The 50 Foot Carbon Fiber Catamaran From Carbon Ocean Yachts

[@rosskeeble4997]

I once owned a 1979 catamaran with a rotating mast, lifting boards, and rudders. It held the round-the-Isle of Wight speed record of 22 knots. I attempted to turn it into a cruising yacht, which led me on a merry journey around the Welsh/Cornish coastline in the 90's. When aged in your twenties, it was super fast for cruising, but fast enough for 28 feet long to scare the living daylights out of me when I almost pitch-polled in a force 5 (after a gale 8) with a triple reefed main and a No3 jib (at 17 knots). Trimming the boards is very important to this design, but it is cool to sail up a beach under a spinnaker and order an ice cream. I would have one of these, except I definitely don't have a spare $$$$$$$, but a friend found my old boat sitting abandoned in a yard in the south of England; you could probably pick it up for a few hundred pounds now if anyone wants a cheaper version.

[@danahawthorne1633]

Thanks PS Tim. I enjoy learning about these exotic boats as well as the practical ones. I notice lots of comments by people experienced in one thing or another making comments about things they don’t know. I’m going to keep my trap shut 😅 as I would just be one of them. It is great to be aware of what is possible. I sail a boat that was experimental at the time (1991) and it is still a good boat. Since it is a plastic boat she can be modified quite a bit to include new technology so that is why I like looking at new stuff. ❤ Cheers!

[@UncleJoeLITE]

Sadly I'll never be rich enough to die at sea in such a boat! Thanks Tim. 🇦🇺 ⚓

[@stevengross8698]

I think you've got that idea turned around backwards.

[@UncleJoeLITE]

​@@stevengross8698Nope lol, it was literal. 😊

[@RexWhite-rw4pg]

Some simpliciaties discovered for sure. Keep chasing the essence of sailing. Fast, safe and simple. You are good at this stuff captain.

[@mattd370]

Absolutely sick boat. Glad you got to get build footy. Keep crushing

[@Franco.Zanchi]

Nice workmanship. Looks like a mix of old Gunboats and Marsaudons.

[@USA4thewin]

ya both that capsize on trial

[@Franco.Zanchi]

@USA4thewin there's a Gunboat 66 which capsized in a race last year, an TS5 which also capsized in a race some 4 years ago. I can't remember more than a few big boats capsized in the last 10 years. And none is a boat fault.

[@mostlysailingnz]

You should do a video about electrolysis in carbon fiber hulls as well as break down when exposed to UV light

[@LoanwordEggcorn]

Nice boat. Thanks for the tour. Like the inside helm, performance, styling, build. Aluminum is a lot more Earth friendly than plastic.

[@brownnoise357]

@@LoanwordEggcorn Unless looked after right, aluminiums Boats can lave a residue far less friendly to the environment than GRP boats which dissolve into Water and Esters inside 80 years. While Esters usually end up smelly - see the contents of Ofpsi’s blisters and smell them for confirmation - there is no actual environmental impact.as an aside, micro plastics residue are nothing but a fabricated myth, as exposed to UV light, plastics are normally completely gone inside 12. Months, which is why the 1960’’s Scare Warning of every Beach on the Planet being 30 feet deep in Plastic Waste in ten years, never happened, and as that Prediction meant a 6foot depth in 2 years, the real Scientists that we still had back then, looked extremely closely into what actually was going on with Plastics. Their Findings entered into the Civil and Structural Engineering Course Content that I was Studying in the 1970’s, and has a,lowed me to criticise from a Solid position the utter Bollox presented via Agenda Serving Fake Science that we are presently suffering under today, and which is so Outrageous now, it caused Multi Disciplined Engineer me, to get turned into an amateur Scientist to Debunk the Blatant Ocean Acidification Fraud, that was attempting to extract Large Amounts of Public Money from the UK GovernmentScience and Technology Committee, so I wrote the Paper that blew it off the Coral Reefs for them. That Paper impressed the Committee enough, for the Chatman asked for, and received my permission to publish it. I don’t think the words ‘Ocean Acidification’ have been mentioned in Parliament Since. However, amongst all of the Data collected in writing that paper, and confirmed by other sources since, including indications from Mars Atmosphere Research findings, a very Real and Serious Problem has emerged, which confirms that we have a Serious Shortage of CO2 Content in Our Atmosphere, which has developed due to far too much CO2 being locked away or of the Reach of Life and Biodiversity in OurOceans, which contain about 140 times more CO2 than the Atmosphere- that is not a typo it is about a hundred and forty times more. Mars Atmosphere Research indicates that very likely a healthy Surplus of CO2 Content, combined with plenty of vigorous plant growth photosynthesismay actively work to Prevent a RunawayGreenhouse effect, and there does appear to have historic record of that being the Case ? As those were the Conditions at the Time of the Dinosaurs. Lots of CO2, lots of extremely vigorous Plant Growth, vast Herds of Dinosaurs pooping, farting and belching Methane, yet clearly, No Runaway Greenhouse Effect ? For literally Decades now, we have been encouraged to bark up an absolute Forest of Sring Trees, and have ended up with an insane Net Zero Policy, which likely is going to result in the Serious Shortage of CO2 Content turning into a Critical Shortage. Yet a friend Posting Graph format confirmation evidence backing all this up for Govrrnment Minister Ed Miliband to see on his X Account, has the Minister deleing the Evidence Posted. What the actual hell is going on ? 🤔

[@marccohen5579]

Interesting!

[@HandyMan657]

So this is a 50" Island Spirit? It certainly looks like one on the inside, and it kinda looks like an Outremer on the outside. Interesting choices. Thanks, Tim. Take care and Fair winds.

[@brownnoise357]

Hi Tim.having had lots of Carbon Fiber Fishing Rods, I’m not exactly excited by thoughts of actually sitting on a boat made of it in a Thunderstorm, so nothing close to a boat that I would have ambitions to own personally. But if that is the buyers’thing’ good luck to them I say. The only Multi Hull I would actually consider buying with some drastic changes to the Mast and Boom, would be a Nautitech Catamarans, with a mild interest in an as good Catana Catamaran, as nothing else has good value in the form of a Catamaran that is actually good at Sailing, but I still much prefer the massive running cost and good Sailing advantages of Monohulls, and especially the the well designed wide beamed Models from the pen of architects as good as Umberto Felci. I know, I’m a Right Old Fussypants aren’t I. 😅 Best Wishes. Bob, who might just end up with a tide me over Catalina 386, if I can get a Shallow enough Draft.The Shy of which is nicely encapsulated by Sam Holmes latest video of his trip up the Gambia River - not that I personally plan on Sailing up West African Rivers, as my Doctor of Tropical Diseases Uncle ran a Health Clinic there for years, and for Nasty Diseases, it is an area worth avoiding as much as China is frankly, but I do like Sailing into Estuaries and up Rivers very much myself, which requires the Cruising Sailboat to have a really shallow Draft, and a low Mast Air Draft, to get under the bloody power lines that Cross Rivers in many parts of the world, hence I need a 40 foot above the Waterline Mast height, to give under 50 feet with a 6 db gain Shakespeare VHF Aerial on on top. But boat builders don’t seem to think I am serious, and think insanely deep Drafts and ridiculously Tall Masts are essential because Sailboats need to only Sail in the bloody Mediterranean.😅😅😅 Best Wishes.Bob. PS. The Catalina 386 has a Shallowest Draft of 4 feet 8 inches, which is NOT Shallow Enough. It needs at least 5 inches knocked off that, then it would match the Draft of my Endeavour 32. The Only Sailboat made today, that can beat that, is the Island Packet IP 349 which has a Draft of 4 foot, so I may have to get one of those. At leat Darrel has confirmed that I can get an essential second Head as a Custom option with one. Never buy a boat with only one head if you ever have guests or entertain on board, as it can get very messy.🤢

[@clivestainlesssteelwomble7665]

Have you looked at the Windelo's... ? Smaller but with shallow draft is the 38ft maincats with its covered central helm

[@LoanwordEggcorn]

Shallow draft and monohull are at least partially contradictory for righting moment, without something like a lifting keel. There are many different catamaran designs around. The form stability of multihulls seems better than monos' stability from heavy and usually deep keels. Your mileage may vary.

[@Morrisfactor]

It is impressive in many respects, but perhaps not practical for cruising. I've sailed mutithulls at 15 - 20 knots for hours on end and while exciting, it is also NERVEWRACKING. The loads on the hull, rudders, rigging are extreme, and if you hit something at that speed - I don't even like to think about it - plus the very real possibility of capsizing if the crew isn't paying a lot of attention. I think this boat would be awesome for light air, but I'd sure as heck sail her VERY conservatively once the wind pipes up. The aft rudders look like they'd snag a lot of kelp or Sargasso weed. Plus I'm not a fan of Saildrives. But if one loves an emphasis on FAST, I'm sure this boat delivers.

[@brownnoise357]

Well put. I would rapidly become a nervous Wreck Sailing anything like that as well. Me ?Dyed in the Wool Cruising Monohull Sailor, and an Old Fart looking for easy and safe handling, no boom reaching into the Cockpit breaking preventers, in Mast Furling and the Boom length stopping in line with the Mainsheet track in front of the Sprayhood, for good Boom Control and bloody Strong Preventers that can be totally relied on, no matter the Conditions. Battenless Triradial Main Construction too, with reinforced Reef Points, which Sailmakers are finally prepared to make, so no Batten Chafing wear and tear creating furling and unfurling reliability issues, and the construction recovers most of the power lost from not having battens. Fast Reliable Reefing Gained, plus UV damage protection for the Sail Cloth, and very little actual loss of power or speed. Won’t be liked by Sailboat Racers of course but sorry Tim, but what real Cruiser Voyager gives a damn about them, if I arrive at my destination a few hours later than them with my Standing Rigging , Running Rigging intact, and none of my Sails blown Out because I am able to rapidly depower by reefing early thanks to Weather Helm early warning feedback ? Actually, I noticed when running for Shelter from an incoming Tornado, by reacting similarly, I managed to be the first one into the Harbour of Refuge in Rhode Island, and all of the Racer Types were in neat rows behind me, so I must be doing something right? 😅😅😅

[@mikestevens9455]

yes, 15-20 kts. is exciting for a while but at night in coastal waters its sketchy, I suppose this cat has FLIR but thats tough on night vision.

[@LoanwordEggcorn]

Performance boats can sail fast, but it doesn't mean they need to do so 100% of the time. A practical advantage of higher performance is to be able to sail in lighter winds and therefore sail more often and motor less often (for cruising). This particular boat doesn't seem like a cruiser, but a performance oriented cruiser can spend more time under sail, and sail more efficiently, and in lighter winds. (Pardon the run on sentence.)

[@Morrisfactor]

@@LoanwordEggcorn I agree with what you said. The trick is to carry reduced sail area at night, when a squall might upend such a superlight multihull - that - and a very attentive crew.

[@dantetriana148]

I saw it! It won best in show.

[@richardrubel1823]

wondering how good the lines of sight are from both, the far aft tillers and inside with the large rotating mast directly in front of the wheel. This also does not provide any nice exterior command platform

[@dennisstockstill1649]

Have you reviewed the Smart Cat S280?

[@davidstorer5551]

It's oK if you have endless pockets of money 🤑. But for the real world, a simpler, fast comfortable live aboard yacht is what it's all about for most of us. Made in America. To.

[@LoanwordEggcorn]

This is a bit more of a toy.

[@USA4thewin]

quick note ,, everyone with a carbon boat tell me they love them ,, (because they paid so much extra for the boat) but the people who have sailed on carbon boats tell me they hate them because of how much sound they produce smacking into the waves amplifies everything. one guy even told me if i ever buy a carbon boat it will drive me insane from the noise.

[@MarchTwentyfour-t8z]

That's true, there's no doubt they are lighter, stronger and stiffer than other materials but for cruising it's essential to have excellent sound insulation and to have equally light weight sound insulation means aerogel which on a 50 footer would add at least $300k to the cost of construction. Is it worth it? For many, absolutely not, but for the few that crave excellence in every respect, hell yes!

[@seandayma]

It is always amazing at how many obscenely expensive yachts you cover. I definitely am not in the multi-million dollar yacht market. I am also not buying a Lamborghini anytime soon. They're nice to look at, but out of reach for this mortal.

[@markthomasson5077]

I think you meant asymmetric foils.

[@LoanwordEggcorn]

They could be symmetrical, but that wouldn't make much sense with curved foils, so yes, probably asymmetric.

[@TimAch-p2c]

So you can save a million bucks on the second one. Hmmm. Quite the Practical Sailor. I'm sure they have a fleet in Newport in no time.

[@yanassi]

Truly beautiful and interesting, but so irrelevant to most. Thanks for the story.

[@ArturZagaj-Izraelita]

Ładny, ale ja bym mu masztu nie budował tylko dach z 20 panelami słonecznymi o mocy 420wat każdy. Słońce świeci każdego dnia, z uzyskanego pądu można mieć siłę do transportu ale także do życia choćby do odsalarki. Żagle nie są takie praktyczne jak panele słoneczne.🌐🏝

[@LoanwordEggcorn]

Sails are better for moving the boat. Can also have lots of solar for everything else.

[@thomasjohannsen1997]

What the heck is a "rotating mast"?

[@LoanwordEggcorn]

It's an airfoil shaped mast that's rotated into the wind for lower drag and more performance. They're actually somewhat common on performance boats. I like streamlined sleeves (front part of sail wrapping around mast) better.

[@thomasjohannsen1997]

@LoanwordEggcorn Wow that sounds expensive and high-maintenance. Thank you for the explanation.

[@LoanwordEggcorn]

@@thomasjohannsen1997 Sort of agree, but they're even on some relatively low end boats now. It does add some complexity and cost though. You're welcome!

[@lynettehardy8653]

It’s not really a rotating mast, that would be an Aerorig, look it up

[@LoanwordEggcorn]

@@lynettehardy8653 It is a rotating mast. Aerorig is a rotating boom. Not the same thing.

[@orion_13]

I hope this company has better results from solar electric hybrid stuff than the Wynns have. Edit: I meant to include the carbon fiber too...because according to the Wynn that is the issue. It was eating anodes like candy.

[@angela1984a]

They Wynn's have not spoken about the root cause. But HH has. You can find a video about it on their website. And no - the carbon was not the root cause. This other company - Carbon Ocean Yachts - that has made this red cat is apparently not a new player. They've built a couple of boats previously. I don't know how stuff like this works, but guessing that they could provide references of some sort based on previous completed projects if you're in the market.

[@orion_13]

@angela1984a Carbon fiber is a conductor, or else HH wouldn't have said "We think we have solved the problems with stray currents by isolating the water pumps." You can't have poor wiring on a carbon fiber anything. The first thing they had problems with was the fridge, which had horrible wiring according to both parties. I have no doubts that there are other issues with that 3rd party fridge but the installation wasn't thought out. Yes HH seems to be owning up to the problems on this boat and suggested that they need to cover 2 or more years of warranty on the other boats in this product run. So yes I've seen both videos, thank you. Your pointing out that this isn't HH first carbon boat is exactly why you can't take anything for granted and WHY I wished these guys luck.

[@LoanwordEggcorn]

Galvanic corrosion can happen on any boat that has more than 1 metal alloy in contact with the water, EVEN WOODEN BOATS. It's why electrical bonding and sacrificial anodes matter.

[@angela1984a]

@@orion_13 I pointed out that _Carbon Ocean Yachts_ that made this red catamaran has made other boats previously. But sure… So has HH. Otherwise I agree with LoanwordEggcorn here in the comment section.

[@AdeboFunkyVoodoo]

What does luck have to do with anything? Every new boat has issues. Custom and semi-custom boats more so. First/early hulls even more so again. They have an early hull, of a new design/concept semi-custom boat. Of course there were going to be issues. Not good luck or bad luck. Just the way it is.

[@WillN2Go1]

Looks exciting. After being on a brand new boat, and hearing stories of other brand new boats -- and the lack of company support... And horror stories like the ORC 57 owner whose dagger board housing fell apart after a couple of months, or the Rapido 60 whose rudders fell apart on the maiden voyage -- and the subsequent lack of support -- I think this might be the way to go. Full custom, full support, nobody goes broke because the owner has deep deep pockets. I think we all assume that when you finally have enough money you can just pay people to..... No you can't. Often you can't even find people to pay. So that luxury boat you've just paid $800k or $2m for? mostly you're in the same situation as the guy with the $10k boat -- you have to figure it out. And then there are the Wynn's and their brand new HH... they're chartering a canal boat in Belgium because their brand new $2m+ performance cat has an intractable problem.

[@angela1984a]

Are you sure the Wynn's cat was $2M+?… I doubt it was since SLV's Rapido 60 was $2.4M… And that Rapido 60 (not the Sailing La Vagabonde one) has only one rudder, and it didn't fall apart, but the rudder casing needed warranty work - some kind of bearing was cracked. There's info about this in a thread on Sailing Anarchy. There you'll find info from both sides. And there's a lot more to it than what's in those 2 videos here on Y-tube that you are referring to… Don't know about the ORC 57, but considering there are 'a few' inaccuracies in your post, I'm kind of doubting we are getting the full story… Did the ORC 57 hit something perhaps…

[@LoanwordEggcorn]

@@angela1984a HH44 is about 1.5M. This boat looks like a 3.5 Million.

[@gatecrasher1970]

30k subs and no comments means you paid for your subs naughty boy , btw that cat be totally useless in colder weather the hull too thin

[@UncleJoeLITE]

No, we came from Lady K mate. We've known Tim.for years. In summary, you're wrong. Cheers. 🇦🇺 ⚓

[@angela1984a]

No comments?… It's been ~12 hours since the video was posted and there's already at least 23 comments…

[@AdeboFunkyVoodoo]

It's a custom boat. Built for the specific needs and requirements of the owner. Your opinion on the practical uses of the yacht are pointless. It wasn't designed or built for you or your needs. It's like complaining that a table makes a poor pair of shoes. Correct, because it's not meant to be a pair of shoes.