whether it be BB, Cent, Mars or Tide. All pretty straight forward.
@BarrowsBOY2 жыл бұрын
As a relatively new player myself I would never recommend Lycan or Legion to new players. Lycan's micro and Legion's large amount of active use items make them fairly difficult for new players. For experienced players learning the role, sure.
@charlielauve9899 Жыл бұрын
As a Pango Spammer, I can understand why he isn't here, but I would have loved to see him mentioned for 2, 3 or 4
@Stealth-162 жыл бұрын
That leshrac smoke clip was nuts.
@DrivetheParkway2 жыл бұрын
Would love to see a guide on visage!
@ayannandi2352 жыл бұрын
Big fan... Learned a lottttt from you
@HAYDS510Ай бұрын
There was a lot of vocabulary in this I haven’t really encountered yet
@chumbogrosso51332 жыл бұрын
I have tried Ember Spirit for about 30games now. I just cannot make this hero work
@maicee76032 жыл бұрын
what about snowball carry heroes like CK and Ursa?
@P4r4lyz3r Жыл бұрын
I find Dark Seer best Jungler for a while now
@BurkaMurka Жыл бұрын
Is the intro music by sweeps?
@Cyb3rHusky2 жыл бұрын
The background for this video is my wallpaper and I got really confused for a bit
@Witafrikanerboerseun Жыл бұрын
Dear BSJ, are these hero suggestions still relevant with the new map changes introduced recently?
@DirectorGianelli Жыл бұрын
how did u get that map look?
@auto1nfanticid32 жыл бұрын
I think your last two recommendations for pos 2 are bad. tiny and the spirits get harassed out of lane too easily and have too many bad matchups. sure they can pop off, but it requires too much skill imo. they are also ganker heroes, which means you can to rely on your allies to some degree, and if you miss or mess up ganks you can straight out lose your lane to a hero (like lesh) that just farmed and pushed your t1 down. You also need a good balance of ganking movements and farming to make these heroes work. It would be redundant, but honestly i would recommend necro to a new mid player, for the same reasons he is good as pos 3. Many common pos 3's are actually more reliable for pos 2, compared to the flimsy, high skill spirits. strength heroes especially can make the lane much more forgiving e.g. DK and his endless regen. Reminder: this is in the context of suggestions to a new player, of course tiny and the spirits are amazing heroes for the role, depending on the situation.
@varshithreddy9355 Жыл бұрын
Bsj could you make a guide on ember spirit?
@ottomann48462 жыл бұрын
Hey BSJ, how does ogre clear creep waves?
@emberhydra2 жыл бұрын
What weapon are those on terror blade?
@henrikgr952 жыл бұрын
Tide? Big ult boii that is almost guaranteed to get it off. Great for beginners to the role or game
@dominykaszukas19152 жыл бұрын
This should be Dota2 bible.
@Houlgravely2 жыл бұрын
Going by this video, Spiritbreaker should be the strongest mid pick of all time.
@imbalizzardguy94502 жыл бұрын
Inlove with your works
@jasperno Жыл бұрын
I really enjoyed your videos, thanks for helping me be a better dota2 player and increase my MMR.
@zonyzhao4692 жыл бұрын
How do u play TB in these patches? I find him almost unplayable. The lane is strong, but into mid to late game, all his damage ability is the 50 damage from the metamorph. And that's all, he doesnt have blink either. Sunder cant do shit to BKB and lotus. This hero must play actively and win early to mid game.
@UchihaEntertainment2 жыл бұрын
Never leave lane on 5
@garysalazar52792 жыл бұрын
this is a really excellent video!
@xiujk712 жыл бұрын
why does razor and riki belongs to "Get out of my games"? 😅
@robix6m2 жыл бұрын
check explanation in bsj Hero Tier list video from yesterday
@KingPhilippp Жыл бұрын
riki support is broken
@Omar-rt1hy2 жыл бұрын
What about Ursa for pos 1 & Slardar for pos 3?
@zakaryhoage57702 жыл бұрын
I feel like micro-ing illusion hero’s is the big step for most players in this game. I haven’t tried any of them, because they frankly seem way more difficult to take advantage of than a “normal” hero. I look forward to the day I master Naga (or even attempt) as being able to split push like that is OBVIOUSLY the most powerful thing in a game like this. One day I’ll understand how to control multiple illusions 😊
@lenardpar5922 Жыл бұрын
Oh geR MAJay
@RuRu0091 Жыл бұрын
Pos5/4 in archon to legend Hide in base when games starting hard And blaming core to die alot while trying to farm
@SuperThunderPanda Жыл бұрын
wow Necrophos is really a risky choice, i'd always rather go viper
@elciddoto Жыл бұрын
Wow! awesome video fartsj haha Pls do a carry guide for Terrorblade plsss
@xaviergonzalez7681 Жыл бұрын
thanks Wagamama
@SuperThunderPanda Жыл бұрын
hmm no utility aura builders in pos3 like tide
@Larph13 Жыл бұрын
I don’t know man Ogre usage in lower ranks are kinda hit or miss. Most ogre support, if I don’t play him, kinda misuses him and resorts to farming and becoming a core rather than being a pure support.
@rsyarza2 жыл бұрын
thank you
@sir_dinkle2 жыл бұрын
nice video sir
@RightAIopen4 ай бұрын
Show the items you are talking about.
@StarryNightSky5872 жыл бұрын
omg do not advertise necro3, you dont even know how badly low mmr goes with those offlane necro, naked radi first builds :( what I love: play "unloved" heroes like SD,. very often ppl are not used to playing against them regularly - and especially with Q you can surprise over eager carries quite a bit
@judgementofkira8966 Жыл бұрын
One could say he Lycan him alot, I'll see myself out.
@Wttanz Жыл бұрын
I bet this was really helpful but I’m a moron and am still lost as can be
@JohnPaulBuce Жыл бұрын
why u call my boi ogre majai 😆
@mikaelrobitaille5800 Жыл бұрын
had time to watch the entire video before i got a game :(
@KidTrigger2 жыл бұрын
I disagree with mid sf and invoker should be on it cuz miracle plays it and miracle it’s he best dota player in the world kuro is holding him back if nigma didn’t have kuro nigma would of won all the tis from ti9
@dangychoice78002 жыл бұрын
Since you were hovering over it, I wish you recommended Ember Spirit pos 4 over maelstrom Hoodwink
@DemetryN Жыл бұрын
Go for wex Invoker 4, suuuuuure
@marvinandres49522 жыл бұрын
ogre majay!!!!
@kylematthiesen4097 Жыл бұрын
Ogre my guy
@BrunoBaltazar32 жыл бұрын
ogre majai enjoyer here
@whatdothlife46602 жыл бұрын
M’Ogre (tips Fluffy Hat)
@calvinlyngdoh8512 жыл бұрын
Who is BSJ's DOTA waifu? Can anyone guess? hehe...😉
@strikestorm2 жыл бұрын
Fart fart fart
@skepsisrollins17112 жыл бұрын
Bad language
@ErteiAblaou Жыл бұрын
comment!!!!
@mattripodi6187 Жыл бұрын
comment
@ricardozamora1696 Жыл бұрын
yeah no, i gues ill stick to the new pokemon unite lol to much stuff