The 5 Worst Warhammer 40k Fan Theories

[@majorkill]

Until the last Siege of Terra book drops and proves me wrong, Sanguinius kills Horus... In the meantime, treat yourself to a 20% off Major Mini at Etsy : www.etsy.com/shop/majorminis/?etsrc=sdt Or Ebay : www.ebay.com.au/str/majorminis Also check out Roys modified 40k toys here : instagram.com/crimsonconquest.customs/

[@Irobert1115HD]

hey majorkill can you put out a bland space marine model that is specificaly designed so that you can turn it into nay chapter you want? best with enough arms to give it some weapon variety and both a helmeted head and a head without a helmet or that as a small package.

[@MrDustyGaming]

Did fucking yoda write that thumbnail. Of hours, a clone abandon is.

[@SaboKitteh]

I really hope GW goes with the theory that Sanguinius kills Horus and the Emperor's hesitation to put him down is what mortally wounds him. It works well.

[@stewiegriffin5557]

You said the emperor had future sight enough to create the tech cults on Mars using the void dragon and treated his son's that didn't betray good, while that insinuated he mistreated his son's he knew would turn on him. How does he have the best power to see into the future out of anyone in real space but didn't see he would be worshipped as a god, creating his warp god version. And if the warp god's always existed, it makes sense that his warp god version helped him beat and trick chaos when he entered the portal on Baal, coming out with incredible power and knowledge to create his son's.

[@stewiegriffin5557]

I believe the emperor let himself be wounded so he would be worshipped into warp godhood being fed psychic energy to bolster his ascension in the warp while also giving his real space body a massive power boost when he decides to resurrect himself at the perfect timing.

[@colinayre2109]

My least favorite theory is that the Tyranids are running from something…their actions do not mimic the actions of a fleeing animal or prey, they are 100% the actions of a swarm species looking for food (Army ants, driver ants, etc)

[@adrienwatson2179]

Yeah, its silly

[@MrFallenone]

Its directly contradicted by the lore... They are ALERTED to the presence of life worthy of consumption because of an accidenal explosion of an Old Ones empathic beacon during the Horus Heresy. It still took them 10k years to arrive.

[@adrienwatson2179]

@@MrFallenone 99% Just a quick update In the new Pharos book, its revealed to be a Necron construct Not too sure why they kinda retconned it beijg an Old Ones machine, considerinf it reacted to emotion... but you know how thr Black Library is lol

[@adrienwatson2179]

@@MrFallenone Because thr Necrons where known to build Empathy machines.... Common Black library....common.

[@hireslehibousacre756]

And what could je the behavior of a fleeing specify, you who seems to have the wisdom of ants?

[@ferrin1892]

My worst theory is that Timmy is a clone of erebus considering people seem to treat them the same

[@QuantemDeconstructor]

that's just a fact my guy

[@worldspam5682]

Even worse theory: Timmy is a Majorkill consciousness trying to retake a body which was taken by some slanesh demon. That would explain why he always makes pp jokes

[@QuantemDeconstructor]

@@worldspam5682 and the comissions he requests...

[@heartbreak_1]

I miss timmy

[@gc6096]

Or Erebus is a clone of Timmy

[@trimeerious4349]

Getting a video about how each of the pre heresy primarchs would react to being in Guillimans situation and how they would rule the imperium would be pretty cool ngl

[@feb1839]

Yeah

[@robertnelson9599]

Keep up the comments, eventually Majorkill will notice.

[@dont9915]

that sounds great!

[@parsath_2584]

Agreed

[@trimeerious4349]

@@robertnelson9599 one day 🫡🥲

[@DukeSolaire]

My terrible theory is that many of the Catachan Jungle Fighters dont exist and most of the regiment is actually just Sly Marbo moving really fast.

[@LordCrate-du8zm]

Not a terrible theory if it’s 100% credible.

[@samhayden60]

I've got a shit theory, Trazyn made a deal with the emperor to let him take one of the legions for his gallery. In return, Trazyn would not go after any of the others and the Emperor gets to purge his army of one of the worst groups. So 2nd legion sucked and had bad gene flaws so was like "works for me bud, take these losers"

[@Franz0818]

Another theory: The 2nd legion then became the kleptomaniacs known as the Blood Ravens

[@worldspam5682]

@@Franz0818 but they are not purged. And they are made a lot of success by destroying whole tyranid fleet with such a little force. (But stll got decimated by Third dawn of war) or what was the latest game about them i genuinely forgot)

[@K-yu-ko8dv]

The emporer tossed in a buy one get one free deal because the 11the primarch was just that fucking unbearable to be around

[@timsheehan6954]

Emps could've don't that with the Tysons though for the same reasons

[@Astrojian]

@@K-yu-ko8dv so unbearable he gets turned into a servitor or some shit would be very grimdark

[@mikedicewrites]

The Emperor ascending to become the 'Chaos' God of 'Order' is the most Ecclesiarchy-level idea I've ever heard.

[@Makorze]

But it makes sense. Even if the Emperor created his secular imperium. The Gods would continue to exist by feeding on other races and wait. If the Emperor can become a Warp God, he could strike at the Gods directly and kill thete essence in the Warp.

[@moderndavinci6599]

I like the idea of the Emperor becoming a Chaos God... But there still being the normal Throne-Bound Emperor (the OG big-E). It'd be a coool me thinks.

[@Nikotheleepic]

People think that warp =chaos but chaos is just an aspect of the psychic mirror reality. Literally anything in existence that has a soil effects the warp, it used to be a place of reincarnation and an afterlife, if anything he would become a warp God of order but not a "chaos god" he is pretty much already a warp god

[@Makorze]

@@Nikotheleepic Kinda like howthe Gods of the Eldar are never referred to as warp gods by the Eldar themselves.

[@Hereforthelols]

CHAOS god of ORDER thats a literal contradiction on itself…oxymoron maybe?

[@bobbysmith669]

The only theory I have is that Huron and the Astral Claws were Loyalist Luna Wolves, not Ultramarine Successors, similar to the theory the Marines Malevolent and Minotaurs are Loyalist Iron Warriors. Either that or Horus snu-snu'd an Amazon from Futurama and Huron is a waaaaaay distant down the line descendant. Huron has ridiculously high charisma, something Horus was known for, to the point he created the second largest Chaos Empire in under 100 years compared to Abaddon taking... What was it, 1000? He's got the giant, iconic metal claw. Led the largest Astartes Civil War since the Heresy. Bald. Was dead/put near death and resurrected by all four Chaos Gods as a Lord of Undivided, like Horus. Plus his name. Just replace the N with S and shift the letters around some.

[@thenerfkid9228]

You know who else is a loyalist successor of the iron warriors. The silver skulls.

[@nobleman9393]

I Thought that the Marines Malevolent and Minotaurs were loyalist World Eaters.

[@MrFallenone]

@@nobleman9393 You mean War Hounds. World Eaters were never loyalists.

[@benjaminhartsock3281]

Like how the Blood Ravens are 110% loyalist Thousand Sons descended?

[@nobleman9393]

@@MrFallenone They were for many decades, Angron even had a rebelion in his legion.

[@gordonfreeman2023]

That Yoda thumbnail. "Of Horus a clone of Abaddon is. Dark side of the warp is he"

[@zacharyclaridge3869]

Beat me to it

[@MrDustyGaming]

@@zacharyclaridge3869just seen someone posed it haha, I’ll go delete.

[@teal_m_101]

Here's my 40k theory- the Chaos Gods never existed and it's all just people gaslighting themselves into doing evil stuff.

[@ThatPianoNoob]

So.. pretty much every religion? I'm not evil, Satan just dared me to!

[@TheCagamerda]

The real chaos gods are the friends we made along the way

[@thenoicesoldier4817]

I had thought about that myself; its a cool idea

[@dogzabob]

Said fabius bile watching a thousand son explode into a chaos spawn

[@ThatPianoNoob]

@@ΒασιληςΛυπηριδης-φ4κ tell them I need to spread more edgy anti religious takes first.

[@Dougharr100]

In my head cannon, nearly all the chapters know the dark angels secret... they just play along to avoid things getting awkward.

[@boaz2578]

How could anyone not know? All it takes is one of the fallen to spout off to a founding chapter and for their chapter librarian to do a deep dive.

[@velphidrow]

@@boaz2578 why would anyone belive a traitor?

[@FailbaddonTheHarmless]

@@velphidrow well, everyone seems to be aight believing Dark Angels.

[@Omicron9999]

Honestly, I wouldn't be surprised if that eventually turns out to be canon pretty soon.

[@eatinganemone89]

I have a theory that that the Chaos gods were originally benevolent or neutral gods, but when Slaanesh was born, it cranked certain aspects of them (pestilence, change, and blood) up to an 11 since Slaanesh is excess personified. This started turning the other three gods into perversions of themselves.

[@TheCorrodedMan]

That’s not a theory, that’s established lore. The Warp was peaceful at one time, home to multiple benevolent gods. When the War in Heaven began, it started to turn into the madhouse we see today, with the main three gods of chaos being born during specific epochs in galactic history: Khorne when interstellar war began to become common, Nurgle when the Black Plague swept across Europe, and Tzeentch during the Renaissance. Slaanesh’s birth made it possible for them to physically impact Realspace, whereas before the Eldar and their gods would just swat them down whenever they got too uppity.

[@KCUFyoufordoxingme]

@@TheCorrodedMan It just doesn't make sense anymore though.

[@Audentior_Ito]

@@TheCorrodedMan Korne: existential interstellar war between highly psychic races Nurgle: plague in one corner of one largely insignificantly-psychic planet (also not even the worst plague in Earth's actual history) Tz: some Italians get real pretentious about columns Slaanesh: highly psychic, nigh-eternal beings trying to out-aesthetic each other by increasingly depraved means If that's still canon, then 2/4 of those are a hella dumb way to birth the setting's most boring antagonists

[@juliane.mfarias9285]

@@Audentior_Ito In all honesty the deamoms in the warp fight for power all the time so TZ climbing the ranks by himself is not out of place, nor by Nurgle. Is also stated in canon (i think) that Chaos binds itself to mankind collective soul in the stone age.

[@moderndavinci6599]

@@Audentior_Ito Slaanesh: "It took me thousands of years of the most psychically connected race indulging in ever increasing diabolical means of lustful indulgence to be born." Tzeentch: "Mama mia! Me creators likesa romantic paintings!"

[@askashik]

The one theory I still hold out hope for, is that at least one of the Lost Primarchs is still alive; either trapped in stasis, or under HEAVY guard by the Adeptus Custodes, deep beneath the Imperial Palace.

[@Ray-yv7kn]

Subject XI?

[@weldonwin]

I had heard of the theory that Sigmar from Warhammer Fantasy was one of the lost Primarchs, that Age of Sigmar takes place within the Webway and the Stormcast actually are Space Marines

[@adrienwatson2179]

The 2nd Primarch is most likely still alive He was last seen going to investigate a Superstructure construct on the 3dge of the galaxy snd never returned It was later insinuated that the construct was Necron. My theory is that they teamed up with thr Silent King to fight off the Tyranids

[@shadesofdusk4031]

@@adrienwatson2179 that or he walked right into trayzn's gallery and was put on display.

[@adrienwatson2179]

@@shadesofdusk4031 That would be pretty funny. Good old Trayzn Trying to "Preserve" things

[@Shini122]

I think if GW is sticking with the emperor fighting Horus then my theory would be this: Emperor arrives to find Horus holding a dead Sanguinius and seemingly crying at what’s he’s done (don’t forget only fulgrim has killed one of his brothers). Big E approach’s Horus believing his favourite son has finally seen the error of his ways and regrets killing his brother, only for Horus to land a mortal wound when the big E is close enough. Horus reveals it was a ploy and seemingly has shed the last of his humanity (can also be seen that he actually was crying and this was the last of his humanity) Horus is now beginning to ascend to demon hood and this is when the big E with a mortal wound fights him. Big E is able to kill Horus before he can fully ascend, destroys his soul and then is taken back to terra by dorn. Feel this would help explain Big E’s reasoning for not just being ruthless and killing Horus from the start when he saw sanguinius dead

[@aleanddragonITA]

Yeah, makes more sense than Sanguinius killing Horus 1)It means that the Chaos Gods know about it, and I am sure Tezneech would know what would happen if voices of this where to leak, but NoOne in Universe talk about this Theory (more absurd Theories at least got mentioned inuniverse, like The Emperor being a Weapon of the Golden/Dark Age, but this?) 2)Why Horus's Souls was destroyed? in Canon Lore The Emperor was down and did the Soul Smashing Kamehameha out of necessity But why would The Emperor destroy the Soul of an already defeated Horus? MajorKill likes this theory simply because he doesn't think Horus is capable of defeating Sanguinius So another theory would be that Sanguinius was still fighting against Horus where the Emperor stopped him and started his fight against Horus Horus was able to trick The Emperor into lowering his Guard The Sacrifice thing happened but it Sanguinius that scraficated himself to save The Emperor from Horus' Chaos Kamehameha (but the Emperor still got wounded) And then the Chaos Gods revealed themselves from inside Horus revealing that Horus was no more (and even taunting Sanguinius' Sacrifice, because they thought the Emperor was done with his Wound) the Emperor became Super Saiyan and blasted the Super Kamehameha trying to kill the Chaos Gods (that where vulnerable because in a weaker body) but the Chaos Gods where able to escape (The Emperor also didn't care about Horus' Soul being destroyed because if something of it was left then the only salvation it could get was being erased) Maybe the Black Rage is the Emperor's Rage and the Vision the Blood Angels have is a Delusion the Emperor has about if he didn't interfer with Sanguinius & Horus Fight (maybe this is too much Emperor's Centric as a Theory) But most likely Horus killed Sanguinius and wounded the Emperor

[@davidsmith-ef3rr]

Not bad

[@primary2630]

That's pretty good. Keeps the status quo but expands on it to make it fit better

[@brendenmalloy1596]

Dorn killed Alpharius.

[@EddyOfTheMaelstrom]

"You will die as your weakling father died: Soulless. Honorless. Weeping. Ashamed."

[@Or_Am_I_Alpharius]

One that’s just disgusting is that the Emperor is actually just Malcador psychically projecting a figurehead.

[@silver1340]

No Emperor?

[@Or_Am_I_Alpharius]

@@silver1340 nope, all Malcador apparently. There’s YT vids and Reddit threads about it, it’s astounding that there are people that buy into that theory.

[@Hereforthelols]

HERESY I SAY

[@andythesaladgod4578]

@@Or_Am_I_Alpharius lmao the comment directly under this is spurting that theory 😂😂😂

[@mapleflag6518]

I bet these are the same people that believe Ghazkull is named after Margaret Thatcher and that Female Space Marines are totally possible.

[@TheWarmachine375]

5:10 Wouldn't it be better if Big E just put the Thunder Warriors into cryostasis and then unleash them to the battlefield in space where they would go down in a blaze of glory?

[@0sm1um76]

The Thunder Warriors needed to die in secret and hence were killed by the custodes and early astartes who could be trusted to not spread word.

[@Yumao420]

Or just use them. He didn't really gave a damn about the World Eaters or pre sanguinius blood angels being as bad as the Thunder Warriors

[@adrienwatson2179]

Yeah, but the Emperor is a bit of a dick to be honest

[@worldspam5682]

Idk their armor wasn't dedicated to survive space condition maybe. But they already fight on a shit hole called Terra so even this didn't work

[@averageeughenjoyer6429]

Yeah he should like keep the way of making them left for others in the imperium since they probably are cheaper than astartes(no geneseed) so the guard could use them

[@phamnhat2925]

9:40 I never knew you were such a man of culture, having Watame present in the final confrontation between Big E and Horus aboard the Vengeful Spirit.

[@bonogiamboni4830]

Not just watame. Watamelon.

[@arkanosvoid6350]

No matter what really happened on the Vengeful Spirit, remember, Watamelon did borderline nothing wrong.... maybe?

[@primary2630]

I was wondering what the fuck that little face was

[@phamnhat2925]

@@arkanosvoid6350 She prrobably distracted Horus and allowed the Emperor to land the killing blow. Watamelon did nothing wrong indeed.

[@BaritoneMonkey]

This.... Was not the crossover I was expecting. My fluffy sheep should have nothing to do with the grimdark of 40k

[@onemisterfranko]

I actually like the tragic twist with sangiunius, he's fought against the dark side of himself for so long but it's been slipping through as the series closes in on the ending, his greatest triumph also being the moment of his greatest fall would fit the tragic nature of his character.

[@garrettmastantuono8043]

I wonder if the emperor on the Golden throne would be like a fountain of youth to the dark eldar. All they would have to do is stand near it and replenish their souls near instantly due to the sheer quantity of suffering.

[@Makorze]

But the Emperor's light can also burn corruption so he could feed their souls but would burn their bodies.

[@ScooterinAB]

I just imagine weird pilgrimaged to Holy Terra, only to start having weird orgies at the foot of the thrown while they are replenished.

[@joshuacoleman8814]

@Makorze So they die but their souls are fed at the same time? Would Slaanesh be able to grab these souls while they are being constantly replenished and are within the field surrounding Terra?

[@Makorze]

@@joshuacoleman8814Intetesting thought isnt it. Theorectically Slannesh could not withstand being that close to the Emperor due his nature just being incomprehensible to s/he/it... but on the other hand, Big E is literally a warp lich at this point, any soul not in a body is gonna get devoured if it lingers anywhere near the Golden Throne

[@discountdisco2273]

Fan theory: Malcador never died he just gained gains, never skipped leg day and became Caldor Draigo

[@gideonhorwitz9434]

😧😡😦🤔 welll maybe there is something to it could explain why the warp wants him contained as much as possible. What if the emperor aided Malkadors soul to reincarnate into another body

[@catalin2766]

This is so ridiculous and dumb but the more I think about it the more I want it to be true

[@callsignsaint1377]

Fuck yeah

[@TheWarmachine375]

1:49 Horus taking Abaddon for a walk. A very enthusiastic walk

[@kennygearheart3737]

I can see the Emperor becoming a god theory happening after The Heresy with him knowing he can never come off the Throne, so over time he slowly tries to grow his power and create a spot for himself in the warp off The Imperiums worship. But that basically became a emergency plan after his mortal wound.

[@casbot71]

Same; It wasn't the Emperors original plan, but he's trying to make the best of a bad situation. His hopes of making Humanity into a better version of the Eldar is totally ruined, so go with the personal power up in order to roll with it.

[@stripeybag6977]

You know on the subject of how the Dark Eldar are working on the Golden Throne it's actually fitting since worst case they add a battery that feeds off agony from one of their toasters or literally anything they have. Also obligatory asking Majorkill for a Mini of the Late Old Man of Armageddon. GLHF to the painters you guys, gals, and other pals are awesome.

[@tarn4633]

The most compelling theory actually is that the entire setting of the 40k is a just a facade with Alpharius playing all the characters.

[@clementcate4730]

One of my favourites is one of the Tyranids origin: they could be a C'tan from another galaxy :D Supporting this: 1) C'tans are reality-bound, manifestations of material laws. Which means, there are most likely Ctans everywhere there are stars to eat, and they may very well be "regional" incarnations, meaning there is a Nightbringer, a Void Dragon, in every galaxy. Why would they ALL be only in the milky way after all? 2) One of the C'tans in the Milky Way was called "The Endless Swarm" (citing the Necron Codex, 9th edition). No more info on him. But... yeah. Endless. Swarm. :DDD 3) C'tans in their primordial form (... gas-like "presence"?) can invade specific kinds of materials that are able to contain them. We only know of the Necrodermis, that is super-tailored and engineered for them, but they could very well be able to invade other type of materials that are adaptable and transformable. Like for example organic matter with mutable genetic material and nervous systems :p 4) Even after their incarnation, C'tans are mostly defined by: greed, gluttony, relentlessness, cruelty, unfathomable, madening, cosmic intelligence and knowledge. Just like the Hive Mind :p Considering all that, the theory goes as follow: - In another galaxy, another "Endless Swarm" C'tan came across a breed of super-adaptable creatures, and managed to "fuse" with them. Alternatively, a Necrontyr-equivalent race found the Ctans as well, and created an organic envelop for them, instead of an inorganic one. - Because of his nature, the Endless Swarm became the most powerful when using an organic vessel, and dominated the galaxy by creating the first "drafts" of Tyranids, becoming the Hive Mind. Though having no presence in the warp at first, the sheer number of "soulless" but still living, sentient creatures he was controlling had the effect of creating this Shadow in the Warp. In this theory, the Shadow is actually just the presence in the Warp of a Ctan that gained sentience through organic vessels, rather than inorganic ones, and was thus able to "reach" and influence the Warp. The shadow would be the presence in the Warp of a C'tan, who are, as we know, not linked to the warp, but through the weak unrefined souls of countless semi-sentient organic vessels would gain a massive "shadowy" presence. - The Endless Swarm continued to replicate endlessly, devouring everything out of greed and gluttony. Eventually, his numbers became so vast that his own mind split into different individual Hive Minds, and they went on their own ways to keep devouring. Some left the galaxy to find other sources of food, the competition becoming too great, or the ressources too scarce. - The different Hive Minds slowly approached the Milky Way. The Silent King was around, and encountered them. He recognized the behaviour of the Endless Swarm, that was vanquished during the War in Heavens, and realized a new incarnation of this C'tan was headed towards the Galaxy. That's why he freaked out. He knows what the Tyranids are. He knows that the only thing that can and WILL completely annihilate everything and everyone, just for the sake of it, are C'tans. C'tans are the ultimate ennemies of everything, and the most evil, destructive forces in the universe that we know of. Szarekh did not really get involved with Chaos that much, he didnt see it as a real threat to his plans, but rather a temporary, self-destructive phenomenon. I don't see anything else that could make him want to ally with other races than the arrival of a new, fully capable, apocalyptic incarnation of a C'tan.

[@viciousyeen6644]

I really like your idea! That thought could work very well with other theories and canon informations

[@ColCoal]

Rogal Dorn tts voice: I was not excited for the end of the great Crusade so I could “start building art instead of bastions”. I was going to continue building bastions and the ones I already built WERE a work of art.

[@serlistogiette4168]

I recently thought of that when people say clearly the Emperor meant to kill the Primarchs and Astartes, because they were never supposed to rule and Mankind was supposed to rule themselves. I always interpreted that as the Primarchs would help guide humanity and be the first line of defense or coordinate most of the defenses so humanity could live in relative peace and not have entire worlds being drafted constantly, and they could focus on progress and living in a time of peace not seen in ages. And even if the Primarchs or Emperor had to step in it'd be to make sure things are running smoothly and ensure everything was well.

[@pentacosttb2565]

I absolutely think GW are going to make Sanguinius winning against Horus canon. When reading Echoes of Eternity, when Angron wounds Sanguinius, at first it reads as if the wound is festering away and sapping his strength, but reading again I think it's implying a wound to Sanguinius's soul, an infection of Khorns rage, that is the true source of the Black Rage, not from Sanguinius himself.

[@_NutcasE_]

It would be the worst decision they have made and would finalize their ruining of Horus's character. Thus far Horus Heresy novels have been just taking a huge shit on emperor and Horus. If Horus loses to Sanguinius then that just further cements him as Abaddon of 30k. Big sad bad who cant even hold a candle to the imperium.

[@davekavanagh7599]

@_NutcasE_ it would make Horus seem weaker. But Horus already is kinda weak, he's been written in such a way that it beggers belief that horus could wound the Emporer, and the Emporers been written in such a way that he simply wouldn't hesitate to end his own son. I feel like that can just be made canon because it makes sense, but while still adding in a few campaigns, attacks or battles where Horus, against all odds absolutely mangles opposing armies or primarchs. Like the Istvann massacre only maybe add in some daemons and shit to add to his slowing receding humanity. I havnt finished the heresy yet but I'm still waiting for a book where chaos juiced horus personally fucks some shit up in a big way

[@amogus1415]

@@davekavanagh7599 idk bout all that.Horus is one of the strongest characthers in the setting.His base was already top 3 primarchs let alone receiving amps from all the gods.

[@benjaminhartsock3281]

@@amogus1415 . . . Not even close my guy. Jaghatai, Fulgrim, Angron, Sanguinius, Magnus, and Vulkan (If it were a death-match) would kick the everloving shit out of Horus pre-heresy.

[@IAMMARTICUS1470]

Disagree with this. In Vengeful Spirit, when Loken tells Russ that Horus would kill him in a fight, Russ, who is literally designed for winning primarch duels, agrees and states that Horus is the only primarch he couldn't defeat 1v1. Horus is supposed to be one of the top tier primarchs in HH novels, no question IMO.

[@sylophyn]

9:55 A wild Watamelon appears.

[@evanfish4505]

My favorite unpopular fan theory is that the Black Templars are Word Bearer successors Mostly because the Templars are almost as favored as the smurfs, but also because it's such a beautifully ironic concept

[@velphidrow]

Except we know exactly where they came from. All the IF who liked Sigi

[@Hereforthelols]

@@velphidrowits possible that some of the early Black templars might have some WE in them given how SIGISMUND was very close to the WE and WE legion had most number of loyalist astartes despite being a traitor legion….my only concern is WE were borderline feral by the time of HH coz of the Nails so its a stretch

[@carlosmiguelteixeiraott3643]

I see Majorkill is engaging in some Yoda speak in his title images. Yoda voice: "Of Horus, a clone, Abaddon is."

[@dhuh6760]

Big E: Calls the Primarchs his sons, learns from his mistakes with Angron to better his relationship with Corax, wanted to remove the nails to save Angron but couldn't, lets them be independent despite his vision for them, wanted the censure of magnus to bring him to Terra to fix the Webway, genuinely believes Horus to be his successor at the helm of the Crusade, builds rooms for the Primarchs in his palace *all in the same hallway*. Stupid Fan Theories: EEEEE-EEEEH-EHHH-EHHH He was gonna genocide them allll!

[@boaz2578]

Neckbeards with daddy issues sure do love their purely maniacal father figure characters.

[@dhuh6760]

@@boaz2578 Dude, it's the *Imperium of man*, if we're being realistic we're debating the moral value between genocide via forced labor or sterilization. Like, they're both in the realm of, "no bad, do not do", but one is worse than the other. Like, he's for sure fucked up as a father figure, but it's the difference between violent and neglectful. They're *both* terrible! It's a futile debate but nonetheless exists.

[@ryangosling9275]

10:05 yes, the strongest, majestic primarch - Watamelon

[@InternetArchivess]

Did any else read the thumbnail as “of Horus a clone abandon is”

[@nobodyimportant4929]

I like to think that between trying to fix the Rubric of Ahriman and unintentionally doing what Tzeentch wants him to do, Ahriman is still making delicious “Ahriman’s Choice Wine”

[@derekdoesmusic6013]

Ollanius' sacrifice could very easily be re-written into the lore if the Sanguinius theory proves true. It could bvery similar as what happened with Horus in the old lore - Emps defends himself but is hesitant to kill the Angel and gets a mortal wound, Ol jumps in between them to plea with the latter (some awesome "remember your noble deeds, Angel, remember what you are! a shining beacon of everything that is best in Humanity! REMEMBER!" speech could be written here), the Angel tries to calm down but fails and kills Ol and Big E sees that he has no choice but to kill the Angel as he's too far gone. He kills the Angel (just kills, not destroys his soul), obliterates Horus' body and soul like in the current lore which leaves him both morally wounded and psychically exhausted and that's when Dorn finds him.

[@leonrogers4576]

But they shouldn't rewrite it because there not what was set up.

[@mrdraken87]

I want Dorn to know. Dorn has proven he will do whatever it takes to keep the Imperium together, by the end of the siege we have seen him bluff plenty of times. hell he killed Alpharius (or Omegon, or maybe just an alpha legion dude) and didnt tell a soul about it. covered that shit up hardcore! I want Dorn to know what happened. I want Dorn to be the one to cover it up and come up with the lie.

[@BM-wf9uf]

@@leonrogers4576 They HAVE to re-write it. The Emperor being to sad to fight back against Horus is garbage. Absolute garbage and makes no sense when you look at his character.

[@leonrogers4576]

@@BM-wf9uf Except it does make sense, because unlike the other primarchs, he saw Horus as his son, he had a strong emotional connection to him. The song "The Death of Horus" explains it better, but the emperor basically had to kill the only primarch he saw as his son. How would you feel if you had to kill your own child? Sadness? Regret? That's what the emperor felt. Honestly I don't get how people commonly misinterpret the emperor despite the fact that under all that power armor and psychic prowess, he's just a man.

[@leonrogers4576]

@@Swagmessiah8394 I'll explain how I explained it to the other guy. The emperor let horus beat the shit out of him because he was hesitant, he felt great sorrow over the fact that he had to murder the only primarch he saw as his true son.

[@mRudie1318]

Yoda out here doin the thumbnails. 😂 "Of Horus, a clone, Abaddon is."

[@OneReallyGrumpyJill]

I think that "Emperor is gonna become Chaos God of Order" makes sense if you just drop the "he planned it" part. He didn't plan it, but this is where he is heading, and this is why it is grimdark. But yeah I too want to see crazy Sangi wound Emperor, sounds badass.

[@andythesaladgod4578]

I kinda agree with this but I wish people would stop calling him the “chaos god of order” he can just be the god of humanity or the god of order not every powerful warp entity has to be a chaos god nobody classifies the Aeldari gods as chaos gods and same should go for a hypothetically ascended Big-E

[@OneReallyGrumpyJill]

@@andythesaladgod4578 I think people mostly call him that because that's just the quickest association to make. Obviously he won't be a "chaos god" of order as that would kinda be backwards: I simply see him using the powers of the warp for his own ends (something that he already probably did before)

[@patricknapier5806]

Anyone else read the thumb nail like Yoda? "Of Horus, a clone Abadon is."

[@RiffSilverthe1andonly]

5:40, also many of the primarchs were designed for things outside of war, Gulliman’s administration, Dorn and Perturabo’s building, Curz’s justice and Angron was meant to be a healer

[@lazprayogha]

Angron was WHAT?

[@wakito64]

@@lazprayogha Angron was able to take the pain away from people. He lost this ability when half of his brain got replaced by the nails

[@electricfeverx976]

@@lazprayogha Angron could take away the pain of others, and possibly do more cool healer stuff but we'll never know. The Butcher's nails stopped him for even being able to use those powers and any he might've developed anymore.

[@RiffSilverthe1andonly]

@@lazprayogha Angron's ability was to heal people and help to ease their mental and physical pain, he did this with his gladiator breathern. But then he got nails in his brain and lost those power and became the tragedy we know today

[@patrik9328]

My worst theory is that Tau was Emperor's secret failsafe backup plan

[@TheWarmachine375]

8:22 She must be one of Big E's many ex-girfriends (including Erda) and was salty that she didn't get to be empress of the Imperium.

[@locomotivefaox]

My theory is that Horus was the warhammer 30,000 and that ciaphas Cain will be revealed as the warhammer 40,000.

[@eatpastarunfasta1096]

That thumbnail took me way to long to comprehend

[@seanjones2524]

The 'Sons of Horus' all looked similar to Horus facially, but only Aximand was said to be (almost) identical to Horus.

[@velphidrow]

You gonna tell me Loken looks like Horus?

[@seanjones2524]

@@velphidrow The 'Sons of Horus' being the name given to those in the Legion that bared a resemblance to Horus.

[@alfredlaalpacadeageofempir9215]

About the 4th theory, i remember an alternate Heresy fanfic where Emprah was a creation of Malcador or something along those lines.

[@Unnatural09]

My fan theory is that there is no such thing as "Krork", there are only Orcs. The Krock is actually the final evolution of the green skins, other wise known as the "Prime-Orcs". As per the description of the prime orcs, the type of superior power armour worn by them, their grasp of the language and their technilogical prowess, it only makes sense that Krork is thier final evolutionary step.

[@MrAbraxus666]

Wild Theory I have about the Emperor. The original Big E was actually Malcador, he's the one who wrekt the Void Dragon, etc. But in the Dark Age, he cloned himself, made himself 100x better and set his Clone up as that whole redundancy MK was talking about. It explains why Malcador was so keen to back up the Big E, regardless of what he suggested.

[@adrienwatson2179]

Was kinda disproved when the Emperor made Malcador literally cry. Not too sure someone would tease and insult themselves

[@MrAbraxus666]

@@adrienwatson2179 You've never seen the Danny DeVito/Arnie Twins movie, haha. Also, that doesn't really disprove anything, you can have twins who if raised differently can be good/bad. So I disagree with saying it's disproven with that. Especially when one twin is a clapped out 25,000 year old base line model and the other is the Turbo version! But again, this is all IMO dude

[@adrienwatson2179]

@@MrAbraxus666 Yeah for sure Its just lore discussions for fun Have you read "Mortis" yet? It puts a LOT of the timelines together Including some of Big Es actions before Malcador was even born... through the eyes of a guy even OLDER than The Emperor It has some serious bombshells that change thr lore completely, throw it upside down and adds a bunch of cool atuff

[@adrienwatson2179]

@@MrAbraxus666 Side note Twins was awesome ahead of its time lol

[@jbark678]

Didn't Malcador say that the Emperor didn't become the Emperor until he met Malcador, or something like that?

[@AkaMisori]

I lost at least 5 neurons trying to read the text on the thumbnail. Damn my brain hurts

[@stevencavanagh7990]

way back when the first Chaos Codex came out, I read, (I think it was in White Dwarf), that it was thought that Abbadon was Horus's Biological Son,

[@ScooterinAB]

I thought the same thing. I think it's because he was called a "son of Horus" but I didn't realize that was the name of the legion.

[@ianharrison5758]

The theory the emperor planned on killing off the legions and primarchs sucks so fucking much. It’s probably one of the most grimderp theories out there. It doesn’t tie up any loose ends, all it serves to do is to give the emperor an evil motive because a god like figure just doing his best isn’t grimdark enough for some fans. Also, each primarch very clearly had some kind of role to take up, planned or not. Primarchs like Leman, The Khan, Corvus, and Vulkan would likely become wardens of the imperium and protect certain sectors and maintain peace. Primarchs like Guilleman, Rogal, Horus, perturabo, and the lion would likely help administrate the imperium as a whole, be it military or logistics to maintain trade. Magnus would likely help Big E with the webway, while the others I didn’t mention would likely either just run their own planets or help out in their own way. You don’t put as much time, resources and responsibility on 18 demigods just to cull them after. Hell, I’m not even convinced both lost primarchs are dead.

[@jorgewyles3025]

9:52 WATAMELON

[@Plesamae]

It’s stated in master of mankind that the Big E has been around forever basically being the son of Abel an subsequently killing Caine with his mind. He’s showing a vision to Ra

[@Nukefandango]

Right. That's obviously questionable, because he might've just been lying to Ra, BUT Ollanius seems to confirm that he knew Neoth back in the day (and we know for a fact he was the emperor's Warmaster during the early bronze age, when they destroyed what is probably the biblical Tower of Babel)

[@aleanddragonITA]

Theory: the Demon born from the First Human Kill (The one that takes the form of Caine) is actually Caine himself that got accidentally turned into a Demon by the Emperor (when the Emperor killed him)

[@BrokeMyCrayon]

The emperor said that the first murder happened well before his uncle killed his father. Check the source again.

[@stferguson88]

I might be slightly off, but I'm pretty sure the Abaddon = Clone thing has been in the lore since 3rd edition (always stated to be a rumour, though). I totally agree with your point, but I think this one long pre-dates much of the actual characterisation for both characters

[@carnage2k4]

Yep, I was always under the impression he was a clone, long before 'fan theories' existed. Went and looked at my 3rd Ed Codex and it's in there. 'rumours of him being an experimental clone-son' GW started this one, not fans.

[@BlankoPie]

As a long-time Blood Angels fan I love the final theory. The red thirst/black rage have always been an incredibly compelling part of the Blood Angel's lore. Not to mention that it makes a ton of sense while providing a much more tragic and shocking end to Sanguinius. .

[@skeletonnoise6178]

About the emperor sitting on the Golden throne. With papa smurf's new Eldar gf couldn't she or any other Eldar, close off the the surrounding sections of the webway

[@WhatMinimap]

Did yoda make the thumbnail? “Of Horus, a clone abaddon is”

[@cantonnierbethcepourlavhy6343]

Haven't seen any disproval of my theory of abbadon's hear being an ork squigg

[@connorcmsmith4302]

The one where Sangunius kills Horus, I like the idea that the Emperor genuinely hesitates to kill Sangunius not out of love but because he doesn’t fully understand what is going on this was not the future he saw something has happened that has altered the strands of fate

[@notpresentplace7449]

Great Work!! I have to say, I really enjoy your videos, way more than other Lore channel’s!!! Video Idea: Where do different races get their power from??

[@rickmustang]

My head cannon. Sanguinius is fighting Horus when Big E shows up. Horus wounds Sanguinius with a warp tainted weapon and Khorne is the reason the Black Rage takes over. Sanguinius has the upper hand and deals a mortal wound to Horus when Big E rolls in. The chaos gods then abandon Horus and Horus realizes he was wrong to go against his father. 2v1 against Sanguinius and he essentially goes full blown Khorne bezerker primarch mode and holds his own for a short time since the Emperor cannot bring himself to kill his own son. Sanguinius then mortally wounds the Emperor and that’s when Ollanius sees the ‘angel’ has fallen and tries to intervene between him and the Emperor with his speech. Sanguinius kills Ollanius which causes a temporary undoing of the Black Rage due to the ‘good’ half within him and Sanguinius tells the Emporer he has to kill him. Black Rage takes back over the Emperor stops holding back. He then strikes down Sanguinius with tears in his eyes and Horus falls to one knee but barely alive. Horus’s last words plead to the Big E that he must protect the imperium and eradicate his soul. Dorn busts in and sees Sanguinius dead and the Emperor holding his favorite son in his arms. Dorn simply nods at the Emperor and the Emperor uses the last of his power to eradicate Horus. The Emperor screams as he’s holding Horus then Horus is gone. The pain of killing both sons is what triggers the Black Rage within the Blood Angels. Only the Emporer and Dorn know what truly happened.

[@grantopithecus5995]

On another note, I am REALLY hoping that Ghazghkull will take revenge against Angron!

[@sachsrussel8295]

That's a textbook "Don't dead open inside" thumbnail you have there, MK. Of Horus A clone Abaddon is It almost sound like a haiku

[@trevorday7923]

Don't trust Etsy as far as you can throw them, their customer service is abysmal/non-existent and they'll ban you with no warning if you get copyright strikes :/

[@cannibalpenguin19]

I think most people forget about the Emperors Left hand the 25 Warlord class Titans that can literally un-make reality, and his plan to pit half the Primarchs against the others and then wipe out the Victor's and bring out his next favorite creations. He was always striving for the next best thing and leaving his old creations for the trash bin.

[@Arkantos117]

I have yet to be convinced that Russ isn't in the warp trying to rescue Isha so that she can heal the Emperor and then become his wife to unite the Eldar & Humanity.

[@Mag_ladroth]

He would have to beat Nurgle for that

[@Arkantos117]

@@Mag_ladroth He can sneak.

[@Mag_ladroth]

@@Arkantos117 No way he can steal Nurgle's wife though

[@boaz2578]

Ayo that would be a solid wrap up

[@wesleyfravel5149]

@@Mag_ladroth Theory relies on 2 things. 1.) Russ himself becoming Wulfen, who are fairly resistant to the warp. That combined with Leman having an anti-Psyker scream people think could buy him the time he needs to use 2.) his Spear. To put it simply, it is a chaos destroying weapon. We've seen what it did to Horus, and what the Emperor's sword did to Nurgle's realm. It's theorized if it hit Nurgle it could force him to give her up, as the other option is let himself be weakened enough for the other gods to divide him up. Again, pure theory, but it's not the most insane one.

[@bananaboy2373]

New fan theory: every 40k story/expierence is personalized, therefore 40k as a idea doesn't exist but a collective conscious we as the fans had gaslit ourselves into believing

[@electricfeverx976]

So, it's just SCP?

[@bungholio1586]

Every copy of 40K is personalized.

[@indrickboreale7381]

We aren't Orks though

[@jbark678]

A gestalt setting?

[@keithwalski6822]

emps becoming a god is the perfect irony that i wouldn't be surprised if that happens.

[@Son.D.Lollipop]

The idea of thr blood angels entering the black rage because sanguinous does it first just makes SOO much more sense than them going into it because he died. They don’t even have ti change how the BAs go into it. To me it just makes no sense for them ti some how get a vision of their primarch on the ground dead and then they scream HORUS! And go ape shit. Instead them actually thinking they’re sanguinous in the moment going ape sit against whoever they think is Horus

[@loe9157]

Agreed

[@GasolineBoots]

I feel kinda bad now, i just bought my first majorkill mini’s off the website yesterday. Had i known you wanted us to i’d have used etsy or ebay. I guess i’ll just order my future minis from one of those sites. Keep up the great work!

[@DaveGeordie]

The abaddon horus clone is also hinted at in the fabius bile novels, though i think its more of a mocking dig at the theory

[@adrienwatson2179]

Maybe The majority of Primarch power comes from the Emperor shoving a warp god into their meat suit. Without that power, they wouldnt even be close to standard Primarch power

[@benjaminhartsock3281]

it's also also hinted at in 3rd Edition.

[@mitchmitting102]

I honestly hate the theory Emps would throw the Primarchs away. Makes no sense to discard his sons when every one of the Legions and their Primarch have distinct peace time skills or duties. Perty and Rogal for example would have been a builders, Sangunius would have been the moral heart of the Imperium, etc.

[@shrobee]

Sanguinius represents the hope of the imperium. I love the idea that Big E killing him, thematically it says big e’s hubris caused this whole mess. Meaning E is at as much of a fault as Erebus

[@whocaresreallywho2464]

think your find that The First Legion being the hope and backbone of the imperium

[@BM-wf9uf]

@@whocaresreallywho2464 Not really, The Lion and his secretive Legion could not take the inspirational place of Sanguinius and his Angels.

[@whocaresreallywho2464]

@@BM-wf9uf think your find The Lion and The first gave more hope the sight and his would be angels. Is a reason the dark angels are the true angels of death and the template all the other legions where created from. The secrets came after Luthor betrayed the lion So yeah the first are the backbone and hope of the imperium as the imperium knew if the first showed up then things would turn out ok or are you forgetting why the big E sent them to make sure the third rangdan war was the final one? btw i know we all bias to the legions we prefer and we shall defend them to death

[@BM-wf9uf]

@@whocaresreallywho2464 My favourite Primarch is the Lion along with his legion. Yet even I know that they were not the inspiration of the Imperium like Sanguinius. The Lion's secretive nature along with that of his Legion existed before Luther's betrayal. It's why few of the Primarchs trusted The Lion. Guilliman for example didn't place The Lion in his dauntless few because he didn't trust him. He said the Lion kept his own own company too much and kept too many secrets. Guilliman is quoted as saying: "There is too much of the wild forests of Caliban in him". I think you've misinterpreted the role the Emperor gave The Lion and his Legion...

[@whocaresreallywho2464]

@@BM-wf9uf which primarchs didn't trust the lion? Guilliman knew he needed the lion to be with him and siggy for the second imperium to have worked. Horus made sure the lion and his angels where the furthest from terra when the heresy started. Yes the lion wasn't a people person like horus but he was one of the best tacticians the imperium had, was most likely the greatest dualist of the primarchs. What secrets did they keep before the betrayal of Luthor? The big E gave them toys that no other legion had, weapons for the dark age, men of iron.... Yeah the lion was a poor judge of character but he wasn't that secretive before the betrayal. You have examples of secrets being kept? As to smurf daddy he would say that, look at how he grew up compared to the lion.... The lion was what a teen when he was finally found by Luthor? He had been living in the forests hunting and killing the creatures of chaos that lived on the death world that was caliban

[@laurentlambertvien3650]

Thx for the content my man! Starting 2023 with bang last video about the pariah was a awsome! Keep it up

[@scpwatcher8289]

My theory is that belisarius cawl didn’t actually Make the primaris Marines. But instead “found” a type of gene seed that the raven guard used after istvaan 5 to help repair his legions strength supposedly the Marines created from this gene seed where bigger faster and stronger. And the only reason why they don’t have it now is because the alpha Legion tainted and stole the rest ( I do not know if this is still Canon or not)

[@ScooterinAB]

That would make the Primaris Marines far less dumb and insulting. It can't be true. :P

[@randomdude6446]

The issue is that the raptors did not have any extra organs and looked very different from baseline Astartes

[@scpwatcher8289]

@@randomdude6446huh ok thanks. But it is still going to be my head cannon, because the primaris marines lore on how they first came around make's me mad still. and the raptors is a cool part of lore as well

[@randomdude6446]

@@scpwatcher8289 yeah well that's a pretty fun head canon an a lot better than GW magicked them into existence and tried to pretend otherwise

[@Salted_Fysh]

I think the worst 40k fan theory I've heard is that Abaddon is not a complete failure and that his black crusades all actually had a secret objective that they managed to fulfill. To be fair to the Dark Age creation theory though, it makes just as much sense as a super powerful psyker like the Emperor being created by a bunch of hairless monkeys on a backwater planet sacrificing themselves to fuse their powers. Humanity doesn't even begin to get close to the psychic potential of the Eldar and it took the entirety of the Eldar race at their zenith of power to birth the weakest of the Chaos Gods. And the Emperor supposedly can go toe to toe with the Big Four.

[@deltaturnip9247]

Well the last theory is pretty good I would be genuinely sad if it happend because I like the fact that ollonious pius jumps in front of the emporor to stop horus since it was just a normal man doing a amazing thing also I kind of like the idea that big e still loved horus just enough to not kill him

[@KryptonianBaby]

Tbh the Ollanius pius being a normal person who stepped in sounds like propaganda boosting the idea that every single guardsman is necessary and important to the war effort and should be willing to sacrifice themselves because it may mean the difference between victory and annihilation for humanity, the Emperor representing humanity of course. In this universe, the idea that the imperium would totally fudge a story like this or at least massively change the details is almost a certain one.

[@Tangoe4]

At 9:50. Who's that little dude by the emperors right foot? 🤣

[@boaz2578]

bruh ive been asking myself that for the past few minutes. I think Majorkill just got a shitty version of the picture from some reddit post with a meme or easteregg

[@dennisdoner5804]

Hey Majorkill i have a video idea since you mentioned that the big e would have a hard time fighting against alle the primearchs and their legions i was wondering if you could maybe do a video about what you think how many primearch would be needed to beat the big e oder maybe how many custodes would be needed to kill a primearch. P.S Love your vids Cheers from Germany

[@photojinndjinn]

Did anyone else read the thumbnail as if it was spoken by Yoda? "Of Horus, a clone Abaddon is." 😅

[@JohnDiabol]

Man the current lore did the emperor dirty by making him into a cold blooded tyrant. He was such a cool and inspiring character as the savior of mankind that loved all his children dearly.

[@sercravenmohead3631]

You gotta think in most cases famous leaders and celebrities are narcissistic, there is no way realistically that the Emperor isn’t narcissistic and cutthroat, whilst yeah his deeds saved humanity it also meant being one of the most powerful people in the galaxy. He’s also gassed up by his followers even his sons who are surprised what he’s actually like in person, he’s manipulative but he has to be just like all great leaders you can’t be a “good” person.

[@Nukefandango]

Nah man, he's way more interesting as a tragic figure: a dude who started off with undeniably good intentions, only to become the very evil god he tried to protect humanity from. It's worth noting that the worst aspects of him as a father are explained by the power he took at Molech. Valdor and Malcador reflect on how he's losing his humanity at the end Valdor's book. The Emperor stole power to create the Primarchs, perhaps not fully understanding the cost to his soul. Erda describes him as a genuinely funny dude, as witty as he was charismatic, proud and egotistical but not a complete tyrant, which is very much at odds with the guy we see punish Lorgar and abandon Angron's friends. The inconsistent behavior toward the Primarchs is best explained by the slow loss of his humanity after taking power at Molech. Hell, we see the same thing happen with Horus, to an extent, just faster and more acute because Horus isn't already a god tier psyker perpetual. Erda says that Neoth's greatest flaw was just not listening to his peers. He never wanted what the Imperium has become...but now, after ten thousand years on the Throne, after billions of souls being sacrificed to keep him alive (and therefore the astronomicon), we have to wonder what if anything is left of the man who grew up in Anatolia a few hundred thousand years ago.

[@Nukefandango]

@@sercravenmohead3631 yeah man, you have to have a certain level of narcissism to make fuckhuge gold statues of yourself while people in your empire are still starving to death.

[@grimnir8872]

@@sercravenmohead3631 "Muh realism" is the most pathetic and overused excuse for the dulling down of fantasy and fiction, but then again this is the HH series, a series designed to have medicore writers tarnish 40k with daddy issues and fedora tipping.

[@Nukefandango]

@@grimnir8872 I genuinely don't think making the Emperor, a human, have human impulses and flaws, is "tarnishing" anything. I agree, it isn't always well written, but the idea that the Primarchs are ultimately flawed creations of a flawed creator whose plan to save humanity backfires is very compelling.

[@lelouche25]

Wait, so Horus gene seed made his sons bald too? Yeah id have turned traitor too.

[@thelakeguardian8188]

Could we get the top 5 best 40k Fan Theories?

[@MrObasiah]

“Of Horus a clone abaddon is” -chapter master Yoda

[@elliottholt4903]

I know its not a popular theory for a lot of people, but I still like the idea that the Tyranids are a creation of the old ones coming to wipe out sentient life so they can return without the worry of the Chaos gods so the old ones could finally put down their old enemies

[@isuckatusernames4297]

as long as it isn't "they're running away from soemthing"

[@joriankell1983]

Except Tyranids would have been useless against the necrons...

[@vaguedreams]

@@joriankell1983 The necrons would have been back in the flesh by then.

[@isuckatusernames4297]

@@joriankell1983 the necrons are *FAR* from the level they were at during the war in heaven. plus, there are some (albeit quite uncommon and relatively isolated) cases of tyranids "eating" trought necron constructs and attacking them. plus, you're forgetting that the necrons would bot only be quite spent by the tile the last tyranid is dead, but there would also be no biomass left to referse the biotransference process

[@primary2630]

@@isuckatusernames4297 agreed, that is so dumb

[@TheKlabim]

"Of Horus a clone abbadon is" - Yoda, Jedi Master

[@michasalamon8315]

How people expect Sanguinius to kill Horus after getting his shit kicked in by Ka'Banda and almost dying to Angron is beyond me. Literally the only reason why he didn't die in the Echoes of Eternity is because fate/primarchs warp powers to bend reality.

[@primary2630]

Right i feel like people just forget about prior events when making up theories

[@majorkill]

Black Rage

[@durrangodsgrief6503]

if im being honest I see some of the gods specifically Khorne being like "Angels are cooler" and just dumping his shit on a black raged sanguinius @@majorkill

[@bonefetcherbrimley7740]

My bad theory is that the entirety of 40k lore is just a fever dream of the Emperor after he contracted Eldar gonorrhea, after visiting a brothel on a particularly skeezy Eldar craftworld. And he's now in the hospital fighting for his life.

[@mapleflag6518]

Oh don’t forget the theory that the other characters represent a trait of Big E that was made by someone trying to seem all deep and philosophical.

[@LordCrate-du8zm]

The Eldarussy was too powerful.

[@hitnfgsbluntd1194]

@9:53 I see you Wata-melon🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣

[@Tom-xl2kl]

I think a combination of the Sanguinius theory could work, something along the lines of Sang kicking Horus's ass so hard it seems like he dies, then emps shows up puts the mad Sanguinius down and it's revealed that Sang beat the chaos powers out of Horus but Horus is no longer a meat suit but still regrets nothing and that's what makes the emperor wreck his shit. This way we get the Horus meatpuppet story, Real Horus Vs The Emp, Complete Sang's Fate story of his rise and fall and it makes Sang the soldier that horus "kills" and causes Emps to destroy him, it also plays on the idea that as Horus dies the chaos powers leave him and he regrets it by changing it that he doesn't regret it, so horus is still accountable and that the powers leaving him was earlier. It would be a cop out to say that Horus wasn't at fault or was just turned evil completely, the chaos powers just unleashed something fucked that was always there and exploited it to create a avatar to fight emps with. I think the only major problem with this theory is that i don't think normal Horus could beat emps to the point he has to go full golden throne but i'm sure Dan abnett could think of something. I think it's more interesting when multiple fan theories are correct then just one or changing the story because the audience predicted it.

[@NP3GA]

Day thirty four of asking majorkill to compare Abaddon and Archaeon

[@thelakeguardian8188]

I was just looking for a video like this just now! Great timing, Majorkill!

[@tellierken69]

Of Horus a clone Abaddon is.

[@clemo85]

I recently had a stupid theory that Nurgle is actually the last Old One that became corrupted and evil while hiding in the Warp.

[@nodachibull8342]

I dislike the Sanguinius killing Horus theory, so many people just want it so they get a twist ending. The current lore still makes complete sense, more sense than the theory, and the themes are still extremely relevant. Horus (representing the slow and inevitable corruption of humanity (like how the Imperium is now)) kills Sanguinius (representing the potential of what humanity could become under the Emperor) the blood angles loose their minds (representing humanity slowly becoming a rage filled shadow of its former self (like the Imperium is now)) the Emperor finds them and Hesitates (he's seeing all his work and preparation be destroyed and sees the future of humanity in Horus) and gets wounded but through sheer will fights back and destroys Horus completely (representing humanities indomitable will fighting against inevitability). A good solid story that sets the foundation of modern 40k that I'm sure GW's will completely fumble in the new books as is standard.

[@sheeva-lannister]

I love the fact that one of the pictures majorkill used on the theory about sanguinius has Watamelon besides the emperor as he see horus kill sanguinius

[@c4ld0r]

Holy shit, the sanguinius killing horus theory is absolutely amazing. Its now my permanent head cannon, adore it

[@jamesv.7041]

Back around the turn of 3rd/4th edition 40K, in about 2003/2004, a lot of GW store staff and local lore nerds would talk up Sanguinius' sacrifice and claim that he did indeed literally open a chink in Horus' armor. I was far too young and impressionable at the time to do anything other than eat it up but thought I remember this being mentioned in the 3rd or 4th edition rulebook if my memory serves me correctly. This could not exist at all, as my friends owned the actual rulebooks (stuff was/is expensive for teenagers) and I only owned my relevant codices. God, did we spend hours gawking at the images in those books...

[@redjaypictures4528]

In some peice of lore, we actually learn that emps was born in an ancient kingdom known as “Anatolia” which today is part of Turkey 🇹🇷

[@wellhungindung]

Sanguinius was also literally exhausted from fighting Bandor and Angron amongst and taking down Titans etc all at the siege of Terra.

[@realjuliuscaesar]

Ka'bandha?