The 5.7 Hemis Are Having Common Major Failures, How and Why?

[@ArnoldsDesign]

Sounds like we need a class action lawsuit against FCA. These trucks are too damn expensive to have a company sweep this under the rug.

[@semiauto3148]

Makes me want to go trade my 2015 ram in before all this happens

[@ArnoldsDesign]

@@semiauto3148 Me too. I wonder if the 6.2L in the 2500 is any better.

[@ArnoldsDesign]

@@barfoom Doesn't sound encouraging, but I believe it.

[@semiauto3148]

I doubt anything chevy makes is any better, their transmissions are bad...

[@ArnoldsDesign]

@@semiauto3148 Guess I'll get a horse.

[@kenmgregory]

It's time for a recall or Class Action Suit! Too many people have been screwed by this. Please contact the NHTSA and file a complaint. I also filed a report with FCA (Chrysler) and of course they said our truck was out of warranty and refused to help. The only recourse is a recall or lawsuit. They knew what they were doing when they built this trash.

[@1967davethewave]

Then what do you say to all the owner's of Chevy 5.3's that have the exact same issue? Look, engines are universally considered to be past their mechanical limits at 100k miles. I know this is annoying but the factory only has a legal obligation to make the engine last a certain amount of time. Almost every engine has some sort of problem as it gets over 100k miles. Ford 5.4 will eat up it's cam phasers, most of the OHC VVT engines will eat up their timing chains or phasers. If you want more than 100k miles out of your engine then be prepared to replace the parts that fail. A bad cam isn't a total engine failure.

[@merrittmcdowell8675]

@@1967davethewave the 4.0 was a gods gift to reliability

[@timg185]

@@1967davethewaveunless your a mechanic a new cam and lifters. Plus any other damage that may have occurred as a result of this cost nearly as much as an engine. You use to get 300,000 miles easily on a well maintained engine. With some fairly minor repairs of course. Buying a truck is like taking out a mortgage and they don’t last long. 100,000 has never nor should ever be the standard .

[@1967davethewave]

@@timg185 I am a mechanic and I currently work at a utility company. Our main vehicle is the Ford F550 with the 6.7 diesel. The early ones, from 2010 to 2012 were prone to dropping valve seats well before 100k miles which caused a catastrophic failure, the seemed to get that ironed out but starting with the 2017 or 18 models we've had a problem with the 6.7 eating lifters and destroying cams. But since you mentioned getting 300k miles let's go back to the 6.4 diesel from 2008 and 09, you were lucky to get 100k out of them without total failure, that's why Ford only sold them for a couple of years. What about the 6.0 diesel that came right before that? Well, it's very well known that without some pretty good upgrades like ARP head studs and pretty major work to the high pressure common rail oiling system the engines were unusable by 75k miles. From 2006 to 2012 GM produced the 3.6 "High Feature" V6 that is very well known to have timing chain failures at around 100k. Now in 2013 they supposedly corrected it but that's 7 model years of engines in everything from Pontian G6's to Cadillac CTS's. Go back a couple of years earlier and Chrysler was producing the 2.7 V6, and engine very well known to have massive oil consumption problems by 75k miles. Go back to the 1990's, have you ever heard of the Cadillac Northstar engine? They have head gasket failures at a rate of about 80% from 1995 all the way into the early 2000's by 100k or so miles. And these were put into high end Cadillacs. The repair was very expensive and it has devastated the value of all of the cars on the used car market. Sure, a well maintained 318 or Chev 350 or Ford 300 six will last 300k miles. But for every hero I can name at least 2 zeros.

[@timg185]

@@1967davethewave you have just help make my point. Modern engines cost to much and are unreliable. Up until 2006 people made fun of Chevy because they used old tech. Meaning push rod engines. But that was design that had been around 100 years. It was reliable. If you had a bad lifter or a broken rocker arm. It didn’t destroy the entire engine. Trucks have $250,000 miles and still cost $25,000. Ford , Chevy and Dodge could all do better. They don’t care as long as the truck makes it through the warranty period. I don’t expect engine to run trouble free forever. But you use to be able to repair engines. Now your better off replacing the engine instead of fixing it. We pay to much for these trucks to have to deal with that.

[@jbj27406]

Well-founded, scientific approach to the diagnosis. Clear, intelligent, articulate delivery of the findings. Excellent video. I'd want this guy as my mechanic.

[@noneya6334]

not science, he is a mechanic that takes a engineering approach

[@mauricedavis7235]

What is the fix for this

[@captainbart]

Really? A kid who thinks an engine is a motor? You need a mechanic....any mechanic. Just bring your wallet.......

[@jbj27406]

@@captainbart As he states in his header, he realizes that he's reviewing a common issue in "the new Hemi 5.7 engines". However, if you've ever been around any forum or group of racing, muscle car or sports car enthusiasts, you should know that the term "motor" is universally used to refer to the powerplants in all cars, motorcycles, etc. Technically, the internal combustion engine is literally an engine because it is a heat engine. Technically, a motor is a motive device, such as an electric motor, not a heat engine. But if you've never heard anyone refer to the "motive device" in a Cobra or a Corvette as a "motor", then you're way out of touch with the accepted colloquial terminology. Never watched a race on television? If you're trying to suggest that the kid is not smart because he fails to comprehend the technicalities of the physics terminology involved, you're not only wrong, you're just trying to be a dick. Which you've well proven. His presentation is bright, right on the money, and speaks for itself.

[@GearHeadsGarageChannel]

@@captainbart Please tell me why EVERY case and bottle of engine oil is labeled "Motor Oil" then? lol your just being a dick.

[@atrod9]

Just got the flattened cam lobe diagnosis today in our 2013 Grand Cherokee 5.7. Also was well maintained, quality synthetic oil changes every 5k, all factory scheduled maintenance. Had a misfire in cylinder 4 that triggered the diagnosis.

[@bradhardy2629]

The engine is full of metal shavings now . It needs a Total rebuild. New Comp cams. Roller Rockers , Cam & lifters . Ect.

[@manuelkorivu3966]

Does the symptom include vehicule/motor shaking while driving, pressing gas pedal?

[@Nickel8237]

Weve had Chargers with the hemi in our police fleet, every one had to have the cam and lifters replaced. Here's what I got from my research; Under normal conditions, this problem is relatively rare in the hemi. But, in 2 classes of vehicles it is common and those being police service and oil field exploration. The techs I've read evaluations from say that in those situations the high amount of idle time leads to heat buildup in the lifters leading to failure of the roller bearings. They go on to say that the ECM's could be programmed for a extended idle mode at 1200 RPM and the lifters would never fail like that. This is all unofficial off the record stuff of course.

[@hochhaul]

Weird every one of the roller failures I've seen were neither police fleet or oil field use vehicles.

[@Interceptorking]

I also heard the idle hours contribute to the lifter failure as does the multi displacement system.

[@easycomeeasygo8901]

So does that mean the oil system needs to be upgraded? Maybe more pressure or higher volume? Because a 1200 everything would be good so that means there is an issue at idle right?

[@workingshlub8861]

another reason ford should have continued crown vic for police service.

[@waynedelack5936]

Yes, I agree. All the failures I have seen are on engines with high idle hours. The newer Ram trucks track both idle and driving hours, accessible through the EVIC. The last truck I replaced a cam and set of lifters only had ~22,000 miles on it, but over 9000 hours. About 7500 hours idling. So probably only 4 oil changes, with over 2000 hours on each oil change. Probably shouldn’t go more than 250 hours on an oil change.

[@gingerd2098]

No idea how this video ended up in my recommended feed, as I don't even own a truck. That said you really explained this well and I thoroughly enjoyed it all the way to the end. Your findings are fascinating and you lay it out in a very clear manner.

[@TheDarkToes]

5.7 hemi is in alot of vehicles. Not just trucks

[@GearHeadsGarageChannel]

Thank you very much man appreciate that and glad you liked it!

[@michaelm7874]

I second this exactly!!

[@chuckybarto7211]

Been searching the internet to solve my 2010 ram issue and this video literally hit every single issue I’m having. Very good video. Very informational. Perfect!!

[@a.a7648]

Dude mystery solved recently Design flaw, you will find it in "unkle Tony garage" Overall lack of oiling at idling RPM,

[@mpetersen6]

Oil squirters would have gone a long way to stop this. Sounds like there's a market for an aftermarket upgrade. Remember the flatspotted GM cams

[@johnroberts4571]

Just watched it...lmao

[@geneva760]

HA - UNCLE TONY should be titled PROFESSOR UNCLE TONY - he is BRILLIANT. Have a nice day all. CHEERS from AUSTRALIA.

[@a.a7648]

@@mpetersen6 oil squirter will not solve the problem, because it shooting to the bottom of pistons, and remember hemy camshaft is near the cylinders top, there is not enough momentum to throw the oil up So do not idle hemis, they do not like it

[@joecook3223]

@@a.a7648 i think maybe he meant an oil squirter aimed at the camshaft

[@GearHeadsGarageChannel]

Hey everyone just wanted to clarify a couple things since I see so many people asking and commenting about their 2000's era Hemi's. This problem started around 2009 and went on to effect trucks until a change was made with the lifters around 2016 or so. Also, I don't hate Mopar. I own two Mopar vehicles and also own a Ford and a Japanese car. Every manufacturer has their issues and pro's and con's. I just made this video to explain the issue and show how to find it. Thanks again for watching, good luck with your Hemi's! EDIT: It appears there are many comments coming in reporting issues with their 2017+ trucks as well, those are all new and under warranty still for the most part so I havent seen them at our shop and cant say for myself, but either way it seems the lifter update in 2017 may not have cured the issues.

[@hoost3056]

Thanks for clarifying, it's the VVT engines that were affected.

[@GearHeadsGarageChannel]

@@hoost3056 The VVT is not what causes this issue

[@hoost3056]

@@GearHeadsGarageChannel understood, i was referring to the style of engine. 03-08 non VVT engines versus the 09 and up engines. Great vid by the way.....going to subscribe now👍

[@High_Desert_Tanner]

Well that's good news... Just bought a 2019 lol

[@doctordiesel5467]

I've seen the lifter bores on some hemis egg out and that caused this issue aswell where the lifter cocked sideways a bit and couldn't move freely and cam forced it to go in it's hole and pounded out cam and lifter in the process

[@Compcams1976]

We've been seeing a huge increase in demand for Hemi cams, we believe partly because of this issue. Great video! We are working on bringing more options to market for performance replacements.

[@GearHeadsGarageChannel]

Thank you, we use your parts in some of our customers vehicles that get upgrades etc. but for these fleet vehicles just get dealer parts. I have been a fan of Comp Cams for a long time thanks for the comment! As far as this issue goes the lifters are what need addressed, they are wiping out the cams and I suspect you are seing a large increase in demand because people are upgrading when the opportunity is forced onto them with this issue. I hope you have good lifter options available!

[@sammolloy8129]

COMP Cams Like lifters that are made better. To be fair, oil changes based on miles alone do not count hours like the GM oil monitor system

[@theunconventionaldeal3879]

Do a cam, lifter, timing chain kit and watch them teleport themselves out the door for a decade.

[@Compcams1976]

@@theunconventionaldeal3879 we are working on it. We would love to offer a K kit or CL kit for the Gen3/4 Hemis.

[@sullimd]

My 2012 has this problem now, at 95k miles. Cylinder 1. What all has to be done besides new cam and lifters to fix this? I’m getting quotes like $3500?

[@richardmoore5919]

Best video I’ve seen for this issue. Happened to my 2009 Hemi Ram, and it was a $3500 repair. Chrysler/ FCA completely sucks based on how they handled this issue. Very disappointed in how they handled it. I followed 3000 mile oil change intervals religiously and it’s an insult to have it fail regardless. The technician who repaired my engine pulled the oil pan to inspect the rotating assembly to be sure the lower end was ok, and remarked how clean the engine was, and the cylinder walls still had the original crosshatch marks like a new motor. Shame on FCA...

[@trudeaumustgo1920]

Old ass engines with high miles can still have the hatch marks in the bore.

[@andrewhigdon8346]

Yeah but the point is that proper maintenance was observed. There is no excuse for these premature failures.

[@aaronkerr749]

Made in Mexico. Needle springs probably mixed shit mexican with American by the supplier to save.

[@aaronkerr749]

@John Smithy you didn't watch the show idiot. He went over all cams, typically one in 8 lifters were deficient. Like a mixed box. Pay attention before commenting.

[@curlylarrymoe]

I spent a couple days doing this to my wifes 09' charger. Doesn't cost that much if you do the work yourself. Its just a pain in the ass. Its alot easier to work on than most modern cars.

[@smartredbird]

09' 1500, 120K miles and I'm in the same boat. Thank you. Best video I have seen on this issue.

[@janitziobanuelos3567]

2014 1005 k I have the same problem

[@Tony67032]

thanks for taking the time to make the video, it shows the honesty and pride you take of doing your job well.. we need more mechanics around like you..

[@darkwar12345]

It's not the design of the motor. It's the crappy lifters they use. The roller bearing on the lifter fails and seizes and then just eats up the cam lobe.

[@doctordiesel5467]

I've also seen the lifters bores egg out and lifters cock and it eats up lifter and cam love

[@norman_sage2528]

@fitty6pickemup It's called pre-ignition. Gasoline does not detonate.

[@hanskinslo326]

Well, using the crappy lifters is a DESIGN MISTAKE.

[@leadnsteel1428]

The Fiat Ecodiesel that they use is also a garbage motor. The blow up at 100,000 miles

[@MichelLinschoten]

Lifters are a part of the motor so it's crap period, i do not get why they cut corners on a fucking hemi

[@njtehrani56]

One of the best videos I have ever seen that explains the problem in plain English! Keep doing what you are doing man! you are good at it!

[@GearHeadsGarageChannel]

Thank you very much I appreciate it!

[@timm1945]

So many lightbulbs going off in our heads here after watching your video, thanks for posting!

[@gardner427]

I have a 2010 Challenger SRT with the 6.1L and 6speed (non MDS engine)...right at 75,000mi #4 exhaust lifter did the same thing and wiped the cam. It was still within the warranty mileage, but a year out on the time, so no coverage...dealer wanted $4500 to fix! … I fixed it myself and still running strong with 12,000mi later...

[@802Garage]

Wow that diagnostic test at the end is crazy! The visible difference is huuuge. That valve was barely even opening.

[@GearHeadsGarageChannel]

Yup!! Just enough to idle smoothly and put around town but wont move enough air at higher engine load and misfires terribly when trying to accelerate!

[@406Steven]

After hearing it cranking in the video I'd go straight to pulling the valve cover to confirm, the customer could wait there at the shop and have the bad news in 20 minutes rather than having to wait for a full diag.

[@GearHeadsGarageChannel]

@@406Steven Except if its the driver side cover it might be more than 20 mins 😛 god I hate doing the drivers side ones on these if the intake is still on!

[@hdz12ez]

They've all got their issues, GM has collapsing lifters on LS engines, Dodge has lifter needle bearing issues and Ford has overhead cam timing component issues. Planned obsolescence? Bad designs? Bad manufacturing processes? Who knows?

[@DUNEATV]

Please don’t compare Ford’s to Dodge/Ram’s. Ford trucks are so reliable it’s crazy. Go to any KOA or Glamis dunes...90% Fords pulling trailers across America. BTW, the Mustang 5.0 is bulletproof!

[@johnq6257]

@@DUNEATV I have a bridge to sell you. PS..I am a FORD pickup mechanic.

[@bicyclecrashsurvivor8884]

5.0 is not bulletproof. They have their issues also.

[@esimler]

Uncles 1500 GM 5.3L sierra lost oil pressure... like to zero and only threw a check engine light, naturally drove it in to the shop where they told him oh you had no oil pressure, yep

[@robboat3864]

Thay could make a good motor thay all have had 1 or 2 but that does not make money after the sale. Alot of people are doing there own work on there cars for the most part. So thay plan on parts to fail that can't be easily fixed. In an effort to get more in to the dealer.

[@wildestthornberry3349]

Chrysler hasn’t been owning up to engine failures for some time now. I’ve replaced many of their V6’s, particularly 3.6L that catastrophically fail when their timing chain tensioners collapse.

[@garysisk3431]

either has FORD, not sure about the other rigs as they don't interest me.

[@gregtimko6800]

Yep I got a 2010 Ram 2500 and had my motor replaced last year because of this issue. Cost me $8000! Great video

[@michaelmartinez1345]

You had to replace the entire engine? Not just the camshaft , lifters, timing set and water pump/T-stat? Too much metal in the oil? Destroyed bearings? Did you use orange Fram filters?

[@chargermopar]

My 1969 Dodge truck's 440 still runs great, although I have been putting zddp additives in the oil for years. Real American made Mopar was the best in durability.

[@70stunes71]

Right on man . I've owned many 6 pack 340 & 440s in B & E body cars . Rock solid old school performance !!!

[@piercehawke8021]

Sad. The old Mopar 318's of 50 years ago, except for timing chains, were known for not having any major mechanical failures till over 150K+ miles. And that's with NO modern oil, roller lifters, fuel injection, etc.

[@workingshlub8861]

the 318 and 360 magnums were great motors...timing chains around 150k and those always gave you plenty of warning before they failed.

[@70stunes71]

Yeah my 1983 ramcharger 318 has never been apart for ANY fixes internally . Incidentally this was the last year they were completely made in the USA. They started making them in Mexico afterwards.

[@prestonrieger8410]

Pierce Hawke modern oils are the reason for many engine failures. Off the shelf oil from 25 years ago was far superior to the junk they sell today. Due to EPA regulations

[@ajsmalaisemopargarage2073]

Yep, take care of an old 318 and itll do you real good. A friend dumped his in a mud hole, knocked like crazy. Changed the oil and it runs like a top!

[@marks4382]

I worked on a 1993 magnum 5.2 out of a dakota. It had two flat lobes and lifters that showed no wear and rolled like new. I was thinking weak factory valve springs causing the lifter to skip off the top of the lobe at high rpm or junk camshaft material.

[@jimowens628]

Keep making your videos. They are helpful. I just a 4th gen after having my 2nd gen for 16 years. This video will help me to know what to look out for. And remember: haters will be haters!

[@wyrtwister4260]

I do not own a Ram / Dodge , but your video is very interesting . Thank you , :-) The whole problem is crazy . This is not bleeding edge high tech . Cams and lifters have been used on internal combustion engines since WAY back . No reason the manufacturer can not get this right , the first time . And not having corrected it ! If I had this problem , I would be thinking of repairing it with a top quality , aftermarket cam kit . I would have no confidence factory Ram / Dodge parts would not fail , again . Wyr God bless

[@antonioederlopezlopez7341]

Slant six laughs in the background

[@garywalsh3993]

Now thats funny !

[@Lindenbum]

Those things lasted forever, or till the frames rotted.

[@johnrobinson357]

As it turns over 300k on the clock - all original parts !!

[@antonioederlopezlopez7341]

@@johnrobinson357 even original oil

[@brandonmiller7466]

They say they are indestructible but the industrial versions are good at blowing when the governor flips and sends it to 6 grand for hours on end

[@evanranshaw4659]

I've done quite a few of these cam and lifter replacements. I started noticing very significant pushrod and rocker arm wear (in the cup where the pushrod meets the rocker arm; they wear against each other and both get chewed up). Sometimes the damage is immediately visible, but sometimes the end of the pushrod still looks shiny. If it still looks shiny, look at the end of the pushrod from the side and compare against the lifter end of another pushrod to see how much of the spherical shape has been worn down. There is very little preload on these lifters to begin with, so when a pushrod and rocker start to eat eachother, it doesn't take much wear before there is more lash than that small preload will take up. Not only does this lead to clattery valvetrain noise, but it starts pounding those needle bearings. I had a theory that this could be causing the lifter failures, but I've also seen lifter failures on motors that don't have any pushrod or rocker arm wear. Unfortunately I have to conclude that this issue is simply a ticking time bomb. Frequent oil changes and adding anti-wear additives back into your oil will help your chances, but I've also seen lifters fail on exceptionally well maintained hemis.

[@alzaidi7739]

FYI, Uncle Tony's Garage has two videos on this problem and says it's the angle of the lifters is too shallow to get oil to run down the barrel. Shallow lifter angle was a consequence of the raised cam. Also an oil gallery between the crank and cam blocks oil splash at low RPM.

[@crunchemagain2030]

he's wrong... kzbin.info/www/bejne/mZysnWSsqs6LeZo

[@johncoleman5388]

The oil only can go down the barrel when revving above 1200 revolutions per minute, due to what you'd said about the angle of the lifters. These engines will last forever if they idle for short periods. They were not meant to be idling for long periods, as you stated in other words. A disclaimer should have been given on cars equipped with HEMI engines.

[@owenboyd925]

FCA has a bulletin to remove the VVT oil control valve under the intake manifold if lifter/ camshaft damage is found. If the oil control valve screens are plugged with debris the engine needs replaced. The worn/ broken needle bearings travel through the engine and go somewhere. Most of them end up in the oil pan but bearing damage is common on their way through the system

[@beastlybuickv6402]

OMG! Glad my 1980 LeSabre doesn't give me any trouble. I wouldn't even own a car made after 1985!!!

[@96lapiscoupe1]

Beastly Buick V6 🤦‍♂️🤦‍♂️😂

[@TheDeleon03]

My 2009 5.7 was misfiring and shuddering around 60 mph or 3-4k rpm with 70k miles. Always took care of it, dealership said the lifters and cam were blown. Luckily had extended warranty and got it fixed.

[@tonywestvirginia]

My 09 Ram made it to 220K before this happened. It was cheaper for me to buy a used 5.7 w/41K out of a wreck than rebuild mine with all needed to be done to it. (Bearings crank, cam,lifters etc..) I run Royal Purple in this one. Hope it last as long.

[@DaytonaBlueHr]

Tonys ToolBox I have a Dodge Stealth r/t with 160’000 miles should i be worried about this problem 😟??

[@hotrodray6802]

Dump it unless you feel like a lottery winner.

[@TheDeleon03]

Yeah I hated to see it go but traded in for a 19 after the repairs were completed.

[@mikelemoine4267]

@@DaytonaBlueHr Your Stealth has a Mitsubishi motor in it, none of these issues apply. Yours may have some other inherent issues, but it's an old car with lots of miles, so just take care of it and don't beat on it and it should last. Join a Stealth or Mitsu 3000 forum, they can help you.

[@bobw7305]

I guess I'm lucky. Owned 4 ram hemi trucks now and none have had an issue.

[@gregarioussolitudinist5695]

did any of the four have 175,000 miles? Having four sounds like the answer is probably NO.

[@mobleyMobley]

@@gregarioussolitudinist5695 i had 186,000 on my 05 jeep.. my 14 jeep has 110k

[@coltenlang2085]

I have a 2010 Ram 1500 w a 5.7L and I had this issue when it started with a cylinder 5 misfire code and when they tore down the engine they replaced the cam and lifters. Went through a Ram dealer and it took about a week in the shop plus $2600 labor on top of the new camshaft price alone.

[@jonfoss2768]

THEY DONT TELL US THEY RODDED THE HELL OUT OF IT

[@jonfoss2768]

EASY ON THE RIGHT FOOT,. AND CHANGE THE OIL

[@sporty05]

Negotiating with dealer on a new ram with the 5.7, now i'm having doubts. Thanks for the video!

[@marioncobaretti2280]

reminds me of 78 to 81 chev 305 and 267,s had soft cams. i did numerous cam replacements at chevy dealer i worked at yrs ago under warranty . most went bad in under 5000 miles

[@compubert2]

that time period co-insides with the removal of zinc from motor oil too... so sad..

[@lesliehorwinkle]

I remember.

[@danielmccoy8875]

All small block Chevy motors ate cams..lol still my favorite motor but they where hard on cams lifters

[@pjmillah2172]

I work in quality engineering for the manufacturing industry. The facility I work at make components for almost every manufacturer including vehicles not sold in the United States. Our company has very tight quality control standards. A lot of components are now made outside of the the vehicle manufacturer. From what I can see in this video is one of two scenarios. This could be a purchased part that Chrysler buys and installs or it is built in house. Either scenario is a result of a poor PFMEA. Thorough product design would have seen this problem from a country mile. We build many components in house and we also use purchased parts. We thoroughly test all of our products and have a very robust process for determining potential failure modes. You always have to protect the customer.

[@MrKornnugget]

The 3.6L V6 has an issue with rocker rollers failing the exact same way. Looks like soft metal. Their vender is probably not providing the proper strength steel. We had this issue with Chinese steel mill when I worked in the oil industry.

[@michaelbenardo5695]

That's why we all should be buying AMERICAN, NOT FOREIGN.

[@cryptotroll1232]

I own a ram 1500 with this motor and greatly appreciate you putting out this content. Don't worry for a second about people saying dumb stuff back at you. This is great content period. Is there anything you can suggest to mitigate this problem before it develops?

[@philliphall5198]

Sale it

[@YourBroJo]

I went through this already. The symptoms are on point.

[@dewmontjerkins9886]

Whole world has gone to hell since the mid 1990's.

[@darwindwelle5267]

Yep!!!

[@OlympusHeavyCavalry]

It went to hell after the Bretton Woods agreement in 1944 where neoliberalism was given the greenlight to let banks and companies do as they please......

[@justacatsmith6260]

Mid 70s sorry bro!!!

[@mistrgekko]

Since the 2016 election.....

[@garyfischer4357]

@william dohn you are half that. The idiot...

[@1717maximus]

I got a ram 2003 1500 5.7 9 years strong.!! And that’s why I got a 2018 challenger r/t from a life long chevy fan.!!!

[@thelagmeister]

That's nothing I sold my lifted 4x4 v6 Nissan last year that was running 32 years strong on the stock power train . It lived it's whole life on 31 inch tires and was abused.

[@bradzimmerman3171]

Great an "x" chevy hot air blowing fan now has a FIAT RAM wow blame Santa Clause I suppose

[@cobracharmer6178]

@@bradzimmerman3171 ; Easy there. Chevrolet was bought out by General Motors. I remember when Chevy Novas became Toyota's in the 80's. The GM Saturn had Honda engines? Heard about that one years ago.

[@bryane2857]

@@cobracharmer6178 wow. Bringing up merger that happened 100 years ago. Fiat Chrysler has had nearly everybody and there mother own them.

[@bradhardy2629]

@@bryane2857 it really doesn't matter. Most of the Chrysler cars are built in America by union employees. So the fact that fiat owns the controlling stock in the company has little to do with what the day to day operations.

[@marklechadores7876]

I just bought a 2005 ram 1500 with a hemi and it's got the same misfire problem. So I'll check the cams out. Thanks for the advice

[@aaroncarroll7218]

I already knew this I've seen this on the HEMI that I've been building on my 6.1l I had to replace the lifters twice now. I'm glad you made a video on this problem. The best thing to do is use after market lifters don't get them from China get the best quality you can find and soak the lifters in oil before installing that helps out.

[@jicez6649]

Great video! Now I'm glad I have a non-mds hemi which is still going strong at 260000 miles. In general it seems like older engines, 1990s to early 2000s, have less issues especially with regular maintenance and preventative maintenance. Companies have to keep finding ways to make money and force consumers to be repeat customers by making cars almost disposable after a warranty is up.

[@brandonmiller7466]

Best engine i ever had has been a 360 magnum. Took a thrashing all day long, but man did she burn oil at the 220k mark

[@dufus2273]

planned obsolescence

[@jicez6649]

@@brandonmiller7466 nice, I know I am going to try and keep my hemi magnum going as long as I can. This engine definitely over exceeded my expectations

[@jicez6649]

@@dufus2273 yes, exactly

[@brandonmiller7466]

Watch out for valve seals and plenum gaskets unless you have already gone through and got a hughes mfi air gap or got a single plane m1 mfi intake. The valve seals were the culprit in me burning oil but i figured i was in that far might aswell freshen her up, only made it another 30k before a lifter collapsed plus i had head issues, swapped in a spare and ran it till i couldnt afford the gas anymore now shes parked waiting on full resto and maybe a twin turbo 408 stroker.

[@brian96597]

I am not sure about a hemi, but on a Chevy, if this happens, hardened steel rains down onto piston skirts and can severely damage both pistons and cylinder walls. If the lifters are in line with piston skirts in a hemi, expect the same, and possibly having a worse failure on down the road.

[@frankensteinrules6511]

GREAT video!!! My nephew just forked out $4,500 to the stealership four months ago for new lifters and cam. A week ago he said lifters got loud and it started stalling and missing. Stealership checked it out and said there was metal shavings in the MDS solenoids and oil pan also. Stealership told him he needed a new engine and there was nothing they could do. What sucks is that he is a salesman at that dealership. I ask him if I got it running long enough could I run it thru the showroom window for him, he said no but thanks anyway. Needless to say he is looking for another job.

[@1flynlow]

oil needs more zinc in it. they've taken it out because it damages catalytic converter. but that wouldn't prevent this lifter failing.

[@brandonmiller7466]

Roller cams dont need the zinc like flat tappets do but it definitely helps both

[@1flynlow]

right, it's not IMPERATIVE on roller cams like it is flat tappet, but it will help any engine live longer.

[@ItAintJustPaint]

This issue did finally get addressed in 1/2018 and P/N’s superseded to AD level. Most engines manufactured after 2/2019 should have the new lifters.

[@HNLN-23]

ItAintJustPaint ...crap, I’m pretty sure mine was built in 1/2018!!! Is there a way to tell if my lifters are of the old P/N or new P/N?

[@okjd159]

As an engineer I would suspect that it's the hardening of those needle bearings. You can check that by cutting apart the bad lifter to see the bearings and a few of the good ones to see if any of them are in the process of failing (from the same engine). There are companies that try to force companies like Chrysler to do recalls. When you get your evidence together you could send your pictures etc. to the ( I think it is ) DOT & above companies to see if you can get a recall. I have a Chrylesr mini van that has over 230,000 miles on the clock. You should get more than that from a Cam.

[@williamgrissom9022]

My 2002 Chrysler T&C has the 3.8L pushrod V-6 with roller lifters, at 283K miles now, spec compression, and the heads have never been off. Only major problem was a cracked flexplate (common). I have read of a few similar camshaft failures on owner forums, but out of gazillions sold. More commonly, there was a problem with the rocker shaft posts cracking in earlier engines (3.3L late 1980's?), but was fixed by the late 1990's by a redesign adding more support posts to the heads. The same engine was had a RWD version used in Jeeps for about 5 years around 2010.

[@arizonaguy7574]

Thank you, I learned a lot. Especially about the cold start crank procedure. You rock, liked and subbed.

[@georgecrabtree8637]

I have 2006 Dodge 2500 w/5.7 with about 118,000 miles. I see you listed this problem had started around 2009, have you seen it on earlier years prior? I am a Sheriff Deputy and we had a fleet of Chargers that seem to constantly going to the shop for cam issues. I agree with Andrew about running through hell w/gasoline soaked underwear lol.When I bought my Dodge 2500(used at 110,000) I noticed the fricken steering problem regarding the steering box. I replaced the box from Redhead, and cured the issue, but Dodge knew about this and did nothing from what I read and was told by other Dodge truck owners. Thank you for the video very informative!

[@carbongsxr750]

The lifters in those chargers do not like spending a lot of time sitting in park idling. It's like how when breaking in a new camshaft and lifters they tell you to bounce the rpms around and not to let them sit at certain rpm for extended periods of time .. our city's patrol cars were blowing left and right but all the city personnel cars that get basically treated like personal cars and normally driven are completely fine.. we recently made the switch to the new Tahoe's for the patrols

[@georgecrabtree8637]

@@carbongsxr750 We are getting away from the chargers and started to go to the Ford explorers, the ugly recall crap is rearing its head on those now. I drive a Tahoe unmarked and love it, never had issues with it, but i agree with the idling issue we have a big county to cover and our chargers were getting cam issues around 50k, mind you we keep good maintenance on the fleet , i would never own one personally i think there crap, but then again the average person does not drive like we do!

[@markd1199]

Good excuse to tell my wife I need a cam upgrade? Just keeping it positive!😆

[@Kauffman578]

If you have to consult your wife and then make an excuse to do whatever the heck you, as the boss of the fam, we may have an issue of you beta-nizing. Hold your frame and show who makes the decision. Be the alpha, America needs, real patriarchy (I may have gone over board slightly, but you get the point, cheers!)

[@oscarwalton1188]

You may want to do that

[@markd1199]

Are you all serious? Just checking before I tell my friends about you!😂

[@stevedonceel9452]

here is the real cause of Hemi cam problems watch. kzbin.info/www/bejne/mnqcZGCQmd2SpLs

[@DonutGuard]

All of the Mopar engines are having CAM problems. We commonly change out the cams on 3.6L v6 engines where I work. I think it's a metallurgical problem.

[@mojo3008]

I think it's an oil change interval problem. They went to 5,000 miles instead of 3,000. I think the oil is breaking down.

[@DonutGuard]

For a while it seemed like we were replacing at least 2 of those engines every month at LEAST.

[@dave0z96]

It isn't a oil change interval problem . I have a Honda Civic 200 k I change the oil every 5000 it doesn't happen to it. I have a 1997 Ford F-250 with a 460 220 k I change that at 5000 and I've had both for years and they've never got a flat spot on the cam . It's definitely a junky Chrysler thing for sure . Nothing has a 3000 mile oil change interval any more read any owner manual for a vehicle made in the last 10 years .

[@cardboardboxification]

Mike Majewicz you don’t change oil by miles, you change oil when it is dirty....

[@dave0z96]

You change oil in accordance to the intervals recommended in the maintenance manual which always goes buy miles, or in off road vehicles hours . I've never seen a maintenance manual say change oil when it gets dirty you moron, and I've been a professional mechanic for 16 years . Some people are very stupid, and your one of those stupid people .

[@scottgorman7166]

Excellent video Gearhead. The more stuff I learn about my 2014 1500 the more I want to send it off a cliff. 68k and had broken bolts on the head, another common issue. My buddy has a 63 Chevy van 6 cyl with 500, 000 miles on it. No problems except 3 tranny rebuilds. See these freaking car companies are capable of building something to last. They used to do it. Great video

[@michaellarrick8881]

Dude 3 transmission in 500,000 miles is garbage

[@sargentsakto9236]

These days you should never see this issue for a engine with any amount of mileage.

[@JollyFlys]

Lmao my friend always talks about hiw the hemi has been around for so long and proven

[@Gypsy2057]

I see a lot of comments about the 1960's Hemi's. My Uncle had a garage and I'll tell you, yes those were good motors but you almost never saw one go 175,000 miles without have had major work done on it. In the 60's it was not uncommon to have your motor re-build by the time it had 65 thousand miles or less on it. Going 100K without a re-build was the exception, not the norm.

[@strattuner]

I worked for Chrysler in 1968 on to 1989,the second gen hemi came thru with 330# valve springs at wide open lift,the springs ate the cams within 13,000 miles regularly,this engine was designed for high performance use only,it was never to really be a street engine,they detuned it for grocery getting use,now I've been retired since 1998 and never touched another engine till recently,heard rumors of the new engines falling apart,in the camshaft area,so it bought a roller engine and took it apart and checked everything,as a ase senior master tech,i went at it,like I did on the job,first thing I found was the valve springs were anemic,85 on the seat and 208 wide open is ridiculous,and there's the problem,the engine I bought to check made it to 180k miles with the cam flaking,the valve springs are the problem on the early 2nd gen engine, the valve springs were to heavy ,now with the new engines they are way too damn weak,they will not return the valve to the seat properly,and that 's all I found other than the same old shit with the cam chain stretched as usual,so its back to the same crap as the 318-360 days of stretched chains past the 125k mile mark,just put hipo springs in your engines with new chains and gears at the 125k mark,suggest 125 on the seat and 300 wide open for street action,my opinion

[@231mac]

You also have to remember, machining and metallurgy was not all that great back in the day. Hemi's suffered core shift and a few other issues.

[@strattuner]

yeah the core shift was a problem, but hell mopar was number 3 and who else would design an engine such as the magnificence of a hemi head due to desperation and survival,loved working for Chrysler,in those days the men who worked for them were full of pride as the founder was a genius and people gave a damn,showed up for work,sick, sorry or otherwise,i worked for Chevrolet for 12 years and saw things that were not cool,GM would build a car and let the owners mash out the deformities ,not cool,but true,they made good stuff too,but it was always their flagship cars,the vette,the cad,and the damn oldsmobile got all of the attention

[@231mac]

@@strattuner Very true. I always respected Chrysler Corp's business model, until the Fiat merger.

[@strattuner]

yeah, every generation brings more mistakes made by not reviewing or considering the past mistakes,or put plainly what works or won't work,i worked on them when they made the best models and took care of the customer,i repaired it or put a new one on,no questions,no compromising quality,we rebuilt everything,even the wiper motor,unit replacement didn't come along till early 1978,different world entirely-1968-1989 many advances, many mistakes,all in a days work

[@vhp454]

I have been putting a zinc additive in every engine in every vehicle i own. I once was told by an old timer is anything made of metal to run on metal needs a cushion from the oil.

[@msclecarcrzy]

Which additive are you using?

[@regal105]

Zinc is said to plug up the cats

[@msclecarcrzy]

@Richard Skipper I would rather replace a cat than go into the motor. Besides my Hemi doesnt use a drop of oil so I believe it would take a long time.

[@vhp454]

@@msclecarcrzy Lucas and Edelbrock have the best zinc additive

[@beastlybuickv6402]

Duralube! I swear by it. My 1980 LeSabre Ltd. has over 330,000 miles on her & runs damn near perfect as when we got her new!

[@fredbach6039]

Hey man, you have a great clear voice and you don't stumble on your words. You are very clear and understandable. A lot of KZbinrs should follow your example. I am definitely subscribing. What do you think you would do to design better roller lifters? Obviously there is a physics problem here.

[@GearHeadsGarageChannel]

Thank you Fred for the kind words I appreciate it! To be honest I am not sure what I would do, watching a more recent video by Uncle Tonys Garage he spent much more time tearing it apart and looking at it deeper and believes it is an oiling problem with the block, at idle the rollers get very very little lubrication.

[@fredbach6039]

@@GearHeadsGarageChannel yeah I figured oiling would be involved. But I would like to determine the force on those roller bearings and the roller wheel itself. Seems to me that somewhere in the force curve vs rev's there is some limit exceeded. No way do I think those rollers are skookum enough. The dang things are just too delicate.

[@ny1t]

Chevrolet just before 1968 started experimenting with engines. Respecting the small blocks, they swapped the crankshafts from the 283 and 327 and created the 307 and the 302. All this required was to move the wrist pin on the piston. Then they created the 350 with a longer stroke crankshaft. I had a small journal 307 in a 1966 Chevelle that I suspected was one of the prototypes. Chevrolet in 1968 put out these new engines and at the same time increased the crankshaft bearing diameters. They were referred to as large journal cranks. Pre1968 were called small journal. I suspected it had to do with using a cheaper metal. I started noticing camshafts on 1968 and newer engines with flattened lobes and some lifters worn so bad there was a hole in the bottom of the lifter. This happened on both big block and small block. I suspect it was the same on the 6 cylinder, but I didn't mess with them. Once you knew what to listen to, you could hear it. Clearly your problem is bad lifters, but the cam lobe rounding has been around for quite a while. The Chevies I saw had the common hydraulic lifters.

[@semiauto3148]

ny1t In the end it doesn’t matter who makes it. They should honor their bad craftsmanship and repair people’s vehicles.. for this very reason is why the Asian auto makers have taken over in the car industry. And if Toyota would get their heads out of their butts. They’d own the truck industry too... it’s the very reason all my vehicles but 1 are Toyota....live and learn

[@mds00]

This was not just a 5.7 hemi problem. I worked at a dealership and many 318's (5.2L) also had cam failure problems. Actually happened to my Ram while I worked there at only 60k miles. Ended up just doing an engine swap because I didn't want to take the chance that the bearing were damaged from metal in the oil. And this car was not abused and well taken care of. Oil , oil filter, and air filter changed at every 2000-3000 miles.

[@paulacree6579]

I guess u know a 5.7 hemi is a 318 with a 360 crank if not figure it out the 318 has a 3.91 bore & the 360 has a 3.59 stroke in it.

[@MrTheHillfolk]

Also don't forget, most of the modern oils have taken out a lot of the extreme pressure lubricants, or reduced the amount of it to keep it from poisoning the emissions equipment. Old school chevy guys are wiping cams too, but they can use an oil thats a little pricier and has all the bad good stuff they need.

[@GearHeadsGarageChannel]

Yes I use oil with Zinc in it in my toys!

[@MrTheHillfolk]

@@GearHeadsGarageChannel It looks like they haven't come up with a good substitute for the new cars. Something that won't poison emissions controls, yet still provides lubrication. And I guess theres some myth about metallurgy being different in late model cars so they can handle the newer oils thats going around creating alot of confusion.

[@axlegrind4212]

the oil companies removed zddp from their oil formulas because it damages the catalytic converters and causes environmental problems. the car manufacturers were forced to start using roller lifters because of the lack of shear strength in the oil (zddp). it was wiping out flat tappet cams and lifters.

[@ianwalker8210]

there are multiple issues causing the same result in my experience, when i tore down my hemi the lifters were soaked in oil. the oil galley was full with oil and no flat spots on the rollers, but i did notice 1 spot on the cam that had chunks of metal missing and i blame MDS. had a new motor thrown in my 2015 and i tuned out the MDS and 20k miles later no tick and no problems. i believe its a combination of issues.

[@7s29]

Metallurgy, delamination of the cam seems to be the issue. I'm be changing out my cam, rods and fitting hellcat lifters. Delete MDS, and this should solve the issue. There's only one way to find out.

[@robanderson782]

I agree, its a combination of issues. And a moving target cuz who knows exactly what and when the manufacturer changed metallurgy and designs. After jeep replaced my cam and lifters at 54000 miles, I had a valve seat drop at 141000. The cam and lifters were aok at 141000, but my piston was in the oil pan ... I bought a new hemi crate engine manufactured in Jan 2020 and the heads were CF, yeah I had to take apart new engine with 250 miles on it and taken it to a real machinist to have new valve seats put in, they look also didn't like the oil seals on the valve stem ("cheap china"), got all that fixed up with a stage 3 cam and racing springs and she's running good. I don't like the factory springs, retainers and locators.

[@curlymyhero]

Great video, very informative and I've heard absolutely nothing about this engine problem since the Hemi came out. I drive Mercedes's and they also had a mass problem w/ their 6.3 litre motor ('07-11) which the head bolts got stripped even at 50K. Threats of class action lawsuits still did little to change Mercedes for many years.

[@The1richman4u]

Companies rarely do the morally sound and ethical thing. On vehicles that old they're just trying to string out negotiations and/or any pending lawsuit because ever year they do that means tens of thousands more vehicles are junked in the scrap yard and they are saving money. To them it's just a numbers game.

[@curlymyhero]

@@The1richman4u Yeah but these truck Hemi's are 2011-2013 or so. Those r new! I mean, maybe Chrysler didn't have the $$ for a recall and change out the roller bearings...

[@DaytonaBlueHr]

Brent Waterbury I have a Dodge Stealth r/t with 160’000 miles should i be worried about this problem 😟??

[@beastlybuickv6402]

Unless your Mercedes was made in Germany, it's a MONEY PIT!

[@curlymyhero]

@@beastlybuickv6402 Mine were!

[@802Garage]

Wow those cams are destroyed! That's a lotta damage. Time for Flex Tape! 😂 Seems for now the best bet is frequent oil changes with good quality oil and probably considering the lifters a 75K wear item. Videos like this getting popular though can often help tip a manufacturer to take action. Maybe they will do something. Nice job!

[@GearHeadsGarageChannel]

Haha yea head job with lifters every 75k SURE to prevent this! 😂😂

[@802Garage]

@@GearHeadsGarageChannel Better than a BMW V10... Rod bearings being a wear item and all. ;)

[@GearHeadsGarageChannel]

Haha yes!!! but those are even less work than a cam and lifters on these, Rod bearings are half the time!

[@802Garage]

@@GearHeadsGarageChannel Oh... Well that's interesting to hear, hahaha.

[@802Garage]

@@GearHeadsGarageChannel Wait, are you telling me you can't change the lifters on the Hemi without removing the heads?!

[@drjimjam1112]

Not only is the lobe shorter but the face of it has changed in pitch making the valve late to open as well.

[@TPowell12]

Just had this happen to my truck 2016 1500 at 84.5k miles. Perfect maintenance history with full synthetic oil changes every 5k. Trying to get this covered by cpo warranty or I'm out 10k. Happened while just cruising down the highway at 75. I will never buy another FCA/Stellantis product again. Excellent video and explanation! This is definitely an issue people need to be aware of.

[@Just1Spark]

You can also sometimes pull the pushrods and look at the ends of them very closely. As the lifters wheel/bearings collapse, the pushrod 'drop' increases. And the wear will increase on the pushrod. I just so happened to have some 24" digital calipers in the shop. I measured my pushrods, and sure enough, the failing lifter produced a pushrod that was 0.006" shorter than the rest.

[@teaminfiniti4105]

It happened to me at around 32,000 on my 2013. They had to end up putting on a whole new left side head and cam, after replacing the valves the first time for mushrooming. I tried to get a performance cam put in but they wouldn't do it since I was still under warranty.

[@chrissmith7101]

The Jeep Wranglers 3.6 L is having the same problem with the roller rockers around 100K

[@alexthiele9819]

Mine ate a cam at 50k something caused the roller to seize. I changed all rockers and lifters hopefully I get more then 50 out of it this time.

[@231mac]

Mine took a shit at 12K. They had to replace the entire left bank. Unfortunately, since the rollers failed, the cam ground into the rocker arms and sent metal all through the motor. Guess who doesn't own a jeep anymore...

[@whenibecamethesun..8759]

@Crazyloki Gaming not really..you wont hear from the hundreds of thousands of happy customers. There not on here

[@kimojon9665]

@@alexthiele9819 Well we don't know the other side of the story; at work we use 3.6 and they have held up amazingly. 240K and sell them and then we've had employees buy them and go more miles with them. They get really good fuel mileage and have good power without having turbo's. Can some go bad, I guess so.

[@kimojon9665]

@@231mac Like I said to the other guy, we use these at work (over 300 jeeps) and they hold up extremely well. Great gas mileage, smooth motor and go well over 200K before we sell them.

[@hellcatredeye-g6582]

I just replaced a 57 hemi on my ram had the exact issue the 2019 I was told by the dealership this problem was resolved I bought the crate motor I guess we’ll just have to see Overtime.Thanks for the video I’m a mechanic also have my own shop here in Atlanta

[@im2grn2win]

Hellcat Redeye -G is there a better lifter that will replace the Chinese lifter?

[@hellcatredeye-g6582]

im2grn2win They have different versions don’t go with the OEM one also make sure the cam is good also

[@CHEVYK10]

Scotty kilmer is yelling I told you so

[@callen7436]

🧐Crazy cause he says the Hellcat engine is the best v8 engine? Sooooo who makes the best v8 engine with the least amount/ expensive problems? Cause I'm in the market for a truck.

[@PrOdRgZ]

@@callen7436 i would go with a 5.0 F-150 but that's just me.

[@eddiet.7155]

Scotty Kilmer is nothing but a shill for Toyota.

[@campsitez2355]

@@eddiet.7155 scotty kilmer actually did a video telling everyone the hemi is the best v-8 engine.... he still hates chrysler products though and yes 100% toyota shill

[@len-zeplin480]

@@eddiet.7155 He's a Cigar Store Indian! An Empty Suit.

[@margierosson9245]

I OWN A 2012 DODGE TRUCK 2500 WITH A 5.7 HEMI AND JUST HAD IT TOWED TO THE SHOP. GREAT VIDEO I WISH I SAW IT BEFORE BUYING A DODGE TRUCK.

[@GearHeadsGarageChannel]

Good luck. Truth is all of the manufacturers have issues none of them are perfect!

[@dwayneholmes1280]

@@GearHeadsGarageChannel well said

[@bradzimmerman3171]

Fiat Ram will sell you a new truck lol really !

[@anoint426hemi6]

@@bradzimmerman3171 I've owned 5 late model Hemis and not one has lifter clatter or ever wiped a cam. My 07 Ram has 209,000 miles and never been apart. It will be soon when I upgrade to ported heads, a Howard's camshaft and hp lifters. Any codes thrown by a faulty mds solenoid can fixed easily by shutting the mds off. That will help prevent lifter failure and blown engines

[@mitchfleming274]

@@charlesangell_bulmtl And 2.4 headgaskets

[@Skyhopperke]

Very well explained! Continue making this quality of video!

[@uscg906]

2012 Ram 1500 5.7 Hemi 103k miles my truck has this Failure. Power train warrantee was up a few months ago. Dealer states they have all the parts in stock and will gladly repair this for just shy of 7 GRAND. Changed oil and filter religiously, never stomped on it, babied it. This is what I get. Thanks for the video GH.

[@dinocencio53]

Good info.clear and to the point and very helpful. I'm a mechanic myself. Gracias

[@GearHeadsGarageChannel]

Glad you liked and found it helpful 👍

[@willefixit]

@@GearHeadsGarageChannel me to pattern failures save diag time,so lifters or springs culprit or both? new numbers for bolth .udated parts? funny back in the day serviced hondas changed parts be for failure . hondas the best. now droping valves all brands have pattern failures thanks for pointing it out .!! good job!!!

[@MikeJBlues]

I think it's a lifter issue , they should replace these on all 5.7 hemis and new cams

[@Magnacharger07]

You are correct didn't the 5.3 go through the same sort of thing with needle bearings?? it's definitely the lifter causing the problem.

[@doctorhonda111]

Michael Jakubec no shit. The whole video says it’s a lifted issue

[@dgriffin6074]

This is one of the best mechanic/technician videos I have viewed. You should be teaching mechanics. I have no mechanical aptitude and I understood this video. BTW what does it cost your customer to have the cam problem fixed?

[@GearHeadsGarageChannel]

Thank you for the kind words I appreciate it! Considering we do a full head job, lifters, cam, oil pump and oil pan gasket it ends up being $4-5k

[@brandonsimpson1617]

GearHeads did you have to delete mds system, or any other programming work for this install? I’m getting lots of conflicting information

[@SCwrestlerTTSB]

Same thing can happen in LS motors. Bought a 5.3 core motor to build, it had a failed lifter due to roller bearings also. Didnt get bad enough to gouge the cam but it did put enough material in the oil to take out some bearings

[@kellsarah]

04-06 VW TDIs have the same issue with flat cams, the solution there is using a ZDDP additive in the oil.

[@scottwheaton9689]

yup,the motors need a motor oil with proper ZDDP/Zinc & Phos lvl at a min of 1300ppm and better yet 1450-1500ppm especially if the motor see's longer times/more mileage between oil & filter changes. ZDDP protects against scratching/ gailing etc in times of higher then normal engine/ oil temp and also better protects more aggressive cam lifter setup/profiles that have more then avg spring pressure/rates too which the majority of todays over the counter motor oils aren't properly formulated to do so with only 600-800ppm zddp on avg. Only issue is if the hemi uses/burns any oil the additional zinc/phos can prematurely foul the cat converter given enough miles causing emission issues & costly repair to replace the cat. I have seen this issue with older gen flat tappet & newer gen bit more aggressive roller cam & lifter setups when running todays oil with low zddp/zinc & Phos lvl's in either of those setups. It doesnt always happen quickly either,can take 50-70-90k miles but can happen 5k-15k-20k miles when running low zddp oil in hi perf setups uasing cam with more aggressive lobe design along with significantly higher spring rates too.

[@goesfastandfar]

This was a very informative video. Showed where the wear was and exactly what the cause was. Good stuff!

[@MrKernkraft4000]

This was an amazingly informative video. Thorough and easy to follow for the non-professional. Own a '14 1500 w/5.7 Hemi. Developed the tick - no mechanics knew anything about it and it wasn't until a valve spring broke the other day that I stumbled upon the true meaning through this and other videos. 5 of the cylinders ended up misfiring - no codes thrown (strange). When we got it warm, only 2 were misfiring. Some other interesting theories/videos out there. Lubricity/additive issues were considered in one of the videos resulting in lifter valve getting clogged from synthetic (or bad/not often changed oil), leading to inadequate valve train lash, then of course bearings failing. Theory is thicker oil could affect valve clearance. Anyways thanks for the video - this one and others are very informative and we (I) am very appreciative for you and others taking the time to do these.

[@mikedavidson2117]

Good video and demonstration on how to check out the 5.7 misfires

[@jackhfletcher]

I work at a mechanic shop here in Texas and within the past month we’ve seen two Durango’s with this same problem and both had less than 80k miles.

[@rodneymiddleton9624]

The 3.6L Pentastar has a similar failure on the camshaft followers that fail causing a ticking and cam lobe grinding off.

[@repairvehicle]

Very interesting, people blame on design, but why they wear out? Lack of lubrication. Try different Oil and you will see different results. I switched to different oil and got four times less engine wear.

[@rodneymiddleton9624]

Honestly I usually only see vehicles after they have failed miserably. No one seems to care until they have to be towed. Routine maintenance seems to not be a priority for most and then they get upset at the cost of repair.

[@noneya6334]

change the ffkkng oil every 3000 miles or every 200hrs

[@rodneymiddleton9624]

100% agreed!!! I guess that's what keeps me in business. People not taking care of their vehicles. Sometimes I wonder why I even put a reminder sticker in their windshield. They never look at it.

[@peoplerthatdumb]

I work for a government agency that uses the chargers with the 3.6 liter and we have the same issue. The oil is changed every 4k miles. The problem has occurred as early as just over 50k miles and by 75k miles some vehicles have been in the shop 3 times for the same issue. It doesn't seem to matter how hard a vehicle is driven since almost every one of ours has had the same issue. We started using these vehicles in 2011. We have also been seeing the cooling fan motor come apart and going into the radiator. These failures are occurring durring the same mileage periods. It doesn't seem to be happening to every vehicle but it does happen pretty frequently. Durring one week a few months ago 3 out of the 10 vehicles on my shift went down for this problem . I don't know the exact part that is failing on the fan motor but it appears that its a quality issue. Driving a Charger now since 2011, i can say its not a bad vehicle. If Mopar made a few minor design changes and improved the material quality a little, this would be a great vehicle.

[@patkcorcoran]

Love it when guys know wtf they're talking about.

[@jvallieres1979]

Great video. Taking my truck into the shop this week and now expecting the worst. Thanks for the heads up.

[@GearHeadsGarageChannel]

Best of luck, it may well be something else hopefully they are thorough in their diagnosis.

[@organicmechanic1662]

I'm wondering if adding zinc to the oil will help. Since they stopped putting zinc in the oil back in the early 2000's, people with flat tappet cams were losing their cam and lifters due to too much heat and pressue build-up and no protection from the modern oils. Zinc does an excellent job at protecting vital engine parts that experience high heat and pressure. I know they claim that it hurts the catalytic converter but does it really? I would still try using an oil with zinc already in it like Lucas Oil offers or buy an additive and pour it in the crank case. Something to ponder.

[@wingracer1614]

Zinc can be really good for high pressure, sliding metal to metal contact. You know like the kind you have with flat tappet cams/lifters. It would be nothing but trouble for a roller lifter. A quality full synthetic would be a better choice.

[@hotrodray6802]

Smokes your catalytic converter and oxygen sensors in 10,000 miles. Then it runs like crap and you can spend $1,000 to fix it.

[@beastlybuickv6402]

Duralube. I swear by it & my 1980 LeSabre does too!

[@norcal8718]

Excellent information and diagnostic skills. Thank you for sharing it is much appreciated 👍🏻

[@charles4962]

I replaced a Hemi flattened cam over 40 years ago. Great to see they've got the problem fixed.

[@maxmaximan8961]

Lol.. good one.The problem with the new Hemi 5.7 L is that they changed the timing gear configuration.On the older 5.7 L engine the timing gear was responsible for splashing the oil up to the top of the engine via timing chain cover that extends to to the top front of engine lubing the cam shaft.The new confirmation fails to deliver at idle,there for starving the top end,cam shaft ECT of oil... But like I said lol to your post,I'm a 36 year auto mechanic.Ive never seen Dodge improve any of their FAILURES . Seems they never learned,seems either did the population.

[@ScottRods]

Well you just described EXACTLY the symptoms my truck is showing, so it looks like I'm doing a cam and lifter job very soon, lol.

[@looseunit1615]

Damn. I was thinking of trading my Ram with a V6 for a Ram with a Hemi. No wonder I'm looking at a F150.

[@michaelteeple8704]

Please dont think the ford will be the answer you will be sadly mistaken.

[@michaelteeple8704]

@ yes i was thinking more on the 3 valve Triton. Im not a ford lover but have seen many 302s and rangers with tons of miles. Ford engineers want to support thier dealers with over complicated items that should be simple fixes.

[@ateam6486]

yup I done had one of these things last year come in, I thought, hummm, its got to be a intermittent coil problem, oopss nope. its the cam shaft. the coil was crazy cheap. I think it was 25 dollars. and a dual out put coil. I think they just used cheap low grade metal for the roller bearings.

[@throttlebottle5906]

sounds like "planned obsolescence" lifters :))

[@UrielB86]

Very informative. I'm getting error codes everyday without even starting my truck. I have a 2010 Dodge Ram 1500 5.7. I haven't had it for a year yet, and I'm having serious mechanical problems. I need my truck fixed. I'm doing all the work myself, and I'm not an auto mechanic. I need all the help and assistance I can get. All is appreciated. I've subscribed and liked this video.

[@GearHeadsGarageChannel]

What are your codes?

[@UrielB86]

P0300, P0174, P0562, P0301

[@danielbrazzle3661]

Yup I am a mechanic for the county I live in. I work on the cop cars truck ect. We use chargers as our cop cars and they have the 5.7 we have done about ten cam and lifter jobs in the shop me doing 4 of them.

[@jonathenhill5734]

About how much does this job cost?? I know price fluctuates depending on where you are. I'm from Texas.

[@tesmith47]

Another police mechanic says the extended idling heat is the culprit

[@brooks1176finn]

We had a bunch up here in the North East for a while, 99% of the departments run Explorers now.

[@paulespinosa6832]

It's idling for prolong periods of time that's causing that that's why it's emergency vehicles that are getting it sitting in their vehicles idling writing there reports 20 minutes to an hour sometimes

[@danielbrazzle3661]

Yes that is what we think as well

[@cjcoleman7372]

Just when I was almost to the point of buying a Dodge instead of a GMC or Chevy like I always do .... this happens. Glad I found out before I did something stupid. Thank you!

[@jjcuna]

I believe the 3 major truck producers have figured out how to build the engines to last just long enough. All of them have their issues. I had a 94 Ford that was close to 200k and had no major issues. It was still running great but had a small leak in the radiator. I let my cousin borrow it and explained to him to add coolant every 300 miles. Well he didn't and locked it up. I've been through 4 trucks since. Ford,Chevy,and Fiat. They all have their issues these days.

[@kimojon9665]

The new 2019 Ram 5.7 now has the same lifters as the HellCat motor; so I'm interested to see if they will have any issues like before.

[@ignitehemi3364]

Kimo Jon i started up a new 2019 ram at the dealer and it had the Hemi tick. It sounded bad. The salesman said it was where it hasn’t been started in awhile. I’m not sure they fixed the problem

[@biggen5595]

I just got a 2020 rental and had the tick with only 150 miles on the odometer.

[@biggen5595]

On 2020 Ram.

[@ronaldtucker5086]

When change the crankshaft do you charge the spark plugs also

[@planegaper]

Just saw a vid on premature cam wear issues with the Gen 3's , it seems to be a lube problem , coupled with a lack of windage bathing the cam in a consistant flow of oil.. windage at low rpm doesn't have enough energy to bathe the cam as in a ford or sbc, as it's mounted much higher up in the block, due to unique valve train.. so no oil from the bottom..the oil is gathered in galleries just below the lifter bores and falls back into the valley...it was intended to bathe the cam lobes, but due to the angle , and lack of pressure, it simply misses the cam an falls right back onto the crank . once the oil pressure is up, and the oil is being circulated around the engine at sufficient volume , no problem.. Stop and go traffic, or putting to the coffee shop, and never seeing any rpm.. no good.. It's almost better to beat on the thing , or have a slightly heavy foot.. A.L is totally correct, I've just gone into a little more detail on the causes.. the windage issue can be dealt with pretty easily, a tray designed to maybe throw oil at the cam better may work, lack of oil from the gallery in the head? (this is not a volume issue it's more the direction the oil is falling from, not reaching the cam lobe at low rpm) is truly a black mark on chryco .. The could have re engineered those galleries to lube the cam better , maybe a little ramp to change the direction of flow, or divert the oil flow onto the cam somehow. They did nothing, and many customers got fleeced out of big cash..for babying their truck..etc.. I've seen guys use an oil fllter adapter for turbo lube supply, etc, one could pretty easily rig up something based off that, and run some piping up to the galleries, and spray it down under pressure, to keep the cam lubed...any engineering types that have a solution in mind, let me know, developing a kit would save hem owners huge cash down the line , some repairs are costing $5,000 or more.. great for Chryco selling parts, and dealer techs , but the customer ends up shafted for babying their truck..

[@shroom903]

Just have to wonder what other damage occurred while the bearings were falling to the pan

[@GearHeadsGarageChannel]

Dont think they fell anywhere as a single piece...they got ground down to powder and drained to the pan. If the oil has a noticable amount of metal in it we check the rod bearings and look for damage. Usually everything is fine though unless you wipe the camshaft all the way flat.

[@Maxumized]

That’s the smartest thing I’ve heard all day

[@marble1114]

I have fixed many hemi's for this reason. I also look at the oil pump and sump, if I see any metal stuck the sump then I look at the pump intake. I have seen a handful that need oil pumps and have found chunks of metal in the oil pan before. Just from what I have seen

[@jyearr6744]

If anyone gives this vid a thumbs down stop sucking off Dodge. This man is just giving unbiased factual real world information. The only opinion he gives is that he actually likes the truck and engine when it's running properly. Great video and thanks for the information 👍

[@MrGTORacer400]

I love my Challenger 5.7 and I own 2 Dodge vehicles, and I agree that he kept everything unbiased and its nice to have an informative video that brings this problem to light.

[@lr43068]

Great video! It's not just the 5.7 Hemis. I just had the same lifter problem with my 6.4 SRT. One of the lifter bearings looked like it was "graded like cheese" and the oil control valve had metal shavings all over it; I only had some codes with one cylinder misfiring but I hear the ticking sound earlier for weeks. This isn't a minor flaw for an engine.